Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-05-17

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 17 Maioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Karamanlhs qa parastei kai qa milhsei shmera Trith, stis 18:30, sthn eidikh panhgyrikh synedriash ths Boylhs gia th symplhrwsh 60 xronwn apo to telos toy B@ Pagkosmioy Polemoy.

Ayrio, Tetarth, 18 Maioy, stis 09:30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Petro Molybiath kai ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas k. Sphlio Sphliwtopoylo. Stis 11:00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa parastei sthn ekdhlwsh poy ginetai sto Zappeio gia th symplhrwsh 100 xronwn apo thn enarjh leitoyrgias toy Aqhnaikoy Praktoreioy Eidhsewn. Stis 18:00, qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me thn Antiproedro ths Laikhs Dhmokratias ths Kinas kyria Tsen Zili. Telos, stis 18:30 qa parastei se ekdhlwsh poy diorganwnei to Idryma Karamanlh sto Zappeio me qema th symplhrwsh 30 etwn apo thn apokatastash ths Dhmokratias sthn Ellada, thn Ispania kai thn Portogalia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Mias kai mas eipate gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o kyrios Prwqypoyrgos diabase th xqesinh omilia ths k. Mpakogiannh sto Bellideio; Poia einai h antidrash toy;

ANTWNAROS: Den ton rwthsa kai ws ek toytoy den exw tipote na sas pw ep` aytoy.

BLAXOS: Den eixate aporia na deite thn antidrash toy k. Karamanlh se ayta poy eipe h k. Mpakogiannh; H apajieite na diabasete ta osa eipe h k. Mpakogiannh;

ANTWNAROS: Katalhgete se dika sas symperasmata. Den eipa kati tetoio. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio, ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos, gia thn omilia ths k. Mpakogiannh.

BLAXOS: H epishmansh moy einai se ayto poy eipate oti den rwthsate ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ara den dinete kamia shmasia. Ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo sto qema.

SIDERHS: Poio einai to ideologiko stigma ths kybernhshs; Qelw na pw oti to Andreiko PASOK eixe to sosialismo, to Shmitiko ton eksygxronismo, h palia Nea Dhmokratia toy palioy Karamanlh to rizospastiko fileleyqerismo. Eseis se poion -ismo entasseste;

ANTWNAROS: Eiste epimelhs dhmosiografos kai gnwrizw oti diabazete me megalh prosoxh ola ta shmantika keimena. Gi` ayto to logo den exw kamia amfibolia oti exete diabasei me th deoysa kai proshkoysa prosoxh tis omilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy alla kai alla keimena apo thn periodo akomh poy h Nea Dhmokratia htan sthn antipoliteysh. H Nea Dhmokratia exei dwsei me megalh safhneia to diko ths stigma.

SIDERHS: Epeidh aytoi poy exoyn jeperasei toys -ismoys legontai metamonternoi, na ypoqesoyme oti h Nea Dhmokratia einai ena metamonterno komma;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio stoys syneirmoys poy kanete. Isws kai na mhn toys antilambanomai plhrws.

GKOYTZANHS: An den apanthsei h kybernhsh qa mas meinei h entypwsh oti h kybernhsh den anazhta politikh taytothta, mallon den exei politikh taytothta, oti den leei thn alhqeia ston ellhniko lao, oti pataei se dyo barkes, oti h politikh ths den exei taytothta kai synoxh.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai qelete na peite.

GKOYTZANHS: Oti ayta einai ekeina ta opoia elege h k. Mpakogiannh gia thn kybernhsh. An h kybernhsh den apanthsei se ayta, qa qewrhsoyme oti ta apodexetai.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporeite na moy qesete ena tetoio lektiko ekbiastiko dilhmma, wste na me ypoxrewsete me emmeso tropo na kanw kapoio sxolio. Sas eipa oti den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia thn omilia ths k. Mpakogiannh. Kaqe stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias exei thn eleyqeria na ekfrazei tis apoceis toy. Sas to eipa kai xqes kai ejakoloyqei na isxyei kai shmera.

XIWTHS: Efoson den kanate sxolio kyrie Ekproswpe, ypoqetoyme oti oi diapistwseis ths ginontai apodektes, ginontai sebastes apo thn kybernhsh. Ki egw qa hqela na sas qesw mia allh poy leei oti h kybernhsh pataei mia sth mia barka, mia sthn allh kai kindyneyei na pesei sto nero. Toylaxiston peite mas se poia barka patate h an briskeste hdh sto nero.

ANTWNAROS: Oses fores kai an prospaqhsete dia ths plagias odoy h me alles prospaqeies, den qa sxoliasw thn omilia enos probeblhmenoy stelexoys ths Neas Dhmokratias. Den synhqizoyme na to kanoyme kai den briskw to logo giati prepei na to kanoyme shmera.

BLAXOS: Toylaxiston mporeite na mas peite an h kybernhsh jerei mpanio h an exei swsibio gia na swqei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den einai fysiko proswpo gia na jerei mpanio. H kybernhsh apoteleitai apo memonwmena atoma. Prepei na toys rwthsete loipon enan- enan.

BLAXOS: O forotexnikos moy, moy eipe na sas rwthsw ti prepei na kanei: na dhlwsei ton hmiypaiqrio xwro h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Oloi oi Ellhnes polites exoyn thn ypoxrewsh na dhlwsoyn epakribws thn akinhth perioysia poy diaqetoyn.

XIWTHS: Th nomimh perioysia h thn paranomh;

ANTWNAROS: To E9 einai ena entypo poy exei ws skopo na katagracei thn akinhth perioysia poy yparxei sth xwra.

GKOYTZANHS: Emena pantws o forotexnikos moy, moy eipe na mhn ta dhlwsw gia na mhn ta plhrwsw.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ti sas eipe o forotexnikos sas. Me rwthsate kai xqes kai ap` oti antilambanomai twra eixate katafygei hdh sto forotexniko sas. Eidate; Eixate hdh akoloyqhsei th symboylh poy sas edwsa.

TSIODRAS: Ean kapoios exei hmiypaiqrio xwro kai ton dhlwnei, shmainei oti me thn plhrwmh kapoiwn forwn ayto nomimopoieitai h plhrwnei foroys xwris na nomimopoihqei; Ti ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: To E9 einai forologiko entypo poy exei ws skopo thn katagrafh ths akinhths perioysias poy yparxei sth xwra. H symplhrwsh toy E9 gia deyterh fora mesa se liga xronia egine aparaithth gia ena logo poy oloi gnwrizete. Eixe zhthqei apo toys Ellhnes polites apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh na symplhrwsoyn to E9. Ekanan ayth thn ergasia, symplhrwsan ayta ta entypa kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh den ekane ayto poy eprepe na eixe kanei apo thn pleyra ths. Dhladh na proxwrhsei se mhxanografikh epejergasia twn stoixeiwn poy periexontan se ayta ta entypa, ta opoia katelhjan se kapoies apoqhkes. Den einai dynaton se mia sygxronh xwra na mhn yparxei katagegrammenh h akinhth perioysia h opoia yparxei. Kai epanalambanw oti oi polites exoyn thn ypoxrewsh na dhlwsoyn epakribws thn akinhth perioysia thn opoia diaqetoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Edw yparxei omws ena zhthma gia ton kaqe polith o opoios kaleitai na ypobalei kai na dhlwsei thn akinhth perioysia toy. To erwthma einai: Apo th stigmh poy qa klhqei na plhrwsei foroys twra, dhlwnei thn akinhth perioysia toy kai toys hmiypaiqrioys xwroys kai forologeitai me bash ayta poy dhlwnei. Ayto shmainei oti apokleiei to endexomeno thn epomenh h tis epomenes xronies otan qa prepei na nomimopoihqei to opoio paranomo ktisma na janaplhrwsei kai deyterh fora foroys;

ANTWNAROS: To E9, sas epanalambanw, einai ena entypo toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn pros forologikh xrhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Basei toy opoioy forologei omws h kybernhsh. Qa forologhqei mia efapaj h qa yparjei forologhsh sto dihnekes;

ANTWNAROS: Kai xqes kai shmera ginetai anafora sthn aiqoysa ayth gia toys hmiypaiqrioys xwroys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia ola ta paranoma ktismata. Na mh meinw mono stoys hmiypaiqrioys xwroys.

ANTWNAROS: Gia toys hmiypaiqrioys moy apeyqynate molis diafores erwthseis. Oi Ellhnes polites, sas epanalambanw kai den exw na prosqesw tipote allo panw se ayto, exoyn thn ypoxrewsh na dhlwnoyn epakribws thn akinhth perioysia toys.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws gia na forologhqoyn, etsi;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn ypoxrewsh, sto sygkekrimeno eggrafo, prokeimenoy na ginei h katagrafh ths akinhths perioysias, thn opoia pareleice na kanei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Einai dynaton se mia xwra na mhn yparxei katagegrammenh h akinhth perioysia;

GKOYTZANHS: Kata th apoch moy oxi. Alla ayto ginetai gia na forologhqoyn, kai malista na forologhqoyn anadromika, apo tote poy xtisthke kai den to dhlwnoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Lypamai poy to epanalambanw: Aytes einai dikes sas ayqairetes ermhneies. Kati tetoio den prokyptei apo poyqena.

GKOYTZANHS: O forotexnikos moy moy to eipe kai sas milaw eilikrina, den asteieyomai.

ANTWNAROS: Efoson exete toso kalh sxesh me ton forotexniko sas, o opoios profanws apolambanei ths empistosynhs sas, den antilambanomai giati kanete erwthseis se emena.

SPYRAKH: Enas Ellhnas poliths diaqetei enan hmiypaiqrio xwro kai ton dhlwnei sthn eforia, sto E9. Ayrio apofasizei na metabibasei to ktisma, to opoio exei kai etsi o agorasths plhrwnei foro metabibashs kai gia ton hmiypaiqrio xwro. Efoson exei plhrwsei foro metabibashs kai exei sta xeria toy to foro metabibashs o neos katoxos, otan qa erqei h Poleodomia mporei na efarmosei ton isxyonta nomo, dhladh, apo prostimo, mexri katedafish gia toys hmiypaiqrioys;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw oti to E9 einai ena forologiko entypo toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn kai den exei sxesh me thn Poleodomia. To eipa me apolyth safhneia.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite poy epimenw, alla sas ejhghsa oti otan dhlwneis kati sthn Eforia, ws oikhma kai meta to metabibazeis, o agorasths plhrwnei foro metabibashs. Qelw, loipon, na rwthsw ean o agorasths poy pairnei kai ton hmiypaiqrio ypokeitai sthn yparxoysa nomoqesia ths Poleodomias h yparxei skech gia allh diatajh.

ANTWNAROS: Einai eidiko forologiko qema gia to opoio parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn.

SIDERHS: H Ekqesh toy KEPE qa apotelesei shmatwro gia thn politikh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Gia thn Ekqesh toy KEPE kai gia ta qemata antagwnistikothtas topoqethqhke leptomereiaka o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfas, sth synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse. Den exw na prosqesw tipota allo se osa eipe me safhneia o k. Sioyfas.

SIDERHS: Kondylio gia tis alysides brhkate;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas.

SIDERHS: Gia tis alysides me tis opoies qa desete toys ergazomenoys.

ANTWNAROS: Eyfyologhmata aytoy toy typoy mporoyn na diatypwqoyn para polla se ayth thn aiqoysa. Den nomizw, omws, oti exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

PALAIOLOGOS: To gegonos oti nomimopoihse thn Ekqesh toy KEPE me thn paroysia toy o idios o armodios Ypoyrgos o k. Sioyfas, ayto de shmainei oti symmerizetai, ws enan baqmo kai thn neofileleyqerh kateyqynsh twn eklogwn poy protassei h Ekqesh;

ANTWNAROS: Shmainoyn ola osa eipe diejodika o k. Sioyfas.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw arxika ean exei aposafhnistei, giati yparxei h diaskech twn Proedrwn, ean qa ginei ayrio h thn Pempth to prwi kai ean gnwrizete poia einai telika h qesh ths kybernhshs, ti qa eishghqei gia to epidoma twn boyleytwn. Kai deyteron, ean exete kati na sxoliasete me bash to gegonos oti to kanali ths Boylhs edeije mia tainia me poly tolmhres skhnes, sthn opoia -anejarthta apo to an h Boylh leei oti den htan tainia pornografikoy periexomenoy- den yphrxe to sxetiko shma poy epiballetai se ola ta thleoptika kanalia se analogoy periexomenoy skhnes, na paroysiazoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora to prwto qema, qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw. Sto deytero qema, gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno peristatiko apo ta dhmosieymata, alla den exw gnwsh olwn twn leptomereiwn. Einai ena qema, gia to opoio exei thn eyqynh h idia h Boylh. H Boylh exei thn eyqynh gia to Kanali ths Boylhs.

IWANNOY: Xqes sas rwthsa gia to qema ths shmanshs, ean qa prepei na einai prosektiko kai to kanali ths Boylhs, dioti epiballetai se ola ta kanalia na ginetai.

ANTWNAROS: H en logw shmansh einai mia ypoxrewsh poy exoyn ola ta kanalia. Den mporw na topoqethqw gia kati poy den gnwrizw se oles toy tis leptomereies. Alla an ta pragmatika peristatika einai opws moy ta metaferete ki an den yphrxe h sxetikh shmansh, tote prokeitai gia mia paradromh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa yparjoyn kyrwseis apo th stigmh poy diapistwnetai to gegonos;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrwseis apo poion;

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo ton ypeyqyno. Poios einai o ypeyqynos gia to qema ths probolhs tainiwn apo ta kanalia; O dieyqynths toy kanalioy;

ANTWNAROS: Gia na epiballei kyrwseis kapoios prepei na einai ypeyqynos. Mporeite na moy peite poios epiballei en prokeimenw tis kyrwseis;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto rwtw ki egw. Ayth einai h aporia moy. Qa tis epiballei h k. Mpenakh, o k. Alabanos, o dieyqynths toy kanalioy;

GKOYTZANHS: To ESR epiballei tis kyrwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Moy zhtate, loipon, na pw ti qa kanei endexomenws mia anejarthth Arxh, opws einai to ESR;

PALAIOLOGOS: Den milaw gia tis eyqynes se o,ti afora to ESR. Milaw dioikhtika.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sth Boylh.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws katelhje h kybernhsh gia to ti periexomeno qa exei h tropologia poy qa kataqesei sth Boylh gia to basiko metoxo; Giati, proxqes, mas legate oti den einai qema, qa aposyrqei@

ANTWNAROS: Xqes, sas eipa oti to periexomeno ths epistolhs toy k. Saoymp einai antikeimeno meleths kai epejergasias. H meleth kai h epejergasia ayth synexizontai. Kai opws sas eipa h tropologia qa katateqei sth Boylh pros chfish mesa stis problepomenes kai sympefwnhmenes proqesmies.

XIWTHS: Den exete kati neotero na mas peite;

ANTWNAROS: Tipote neotero.

IWANNOY: Sxetika me to LAFKA: Epeidh yphrje xqes ayth h apofash, shmera yparxoyn dhmosies dhlwseis kapoiwn boyleytwn, kyriws toy PASOK, poy lene oti qa anagkasqei pleon h kybernhsh na plhrwsei anadromika gia ejaetia kai oxi gia trietia h pentaetia. Th symmerizeste ayth thn anhsyxia;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh me dikh ths prwtoboylia edwse egkaira politikh lysh sto qema twn anadromikwn toy LAFKA. Sas ypenqymizw oti stis 4 Martioy o Prwqypoyrgos, me dhlwsh toy, eqese to plaisio mesa sto opoio qa ginoyn oi kataboles toy posoy twn anadromikwn toy LAFKA stoys dikaioyxoys syntajioyxoys. To plaisio ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei sto akeraio.

BLAXOS: Na mas ejhghsete ti shmainei ayto, giati edw yparxei mia allh apofash poy leei ejaetia. Eseis eixate pei alla.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn ayta ta opoia exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos. H katabolh twn anadromikwn qa ginei se pente ejamhniaies doseis, h prwth twn opoiwn qa doqei sto telos toy a@ ejamhnoy toy 2006. Ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei. Kai analoga me thn kathgoria sthn opoia anhkoyn oi syntajioyxoi, qa eisprajoyn ta xrhmata poy dikaioyntai.

BLAXOS: Ayto shmainei, omws, oti o sygkekrimenos syntajioyxos, afoy dikaiwqhke apo to sygkekrimeno dikasthrio qa parei ejaetia.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na krinw kamia apofash dikasthrioy, oyte fysika na ypeiselqw stis leptomereies ths. Prin ekdoqei opoiadhpote apofash dikasthrioy, h kybernhsh topoqethqhke politika sto qema kai edwse synolikh lysh. Ayto einai ekeino to opoio metraei kai desmeyei thn kybernhsh apenanti se oloys toys syntajioyxoys kai ston ellhniko lao.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den prepei na labei ypoch ths th dikastikh apofash h toylaxiston na th melethsei, opws meletate kai tis alles;

ANTWNAROS: H nomoqetikh ryqmish, poy qa ginei lian prosexws, qa kinhqei sto plaisio ths desmeyshs poy exei analabei o Prwqypoyrgos.@

IWANNOY: To ``lian prosexws'' mporeite na mas to dieykrinisete; Dhladh, entos ths ebdomados;

ANTWNAROS: Ean enqymoymai kala sas eixa pei palaiotera entos toy Ioynioy to argotero. Ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws maqate to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA;

ANTWNAROS: Endexomenws na enhmerwqeite ayrio gia to programma.

SARANTAKOS: Xqes, thn wra poy eseis edw mas legate oti apotelei antikeimeno epejergasias apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn to keimeno toy Anwtatoy Eidikoy Dikasthrioy@

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa epejergasias kai meleths.

SARANTAKOS: Akribws. Thn wra poy ta legate eseis ayta edw o yfypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Nakos se radiofwnikes synenteyjeis toy elege oti h kybernhsh prepei na sebastei tis apofaseis kai me egkyklio qa ermhneyei to neo eklogiko nomo. Hqela na rwthsw ti apo ta dyo isxyei telika; To meletate, exete hdh apofasisei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh to meleta kai qa topoqethqei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prosfata to kratiko kanali kalyce tis episkeceis ths k. Karamanlh se Kentra Ygeias sthn Argolida. Mporeite na moy peite an ekane ayth thn epilogh me bash thn idiothta ths k. Karamanlh ws syzygos toy Prwqypoyrgoy h ws agrotikhs iatroy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy th dhmosiografikh kalych h opoia isxyrizeste oti egine.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den exete ypoch sas ti ekane to kratiko kanali gia th syzygo toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den parakoloyqw ola ta kanalia anellipws. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sthn ERT.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Parakoloyqeite ta idiwtika kai oxi to kratiko, k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Den parakoloyqw oles tis ekpompes olwn twn kanaliwn. Sas apanthsa. Den exw tipote allo na pw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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