Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-05-16

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 16 Maioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio Trith, 17 Maioy, stis 11:00 qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa parastei ayrio, stis 18:30, sthn panhgyrikh synedriash ths Boylhs, me thn eykairia ths symplhrwshs 60 etwn apo th lhjh toy B@ Pagkosmioy Polemoy.

Oi synadelfoi sas poy briskontai me ton Prwqypoyrgo sth Barsobia, qa exoyn enhmerwsh apo to dieyqynth toy Grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Giannh Andriano. Egw aplws qa sas pw oti o Prwqypoyrgos brisketai apo xqes to brady sthn prwteyoysa ths Polwnias, prokeimenoy na metasxei sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs, opoy qa milhsei shmera to apogeyma stis 16:00. Shmera to prwi eixe dyo synanthseis me ton Proedro ths Oykranias kai ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Slobenias. Ayth th stigmh synantatai me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Portogalias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhtikh Epitroph ti qa syzhthsei ayrio;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas enhmerwsw argotera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei qema gia ton eklogiko nomo kai prokeitai na allajei; Milaw gia ta leyka.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. H kybernhsh meleta, ayth th stigmh, thn apofash toy Eklogodikeioy. To zhthma den epeigei, dioti den yparxei qema eklogwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To syzhtaei pantws h kybernhsh ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h kybernhsh meleta thn apofash toy Eklogodikeioy.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me olo to qorybo poy dhmioyrghqhke thn perasmenh ebdomada me to epidoma twn boyleytwn poy apofasisthke sth diaskech twn proedrwn kai sth synexeia, ap` o,ti katalaba, anaklhqhke, den exw katalabei poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs sxetika me ayto to zhthma ayto; Deyteron, ean qewrei h kybernhsh oti h Proedros ths Boylhs k. Mpenakh to xeiristhke swsta;

ANTWNAROS: H k. Mpenakh xeiristhke to qema me acogo tropo, opws gnwrizoyn allwste ola ta kommata sth Boylh. Isxyrismoi peri toy antiqetoy, den exoyn kamia apolytws bash. Einai apokyhmata fantasias. Sthn oysia toy qematos poy me rwthsate: Opws gnwrizete o Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse amesws me thn k. Mpenakh kai ths ejefrase thn apoch oti to sygkekrimeno antikeimeno qa eprepe na epanejetasqei. H k. Mpenakh anelabe th sxetikh prwtoboylia, kalese ton k. Dhmhtrh Reppa ws ekproswpo toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, synergasthke me ton idio tropo kai me toys ekproswpoys twn allwn dyo kommatwn poy ekproswpoyntai sth Boylh. Katopin, kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs thn perasmenh Paraskeyh, ekane tis sxetikes anakoinwseis. To qema exei ejantlhqei.

XIWTHS: To ena skelos to kalycate. To deytero skelos einai, poia einai h apoch ths kybernhshs, pws h kybernhsh meleta ayto to zhthma to opoio exei prokycei profanws apo th diatajh peri asymbibastoy twn boyleytwn kai exoyme, ap` o,ti katalaba gia na to apofasisei h diaskech twn Proedrwn kai malista omofwna, oi koinoboyleytikes omades kat` arxhn to eidan qetika. H kybernhsh h den rwthqhke h kai h kybernhsh to eide qetika kat` arxhn. Twra loipon, aporriptetai apo thn kybernhsh to zhthma na doqei kapoio epidoma stoys boyleytes h kata proektash kai kapoia asfalistika pronomia poy blepw shmera ston Typo;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh katesthse me thn topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apolytws safh th qesh ths.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, afoy dhmioyrghqhke o salos sthn koinh gnwmh, topoqethqhke. Emeis rwtame, prin ginei o salos, h kybernhsh htan yper; O Prwqypoyrgos dhladh eixe dwsei to prasino fws kai jekinhse ayth h istoria kai elhfqh omofwnws h apofash. Ypo thn piesh ths katakrayghs toy kosmoy egine h anadiplwsh. Etsi den einai; Ayto den mas lete;

ANTWNAROS: To qema qa syzhthqei sth Boylh, poy einai o fysikos xwros opoy syzhtoyntai qemata poy aforoyn toys boyleytes. H eyaisqhsia thn opoia epedeijan kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh einai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti h k. Mpenakh xeiristhke to qema me acogo tropo. Fantazomai oti kalyptete thn Proedro ths Boylhs kai stis aixmes poy ejapelyse enantion toy prwhn Proedroy ths Dhmokratias k. Stefanopoyloy, o opoios antedrase gia to qema ayto h diafwneite me tis epishmanseis poy diabasame shmera ston Typo, ths k. Mpenakh oti o k. Stefanopoylos den ta elege, osa eipe, tosa xronia;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw dhlwseis ths Proedroy ths Boylhs.

SARANTAKOS: Wstoso, symmerizeste tis anhsyxies toy prwhn Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, fantazomai.

ANTWNAROS: Oyte dhlwseis toy prwhn Proedroy ths Dhmokratias prokeitai na sxoliasw. Sas eipa oti h k. Mpenakh, sta plaisia ths askhshs twn kaqhkontwn ths ws Proedros ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn, xeiristhke to en logw qema me acogo tropo.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, blepoyme apo xqes ena mparaz, qa elega, ena organwmeno mplok apo kybernhtikoys boyleytes, oi opoioi dhlwnoyn dhmosia oti pleon den qa siwpoyn otan parathroyntai laqh se xeirismoys ths kybernhshs. Kai qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, ean ayto sas anhsyxei h an epikroteite ayth thn prwtoboylia twn boyleytwn na piezoyn. Kai h deyterh erwthsh afora mia erwthsh poy kateqesan shmera epta kybernhtikoi boyleytes kai zhtoyn apo thn kybernhsh na mpei anwtato orio stis apodoxes twn dioikhtwn DEKO kai sygkekrimena na mhn yperbainei to ycos twn apodoxwn poy lambanoyn oi boyleytes. Qa hqela na moy apanthsete an prokeitai na kanei dekto ayto to aithma h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Einai dyo diaforetika qemata, ta opoia exoyn kai diaforetikh yfh. Alimono ean h kybernhsh dienoeito na empodisei toys boyleytes na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Einai sebastes oles oi apoceis. Kamia apoch poy ekfrazetai eleyqera den prokalei anhsyxia -gia na xrhsimopoihsw mia dikh sas ekfrash- sthn kybernhsh. Sto deytero erwthma sas: Einai gnwsto oti h kybernhsh endiaferetai na apotrecei opoiadhpote fainomena kakodiaxeirishs toy dhmosioy xrhmatos. Sto qema ths peristolhs twn dhmosiwn dapanwn ginetai mia systhmatikh prospaqeia sthn opoia h kybernhsh apodidei apolyth proteraiothta. Mesa se ayta ta plaisia kataballontai prospaqeies, wste ta xrhmata ta opoia dapanwntai apo ayto poy exoyme synhqisei na leme ``dhmosios tomeas'' -alla den einai se oles tis morfes toy akribws etsi, yparxoyn diabaqmiseis- na dapanwntai me periskech kai me gnwmona pantote to dhmosio symferon. Opws gnwrizete, yparxoyn sta plaisia ayta sygkekrimenes odhgies, entoles, ypodeijeis gia oysiastikh peristolh twn dhmosiwn dapanwn. H prospaqeia ayth einai synexhs. Apo thn allh pleyra, den prepei na paragnwrizei kaneis oti oi epixeirhseis poy etsi genika xarakthrizoyme eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea, einai epixeirhseis poy se polles periptwseis einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, den kinoyntai se para polles periptwseis, ean oxi se oles, se periballon monopwlioy kai prepei na antimetwpisoyn apotelesmatika ton eleyqero antagwnismo. Einai aparaithto, synepws, akribws epeidh yparxei ayto to entona antagwnistiko periballon kai plaisio, na efarmozontai kai idiwtiko-oikonomika krithria. Kai ayto kanoyn sthn prajh oi epixeirhseis, dioti mono etsi qa mporesoyn kai to meridio agoras poy eite exoyn, eite prospaqoyn na apokthsoyn, na ejasfalisoyn kai na leitoyrghsoyn me apotelesmatikothta, wste na mhn epibarynoyn pleon to dhmosio tameio, kai taytoxrona na ejasfalistei ayto poy sas eipa, h xrhsth dhladh diaxeirish toy dhmosioy xrhmatos.

IWANNOY: H apanthsh sto sygkekrimeno aithma, ean katalaba kala einai oti den protiqetai h kybernhsh na balei tetoio plafon, giati den mporei na to balei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti ayto poy xarakthrizetai genikologa ws epixeirhseis DEKO h ws epixeirhseis toy dhmosioy tomea, se polles periptwseis den antapokrinetai pleon se ayto ton xarakthrismo. Synepws, kaqe periptwsh einai jexwristh.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh endiaferetai na peristeilei ta ejoda toy dhmosioy tomea. Profanws, endiaferetai na peristeilei kai ta esoda toy dhmosioy tomea. Blepoyme oti oi elegxoi fetos, se sxesh me perysi poy htan proeklogikh periodos, olo ayto to tetramhno apo to Genarh mexri ton Aprilio, meiwqhkan kata 81,7% apo stoixeia toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias. Poios ftaiei; H anikanothta twn..

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ta sygkekrimena stoixeia. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

TSIODRAS: Qa epanelqw sto prwto qema sxetika me toys boyleytes. Ginetai mia eishghsh kai lambanetai mia omofwnh apofash sth diaskech twn Proedrwn. Ek twn ysterwn, ayth h apofash akyrwnetai. Qa hqela na jerw, ean h kybernhsh ektima oti htan laqos h sygkekrimenh apofash kai poios eixe thn patrothta ths sygkekrimenhs ideas. Poios dhladh kateqese thn protash.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na kanete to sxetiko reportaz me tis dynatothtes ereynas poy exete sth Boylh. Kat` arxas, to gegonos oti oles oi pteryges ths Boylhs ekrinan oti prepei na epanejetastei to qema, nomizw oti ta leei ola.

BLAXOS: Gia to asymbibasto, exei apoch h kybernhsh; Prepei na katarghqei;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw sxolia epi qematwn poy aptontai toy Syntagmatos.

BLAXOS: Den qelw sxolio. Th qesh ths kybernhshs qelw. Pisteyei h kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos dhladh, an htan laqos h epilogh ayth kai an prepei na allajei;

ANTWNAROS: Einai qewrhtikh ayth h topoqethsh. Den briskw kanena logo, ayth th stigmh, na topoqethqw ep` aytoy.

BLAXOS: Ma, ola qewrhtika den einai; Ola osa leme edw qewrhtika den einai; Praktikh kanoyme;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, tosh wra miloysame gia poly praktika qemata. Gia xrhmata, gia apodoxes.

BLAXOS: To asymbibasto einai to kat` ejoxhn praktiko qema gia xrhmata kai apodoxes.

ANTWNAROS: H allagh mias syntagmatikhs ryqmishs einai poly qewrhtiko qema poy anagetai allwste sto mellon.

BLAXOS: Qelw na moy peite, ean o Prwqypoyrgos qewrei oti htan laqos h epilogh toy asymbibastoy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio ep` aytoy.

SARANTAKOS: Na rwthsw kati praktiko: Ti qa synistoysate stoys polites, na dhlwnoyn sto E9 toys hmiypaiqrioys xwroys h na mhn toys dhlwnoyn; O k. Regkoyzas leei na toys dhlwnoyn alla den qa to pei, o k. Soyflias eipe oti an to dhlwnoyn qa paranomhsoyn kai h Poleodomia qa toys antimetwpisei ws parabates. Eseis ti qa systhnate;

ANTWNAROS: Einai ena poly eidiko qema.

SARANTAKOS: Afora, opws gnwrizete, ekatontades xiliades polites.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, den to amfisbhtw. Exei forotexniko xarakthra kai oxi mono. Apo thn allh pleyra, opws gnwrizete, den tiqetai ayth th stigmh qema nomimopoihshs ayqairetwn.

SIDERHS: Ayth th stigmh.

ANTWNAROS: Th stigmh poy milame. Gi `ayth th stigmh sas milw.

SIDERHS: Opote, sto mellon na elpizoyme oi ayqairetoyntes.

ANTWNAROS: Oi diatajeis se opoiondhpote tomea kai se opoiadhpote morfh ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs mas einai gia na efarmozontai kai oxi na ginontai antikeimeno parabasewn.

BLAXOS: Ara, ti kanoyn, to dhlwnoyn h oxi, kata thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Rwthste toys forotexnikoys.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, eixame kapoies dhlwseis. H mia htan apo ton koinoboyleytiko ekproswpo ths Neas Dhmokratias, o opoios eipe ``exw dwsei to aima moy gia thn paratajh, den proerxomai apo meteggrafh kai den ependysa se aythn''. Profanws, strefetai emmesws enantion synadelfwn toy poy qewrei ekeinos oti prohlqan apo meteggrafh. Kai h deyterh dhlwsh, einai apo ton k. Kaklamanh, o opoios, para tis dhmosies dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, epimenei oti xreiazetai kalyteros syntonismos kai oti prepei na oristei antiproedros me syntonistikes armodiothtes. H kybernhsh ti leei gi` aytes tis ekfraseis;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe apoch einai sebasth.

XIWTHS: Qelw na epanelqw se ayth thn apofash toy Eklogodikeioy. Apo o,ti katalabainw h kybernhsh exei dyo epiloges: @H qa efarmosei thn apofash toy Eklogodikeioy, ara qa prepei me kapoia egkyklio na anoijei ena paraqyro ston eklogiko nomo opws isxyei shmera h na mhn thn efarmosei. Nomizw oti mia kybernhsh poy exei thn eyqynh diakybernhshs ths xwras, prepei na pei me qarros to ti prepei na kanei, asxetws ean oi epomenes eqnikes ekloges typika argoyn akoma. H apofash ayth qa efarmostei stis epomenes ekloges gia olh thn epikrateia h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. H sygkekrimenh apofash einai akoma antikeimeno meleths kai epejergasias apo thn kybernhsh. Mia apofash dikasthrioy, h opoia qetei -opws to paroysiazete eseis- ena tetoio megalo qema, den einai kati to opoio meletatai kai krinetai mesa se liges hmeres.

XIWTHS: Oso ki an melethsete ayth thn apofash, h apofash ayth exei ena sygkekrimeno skeptiko kai hdh exei prokalesei metaboles sth synqesh ths eqnikhs antiproswpeias. Ara, oso kai na th meletate, sto telos prepei na apofasisete ean qa thn efarmosete h oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h meleth toy qematos den exei oloklhrwqei.

BLAXOS: Me ti stoixeia to lete ayto; Den mporei na ginei kapoio tyxaio gegonos, me apotelesma h xwra na prepei na odhghqei se ekloges; Den prepei, loipon, h kybernhsh apo twra na proetoimazetai na kleisei ta metwpa sthn periptwsh poy symbei kati;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa egw oti h kybernhsh den proetoimazetai; Antiqeta: Sas eipa oti h kybernhsh to meleta, to epejergazetai. Aplws, eseis perimenete apo emena kai apo thn kybernhsh thn opoia ekproswpw, mesa se tesseris-pente hmeres na sas poyme poio einai to apotelesma ayths ths meleths. Ektos ki an eseis gnwrizete kati gia ekloges poy egw den gnwrizw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Antapokrinetai kaqoloy sthn pragmatikothta h apoch poy diatypwnoyn boyleytes kai stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias oti ta legomena ``galazia paidia'' einai sthn pio baqia katacyjh;

ANTWNAROS: Genika kai aorista, etsi opws moy qetete to erwthma, antilambaneste oti den prokeitai na apanthsw. Ws Ellhnas poliths den diaxwrizw toys Ellhnes, oyte se galazioys, oyte se prasinoys, oyte se kitrinoys, oyte se alloys xrwmatismoys. Ola ta paidia, oloi oi Ellhnes polites, einai to idio. Otan ekdhlwnoyn to endiaferon toys gia kati poy exei sxesh me to Dhmosio, krinontai me krithrio thn ajia toys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tote, pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti polloi boyleytes, anamesa toys kai o k. Polydwras -isws me aformh tis dhlwseis toy, epanerxomai- topoqetoyn to zhthma ayto, yposthrizontas oti symmerizontai ta aithmata kai tis ajiwseis twn legomenwn ``galaziwn paidiwn'';

ANTWNAROS: Kaqenas einai eleyqeros na diatypwnei tis apoceis toy, opws ekeinos krinei.

IWANNOY: Den egkrinete thn apoch poy ekfrazei o k. Polydwras oti ta ``galazia paidia'' den einai paidia enos katwteroy qeoy kai malista oti ayth th stigmh antimetwpizontai apo toys iqynontes -xrhsimopoiw ta logia toy- kata tropo hqika kai politika aparadekto;

ANTWNAROS: Sthn Ellada epikratei isopoliteia.

XIWTHS: Thn Paraskeyh paralabate allh mia epistolh apo tis Bryjelles gia thn ypoqesh toy basikoy metoxoy, me thn opoia o armodios Genikos Dieyqynths k. Saoymp qetei ws aparaithth proypoqesh gia na jekinhsoyn oi diaboyleyseis thn anastolh isxyos kai toy 3021/2002. H kybernhsh qa anasteilei kai ayton ton nomo, gia na proxwrhsoyn aproskopta oi diaboyleyseis h epimenete sthn apoch poy eixe ekfrasei palaiotera kai o k. Roysopoylos, oti ean anastalei kai h isxys aytoy toy nomoy kaqistatai anenergo to Syntagma kai synepws den to syzhtate;

ANTWNAROS: Pragmati thn perasmenh Paraskeyh parelhfqh h apanthtikh epistolh ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs ypografomenh apo to Geniko Dieyqynth Eswterikhs Agoras kai Yphresiwn ths E.E. k. Saoymp. Gnwrizete to keimeno, sas exei allwste dianemhqei. Se aythn thn epistolh katagrafetai h desmeysh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs na proxwrhsei se anastolh, mexri ta telh Oktwbrioy, ths efarmoghs toy nomoy 3310/2005. Taytoxrona, epibebaiwnetai kai h proqesh poy exei ekfrastei kai apo tis dyo pleyres, na ginoyn epafes empeirognwmonwn, prokeimenoy na breqei ayto poy leme ``koinos topos''. Einai xarakthristiko oti sthn epistolh katagrafetai ayto poy eipate -kai to opoio emeis legame apo thn arxh- oti h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph ejefraze epifylajeis, enstaseis, antirrhseis, ws pros th symbatothta me to koinotiko dikaio toy 3021/2002 nomoy, ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs, para to gegonos oti sto nomo ayto eixan meinei arketa paraqyrakia, wste na ejyphretoyntai osoi eprepe na ejyphrethqoyn. H kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei, entos twn epomenwn hmerwn, sthn kataqesh tropologias ths opoias to periexomeno qa deite otan katateqei sth Boylh.

XIWTHS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh den exei apofasisei akoma ean qa anasteilei thn isxy kai toy isxyontos nomoy;

ANTWNAROS: H tropologia brisketai sto stadio ths epejergasias.

XIWTHS: Nai, alla einai basiko shmeio ayto, to ean qa anastalei.

ANTWNAROS: Oi tropologies dhmosiopoioyntai ama th kataqesei toys sthn Epitroph sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

XIWTHS: Pote qa thn kataqesete;

ANTWNAROS: Stis sygkekrimenes proqesmies. Ayto fainetai, allwste kai apo thn antallagh twn epistolwn.

XIWTHS: H epistolh leei, stis 19 Maioy kai, en pash periptwsei, entos toy Maioy. Isxyei stis 19 Maioy h entos;

ANTWNAROS: Aytes einai oi sygkekrimenes proqesmies. Prepei na exei chfistei mexri to telos Maioy. Den nomizw oti ekei egkeitai to problhma.

GKOYTZANHS: O k. Saoymp sthn epistolh toy leei oti qa prepei na anastalei o nomos ths Neas Dhmokratias, na mhn epanelqei se isxy o nomos toy PASOK kai na mhn yparjei efarmostikos h ektelestikos h allos nomos kat` efarmogh ths syntagmatikhs diatajhs. Bazei dhladh qema syntagmatikhs diatajhs. Nomizw oti ayth einai h diatypwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Epi lejei h diatypwsh exei ws ejhs: Kata synepeia h anastolh toy nomoy 3310/2005, h mh epanafora se isxy toy nomoy 3021/2002, kaqws kai h mh efarmogh ths sxetikhs syntagmatikhs diatajews, den mila gia ektelestiko nomo, apo oiodhpote nomoqetiko, ektelestiko h allo metro -ayto einai meta- qewroyntai anagkaies proypoqeseis ek meroys twn yphresiwn ths Epitrophs, wste na qewrhqei oti exei ginei ena prwto bhma pros th symmorfwsh me thn aitiologhmenh gnwmh. Ayto omws -opws sas exoyme pei- poy endiaferei thn kybernhsh einai: Prwton, na ejasfalistei h diafaneia kai na katapolemhqei h diaplokh kai deyteron, na perifroyrhqoyn ta eqnika symferonta. Oles oi syzhthseis poy qa kanoyme, qa ginoyn mesa se ayta ta plaisia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla den prokeitai na yparjei nomiko keno;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na apanthsw se tetoies polyplokes erwthseis, dioti gia to ti akribws einai nomiko keno oi nomomaqeis kai oi syntagmatologoi exoyn kanei para polles syzhthseis. Ayto poy mporw na sas pw einai qa yparjei pronoia, wste ola na leitoyrghsoyn omalws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo th stigmh poy den mporei na efarmostei kanenas ektelestikos nomos poy na aporreei apo th sxetikh syntagmatikh ryqmish den akyrwnetai to sygkekrimeno arqro toy Syntagmatos, sthn prajh;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw, me ena ``nai'' h me ena ``oxi'', epeidh den exw kamia eidikeysh se syntagmatika qemata. Gi ayto to qema kala qa kanete na apeyqynqeite se kapoion poy exei eidikes nomikes gnwseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: O k. Paylopoylos tis diaqetei.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws.

BLAXOS: Exw mia aporia: Otan kaqotan o k. Karamanlhs sto trapezi me toys symboyloys toy Ypoyrgoys kai mh gia na ftiajoyn ayton ton basiko metoxo, kaneis den eipe ston Prwqypoyrgo, jereis yparxoyn kai aytoi oi kindynoi, mporei na steiloyme ayto, na mas erqei ayth h apanthsh, na katastrwsoyme enallaktika senaria. Ap` o,ti katalabainw twra kai apo thn amhxania poy diakrinei ta osa lete eseis, den yphrxe kanena senario enallaktikhs lyshs. Kanenas den eixe pei ston k. Karamanlh oti jereis mporei na katapesei ayto to pragma to opoio ftiaxnoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia amhxania. Ean sas dhmioyrgeitai ayth h entypwsh einai isws epeidh einai Deytera kai exete arketes hmeres na me deite sto press room. Yparxoyn polles lyseis, polla enallaktika senaria, opws lete eseis, aplws qa hqela na sas parakalesw na kanete liges hmeres ypomonh.

BLAXOS: Ti liges hmeres ypomonh, mexri ton Oktwbrio prepei na exoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, bebaia. Mexri telos Oktwbrioy qa diarkesei endexomenws h anastolh. Den shmainei oti ejantleitai panta olo to xroniko periqwrio. Mporei na ejantlhqei, mporei kai oxi.

SARANTAKOS: O k. Paylopoylos diaxeirizetai kai to qema ths tropologias, ayth olh thn apanthsh. O k. Paylopoylos einai epikefalhs ths prospaqeias ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Oi epistoles ypegrafhsan apo koinoy apo ton k. Paylopoylo kai ton k. Roysopoylo.

TSIODRAS: Qa epanelqw sto prwto qema kai se ena allo zhthma. Se sxesh me diatajeis enos nomoy gia ta asfalistika poy katatiqetai apo ton k. Panagiwtopoylo kai ton k. Alogoskoyfh poy problepei ekei kapoies dieykolynseis se sxesh me tis eisfores twn apotyxontwn boyleytwn. Den dinetai epidoma dhladh, nomizw omws, oti problepei kapoies eynoikes ryqmiseis se ayto to zhthma. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws prokeitai gia kapoio keimeno to opoio den exei parei th morfh nomosxedioy. Nomosxedio einai kati to opoio katatiqetai sth Boylh. As katateqei prwta sth Boylh.

TSIODRAS: Ennoeite oti den prokeitai h sygkekrimenh diatajh@

ANTWNAROS: Egw den mporw na syzhthsw se ayth thn aiqoysa keimena ta opoia den exoyn parei th morfh nomosxediwn, dhladh den periexoyn thn oristikh politikh boylhsh twn Ypoyrgeiwn h ths kybernhshs. Nomosxedio einai kati to opoio exei katateqei sth Boylh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto prohgoymeno qema qelw na rwthsw. Me ayth thn epistolh den yparxei parembash ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs sto Syntagma mas otan leei kamia Syntagmatikh diatajh na mhn efarmostei gi` ayto to pragma. Den einai ayto parembash sto Syntagma mas apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Oloi exoyme ypoxrewsh na perifroyroyme to Syntagma. To oti ekfrazetai mia apoch se mia epistolh poy apeyqynetai pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh -opws eixe ekfrastei allwste se polles antistoixes epistoles sto parelqon, tis opoies agnooysan oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis- den shmainei oti apodexomaste plhrws o,ti periexetai sthn epistolh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Gnwrizete me poia idiothta proskaleitai h k. Natassa Karamanlh gia na milhsei se episthmoniko synedrio gyrw apo ta qemata ths mesogeiakhs anaimias otan den einai oyte kan ena xrono giatros;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw poia einai h kathgoria. Oti symmetexei h k. Karamanlh se synedria;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den diatypwsa kamia kathgoria. Rwthsa an gnwrizete me poia idiothta proskaleitai.

ANTWNAROS: Toy askoymenoy giatroy. H k. Karamanlh exei spoydasei brefonhpiokomos. Me ayth thn idiothta exei apokthsei didaktoriko diplwma. Eishlqe sthn Iatrikh sxolh toy Panepisthmioy meta apo katatakthries ejetaseis opws oloi oi Ellhnes poy qeloyn na spoydasoyn kati allo. Teleiwse tis spoydes ths kai kanei to agrotiko ths ekei poy exei orisqei na to kanei. Opws jerete sta synedria tis perissoteres fores, h synhqismenh praktikh einai tis anakoinwseis epi twn symperasmatwn na tis kanoyn oi neoteroi episthmones. Den exei kaneis para na rwthsei episthmonikoys kykloys gia na to plhroforhqei. Osoi isxyrizontai to antiqeto einai aplws kakohqeis.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Na epimeinw kai na rwthsw: Eseis gnwrizete polloys giatroys oi opoioi kanoyn to agrotiko toys kai parallhla kaloyntai na milhsoyn se megala kai shmantika episthmonika synedria;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. Gnwrizw oti oi dyo kores kai o gios filwn moy poy einai askoymenoi, proshlqan se synedria kai ekanan anakoinwseis aytoy toy eidoys.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den sas pernaei dhladh apo to myalo oti h k. Karamanlh proskaleitai se tetoioy eidoys synedria epeidh einai syzygos toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ejyphretei kapoies dhmosies sxeseis kapoiwn giatrwn gia paradeigma;

ANTWNAROS: Ayta einai dika sas ayqaireta, symperasmata.

LEONTITSH: Poia einai h atzenta ths synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro Mpoys thn erxomenh Paraskeyh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqeite tis epomenes hmeres.

Sas eyxaristw.

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