Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-03-03

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Aqhna, 3 Martioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei, ayrio stis 10 to prwi, sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Albanias Fatos Nano. Stis 11.30, qa dexqei thn Proedro ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn ``Aqhna-2004'' k. Gianna Aggelopoyloy.

To Sabbato, 5 Martioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei stis 12.30, sto Megaro Majimoy, me to boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Iwannh Kefalogiannh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, opws exete katalabei kai eseis, exei dhmioyrghqei meizon koinwniko zhthma kai endokybernhtikh anataraxh me to qema twn anadromikwn toy LAFKA. Mporeite na mas peite se poio stadio einai twra, an exei lhfqei kapoia telikh apofash h an yparxei kapoia synennohsh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy k. Alogoskoyfh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, prokeimenoy to zhthma ayto na lyqei dia politikhs apofasews me thn ekdosh enos nomoqethmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn akribws osa eipame xqes. H kybernhsh exei analabei sygkekrimenh desmeysh me sygkekrimeno periexomeno. H desmeysh ayth ejakoloyqei na isxyei sto akeraio.

MPOTSARAKOS: Symfwna me th desmeysh sas xreiazetai mia dikastikh apofash. Omws, sth dhlwsh poy kanate xqes anaferqhkate sto PASOK oti katadikase toys syntajioyxoys na plhrwnoyn thn eisfora toy LAFKA. Kata synepeia, h kybernhsh qewrei oti oi syntajioyxoi den ofeilan na plhrwnoyn ayth thn eisfora. Giati, loipon, xreiazetai dikastikh apofash gia na paroyn ta xrhmata poy eseis pisteyete oti den ofeilan na parakratoyntai apo th syntajh toys;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to exoyme ejhghsei epaneilhmmena. H Nea Dhmokratia eixe analabei proeklogika th desmeysh na katarghsei me amesh apofash thn katabolh twn eisforwn toy LAFKA, to opoio kai epraje xwris kaqysterhsh. To qema twn anadromikwn proekyce sth diadromh kai h kybernhsh, me dikh ths prwtoboylia, me dikh ths qelhsh, xwris kaneis na thn piesei, anelabe ayth th sygkekrimenh desmeysh. Ayth th desmeysh, otan epelqei to gegonos poy molis sas eipame, h kybernhsh qa th sebastei sto akeraio. Allwste, epeidh polys logos ginetai gia thn aposyrsh ths sygkekrimenhs prosfyghs, me thn en logw aposyrsh den eperxetai sthn oysia kamia kaqysterhsh. Yparxei edw sygkekrimenh allh ypoqesh, h opoia se 18 hmeres qa syzhthqei. Synepws, ``kontos calmos allhloyia''.

MPOTSARAKOS: Ston idio baqmo;

ANTWNAROS: Qa th deite.

PALAIOLOGOS: Efoson, loipon, se 18 hmeres qa yparjei ekdikash allhs ypoqeshs -kai malista apo o,ti gnwrizw sto Dioikhtiko Efeteio- toy k. Dhmhtrh Triantoy, yparxei proqesh ek meroys toy Dhmosioy, to opoio ekproswpei h kybernhsh, na paraithqei twn endikwn meswn kai na dieykolynei sthn oysia se mia eynoikh apofash;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na parw qesh se otidhpote exei sxesh me th Dikaiosynh, otan malista prokeitai gia mia ekkremh ypoqesh.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Ti einai ayto poy qa allajei mesa se 18 hmeres, etsi wste an yparxei mia apofash poy afora thn apodosh twn anadromikwn toy LAFKA, ti einai ayto poy allazei mesa se 18 hmeres kai giati 18 hmeres nwritera kai h kybernhsh gia na mhn sernetai ayto to qema den proxwra se nomoqetikh ryqmish kai deyteron, qelw na epanalabw an yparxei proqesh na doqoyn ta anadromika.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei epaneilhmmenws. H kybernhsh se anypopto xrono anelabe mia sygkekrimenh desmeysh. Ayth h desmeysh, me tis parametroys poy perilambanei, ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Na to qesw diaforetika. Gia na fygei apo ayto to politiko kostos poy en pash periptwsei yparxei, einai yparkto, den kanei kati nwritera twn 18 hmerwn poy kai pali einai Dioikhtiko Dikasthrio. Qelw na pw, oti den telesidikei.

ANTWNAROS: Mia kybernhsh prepei na einai synephs se osa leei. Kai ayth h sygkekrimenh kybernhsh einai synephs se osa leei.

PAPAGIANNHS: Yparxei o kindynos, meta apo ayta poy akoysame kai shmera to prwi se thleoptikes ekpompes, ean aporrifqei h prosfygh, ean dhladh h dikastikh apofash den einai symbath me thn prwth, na kathgorhqeite gia parembash sth Dikaiosynh. To gnwrizete ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn alles 35 ypoqeseis toy LAFKA, oi opoies ekkremoyn pros ekdikash sto Elegktiko Synedrio. Sas eipa kai xqes oti yparxoyn para polles ypoqeseis. Aytoi poy anhsyxoyn, as mhn anhsyxoyn. Den yparxei logos, ek twn ysterwn, na xynoyn ``krokodeilia dakrya'' aytoi poy eixan ypoxrewsei toys Ellhnes syntajioyxoys na plhrwnoyn kai to 1998 kai to 1999 kai to 2000 kai to 2001 kai to 2002 kai to 2003 kai to 2004 to LAFKA kai toys eixan katadikasei na synexizoyn na plhrwnoyn mexri to 2007. H shmerinh kybernhsh stamathse ayth thn katafwrh adikia.

IWANNOY: Me aformh xqesinh erwthsh boyleytwn toy PASOK, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean eseis gnwrizete ayth th sygkekrimenh periptwsh toy k. Gkonh, tews boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias kai an gnwrizete, opws rwtoyn kai oi boyleytes toy PASOK, an kai ekeinos exei aposyrei thn prosfygh toy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh.

SIDERHS: Tosos qorybos egine, toso kathgorhsate to PASOK kai kanate thn apografh poy basika htan h logistikh apeikonish twn ejoplismwn. Diabazw se ena apokalyptiko reportaz toy synadelfoy Loyka Dhmaka sta ``NEA'' oti thn idia meqodo xrhmatodothshs twn agorwn oplwn gia thn opoia h kybernhsh eixe kataggeilei to PASOK oti th xrhsimopoiei gia na paraplanhsei tis statistikes yphresies ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, yioqetoyn kai ta ypoyrgeia Amynas kai Oikonomikwn gia th xrhmatodothsh ejoplistikwn programmatwn. Ayto einai ena daneio, to opoio ta dyo ypoyrgeia Oikonomikwn kai Amynas, anti na eggracoyn ston trexonta Proypologismo qa to metakylhsoyn stoys epomenoys. Opote h epomenh kybernhsh, meta apo tria-tessera-pente xronia qa ypostei ayta poy yposthkate kai eseis.

ANTWNAROS: Poia einai h erwthsh sas;

SIDERHS: Einai dynato na kataggellete to PASOK, na kanete tosh fasaria gia th logistikh apeikonish twn ejoplismwn kai na kanete to idio;

ANTWNAROS: Aytos einai dikos sas isxyrismos. Eseis monos sas apokalesate thn apografh ``logistikh apeikonish''. H kybernhsh diafwnei kaqeta me ayth thn yper-aploysteytikh proseggish. H apografh einai h pragmatikh kai oxi h logistikh apeikonish ths dhmosionomikhs katastashs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Kai ayto einai poly perissotero apo mia aplh logistikh apeikonish. Ayto to opoio eipate oti afora mono sthn eggrafh twn dapanwn gia qemata amynas, epishs den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. To exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws, to exoyme tekmhriwsei epaneilhmmenws kai, to kyriotero, to exoyn apodexqei oi Eyrwpaioi etairoi mas. Ayta einai stoixeia poy kanenas pleon den amfisbhtei. Den nomizw oti xreiazetai peraiterw epejhghsh.

SIDERHS: Isxyei to dhmosieyma;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to sygkekrimeno qema poy egeirete, parakalw apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

SIDERHS: Den mporw, giati einai kybernhtiko qema. Emplekontai dyo ypoyrgeia, ara einai kybernhtiko qema.

ANTWNAROS: Eiste empeiros dhmosiografos, exete kales phges. Den exete, para na apeyqynqeite kai sta dyo ypoyrgeia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Otan kybernhtika stelexh, peri to Dekembrio, sthn oysia proetrepan toys syntajioyxoys na mhn kataqetoyn aithseis prosfyghs gia thn ypoqesh twn anadromikwn toy LAFKA, eixan elqei se synennohsh me ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Parakalw, gia mia akomh fora, na stamathsete na emplekete ton Prwqypoyrgo. Eixa xqes mia safh topoqethsh s` ayth thn aiqoysa, h opoia apo orismena Mesa Enhmerwshs egine antikeimeno esfalmenhs ermhneias. Eipame kai xqes oti o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwqhke gia tis ejelijeis, meta apo thn energeia toy sygkekrimenoy syntajioyxoy, dhladh meta apo thn aposyrsh ths prosfyghs. Ayto einai safes kai den xwrei kamia apolytws amfisbhthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, allo rwthsa. Rwthsa gia sygkekrimena stelexh, katonomazw ton Ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs -den exw kanena problhma- o opoios sthn oysia, se kapoio eggrafo toy proetrepe tote na mhn prostrexoyn oi syntajioyxoi giati, oytws h allws, me thn prosfygh toy enos, toy opoioy anwnymoy h epwnymoy, den yphrxe logos na prosfygoyn kai oi alloi syntajioyxoi kai na xrhsimopoihsoyn endika mesa. Kai lew otan ta sygkekrimena kybernhtika stelexh proetrepan toys syntajioyxoys na kanoyn ayto to pragma, gnwrizan tis synepeies, endexomenws, ayths ths energeias;

ANTWNAROS: Allo pragma me rwthsate. Sas apantw loipon sthn erwthsh sas, opws th qetete twra. H desmeysh thn opoia exei analabei h kybernhsh, kai to lew gia mia akomh fora, einai oti otan exoyme dikastikh apofash gia to sygkekrimeno qema peri LAFKA, tote qa paroyn pisw ta anadromika oloi oi syntajioyxoi ths idias omadas h ths idias kathgorias. Synepws, den yphrxe logos na prosfeygoyn dekades h ekatontades xiliades anqrwpoi, na ypoballontai se ejoda, prokeimenoy na kataqesoyn tis prosfyges, tis enstaseis h otidhpote allo.

PAPAGIANNHS: Jerete oti yparxei to endexomeno na exoyme allhlosygkroyomenes apofaseis dikasthriwn, gia diaforetikes dhladh periptwseis syntajioyxwn. Mporeite na mas dieykrinisete se ayth thn periptwsh, ti qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den mporw na dieykrinisw, oyte bebaia na sxoliasw ek twn proterwn endexomenes apofaseis dikasthriwn. Alla, epeidh sas eipa oti yparxoyn para polles periptwseis, den yparxei qema na mhn ekdikastoyn kai malista syntoma tetoies ypoqeseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Ep` aytoy kai ws pros to diadikastiko, as mh mpoyme sto erwthma gia to an yparxoyn diaforetikes apofaseis. As ypoqesoyme oti bgainei mia apofash poy einai kai telesidikh. Meta, qa ginei kapoia nomoqetikh ryqmish@

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa ligo prin erqete sthn aiqoysa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh oikonomia eixe dynatothta na antejei na doqoyn ta xrhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Otan yposxontai kati h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai to ellhniko Dhmosio, antapokrinontai se osa exoyn yposxeqei.

SOYGLERHS: Tote, loipon, giati h kybernhsh den pairnei mia politikh apofash na jeperasei ayth th dyskolia;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa s` ayto to erwthma epaneilhmmenws. H kybernhsh analambanei sygkekrimenes desmeyseis. Basei twn desmeysewn aytwn, sto perigramma twn desmeysewn aytwn, kineitai.

POYLIDOY: Mia dieykrinish, sthn apanthsh sas ston k. Gkoytzanh. Katalabame oti h kybernhsh desmeyetai, an bgei mia tetoia apofash. Diadikastika ayto pws qa efarmostei gia toys alloys dikaioyxoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti qelete na peite.

GKOYTZANHS: O k. Mhtropoylos eipe shmera oti prepei na yparjei opwsdhpote kapoia ryqmish@

ANTWNAROS: As yparjei prwta dikastikh apofash kai meta qa deite thn topoqethsh ths kybernhshs.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh, eipate ki eseis, oti an dikaiwqei kapoios, h koinwnikh omada, h ergasiakh, h syntajiodotikh sthn opoia anhkei, qa ths kataballetai to poso. Den einai aytonohto oti oi ypoloipes omades poy epishs to dikaioyntai kai epishs to katebalan paranoma, opws exete pei eseis, qa diekdikoyn ayta ta xrhmata; Giati na perimenoyn; Sthn oysia pame se mia katabolh merismatikh, san doseis, kaqe omada qa ta pairnei liga - liga, endexomenws giati den yparxoyn sta tameia ta xrhmata. Den qa yparjei antidrash apo alles koinwnikes omades;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h desmeysh ths kybernhshs, opws akribws thn exei diatypwsei epaneilhmmenws, xqes, prin apo treis mhnes, prin apo ena mhna. Sth desmeysh ayth, tipota den allazei.

POYLIDOY: Se ti ariqmo anaferetai ayth h desmeysh;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to idio qema. Xqes diatypwqhke apo ton Yfypoyrgo Apasxolhshs, k. Giakoymato, mia apoch, xrewnontas, bebaiws, laqh politika, alla eipe xarakthristika oti kapoioi epaijan epikoinwniaka me toys ergatologoys kai oti aporei me ta neyra toy Karamanlh kai me thn ypomonh toy. Mporeite na moy dwsete mia ejhghsh, an ton exete rwthsei, ti akribws ennoei, gia politika paixnidia me ergatologoys;

ANTWNAROS: Mhn perimenete na sxoliasw dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Giakoymatos. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston idio. O k. Giakoymatos einai poly prospelasimos anqrwpos kai exete th dynatothta na synomilhsete mazi toy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh, poioys ennoei@;

ANTWNAROS: Molis sas apanthsa.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mporeite na epibebaiwsete h na diaceysete tis plhrofories, oi opoies anaferoyn oti thn Trith, sth synenteyjh Typoy, sthn Enwsh Antapokritwn Jenoy Typoy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa analabei politikh prwtoboylia gia thn epilysh toy zhthmatos me toys syntajioyxoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw kamia tetoia prwtoboylia.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema toy LAFKA, epeidh oloi oi synadelfoi milame me syntajioyxoys, emena, loipon, moy eipan -epeidh erxomai sthn politikh enhmerwsh- na sas kanw thn ejhs safh erwthsh: Gia poio logo, afoy paranoma ta plhrwnan symfwna me thn kybernhsh sas, xreiazetai na talaipwroyntai sta dikasthria kai na perimenoyn xronia gia na paroyn ta xrhmata poy kakws katebalan; Mporeite na dwsete mia safh apanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw ejhghsei: Dioti ean h kybernhsh den eixe analabei ayth th sygkekrimenh prwtoboylia, den qa yphrxe fws sto baqos toy orizonta. H kybernhsh monh ths anelabe thn prwtoboylia gia na katabalei ayta ta xrhmata, otan epelqei to sygkekrimeno gegonos.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Epeidh eisprattoyme se epipedo plhroforiwn th dysforia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia ola osa symbainoyn kai me to LAFKA kai me alla epikoinwniaka qemata k.lp., tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei oti eipa prin apo dyo-treis hmeres. Tipota den exei allajei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh me th filologia gia to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA, exoyn teqei oroi h proypoqeseis apo thn amerikanikh pleyra sxetika me ton programmatismo kai ton tropo me ton opoio endexetai na synanthqei o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos me ton Amerikano Proedro Mpoys;

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy ta synagete ola ayta ta pragmata; Den yparxei tipote pros anakoinwsh, ayth th stigmh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxoyn sxetika dhmosieymata poy miloyn gia oroys.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipote tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh mas deijate ayth thn agwgh poy exei ginei gia to LAFKA, ayth h agwgh afora toys asfalismenoys sto IKA. Otan bgei ayth h apofash, ean einai qetikh, qa to paroyn kai oi dhmosioi ypallhloi;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. Sas eipa oti yparxoyn para polles ekkremeis ypoqeseis. Isxyoyn ola osa exoyme pei. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo sto sygkekrimeno qema.

MPOTSARAKOS: Rwtw epaneilhmmenws, alla apanthsh den pairnw oyte apo esas, oyte apo ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias. Protiqetai h kybernhsh na kataqesei tropologia gia na ejaireqoyn 430 ekatommyria eyrw apo ton isologismo toy ``AQHNA-2004'', wste na mhn einai elleimmatikos;

ANTWNAROS: Prwta ap` ola, to sygkekrimeno qema poy qijate shmera, alla kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, afora mia ryqmish ths opoias oles oi leptomereies einai akoma se syzhthsh. Prokeitai gia mia logistikh taktopoihsh enos qematos, to opoio einai poly eidiko kai en pash periptwsei den exei kamia apolytws sxesh me thn ektamieysh newn xrhmatikwn poswn. Prokeitai gia xrhmata poy exoyn doqei, oytws h allws, kata ta eth 2003-2004 sthn Organwtikh Epitroph toy ``AQHNA-2004'' kai synepws exoyn hdh ektamieyqei pro polloy. Oytws h allws, o ``AQHNA-2004'' qa syntajei ton isologismo ths kai qa ton ypobalei akoloyqwntas oles tis diadikasies.

MPOTSARAKOS: Den moy apanthsate omws. Ta xrhmata ayta qa emfanizontai ston isologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Afoy ta xrhmata ayta exoyn eispraxqei.

MPOTSARAKOS: Ara, h ryqmish ayth se ti wfelei;

ANTWNAROS: Einai logistikh. Epanalambanw: Den prokeitai gia kainoyrgia lefta, ta opoia qa bgoyn apo to dhmosio tameio kai qa pane ekei. Prokeitai aplws gia to pws qa xarakthristoyn. Gi ayto kai sas eipa, xqes kai proxqes, na apeyqynqeite gia akribesteres kai egkyroteres plhrofories, oson afora stis leptomereies toy sygkekrimenoy qematos, sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

MPOTSARAKOS: Epeidh yparxei kai to qema toy LAFKA kai ta 800 ekatommyria eyrw ki edw milame gia panw apo ta misa xrhmata, 430 ekatommyria eyrw, den qa fainontai ston isologismo. Einai, dhladh, epixorhghsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sygkrinete dyo qemata poy den exoyn sxesh. Ejakoloyqeite na epimenete oti den qa fainontai ston isologismo. Epanalambanw: Einai xrhmata poy exoyn ektamieyqei, kata ta eth 2003-204. Den einai xrhmata poy qa bgalei twra apo to tameio toy to ellhniko dhmosio gia na ta dwsei. Synepws, prokeitai mono gia ton tropo me ton opoio ayta ta xrhmata qa eggrafoyn logistika.

MPOTSARAKOS: Gia na mhn einai elleimmatikos o isologismos. Ean einai epixorhghsh den qa fainetai elleimmatikos o isologismos, qa fainetai isoskelismenos. Ean, omws, den einai epixorhghsh, qa emfanistei elleimma 430 ekatommyria eyrw.

ANTWNAROS: Ta xrhmata exoyn doqei oytws h allws. Den yparxoyn sta tameia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Den kaleitai to ellhniko dhmosio na katabalei kainoyrgia posa. Kai epeidh to syndesate me to LAFKA, den exei kamia apolytws sxesh to ena me to allo.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Giati, dhladh, na mhn fainetai oti ayta ta xrhmata ektamieyqhkan ekei. Ean parei th morfh poy leei o synadelfos den qa fainetai. Giati na mhn fainetai oti phgan tosa xrhmata ekei; Toylaxiston na fainetai gia thn istoria. Sto katw-katw den ta edwse h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, egw den anaferqhka se kamia kybernhsh. Oi Olympiakoi Agwnes poy eginan persi, einai ypoqesh olwn twn Ellhnwn. Ta xrhmata ta edwse to ellhniko dhmosio.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Doqhkan. H ryqmish, omws, qa mporoyse kallista na xarakthristei apo emas, ws ``mageirema''. Ayto leei tosh wra o synadelfos.

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew oti den yparxei tetoio qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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