Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-03-07

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Aqhna, 7 Martioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

H diakybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias symplhrwnei shmera to prwto ths xrono. Kata th diarkeia twn 12 aytwn mhnwn politeyqhkame me synepeia kai ypeyqynothta. Kinhqhkame sto plaisio arxwn kai ajiwn, sto plaisio poy orizei to kybernhtiko mas programma, oi desmeyseis poy analabame enanti twn politwn, kaqws kai oi ypoxrewseis ths xwras. Ferame se peras thn eqnikh ypoqesh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, exontas thn eyqynh ths krisimhs telikhs fashs ths proetoimasias, thn eyqynh ths egkairhs paradoshs twn ergwn kai twn ypodomwn. H acogh diorganwsh twn Agwnwn proebale thn Ellada dieqnws. Katedeije tis dynatothtes twn Ellhnwn kai enisxyse thn eqnikh aytopepoiqhsh.

Kata th diarkeia twn 12 aytwn mhnwn dwsame lyseis se polla problhmata, ta opoia eixan sysswreytei epi 20 xronia diakybernhshs toy PASOK. Epitelesame shmantiko ergo, qesame tis baseis gia pio grhgorh, pio dynamikh kai pio apotelesmatikh poreia sto diasthma poy akoloyqei. Oi desmeyseis poy exoyme analabei isxyoyn sto akeraio. H kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias exei mprosta ths tria oloklhra xronia gia na synexisei thn ylopoihsh toy programmatos ths.

To 2005 jekinhse me staqerh kai epimonh prospaqeia gia na allajoyn oi domes toy kratoys kai ths oikonomias. Na lysoyme tis streblwseis toy xqes, wste na diasfalisoyme anaptyjh se oloys toys tomeis kai eyhmeria gia oloys toys polites.

Ayrio, stis 11:00, sto Megaro Majimoy, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qema ths: ``Epanidrysh ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs 2005'' me eishghth ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. P. Paylopoylo.

Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 19:30, dinei thn kaqierwmenh ethsia synenteyjh sthn Enwsh Antapokritwn Jenoy Typoy.

Oson afora sto programma toy, poy afora se tajidia toy sto ejwteriko, qa anakoinwqei ayrio.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ontws qelei qrasos to PASOK na egkalei esas gia to LAFKA. Wstoso kai eseis eiste ypologoi, logw twn ametroepwn yposxesewn poy eixate dwsei sto parelqon. Ta anadromika toy LAFKA einai ena disekatommyrio. Eixate yposxeqei oti qa ejoikonomeite 10 disekatommyria to xrono apo thn katapolemhsh ths spatalhs kai ths kakodiaxeirishs. Poy einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti qa prepei prwtistws na diorqwsw dyo shmeia ths erwthshs sas, poy aforoyn anakribh stoixeia kai den einai akribws etsi opws ta apodidete. To prwto einai oi ametroepeis, opws eseis xarakthrisate, yposxeseis gia to LAFKA. Oi desmeyseis ths Neas Dhmokratias gia to LAFKA htan poly sygkekrimenes.

SIDERHS: Den katalabate. Ametroepeis, oson afora sthn ejoikonomhsh twn 10 dis. kaqe xrono.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai to deytero shmeio gia to opoio qa moy epitrecete na sas milhsw amesws meta. Se o,ti afora sto LAFKA: H desmeysh ths Neas Dhmokratias -h rhth desmeysh poy exei analabei o idios o Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias proeklogika kai yparxei kai se keimena ths Neas Dhmokratias sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn hdh apo to 2003- htan oti qa katarghsei thn eisfora toy LAFKA, kati to opoio egine apo toys prwtoys kiolas mhnes diakybernhshs ths xwras apo th Nea Dhmokratia, apo ton perasmeno Ioylio. Ayth htan h rhth desmeysh ths Neas Dhmokratias gia katarghsh ths eisforas toy LAFKA. Me ayth thn katarghsh wfelhqhkan oi syntajioyxoi apo 1% ews 5% epipleon stis syntajeis toys. Htan, dhladh, oysiastika mia emmesh ayjhsh twn syntajewn toys. Kai prepei na ypenqymisw edw oti to PASOK eixe frontisei me dyo nomoys na epekteinei thn eisfora toy LAFKA ews to 2008.

H kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias proxwrhse akomh perissotero kai se ena allo shmeio gia to opoio oydepote eixe desmeytei proeklogika, anekyce sthn poreia kai desmeythke dhmosiws ton perasmeno Dekembrio. Prokeitai gia ta anadromika poy opws gnwrizete me thn pro hmerwn parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa doqoyn se oloys toys syntajioyxoys. Gia ta anadromika den qa breite poyqena proeklogikh desmeysh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Wstoso, o Prwqypoyrgos ekrine, gia toys logoys toys opoioys o idios epikalesthke sto mhnyma toy, oti qa prepei na doqoyn se oloys toys syntajioyxoys.

SIDERHS: Ta apodexomai ayta, gi` ayto kai eipa oti einai qrasos to PASOK na sas egkalei gia to LAFKA. To deytero qema htan oti eixate yposxeqei oti qa ejoikonomeite 10 disekatommyria apo thn katapolemhsh spatalhs kai kakodioikhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi synexeis parembaseis toy nyn Prwqypoyrgoy kai tote arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, stis opoies sas parapempw, kaqws kai h teleytaia synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse sth Qessalonikh ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, apodeiknyoyn oti o Kwstas Karamanlhs epeshmaine shmeia ths ekqeshs ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas gia to oti h diafqora sto ellhniko Dhmosio kostizei stoys Ellhnes forologoymenoys 10 disekatommyria eyrw to xrono. H meiwsh twn dapanwn kai h beltiwsh ths dioikhtikhs leitoyrgias ths dioikhtikhs mhxanhs, exoyn arxisei hdh na fernoyn apotelesmata. Ston prwto xrono -opws qa exei thn eykairia na sas dwsei analytika stoixeia to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn- hdh exoyn ejoikonomhqei 3 disekatommyria eyrw apo thn kalyterh diaxeirish kai apo meiwsh twn dapanwn toy dhmosioy tomea. Dapanwn poy alogista, se polles periptwseis sto parelqon, ginontan apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Einai enas ikanopoihtikos ryqmos, o opoios ews to telos ths tetraetias qa exei odhghsei sthn ekplhrwsh kai ayths ths desmeyshs.

SARANTAKOS: Enas koryfaios ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, o k. Kaklamanhs, se shmerinh toy synenteyjh ston ``Eleyqero Typo'' leei oti dyo-treis ypoyrgoi qa prepei na pane spiti toys. Symmerizeste ayth thn ektimhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws exw pei kai allh fora se ayth thn aiqoysa, h ypoqesh ayth einai kaqara ypoqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Akoysame ton apologismo toy kybernhtikoy ergoy gia ton ena xrono. Omws k. Ypoyrge, oi dhmoskophseis poy ginontai deixnoyn oti o kosmos qewrei oti exoyn epideinwqei ta oikonomika toy kai aplws h kybernhsh swzetai ejaitias ths kakhs gnwmhs poy exei o Ellhnas poliths gia to PASOK. Telika ti isxyei; O aisiodojos apologismos poy kanate h o apaisiodojos apologismos twn politwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Ellhnas poliths gnwrizei poly kala oti h oikonomikh katastash poy brisketai h xwra shmera ofeiletai sth diaxeirish poy epifylaje sthn oikonomia ths h teleytaia 10etia toy PASOK. Einai kati to opoio -mias kai anaferqhkate se dhmoskophseis kai gnwrizete oti den tis sxoliazw- anadeiknyetai apo ta stoixeia ayta. Epishs, o Ellhnas poliths gnwrizei oti h shmerinh kybernhsh, h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias exei arxisei prospaqeies ``noikokyrematos'' twn oikonomikwn se mia logikh poy en telei qa exei apotelesmata yper toy Ellhna forologoymenoy. Otan ``noikokyreytoyn'' ta dhmosia oikonomika, otan ftasoyn sto ideato shmeio ekeino poy oloi qa qelame, otan mporesoyn na allajoyn domes poy dhmioyrgoysan agkylwseis sthn oikonomia, apetrepan tis ependyseis kai ara thn eisroh kefalaiwn kai thn ejeyresh newn qesewn ergasias, tote ta pragmata qa einai poly diaforetika apo o,ti ta paralabame. Qa sas pw toyto: Ws kybernhsh qa eimaste ikanopoihmenoi monon otan oloi oi Ellhnes polites qa einai ikanopoihmenoi. Gnwrizoyme oti exoyme enan poly dyskolo dromo mprosta mas. Exoyme diabei ena kommati aytoy toy dromoy. Qa synexisoyme me thn idia aytopeiqarxia, me thn idia systhmatikothta, me sebasmo sthn ajioprepeia toy polith, na prospaqoyme na dwsoyme lyseis se problhmata poy sysswreythkan epi seira etwn. Etyxe se ayth thn kybernhsh o klhros na ta lysei, kyriws ayta poy aforoyn sthn oikonomia. Oi Ellhnes polites, loipon, gnwrizoyn poly kala poia einai h katastash ths oikonomias. Gnwrizoyn pws ftasame ws edw kai diapistwnoyn tis eilikrineis prospaqeies ths neas kybernhshs na anatrecei katesthmena tetoia poy dhmioyrgoysan agkylwseis kai dhmioyrgoysan problhmata sto na orqopodhsei h oikonomia toy topoy.

BLAXOS: Apo o,ti deixnoyn kai oi dikes sas metrhseis, ths kybernhshs, h akribeia -ena megalo agkaqi ths kybernhshs toy PASOK- to teleytaio diasthma, exei ayjhqei. To petrelaio anebainei apo mera se mera. Den exei ginei tipota kai h agora, opws gnwrizete, stenazei. Oyte ependyseis ginontai, oyte qeseis ergasias exoyn dhmioyrghqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, h kybernhsh den kanei metrhseis. Ara, den gnwrizw se poies anafereste. Oson afora sto petrelaio, bebaiws, opoios zei se ayto ton topo gnwrizei oti akribyne to petrelaio. Gnwrizei omws -opoios dei ta sygkritika stoixeia- oti h ayjhsh ths timhs toy dieqnws einai para poly megalh. Analogika sthn Ellada einai apo tis mikroteres sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Den krybomaste pisw apo to daktylo mas. Bebaiws ayjhqhke to petrelaio dieqnws kai ayto exei antiktypo kai sth xwra mas. Eytyxws, omws, to mikrotero dynato antiktypo.

SPYRAKH: Pws eide h kybernhsh thn ejelijh, meta thn apofash toy Prwtodikeioy twn Ierosolymwn, na jetyligei to koybari gia thn amfisbhthsh ths diadikasias ekloghs toy Patriarxh Eirhnaioy. Anhsyxei h kybernhsh oti etsi jekina enas kyklos amfisbhthshs ths ellhnikothtas toy Patriarxeioy sthn perioxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To mono poy qa sas pw einai oti gia ola ta qemata poy aforoyn sto Patriarxeio Ierosolymwn to endiaferon ths kybernhshs einai eylogo kai gnwsto. Sto plaisio aytoy toy endiaferontos, thn perasmenh ebdomada episkefqhke to Patriarxeio Ierosolymwn o yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Skandalakhs, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqei se baqos gia toys problhmatismoys toy Patriarxeioy. H kybernhsh qa parexei th sthrijh ths sto baqmo poy xreiazetai.

TSIODRAS: Milhsate prin gia thn oikonomia kai tis prospaqeies poy kataballei h kybernhsh. Wstoso, yparxoyn fwnes kai apo to eswteriko ths kybernhshs, poy lene oti ta metra poy exei parei mexri twra, den arkoyn kai xreiazontai prosqeta metra apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa hqela th qesh sas panw s` ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas pw thlegrafika merika apo ta metra poy exoyn lhfqei gia thn oikonomia, kaqws kai merikes apo tis politikes poy exei anaptyjei ayton ton ena xrono h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me thn erwthsh, qa hqela na moy peite ta metra poy ofeilei na parei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas qymisw oti ayth h kybernhsh ryqmise ta panwtokia, ena problhma pollwn etwn. Qa hqela na sas qymisw oti ayth h kybernhsh katarghse thn eisfora toy LAFKA, opws akribws eixe desmeytei. Epishs, dinei ta anadromika toy LAFKA se oloys toys syntajioyxoys. Prokeitai gia xrhmata poy to PASOK, ola ayta ta xronia, paranomws sygkentrwne, eis baros twn syntajioyxwn. Qa hqela na sas qymisw oti einai pleon taxeia h katabolh twn agrotikwn enisxysewn kai apozhmiwsewn. Qa hqela na sas qymisw oti ayth h kybernhsh dieyqethse to xronizon problhma ths omhrias symbasioyxwn. Anqrwpoi oi opoioi eixan proslhfqei epi twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK ws symbasioyxoi, se diafores qeseis toy dhmosioy tomea, blepoyn th lysh toy problhmatos, pente xronia meta thn odhgia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, na th dinei h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai oxi h kybernhsh toy PASOK poy dhmioyrghse to problhma. Qa hqela na sas qymisw oti, metajy twn allwn, katateqhke neo forologiko nomosxedio kai neos anaptyjiakos nomos poy qa bohqhsoyn kai ta dyo sthn anaptyjh ths oikonomias mas. Oson afora sthn katapolemhsh ths kratikhs spatalhs, sas edwsa kapoia stoixeia ta opoia einai oxi aplws endiaferonta, alla kai poly shmantika. H katarghsh toy maqhmatikoy typoy einai ena apo ta poly shmantika aithmata gia thn ejygiansh ths agoras. H yioqethsh toy basikoy metoxoy, opws epitassei to Syntagma. Ena neo qesmiko plaisio, to opoio meiwnei th grafeiokratia sto dhmosio tomea. Qa hqela na sas anaferw kai polles akoma parembaseis, alla den qelw na sas koyrasw. Sas anefera tis shmantikoteres poy eginan ayto to xrono. Aytoy toy eidoys oi rhjikeleyqes politikes qa synexistoyn kai sto mellon.

TSIODRAS: Yparxoyn fwnes poy lene oti den ftanoyn ayta ta bhmata, oti xreiazontai pio apofasistika metra. Kai yparxoyn fwnes kai apo to eswteriko ths kybernhshs poy zhtoyn ayta ta pio apofasistika metra. Einai kaloi, loipon, oi ryqmoi me toys opoioys kineitai h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws oti emeis qa eimaste apolyta ikanopoihmenoi, otan qa einai oloi oi Ellhnes polites ikanopoihmenoi. O exqros toy kaloy einai to kalytero. Den einai mia rhsh agnwsth se esas, thn jeroyme oloi, th biwnoyme oloi. Th biwnei kai h kybernhsh sthn kaqhmerinothta ths.

XONDROS: Eixate pei oti h politikh ths hpias prosarmoghs einai h oikonomikh politikh toy koinwnikoy kentroy. Dhladh, ths exete dwsei ena politiko stigma. Yparxei anagkaiothta strofhs sthn oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs; Allagh sthn oikonomikh politikh; Yparxei piqanothta kai endexomeno h hpia prosarmogh na ginei kai pio grhgorh; Dioti kai shmera eixame ton epitimo Proedro ths Neas Dhmokratias na epishmainei kapoia pragmata. Kai opws eipe kai o synadelfos, yparxoyn polles fwnes sth Nea Dhmokratia poy zhtoyn h hpia prosarmogh na ginei kai pio apotelesmatikh kai pio grhgorh. Yparxei qema allaghs ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh desmeythke oti qa proxwrhsei se hpia politikh se zhthmata poy aforoyn ston Ellhna polith, thn kaqhmerinothta toy kai thn oikonomikh dynatothta toy, xwris na toy dhmioyrghsei perissotera problhmata apo ayta poy hdh exei. Den desmeythke oti den qa kanei to idio kai sto dhmosio tomea. Gi` ayto kai ta oikonomika sto dhmosio tomea exoyn ``sfijei'' para poly. Gi` ayto kai to noikokyrema, sto opoio anaferqhka prohgoymenws, exei arxisei na apodidei karpoys. H hpia prosarmogh exei na kanei me mia logikh koinwnikhs politikhs kai pws blepei ayth h kybernhsh ton Ellhna polith kai thn oikonomikh toy dynatothta. Emeis, loipon, sthrizoyme ayth thn hpia prosarmogh. Thn pisteyoyme kai thn yphretoyme.

PAPAGIANNHS: An katalaba kala, den apokleiete thn piqanothta na lhfqoyn ektakta oikonomika metra. Qa hqela na to dieykrinisete ayto. Epishs, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Dyo apo tis basikes proeklogikes ejaggelies sas, h mia poy afora toys symbasioyxoys ws pros to noymero poy eixe dwsei h kybernhsh, dhladh 250.000, den exei ylopoihqei. Kai h deyterh kai shmantikoterh @h opoia sas edwse kai polles chfoys- afora to xarakthrismo ws polyteknhs oikogeneias, ekeinhs sthn opoia yparxoyn tria paidia. Oyte s` ayto exete dwsei mexri stigmhs lysh. Mporeite na mas prosdiorisete to xronodiagramma ths epilyshs aytwn twn qematwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto prwto qema, sxetika me thn oikonomia, apanthsa hdh. Se o,ti afora sto deytero, mallon den to exete parakoloyqhsei kala. Sto qema twn polyteknwn me tria paidia, hdh einai polles oi ryqmiseis poy exoyn ginei, opws h ryqmish gia toys fantaroys. Den einai oyte mikrh, oyte ashmanth ryqmish. Akoloyqoyn kai alles.

PEPONHS: Eipate prohgoymenws, kyrie Ypoyrge, oti ejasfalisate to 2004, sto plaisio ths peristolhs twn kratikwn dapanwn, 3 dis eyrw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Meiwsame tis dapanes.

PEPONHS: Par` ola ayta, bazw ta noymera katw kai kapoy den moy bgainoyn. Eixate anaqewrhsei to elleimma sto 5,2% h 5,3%. Kai omws, to elleimma kleinei parapanw kai den jerw poso einai. Mporeite na mas peite telika poy ekleise to elleimma toy Proypologismoy toy 2004 kai me th meiwsh twn kratikwn dapanwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fainomenikws sxetikes erwthseis, alla kat` oysian asxetes. To prwto skelos einai asxeto me to deytero. Sto deytero skelos, den qa sas apanthsw. Mporeite na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Oson afora sto prwto, den antilambanomai giati den sas bgainoyn ta noymera. Melethste ligo ton Proypologismo, deite thn peristolh twn dapanwn poy exei ginei sto Dhmosio kai tote qa sas prokycoyn ta noymera, opws akribws sas ta eipa.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ena apo ta qemata poy dhmioyrghsan entona sxolia kai antiparaqeseis mesa kai ejw apo th Boylh htan to qema toy basikoy metoxoy. Dierwtwmai poy brisketai ayth h ypoqesh. Dioti eixate mia eidopoihsh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, an den kanw laqos, oti entos 15 hmerwn prepei na dwsete mia apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. Den yphrje kanenos eidoys eidopoihsh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Exw anaferqei s` ayta ta qemata dhmosiws, toylaxiston dyo fores. Mia stis Bryjelles kai mia edw, sto press-room. Den krinw skopimo na epanelqw, giati den yparxei kamia tetoia eidopoihsh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Isxyei sto akeraio o,ti exw pei.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Einai ikanopoihtikh h eikona mias kybernhsh otan, se kaqe qema poy prokyptei, na xreiazetai h parembash toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia na lyqei; Den mporei o kaqe armodios Ypoyrgos gia kaqe qema poy prokyptei ston tomea toy na to xeirizetai, etsi wste na to ektonwnei; Anaferomai sto LAFKA, poy egine xamos kai ektonwqhke to qema otan to anelabe o Prwqypoyrgos. Ayto poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos, den qa mporoyse na to eixe kanei o k. Alogoskoyfhs h kapoios allos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H politikh apofash anhkei ston Prwqypoyrgo. Me to ``ean'', opws gnwrizete, den exei kanena nohma na syzhta kanenas.

XONDROS: To erwthma moy prokyptei apo thn apanthsh poy dinete gia thn erwthsh ean einai allo h kybernhsh kai allo o Prwqypoyrgos. Dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos erxetai ws apo mhxanhs Qeos@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayta, opws qymamai, einai erwthmata poy aforoysan thn prwth kai th deyterh kybernhsh Shmith.

XONDROS: Safws. Kai epeidh yparxei to paradeigma toy kakoy PASOK kai toy kaloy Shmith@ (den akoygetai). To erwthma moy loipon einai, ean einai allo h kybernhsh kai allo o Prwqypoyrgos. An, dhladh, h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias akoloyqei th logikh poy akoloyqhsan oi kybernhseis Shmith. Kai ena deytero erwthma einai: O k. Kaklamanhs milhse shmera gia thn anagkh kalyteroy syntonismoy ths kybernhshs. Ean den kanw laqos, to syntonismo mias kybernhshs ton exei o Prwqypoyrgos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, h diarkhs beltiwsh einai to zhtoymeno.

BLAXOS: Pote qa ginei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ``diarkes'' den exei telos. H diarkhs beltiwsh twn oikonomikwn, gia paradeigma, einai to zhtoymeno kai arxise apo tote poy anelabe h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias th diakybernhsh ths xwras.

XIWTHS: O prwhn Prwqypoyrgos k. Mhtsotakhs qetei shmera ena logiko erwthma gia tis proteraiothtes ths oikonomikhs politikhs. Anarwtietai giati den mporesan na ejasfalistoyn ta xrhmata gia thn efapaj katabolh toy LAFKA, poy an den kanw laqos einai peripoy 800 ekatommyria eyrw, otan h kybernhsh deixnei proqymh na xrhmatodothsei programmata eqeloysias ejodoy sthn Trapeza Ellados kai thn Emporikh, poy proypoqetoyn mia ektamieysh poly megalyteroy posoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymamai na exei anakoinwqei kati tetoio.

XIWTHS: To an den exei anakoinwqei, einai ena zhthma. To an to meleta h kybernhsh einai ena allo zhthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh mporei na meleta polla qemata, opws kai h antipoliteysh, opws kai o kaqenas mas xwrista. Shmasia exei na krinoyme epi twn politikwn kai epi twn anakoinwsewn.

GALIATSATOS: Sto idio qema k. Ekproswpe: Efoson den exei anakoinwqei, ennoeite oti den qa ginei kiolas; Dhladh, den qa xrhmatodothqoyn ayta ta programmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymamai na exei anakoinwqei kati tetoio. O k. Xiwths me rwthse kati. H aisqhsh moy htan san na exei apofasistei hdh, na exei lhfqei mia politikh apofash gia kati. Den qymamai na exei ginei kati tetoio. Mporw na rwthsw, na enhmerwqw kai na eimai kalytera proetoimasmenos ayrio gia na mporesw na sas apanthsw.

XIWTHS: To erwthma moy prokyptei apo mia grapth dhlwsh toy k. Mhtsotakh kai einai ean pragmati h kybernhsh qewrei megalyterh proteraiothta thn katabolh toy LAFKA apo th xrhmatodothsh programmatwn eqeloysias ejodoy stis trapezes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me dedomeno oti to ena exei hdh anakoinwqei kai to allo oxi, shmainei oti proteraiothta gia thn kybernhsh einai ontws oi syntajioyxoi kai h katabolh twn anadromikwn toy LAFKA. Exete, hdh, parei apanthsh sthn prajh.

XIWTHS: Ara, eikazw oti, efoson apofasistei programma eqeloysias ejodoy stis trapezes, h katabolh qa ginei se pente doseis kai apo to deytero ejamhno toy 2006.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti qa ginei me to programma eqeloysias ejodoy sthn Trapeza ths Ellados. Gnwrizw oti yparxoyn skeceis, diejagontai syzhthseis, opws epishs oti exoyn ginei kai anakoinwseis gia ton OTE. Prokeitai gia mia prospaqeia poy ginetai ston OTE, wste na bohqhqei o Organismos na orqopodhsei kai na einai perissotero antagwnistikos dieqnws, pros ofelos toso ths oikonomias toy OTE, oso kai ths eqnikhs oikonomias.

GKOYTZANHS: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada yphrje ena terastio qema me to LAFKA poy anagkasthke na parembei o Prwqypoyrgos. Gia hmeres apasxolhse thn ellhnikh koinwnia, syntajioyxoi ekanan kinhtopoihseis kai dhmioyrghqhke h entypwsh oti h kybernhsh empaizei ayth thn eyaisqhth kathgoria sympolitwn mas. Kai lew ``dhmioyrghqhke h entypwsh'' mexri na aposafhnistei. Telika yphrxe eyqynh kapoioy; Yphrxe epishs eyqijia apo th meria kapoioy, etsi wste h na ypobalei paraithsh h na ton apomakrynei h kybernhsh; Sas qymizw oti se paromoies periptwseis sto parelqon kai eseis eixate pei oti sthn prohgoymenh kybernhsh den yphrxe eyaisqhsia kai eyqijia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthse hdh o Prwqypoyrgos milwntas gia skies poy den qa epitrecei na pesoyn sthn politikh ths Neas Dhmokratias, kaqws epishs kai se zhthmata diafaneias politikwn drasewn. Se o,ti afora ston empaigmo: Empaigmos einai na krata kaneis ta xrhmata toy Ellhna syntajioyxoy epi seira etwn, na ton dernei otan aytos diamartyretai ejw apo to Majimoy. Kai sth synexeia na proserxetai stis thleoraseis san na mh synebh tipota kai me perisso qrasos na kanei ton timhth.

KAKALHS: Ston ethsio apologismo ths h kybernhsh ektimate oti exei na epideijei dyo-tria oysiastika metra poy mporeite na mas apariqmhsete kai ta opoia beltiwnoyn thn oikonomikh katastash twn oikonomika asqenesterwn, opws misqwtwn kai syntajioyxwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hdh, ola ayta poy sas anefera einai metra poy bohqoyn misqwtoys kai syntajioyxoys. Stoys syntajioyxoys eidika, peran ths katarghshs toy LAFKA apo 1% ews 5%, parexetai ayjhsh ths tajews toy 4%, dhladh kata meso oro h ayjhsh stis syntajeis kineitai apo 5% - 9%. Qa pw kati poy to exw epanalabei dhmosiws: Otan to PASOK fwnazei pws doqhkan megalyteres syntajeis perysi, kaqenas den exei para na melethsei thn kampylh twn ayjhsewn poy to PASOK, ws kybernhsh edine, gia na diapistwsei oti se proeklogikes xronies edine megalyteres syntajeis, enw kata th diarkeia ths tetraetias oi syntajeis htan pragmati cixoyla.

KAKALHS: Apo edw kai pera, to stigma ths kybernhshs poio einai; Epitaxynsh twn ryqmwn sthn kateyqynsh pio sklhrwn neofileleyqerwn epilogwn, opws h apeleyqerwsh toy wrarioy, oi sarwtikes idiwtikopoihseis stis DEKO kai h paroxh kinhtrwn stoys ependytes, sto onoma@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme teleiws diaforetikh ideologikh proseggish. Emeis onomazoyme diarqrwtikes allages ayta poy eseis anaferate me tosa arnhtika epiqeta.

SARANTAKOS: Mia dieykrinish gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy, poy eipate oti den exoyn zhthqei dieykriniseis apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Sthn epistolh toy o k. Paylopoylos poy -an den apatwmai, diorqwste me ean kanw laqos- den exei steilei hdh sthn E.E. einai kapoies dikastikes apofaseis poy mas eixe pei o Anaplhrwths sas poy exei o epimelhs k. Paylopoylos kai oxi h E.E.; H kati allo perilambanei ayth epistolh, thn opoia den gnwrizoyme emeis kai gnwrizete eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai bebaiws epimelhs o k. Paylopoylos kai xairomai poy to anagnwrizete, eidika eseis, k. Sarantako. Qa toy to pw kai qa xarei kai o idios oti ton eipate epimelh sto press room. Isxyei ayto poy sas eixe pei o k. Antwnaros oti: Sto telos ths synanthsews me ton Geniko Dieyqynth k. Saoymp, o k. Paylopoylos prosferqhke -opws allwste anakoinwse kai o ekproswpos toy- kai yposxeqhke na dwsei dyo ypoqeseis oi opoies exoyn apasxolhsei sto parelqon to Dikasthrio twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn, nomizw kai to galliko dhmosio gia to prwtogenes kai deyterogenes dikaio. Kai ayto epraje.

BLAXOS: Na symperanw oti h paroysia sas shmera edw ginetai gia na eisprajete to klima poy yparxei metajy twn dhmosiografwn, wste sth synexeia na ekpaideysete kalytera ton Prwqypoyrgo enocei ths ayrianhs synenteyjhs Typoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite oti apotelei eidhsh h paroysia moy edw;

BLAXOS: Gia frontisthrio hrqate; Ayto ennow.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa to pw ston Prwqypoyrgo.

BLAXOS: Qa kanete frontisthrio ston Prwqypoyrgo shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei anagkh frontisthrioy o Prwqypoyrgos. O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai kaqhmerinws kai apo prwto xeri gia ola ta problhmata twn Ellhnwn politwn.

PAPAGIANNHS: Na mhn symperanw oti enocei toy endexomenoy anasxhmatismoy qa einai h teleytaia sas paroysia, mhpws pate se allo ypoyrgeio. Na rwthsw to ejhs: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia to poly piqano endexomeno o SYNASPISMOS na mhn parastei sthn orkwmosia apo ton Arxiepiskopo k. Xristodoylo toy neoy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws katalabainete, den mporw na sxoliasw endexomeno.

PAPAGIANNHS: Se poly piqano endexomeno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoma kai ean symbei ayto einai mia politikh apofash, thn opoia den sxoliazw.

GALIATSATOS: Mia kai exoyme thn epeteio toy enos etoys@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poly xaroymenoys sas blepw, pantws, me thn epeteio toy enos xronoy.

BLAXOS: Tosh doyleia exoyme k. Ekproswpe, einai dynaton;

GALIATSATOS: Mia kai exoyme thn epeteio toy enos etoys qelw na sas qymisw oti h monh xeiropiasth kai amesa ylopoihsimh proeklogikh ejaggelia toy Prwqypoyrgoy thn opoia qymamai, nomizw thn eixe kanei stis 24 Febroyarioy, se mia sygkentrwsh newn, opoy yposxeqhke oti ton prwto xrono, amesa qa agorastoyn 150.000 ypologistes, me kostos 75 ekatommyria eyrw. Me aytoys toys ypologistes ti exei ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema ayto exei proxwrhsei se poly megalo pososto. Qa ekplageite. Qa zhthsw apo thn ka Giannakoy na sas kanei eidikh enhmerwsh.

SIDERHS: Mia kai shmera exete geneqlia, h toyrta telika htan pikrh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw se ti anafereste, pantws na eiste bebaioi oti h Nea Dhmokratia den blepei thn ejoysia san mia toyrta apo thn opoia prospaqei na faei kommatia. Isws alloi to ekanan sto parelqon. H Nea Dhmokratia antilambanetai th diakybernhsh ths xwras me thn eyqynh enos kommatos poy anelabe na epilysei para polla sysswreymena problhmata.

BLAXOS: Eseis ti erwthsh qa kanate ayrio ston Prwqypoyrgo, ean hsastan dhmosiografos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Twra pia einai arga gia emena.

XONDROS: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma, symfwna me to opoio h kybernhsh zhta pisw to epidoma twn 1.000 eyrw poy dinei stoys foithtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to jerw ayto. Qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Paideias.

XONDROS: Eipe o Prwqypoyrgos gia skies poy dhmioyrghqhkan se o,ti afora thn politikh diafaneias sth symperifora. Ypoqetw oti aytes oi skies den dhmioyrghqhkan apo kapoioys tritoys. Dhmioyrghqhkan apo anqrwpoys poy xeiristhkan thn ypoqesh. Einai ``aqwoi toy aimatos'' gia tis skies aytes kai monos ypeyqynos einai telika o k. Goylas; H oi eyqynes jepernoyn kai ton k. Goyla kai pane se kybernhtika stelexh; Giati tote allazei to pragma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejartatai ti ennoeite ``anqrwpoys poy xeiristhkan thn ypoqesh''.

XONDROS: Poy emplekontai qesmika sthn ypoqesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekane thn prosfygh toy kai sth synexeia, qewrhse skopimo na thn parei pisw, kati to opoio dhmioyrghse sigoyra skies. H kybernhsh, se kamia periptwsh, den hqele na yparxoyn stoys Ellhnes polites aytes oi skies.

XONDROS: Oi skies aforoyn, dhladh, mono ton k. Goyla;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas ejhghsa.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Lambanw eykairia apo mia agwgh poy ekane o Dioikhths ths ATE ston k. Kakaoynakh gia dhmosieyma toy. Dedomenoy oti ap` o,ti qymamai egw kai doyleya tote se dyskolo magazi, ayth h istoria, dhmosieyma poy mas enoxlei kai kanoyme agwgh htan synhqeia kapoiwn allwn etwn, palaioterwn kai kapoiwn allwn kybernhtikwn praktikwn. Eseis topoqethste se ayto to qema; Qelw na pw, mexri poy fqanei h eleyqeria toy dhmosiografoy, otan apokalyptei alhqina stoixeia sto reportaz toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei h eleyqeria toy dhmosiografoy, thn opoia kai sebomaste oloi. Yparxoyn kai oi nomoi stoys opoioys mporei na prosfygei kaqe poliths poy qewrei oti qigetai.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Nai, alla aytos einai kratikos leitoyrgos kai kati ekproswpei, omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dhladh, na mhn throyntai oi nomoi gia toys kratikoys leitoyrgoys; Ean qewrei oti qigetai kai prepei na ajiopoihsei to nomo, einai syntagmatiko dikaiwma toy na to prajei.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa moy epitrecete mia kapws proswpikh erwthsh. Ayrio to brady, meta th synenteyjh poy qa dwsei o Prwqypoyrgos kai poy fantazomai oti qa eiste ki eseis@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa apanthsw se proswpikes erwthseis, opote den jerw ean qelete na thn ypobalete.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa pate sthn agrypnia poy qa kanoyn stis Ekklhsies, gia na jorkisoyme thn krish;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eipa, den apantw se proswpikes erwthseis. Mesa moy, to aisqhma moy gia thn pisth einai poly isxyro.

GALIATSATOS: H prwth erwthsh einai ean h kybernhsh qa symmetasxei sthn agrypnia. H deyterh erwthsh afora mia synenteyjh poy edwse shmera h ka Giannakoy sta NEA kai leei oti: den thn anhsyxei h Ekklhsia, alla h Dikaiosynh. Me dedomeno oti exete kanei hdh parembaseis sth Dikaiosynh, ti einai ayto poy anhsyxei thn kybernhsh akomh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw diabasei to sygkekrimeno apospasma sto opoio anafereste. Diafwnw, bebaiws, me ton oro ``parembaseis'' poy xrhsimopoihsate. H kybernhsh ekane protaseis kai phre kapoies apofaseis gia ryqmiseis se qemata ths Dikaiosynhs. Epeidh o oros ``parembash'' exei mia allh politikh ennoia, gi ayto krinw skopimo na to dieykrinisw.

GALIATSATOS: Gia thn agrypnia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa, hdh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H erwthsh toy synadelfoy einai ean mporoyn na pane stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn agrypnia, ean exoyn to eleyqero na pane.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ap` o,ti hjera mexri twra den xreiazetai h adeia kanenos, eite einai politikos, eite dhmosiografos gia na parakoloyqhsei, me bash ta pisteyw toy kai ta qrhskeytika aisqhmata toy, th leitoyrgia sthn Ekklhsia.

KAKALHS: Ston enan xrono galazias diakybernhshs, pws ektimate th stash ths hgesias toy PASOK, apenanti sthn kybernhsh, htan epoikodomhtikh kai ypeyqynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Gewrgios Papandreoy eixe pei sth dekaetia toy 1960 oti, oso pio kalh einai h antipoliteysh, toso kalyterh ginetai kai h kybernhsh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qelw na to rwthsw apo kairo, alla brhka eykairia me esas edw sto press room, giati isws den to hjere o k. Antwnaros: Mesa sth lista me toys dhmosiografoys poy dwsate sthn ESHEA, gia poio logo den yparxoyn onomata dhmosiografwn poy ergasthkan h synergasthkan me to Megaro Majimoy epi Kwsta Shmith;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei o,ti problepetai apo to Proedriko Diatagma 60/1997, tipote ligotero, tipote perissotero.

XIWTHS: Me aformh to zhthma poy eqese o synadelfos, o Organismos ``AQHNA 2004'' problepetai na steilei lista me apasxoloymenoys dhmosiografoys, kai to epraje;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh dhmosiws gia to qema sth deyterh synanthsh poy egine sto Zappeio me tis Enwseis Syntaktwn. Yparxei nomikh aitiologhsh, h opoia eixe anaferqei kai se antistoixh erwthsh sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. O Organismos ``AQHNA 2004'', ejaireitai. Ayth th nomikh aitiologhsh exoyn steilei armodiws kai sth Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias. Thn idia aitiologhsh eixan steilei tote kai sthn Proedro ths Boylhs.

BLAXOS: Den exw katalabei, amfisbhteitai h ergasia twn dhmosiografwn se ena gegonos san ton ``AQHNA 2004''; Egw den hmoyn mesa se aytoys poy ergasthkan, alla exoyme fqasei sto antiqeto akro ayths ths istorias. Kapoioi synadelfoi ergasthkan kai malista para poly sklhra. Den katalaba, kako einai na ginetai ayto to pragma; Daimonopoieitai h ergasia pia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei epiqetika se ayto poy lete apo thn prwth stigmh.

Eyxaristw poly.

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