Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-04-15

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 15 Aprilioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos exei enan qesmiko rolo sth leitoyrgia toy mesa s` ayth th xwra, gi` ayto exei kai diafora pronomia. Einai dynaton na yparxei tetoia mystikothta sth syskech toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys Ypoyrgoys toy gia shmantika qemata, opws einai to asfalistiko; Einai dynaton na mhn enhmerwnetai h koinh gnwmh, o ellhnikos laos kai ara kai oi dhmosiografoi oti o Prwqypoyrgos dinei entoles h kateyqynthries grammes se Ypoyrgoys toy kai qa prepei o k. Karamanlhs na phgainei sto spiti toy gia na kanei ayth th syskech; Fobatai kati kai den kanei th syskech sto Majimoy; Yparxoyn kapoioi anqrwpoi sto Majimoy oi opoioi endexomenws dhmioyrgoyn problhma sth leitoyrgia toy Prwqypoyrgoy diarreontas ta ranteboy poy kanei ekei; Gi` ayto to prattei;

ANTWNAROS: Qijate para polla qemata se mia erwthsh. Kanate mia mikrh dialejh sthn aiqoysa kai@

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite. Eseis prepei na moy dwsete apanthsh kai oxi na me brisete.

ANTWNAROS: Pros Qeoy, den exw kamia proqesh na sas qijw. Dialejh eipa. O oros dialejh@.

BLAXOS: Einai akrws dhmosiografikh erwthsh. Sas parakalw poly na mhn th xarakthrisete dialejh. Egw sas sebomai kai sas ektimw. Apaitw na exete to idio yfos apenanti moy kai eseis. Den einai dialejh, einai erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Blaxo sas sebomai kai sas ektimw kai dhmosiografika kai proswpika opws gnwrizete.

BLAXOS: Apanthste moy parakalw.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos asfalws exei to dikaiwma kai synanthseis na kanei kai me toys Ypoyrgoys toy na syskeptetai opote ekeinos krinei, se opoio plaisio ekeinos epilegei.

BLAXOS: Mystika; Exei to dikaiwma na kanei syskech sto spiti toy, bebaiws to exei to dikaiwma, opws to ekanan kai oi prohgoymenoi Prwqypoyrgoi. Alla oloi ekanan anakoinwsh kai elegan oti: shmera o Prwqypoyrgos h ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos qa dei sto spiti toy sto Kastri toys tade Ypoyrgoys gia to asfalistiko. Edw to problhma dhmioyrgeitai giati yparxei ayth h mystikothta.

ANTWNAROS: Afoy sas apanthsa.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na epimeinw se ayto kai na rwthsw to ejhs: giati xqes anakoinwqhke h synanthsh me ton k. Molybiath h tis prohgoymenes meres eixan anakoinwqei oi synanthseis me toys tade, toys tade Ypoyrgoys, enw h sygkekrimenh synanthsh krathqhke mystikh; Giati dhladh@

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste se synanthsh sthn opoia egw proswpika den ekana kamia anafora. Gnwrizete, loipon, oti o Prwqypoyrgos diathrei to dikaiwma na pragmatopoiei synanthseis kai me stelexh ths kybernhshs kai me koinwnikoys foreis kai me boyleytes kai me polles proswpikothtes. Kai ayto den nomizw pws einai kati poy mporei kaneis na to amfisbhthsei.

TSIODRAS: Giati lew sth mia periptwsh anakoinwnontai oi synanthseis me Ypoyrgoys, me foreis, me proswpikothtes kai sthn allh kapoies synanthseis me Ypoyrgoys pali kratoyntai mystikes. Giati dyo metra kai dyo staqma;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws sas eipa, blepei para polloys episkeptes, exei para polloys synomilhtes, antallassei apoceis. Alimono an amfisbhthsei kaneis ayto to dikaiwma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

TSIODRAS: Den rwtaw ayto. @Allo rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa.

SIDERHS: Epeidh kapoies efhmerides miloyn gia ``giafka'', an sxhmatizetai kapoia mystikh organwsh, elpizoyme h prokhryjh ths na mhn paei kai ayth me diarroes.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai eilikrina ti qelete na peite. To erwthma sas den exei erwthmatiko sto telos, exei; Epomenws den einai kan erwthsh.

KAKALHS: H meiwsh ths yperwriakhs amoibhs, to elastiko oktawro, h anatroph twn asfalistikwn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn, den perilambanontan sto proeklogiko programma ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ara h kybernhsh den exei th laikh entolh gi` ayta. Apo poy antlei th nomimopoihsh gia na proxwrhsei se tetoia antilaika metra;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei thn ypoxrewsh na frontizei wste to mellon twn paidiwn mas, twn apogonwn mas na ejasfalistei me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Synepws, exei ypoxrewsh na proxwrhsei se ekeines tis diarqrwtikes allages poy apaitoyntai -mesa sto plaisio to opoio periegracan xqes oi ypoyrgoi k.k. Alogoskoyfhs kai Panagiwtopoylos- prokeimenoy ayto to mellon na ejasfalistei mesa sto kalytero dynato periballon. Exoyme pei, allwste, oti opoiesdhpote allages ginoyn, qa ginoyn se baqos xronoy, me anesh xronoy kai mesa apo dialogo.

KAKALHS: Profanws, gia to mellon twn paidiwn endiaferetai kai o idios o ellhnikos laos kai den qa eixe antirrhsh an toy to eixate pei proeklogika. To gegonos oti kineiste me ayto ton tropo, profanws den einai kai toso kalo. Qa hqela na rwthsw kati allo. H kybernhsh eixe yposxeqei oti den qa epibalei neoys foroys kai epebale toys epaxqesteroys emmesoys foroys gia ta laika strwmata. Eixe pei oti qa antimetwpisei thn akribeia kai prattei ta antiqeta. Eixe pei oti den qa anoijei to Asfalistiko kai to Ergasiako kai ta anoigei. Telika, mporeite na anaferete ena sobaro filolaiko metro ayths ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Apo th dikh sas pleyra, etsi opws to paroysiazete, fainetai san na briskomaste se mia entelws diaforetikh xwra. Exoyme ejhghsei leptomerws, me safhneia kai me adiamfisbhthta epixeirhmata giati egine aparaithth h epibolh twn sygkekrimenwn forologikwn metrwn. Den prokeitai na epanelqw s` ayto. Eimai sigoyros oti oi polites exoyn antilhfqei toys logoys. Milhsate gia akribeia kai epilegete na paragnwrisete oloys toys deiktes, oi opoioi dhmosieyontai apo thn epishmh Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia. Den nomizw oti exei kapoios thn paramikrh amfibolia oti h Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia kanei poly kala th doyleia ths. H kybernhsh, synepws, exei thn ypoxrewsh stoys 13 mhnes, afotoy ejelegh, na labei ola ekeina ta aparaithta diorqwtika metra poy xreiazontai, wste na arqoyn oi megales streblwseis tis opoies klhronomhse. Kai taytoxrona na dhmioyrghsei tis proypoqeseis, wste meta apo ta dyo dyskola xronia gia ta opoia exoyme milhsei, na mporesoyn oi Ellhnes polites na drecoyn toys karpoys ths oikonomikhs staqerothtas. Na eiste sigoyros oti ayto qa symbei.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me to Asfalistiko, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh meta apo to dialogo poy qa ginei metajy twn koinwnikwn forewn k.lp., qa proxwrhsei sthn kataqesh neoy nomoy gia to Asfalistiko.

ANTWNAROS: Einai poly prowro na ginei syzhthsh gia tetoies leptomereies. Oi armodioi ypoyrgoi exoyn topoqethqei, eipan oti me sygkekrimenh diadikasia, qa ginei o sygkekrimenos dialogos, gia sygkekrimena qemata. Orioqethsan akribws th qematologia, h opoia qa apotelesei antikeimeno toy dialogoy. Synepws, einai poly prowro na poyme twra ti qa ginei, otan kai efoson o dialogos katalhjei.

BLAXOS: Anasxhmatismos qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Meres exete na moy kanete ayth th synhqismenh erwthsh kai arxisa na anarwtiemai ti egine. Epanalambanw ayto poy exw pei polles fores: Opws gnwrizete, o anasxhmatismos anagetai sthn apokleistikh armodiothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Rwthsate ton k. Karamanlh; Dioti dhmosieyontai kai yparxei kai ayth h fhmh oti mesa sto Sabbatokyriako qa ginei anasxhmatismos. Ton rwthsate, ti na apanthsete sthn erwthsh ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Blaxo, jerw na kanw th doyleia moy.

XIWTHS: Qelw na epistrecw ligo sto Asfalistiko. Nomizw oti apotelei pagkosmia prwtotypia to gegonos mia kybernhsh na kalei toys foreis se dialogo, xwris na kataqetei tis dikes ths protaseis. Anarwtiemai, ti nohma exei enas dialogos me foreis, otan h kybernhsh poy exei thn eyqynh den anakoinwnei tis skeceis ths, estw kai oxi me desmeytiko tropo. Ayto h shmainei oti to apotelesma toy dialogoy qa einai desmeytiko gia thn kybernhsh h, apo ekei kai pera, den katalabainw giati ginetai ayto to pragma.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai proqesh moy na antidikhsw me kanenan, ti einai pagkosmia prwtotypia kai ti oxi. Qa hqela mono na sas pw oti eimai enhmeros gia to pws antimetwpisan alles xwres antistoixa problhmata, egkaira malista, kati poy den egine sthn Ellada. Kai se poly megalyteres xwres apo th dikh mas, me megalyterh empeiria, akoloyqhqhke diadikasia h opoia den htan poly diaforetikh. Allwste, as mhn jexname oti ena shmantiko tmhma twn koinwnikwn etairwn, monoi toys, ejedhlwsan thn epiqymia na qesoyn sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn, twn diapragmateysewn, orismena qemata poy aptontai toy Asfalistikoy. Emeis eixame pei apo thn arxh oti an oi koinwnikoi etairoi ekdhlwsoyn tetoia epiqymia, asfalws h kybernhsh qa antapokriqei se ayth thn epiqymia. As afhsoyme, loipon, ayto to dialogo poy brisketai akomh se poly prwimo stadio na ejelixqei. Kai blepoyme.

XIWTHS: O oros ``pagkosmia prwtotypia'' den eixe kamia dosh eirwneias@

ANTWNAROS: Ma den diekrina kan eirwneia sthn erwthsh sas.

XIWTHS: Qelw, an exete kapoia proxeira paradeigmata antistoixoy dialogoy. Kai se o,ti afora toys foreis: Oi foreis zhthsan na ginei dialogos me th symmetoxh ths kybernhshs. Oxi na syzhtoyn monoi toys oi foreis kai h kybernhsh na paramenei qeaths kai na toys parakoloyqei.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, oti diathrei to dikaiwma na kanei, oson afora sth meqodologia, kai dikes ths epiloges. Etsi den einai;

XIWTHS: Nai. Alla to erwthma moy einai poly sygkekrimeno: Qewreite oti einai ypeyqynh h stash mias kybernhshs h opoia kalei gia ena toso megalo zhthma poy endiaferei olo ton kosmo, na jekinhsei mia eyreia diadikasia dialogoy, xwris h idia na symmetexei;

ANTWNAROS: Prwta - prwta h kybernhsh den apekdyetai twn eyqynwn ths se kamia periptwsh. Allwste, mhn jexnate oti oi dyo ypoyrgoi anelaban thn prwtoboylia, anakoinwsan oti qa apeyqynoyn mia epistolh, proebhsan se sygkekrimenes kinhseis, bhmata. Aytes oi energeies den apodeiknyoyn oti h kybernhsh metexei, oti einai paroysa, oti qelei na einai ekei; Fysika kai to apodeiknyoyn.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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