Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-05-25

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 25 Maioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. K. Karamanlhs qa milhsei ayrio, stis 19.30, sth Genikh Syneleysh toy Syndesmoy Ellhnwn Biomhxanwn, sto Megaro Moysikhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SARANTAKOS: Qelete na dieykrinisete ayto to opoio eipe xqes o stenos synergaths toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o kaqhghths k. Makrydhmhtrhs gia ``tsarlatanoys'', oi opoioi paizoyn me to eyrwpaiko Syntagma, poioys ennooyse kai an eprokeito gia mia politikh dhlwsh poy en pash periptwsei qigei kapoia melh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, gia to an to eipe kai pws to eipe, parakalw na rwthsete ton idio. Se o,ti afora sthn oysia ths ypoqeshs: O k. Makrydhmhtrhs, opws kai alloi episthmones, phre meros se mia hmerida toy Eqnikoy Kentroy Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Qelw na sas qymisw oti h basikh arxh ths politikhs ayths ths kybernhshs einai h aplopoihsh twn nomwn. Dhladh, h dhmioyrgia nomwn, opoy einai aparaithtoi me diadikasies antigrafeiokratikes poy qa bohqoyn anti na dhmioyrgoyn problhmata sthn oikonomia. H ekdhlwsh ayth den einai h monh poy ginetai. Exoyn ginei antistoixes ekdhlwseis opoy symmetexoyn kai empeirognwmones apo to ejwteriko. H katapolemhsh ths grafeiokratias, oi aploysteroi kai kalyteroi nomoi, h ejetash prolhptika kaqe shmeioy enos ekastoy nomoy etsi wste na mh dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata sthn oikonomia, einai ta basika stoixeia gia ta opoia enhmerwnontai oi anwteroi dhmosioi ypallhloi poy metexoyn se aytes tis hmerides.

SARANTAKOS: An moy epitrepete, o k. Makrydhmhtrhs -fantazomai oti qa symfwnhsete mazi moy pws exei politikh qesh, einai symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy- eipe kai kati allo: Oti qa prepei ta nomosxedia ths kybernhshs na phgainoyn prwta sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ``gia na mhn trexoyme meta'', opws eipe xarakthristika. Ayth einai h taktikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh se o,ti afora ta nomosxedia poy exoyn mia sxesh me to eyrwpaiko Dikaio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti gia to ti akribws exei pei o k. Makrydhmhtrhs -epeidh exoyn grafei diaforetika pragmata kai oi proseggiseis, apo o,ti eida, einai diaforetikes apo efhmerida se efhmerida- qa hqela na rwthsete ton idion. Egw exw apanthsei sto qema.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos mporei ayrio me perhfania mprosta sth Genikh Syneleysh toy SEB na pei oti exei ekplhrwsei oles tis yposxeseis poy eixe dwsei sthn persinh Genikh Syneleysh stoys biomhxanoys kai den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti qa thrhsei kai tis yposxeseis poy qa dwsei ayrio. Antiqeta, oi yposxeseis poy eixe dwsei pros toys ergazomenoys, toys misqwtoys kai toys syntajioyxoys exoyn parapemfqei sto telos ths tetraetias. An ayto den einai o orismos mias kybernhshs poy einai pros ofelos twn biomhxanwn kai twn ploysiwn, tote ti einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den symfwnw mazi sas kai den exw symfwnhsei kai alles fores se antistoixes proseggiseis poy exete kanei me erwthseis sas. H kybernhsh ayto poy frontizei panw apo ola einai na ryqmizei ta problhmata ths oikonomias, ta opoia afhse h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, me kyriarxo aytwn to elleimma, poy oytws h allws meiwnetai. Ekeino poy frontizei na kanei, epishs, h kybernhsh einai na ayjhsei toys ryqmoys anaptyjhs. Kai oi ryqmoi anaptyjhs exoyn hdh ayjhqei kata poly, xwris malista na exoyme olympiaka erga, opws yphrxan ta prohgoymena xronia. Epishs, h kybernhsh, se o,ti afora stoys syntajioyxoys stoys opoioys anaferqhkate, exei hdh proxwrhsei se ryqmiseis -sas qymizw to LAFKA gia to opoio allwste egine poly syzhthsh- poy bohqoyn sthn enisxysh twn syntajewn. Kinhseis poy ginontai sto plaisio mias politikhs h opoia exei na antimetwpisei ta megala problhmata ths oikonomias. Kai ta antimetwpizei epityxws, mexri stigmhs. Ews to telos ths tetraetias, oi desmeyseis mas qa exoyn ginei prajh se o,ti afora to synolo twn ergazomenwn. Allwste, qelw na sas qymisw -epeidh kaname mia antistoixh syzhthsh pro kairoy se aythn edw thn aiqoysa- oti ayto poy eseis tote me erwthsh sas ennooysate ws ``megaloys epixeirhmaties'', anaferotan se ena poly megalo baqmo se mikromesaioys epixeirhmaties, se dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias. Gnwrizete oti h enisxysh twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn kai me tis forologikes elafrynseis enisxyei th dynamikh gia na ayjhqoyn oi qeseis ergasias. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti yparxoyn nea programmata kai apo ton OAED -molis prin apo 15 hmeres sas anakoinwsa ena apo ayta- gia thn eleysh newn se programmata poy qa bohqhsoyn na jekinhsoyn mia zwh me poly kalyteres proypoqeseis.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yioqetei h kybernhsh ton oro ``tsarlatanismo'', se sxesh me tis diafores poy mporei na exei ena egxwrio nomosxedio me to eyrwpaiko dikaio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

SPYRAKH: Den apanthsate epi toy oroy@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

PAPAXRHSTOY: Sxetika me thn eqeloysia ston OTE kai sto Asfalistiko twn Trapezwn, h kybernhsh pisteyei oti exei ejantlhsei ta periqwria dialogoy me toys syndikalistikoys foreis gia na proxwrhsei h nomoqetikh ryqmish;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O dialogos, opws gnwrizete, einai to yp` ariqmon ena systatiko stoixeio ths politikhs mas. O dialogos synexizetai, apo o,ti gnwrizw. Se o,ti afora ston OTE, parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston OTE. Exoyn hdh ginei anakoinwseis apo thn pleyra toy Proedroy toy Organismoy. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, kai gia to Asfalistiko zhthma twn Trapezwn synexizetai o dialogos poy exei arxisei.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kai shmera gia mia akomh hmera, akoygontas kaneis radiofwnikoys staqmoys, diabazontas efhmerides, blepontas thleorash, miloyn gia anasxhmatismo, gia allages poy etoimazei o Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Karamanlhs. Janarwtw: Yparxoyn allages sthn kybernhsh, yparxei anasxhmatismos; Qelw th dikh sas ektimhsh, apo poy jekinoyn ola ayta ta dhmosieymata kai oi ekpompes poy kinoyntai se ayto to mhkos kymatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto deytero erwthma sas prepei na apanthsoyn oi idioi oi dhmosiografoi kai ta Mesa poy anakyklwnoyn kapoies tetoies fhmes, giati den einai plhrofories. Sto prwto erwthma apanthsa xqes, monolektika: Oxi. To epanalambanw kai shmera.

KORAH: Einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs, amesa, na prowqhsei thn tropologia gia ton OTE; Ayto den afora mono ton k. Boyrloymh, afora kat` ejoxhn thn kybernhsh, to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan h kybernhsh qa exei na kanei kati sxetiko me ayto poy anaferate, qa to anakoinwsei.

KORAH: Allazei kati sthn olh strathgikh ths kybernhshs, dhladh, proxqes eidame enan ``prwino kafe'' me kapoioys stenoys synergates, apo palia, toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ton k. Soyflia, ton k. Sioyfa, ton k. Alogoskoyfh ki esas bebaiws, na syzhtate ta qemata ths oikonomias, para to gegonos oti eidika eseis, as poyme, den emplekeste h akomh den emplekotan oyte kan o k. Soyflias sta sygkekrimena qemata poy syzhthqhkan. Allazei, loipon, kati sthn olh strathgikh ths kybernhshs; Tetoies omades qa prowqhqoyn kai gia alla qemata kai gia alloys basikoys tomeis ths politikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H xqesinh syskech kai oxi o proxqesinos ``prwinos kafes'' opws eipate, htan mia syskech poy aforoyse thn proetoimasia ths omilias toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn ayrianh Genikh Syneleysh toy SEB. Einai safes oti h omilia exei oikonomikoys ajones, ej oy kai h paroysia toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Exei, epishs, anaptyjiakoys ajones, ej oy kai h paroysia toy k. Sioyfa, kaqws kai qemata poy aptontai toy ypoyrgeioy PEXWDE gia megala erga. Se o,ti afora sth dikh moy paroysia, anantirrhtws nomizw, qa moy anagnwrisete oti mporw na metexw se mia syskech poy afora dhmosia omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Den eixe ajones poy na aforoyn th Dhmosia Dioikhsh kai thn epanidrysh toy kratoys, h synolikh omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn oikonomia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa toys basikoys ajones stoys opoioys qa kinhqei h omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Apo ekei kai pera, antilambaneste oti se mia omilia -kai malista se mia omilia tetoias barythtas- qa anaferqei kai se polla alla qemata. Oi kentrikoi ajones, loipon, eprepe na anaptyxqoyn se mia syskech. Proetoimasia htan, mh dinete megalyterh shmasia se ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eyqeia h erwthsh moy: Exei peripesei se dysmeneia, sth dysmeneia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Sthn perysinh omilia toy sto SEB o Prwqypoyrgos eixe dwsei sygxarhthria sto SEB kai sth GSEE gia th syllogikh symbash poy eixan ypogracei perysi kai parallhla eixe egkwmiasei th synainesh metajy twn koinwnikwn etairwn. Twra diafainetai ena telos se ayth thn koinwnikh synainesh me aformh to asfalistiko twn Trapezwn kai tis ergasiakes sxeseis. Einai alhqeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to Asfalistiko twn Trapezwn exw hdh apanthsei. H kybernhsh exei jekinhsei dialogo o opoios synexizetai. Otan oloklhrwqei qa eimai se qesh na kanw safeis anakoinwseis. Sigoyra, omws, qa kanoyn anakoinwseis oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi.

KAKALHS: Gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis, qa einai casus belli h elastikopoihsh toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den leitoyrgei me th logikh casus belli. H kybernhsh kyberna kai ofeilei na labei ekeina ta metra, ta opoia qa sthrijoyn toys ergazomenoys se baqos xronoy. Qa sthrijoyn toys syntajioyxoys se baqos xronoy. Ta problhmata den aforoyn mono to shmera. Ta problhmata, ean den lyqoyn shmera, qa yparxoyn ayrio kai meqayrio. Mia kybernhsh ofeilei na lambanei metra, etsi wste na mhn dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata gia to mellon.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh o k. Paylopoylos ejakoloyqei na einai typika, toylaxiston, prwtos th tajei Ypoyrgos, qa perimene kaneis na symmetexei se mia shmantikh syskech.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa hdh.

TAKHS: Epeidh siga-siga qa kleisei kai h Boylh, oson afora thn Olomeleia, kai qa jekinhsoyn se ligo kairo ta qerina Tmhmata, kapoies nomoqetikes prwtoboylies poy ekkremoyn, exei programmatisei o Prwqypoyrgos na tis energopoihsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi nomoqetikes prwtoboylies poy lambanontai apo thn kybernhsh akoloyqoyn mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia. Syzhtoyntai sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, anakoinwnontai apo toys Ypoyrgoys kai, en synexeia, katatiqentai san nomosxedia sth Boylh.

SARANTAKOS: Yphrje, opws grafetai shmera se orismenes efhmerides meta to telos ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Paylopoylo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei mia safhs kinhsh apo thn pleyra toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, poy kalei ton prwhn Ierosolymwn k. Eirhnaio, na paraithqei amesa apo to qrono. Hqela, ean exete na moy peite, ti prokeitai na prajei h ellhnikh kybernhsh mprosta sthn arnhsh toy Ierosolymwn, na egkataleicei to qrono;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H dhlwsh toy Yfypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, apotelei kybernhtikh dhlwsh. Menw se aythn.

POYLIDOY: Thn Kyriakh einai to dhmochfisma sth Gallia gia to Eyrwsyntagma. Sthn periptwsh poy h chfos einai oxi diabazw oti oi xwres oi opoies exoyn hdh epikyrwsei to Eyrwsyntagma ejetazoyn to endexomeno na to efarmosoyn, toylaxiston metajy toys. Yparxei tetoia synergasia ths Elladas me tis alles xwres gi aythn thn prooptikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Mporw na enhmerwqw kai na sas apanthsw.

TAKHS: To ``oxi'' poy apanthsate ston k. Palaiologo htan poly jero. Mhpws antikatoptrizei, mias kai eiste poly stenos synergaths toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kai mia enoxlhsh toy k. Karamanlh, gia thn olh eikona poy paroysiazei aytes tis hmeres to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn kai o proistamenos toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn aplothta mporei na brei kaneis safeis apanthseis. Egw edwsa apanthsh, den ermhneysa. O k. Palaiologos eipe oti qa moy kanei mia eyqeia erwthsh kai fantazomai oti perimene mia eyqeia apanthsh. Aythn elabe.

Sas eyxaristw.

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