Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-15

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Aqhna, 15 Febroyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, synexizontas ton kyklo twn epafwn toy me boyleytes toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, qa synanthqei diadoxika, ayrio to meshmeri, me toys kyrioys Taso Sphliopoylo, Dhmhtrh Kwnstantara, Petro Mantoybalo, Andrea Lykoyrentzo, Giwrgo Blaxo kai Leyterh Zagorith.

Thn Pempth (17/2), stis 10.30 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos kai Ypoyrgos Politismoy qa exei synergasia, sto Megaro Majimoy, me thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete thn prosfath episkech Amerikanwn epixeirhmatiwn sta katexomena, kata parabash toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai toy koinotikoy kekthmenoy. Etsi, sthn oysia oi Amerikanoi anagnwrizoyn emmesa ta katexomena. Kai, epishs, qa hqela na sxoliasete thn prosfath episkech toy k. Nikoy Anastasiadh sthn Toyrkia, opoy eixe kai synomilies me ton k. Erntogan. Ena gegonos poy exei dhmioyrghsei dysareskeia, qa elega, sthn kypriakh kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora sto prwto qema, ej oswn gnwrizw, prokeitai gia programmatizomenh episkech. Staqerh qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai oti opoiadhpote energeia syntelei sthn oikonomikh anaptyjh ths Kyproy einai kalodexoymenh me tis ejhs, omws, proypoqeseis:

Prwton, opoiadhpote prwtoboylia prepei na einai synnomh. Na kineitai, dhladh, sto plaisio toy organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, o opoios anagnwrizei ws monadikh nomimh kybernhsh thn kybernhsh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias. Kai,

Deyteron, opoiesdhpote tetoies prwtoboylies h energeies prepei na enqarrynoyn kai oxi na apoqarrynoyn tis prospaqeies gia ejeyresh mias monimhs, dikaihs kai koina apodekths lyshs sthn Kypro.

Oson afora, sthn episkech toy k. Anastasiadh: Oles oi epafes poy synteloyn sthn antallagh apocewn einai qetikes. Oyte, omws, prepei na ypokatasthsoyn, oyte mporei na qewrhqei oti ypokaqistoyn thn anagkh gia synomilies metajy twn kybernhsewn, sthn prospaqeia gia ejeyresh lyshs sto Kypriako.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Me thn apanthsh poy moy dwsate, k. Ekproswpe, shmainei oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai antiqeth me ayth thn kinhsh twn Amerikanwn sthn Kypro.

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai ayth poy molis sas anefera.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na rwthsw kati sxetika me tis shmerines dhlwseis toy k. Ebert kai toy k. Mhtsotakh. Sas problhmatizei to gegonos @epeidh gnwrizw oti den sxoliazete tis dhlwseis, toylaxiston, toy epitimoy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias- oti olo kai perissoteroi boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos tassontai sto pleyro toy Arxiepiskopoy;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. O Prwqypoyrgos thn ejefrase sto anwtato dynato epipedo thn perasmenh ebdomada. Ayth h topoqethsh isxyei sto akeraio.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa analabei h kybernhsh kapoia prwtoboylia na teleiwnei ayth h farsokwmwdia me to ``poqen esxes''; Jeroyme to ``esxes'', den jeroyme to ``poqen'' twn boyleytwn.

ANTWNAROS: H syllogh twn sygkekrimenwn stoixeiwn, kaqws kai olh h diadikasia exei anateqei sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Ekeinh einai armodia gia ta stoixeia ta opoia sygkentrwnontai, basei ths isxyoysas nomoqesias, kaqws kai gia th dhmosieysh toys. Parakalw, loipon, opoiadhpote erwthsh exete, sxetika me to qema, na thn apeyqynete sth Boylh.

TSIODRAS: Qa epanelqw stis topoqethseis twn kyriwn Ebert kai Mhtsotakh. H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei oti xreiazetai aytokaqarsh, wstoso dyo paragontes, qa legame, dyo prwhn Proedroi toy kommatos, zhtoyn th sthrijh toy Arxiepiskopoy. Kai qa hqela na rwthsw an h kybernhsh sthrizei ton Arxiepiskopo se aythn thn prospaqeia ths kaqarshs.

ANTWNAROS: Opoiadhpote prospaqeia ginetai gia thn kaqarsh kai thn antimetwpish dysarestwn fainomenwn sthn Ekklhsia exei thn sthrijh ths kybernhshs. Epishs, exei thn yposthrijh @pisteyw- olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn. Ayto einai safes.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy: Pisteyei h kybernhsh oti me thn aytokaqarsh poy prowqei h Ekklhsia antimetwpizontai oi aities poy gennoyn toys ``Giosakhdes'' kai toys ``Babylhdes'';

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se filosofikh analysh toy fainomenoy aytoy. H kybernhsh pisteyei oti oles oi prospaqeies poy ginontai h briskontai se ejelijh, prepei na tygxanoyn ths yposthrijhs olwn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Pote o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs qa enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo gia tis epafes poy eixe me ton Oikoymeniko Patriarxh sto Fanari;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ta stelexh poy ekfrazoyn apoch panw sto Ekklhsiastiko, eite sthrizontas ton Arxiepiskopo, opws oi kyrioi Mhtsotakhs, Ebert, Giakoymatos, sth Boylh, pio sygkalymmena o k. Paylopoylos, einai se synennohsh me thn kybernhsh h ekfrazontai monoi toys;

ANTWNAROS: Mporei kaneis na ypagoreysei se probeblhmena stelexh, prwhn arxhgoys ths Neas Dhmokratias, pws qa topoqethqoyn se ena shmantiko qema;

GKOYTZANHS: Anefera kai ypoyrgoys oxi monon prwhn Proedroys.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei dhmosia. Ayth h topoqethsh ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sth diadikasia aytokaqarshs ths Ekklhsias symperilambanontai kai aytes oi istories poy exoyme maqei, sxetika me ta Ierosolyma kai olo ayto to polypraktoriko skhniko poy exei sthqei kai to opoio ephreazei thn ejwterikh politikh; Qewreite oti ayto einai antikeimeno enos ierwmenoy anakrith na to lysei;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa thn perasmenh ebdomada -kai to epanalambanw kai shmera- se qemata gia ta opoia oi Arxes ths politeias krinoyn oti prepei na epemboyn, einai fysiko na epembainoyn. Einai qemata poy jefeygoyn ths armodiothtas ths Ekklhsias kai aforoyn sth leitoyrgia Arxwn ths politeias.

KYRITSHS: En prokeimenw krinete oti prepei;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na krinw pote qa epemboyn, endexomenws, oi dikastikes Arxes. Den einai ths armodiothtas moy. Opws gnwrizete, se mia eynomoymenh politeia yparxei diaxwrismos twn ejoysiwn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: To Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn prokeitai na dwsei thn allhlografia toy prwhn Projenoy sthn Ieroysalhm me thn armodia Dieyqynsh gia ta Ekklhsiastika qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, ston eisaggelea gia to qema toy Babylh;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei anakoinwsh-topoqethsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn sto qema apo thn perasmenh ebdomada.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den leei tipote, k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Gia perissoteres plhrofories parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

POYLIDOY: O k. Papalhgoyras to jerei oti yparxei diaxwrismos ejoysiwn; Giati kapote eixe kalesei ton k. Lino kai toy eixe zhthsei na parembei sthn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai yparxei diaxwrismos. Yparxoyn treis diaforetikes ejoysies. Parola tayta, h keimenh nomoqesia dinei orismenes sygkekrimenes, ej oswn gnwrizw, dynatothtes @egw den qa elega epembashs- lhchs prwtoboyliwn apo to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs.

DEMESOYKAS: An yparjoyn kai nees apokalyceis kai sthn apiqanh periptwsh poy teqei akoma kai qema apomakrynshs toy Arxiepiskopoy, kata th sygklish ths ierarxias eite ths Paraskeyhs eite argotera, h qesh ths kybernhshs poia qa einai sto sygkekrimeno qema;

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

TSIODRAS: Eipate prin oti exei th dynatothta lhchs orismenwn prwtoboyliwn h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den anaferqhka se sygkekrimeno qema. Milhsa genika oti ej oswn gnwrizw basei ths keimenhs nomoqesias, exei ayth th dynatothta. Xwris na eimai bebaios gia thn apolyth orqothta twn nomikwn moy gnwsewn, eimai sigoyros oti o k. Papalhgoyras kineitai apolytws synnoma.

TSIODRAS: Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, qa yparjei parembash apo thn pleyra toy k. Papalhgoyra h apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, giati ap` oso jeroyme brisketai kapoia ereyna se ejelijh. Gia th sygkekrimenh periptwsh, qa yparjei loipon kapoia parembash prokeimenoy na ereynhqoyn ola ayta poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas kai den exoyn na kanoyn me thn Ekklhsia alla exoyn na kanoyn me th drash kratikwn yphresiwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw se ypoqetikh erwthsh. Par` ola tayta, apo dhmosiografikes plhrofories, gnwrizw oti brisketai ereyna se ejelijh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na anaferqeite sthn eisodhmatikh politikh ths kybernhshs meta tis xqesines dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai tis ayjhseis poy edwse ston ypallhliko kosmo, opoy yparxei mia dysareskeia kai legetai oti alla elege ws antipoliteysh h Nea Dhmokratia proeklogika, alla kanei shmera kai malista oti aytes oi ayjhseis poy dinei shmera einai safws mikroteres apo ekeines tis opoies edine to PASOK. Pws apantate;

ANTWNAROS: Arxizontas apo to teleytaio sas erwthma, qa hqela na sas pw oti me monadikh ejairesh thn eisodhmatikh politikh gia to 2004 -h opoia anakoinwqhke to Dekembrio toy 2003 me safh proeklogiko xarakthra- oi kybernhseis toy PASOK edinan ayjhseis kai stoys misqwtoys kai stoys syntajioyxoys oi opoies, opws fainetai apo analytiko pinaka ton opoion eyxaristws qa sas dianeimw, ypoleipontan shmantika apo ton plhqwrismo. Kai kati xeirotero. Oi ayjhseis oi opoies anakoinwqhkan to Dekembrio toy 2003 den enegrafhsan pote ston proypologismo. Na to pw pio apla gia na ginei eykolotera antilhpto: Paei kapoios kai trwei ploysioparoxa se ena estiatorio, toy fernoyn to logariasmo, ekeinos ton afhnei kai feygei. Kai kaleitai na plhrwsei to logariasmo o epomenos pelaths poy xrhsimopoiei to trapezi. O epomenos pelaths, en prokeimenw, einai h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, h opoia thrhse sto akeraio tis yperbolika ploysioparoxes kai safws proeklogikes ayjhseis, tis opoies eixe anakoinwsei h tote aperxomenh kybernhsh toy PASOK. H kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias thrhse fetos sto akeraio ayta ta opoia eixe pei proeklogika alla kai sto kybernhtiko ths programma, toso gia tis ayjhseis stoys misqwtoys, oso kai gia tis ayjhseis stoys syntajioyxoys, oi opoioi pairnoyn safws megalyteres ayjhseis se sxesh me toys misqwtoys. Tonizw gia mia akomh fora kati to opoio den qa koyrazomaste pote na leme: Oles oi desmeyseis qa ylopoihqoyn mexri to telos ths tetraetias, se baqos xronoy. Eidika gia toys misqwtoys kai toys syntajioyxoys, proqesh mas einai me epitaxynomeno ryqmo na sygklinoyn oi apolabes toys pros ton eyrwpaiko meso oro. Ayto qa ylopoihqei.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Me dedomeno oti h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws eipate, brhke xeiroterh eikona ap` oti perimene sta oikonomika dedomena, mhpws ayth h xeiroterh eikona poy brhkate tropopoiei kata ti eite to xronodiagramma eite toys ariqmoys me bash toys opoioys eginan oi proeklogikes desmeyseis;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqoyn, opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, na isxyoyn oi desmeyseis tis opoies exei analabei h kybernhsh. To exei pei kat` epanalhch o Prwqypoyrgos. To eipe kai xqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Epanalambanw ki egw ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs ayto poy eipe kai xqes, apo edw ki o kybernhtikos Ekproswpos k. Roysopoylos.

XONDROS: Qa hqela na epishmanw mia antifash. Kanate logo gia ploysioparoxes ayjhseis to 2003. Aytes tis ayjhseis omws ws antipoliteysh tis eipate ``cixoyla''. Giati den eixate pei oti kanei tis ayjhseis gia proeklogikoys logoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai akribws etsi.

XONDROS: Ayto shmeiwsa apo thn prohgoymenh apanthsh sas.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino poy eixame pei einai oti to poso gia to EKAS qa ftasei se ena sygkekrimeno ycos sto telos ths tetraetias. H desmeysh ayth ejakoloyqei na isxyei. Proeklogikes antiqeta htan oi ayjhseis poy anakoinwse to PASOK gia to 2004. Paroti den eixan eggrafei opws eprepe ston Proypologismo -kati poy einai adiamfisbhthto -kai den eixan ylopoihqei otan egine h kybernhtikh allagh, h nea kybernhsh tis katebale kanonika, para thn kakh oikonomikh katastash poy parelabe.

SIDERHS: Den apanthsate kyrie Ekproswpe. Den tis eixate kataggeilei mono ws proeklogikes. Eixate pei gia ``cixoyla''. Ayto sas anaferei kai o synadelfos, oti yparxei mia antifash. Twra na tis qewreite ploysioparoxes kai tote na tis lete cixoyla.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa molis oti oi en logw ayjhseis eixan yperbolika proeklogiko xarakthra. Oso gia ta ``cixoyla'' sta opoia anafereste, cajte na deite ti akribws eixe apokalesei tote ``cixoyla'' h Nea Dhmokratia.

POYLIDOY: Xqes, eixe pei o k. Roysopoylos oti oi ayjhseis einai panw apo ton plhqwrismo. Opws lene, omws, oi oikonomikoi syntaktes shmera, oi ayjhseis einai panw apo ton plhqwrismo stoys basikoys misqoys kai epikrinoyn thn kybernhsh oti xrhsimopoiei ena trik. Dioti, o misqos poy pairnei o misqwtos, sthn prajh, h ayjhsh thn opoia dexetai, einai katw apo ton plhqwrismo. Ti apantate se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw, loipon: Mexri tis 31 Dekembrioy toy 2004, o plhqwrismos htan sta epipeda toy 2,9%. Aytos o plhqwrismos lambanetai kaqe xronia ws bash gia ton ypologismo twn ayjhsewn. Oi ayjhseis, loipon, poy doqhkan gia to basiko misqo, einai fetos ths tajews toy 3,6%, dhladh 0,7% panw apo ton plhqwrismo, oi ayjhseis de twn synolikwn apodoxwn einai sto 3%, epishs elafra panw apo ton plhqwrismo. To etos 2002, se etos dhladh mh eklogiko, o plhqwrismos etrexe me 3,6%, doqhkan ayjhseis basikwn misqwn sto 4,3%, alla oi ayjhseis twn synolikwn apodoxwn htan sto 2,5%, ypoleipontan dhladh kata 1,1% toy plhqwrismoy. Ayth h kybernhsh, loipon, ylopoiei osa exei proanaggeilei oti qa kanei, oti, dhladh, oi ayjhseis qa einai panw apo ton plhqwrismo.

PAPAGIANNHS: Memfeste, dhladh, to PASOK oti edwse ayjhseis; Dhladh, den qa eprepe na doqoyn h yposthrizete oti gnwrize to PASOK pws qa xasei tis ekloges kai edwse tis ayjhseis gia na tis plhrwsete eseis;

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK se mia apelpida prospaqeia, poy ekane mhpws kai kerdisei ligo apo to xameno edafos, edwse yposxeseis, oi opoies yperebainan tis dynatothtes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Parola tayta, h nea kybernhsh aytes tis desmeyseis -dioti yparxei kai synexeia toy kratoys- tis ylopoihse. Ayto qelw na pw. Kai ayto katadeiknyetai apo to gegonos oti ta prohgoymena eth oi pragmatikes ayjhseis htan poly xamhloteres apo ton plhqwrismo. Ara, oi anakoinwseis to Dekembrio toy 2003 eixan safws proeklogiko xarakthra.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, den katalaba ayto poy eipate prin. Lete oti anakoinwsan ayjhseis gia proeklogikoys logoys, tis opoies h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias ylopoihse, para to gegonos oti den yphrxan lefta sto tameio;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti para to gegonos oti h oikonomikh katastash, logw twn foberwn elleimmatwn, htan kakh. Opws antilambaneste, h ylopoihsh aytwn twn proeklogikwn ejaggeliwn toy PASOK gia ayjhseis, epibarynan akomh perissotero thn oikonomikh katastash.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh to ``den yphrxan lefta sto tameio'' einai bary san ekfrash, apo poy tis ylopoihsate; Den eimai oikonomikos noys, apla anarwtiemai.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h kentrikh kybernhsh kaqe xwras kalyptei tis tameiakes anagkes poy yparxoyn, se takta xronika diasthmata, me daneismo.

XONDROS: Qelw na epimeinw, epeidh edw shmeiwnw sth dhlwsh sas oti ``doqhkan ayjhseis se mia prospaqeia apelpida na kalyfqei to xameno edafos@''

ANTWNAROS: Na kalyfqei ligo apo to xameno edafos.

XONDROS: Nai, ``@pera apo tis dynatothtes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias''. Otan, omws, h antipoliteysh leei ``cixoyla'' to kentriko plegma twn ayjhsewn poy doqhkan, ayto shmainei oti @

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakalesw gia mia akomh fora, na diabasete ti apeklhqh tote ``cixoyla''.

XONDROS: Alla den diabasa tipota, epeidh to exw parakoloyqhsei, den exw dei kamia dhlwsh poy na leei oti htan ayjhseis ``peran twn dynatothtwn ths ellhnikhs oikonomias''. An yparxei mia tetoia dhlwsh, eyxaristws na th doyme. Den yphrxe omws.

ANTWNAROS: Emmenw se ayta poy sas lew.

SIDERHS: Eixe pei tote o k. Alogoskoyfhs ``me daneika''.

ANTWNAROS: ``Me daneika''! Ayto ti shmainei;

SIDERHS: Alla paroti htan ``daneika'' legate oti htan kai ``cixoyla''.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas diorqwsw kai moy einai poly dysaresto poy to kanw: Anafereste se dhlwsh poy eixe kanei tote h kybernhsh gia to EKAS. Mhn ta rixnoyme ola se ena tsoybali.

POYLIDOY: Kai o k. Roysopoylos, xqes, gia to EKAS eipe.

ANTWNAROS: Me thn anakatanomh twn klimakwn wfeloyntai fetos kai apo to EKAS 30.000 Ellhnes polites epipleon. Sas kalw, loipon, na kanete toys ypologismoys sas. Yposthrizete oti aytoi oi Ellhnes polites prepei na mhn wfelhqoyn;

PEPONHS: Thn perasmenh ebdomada eixate apanthsei edw se mia erwthsh, oti to Septembrio, sth DEQ, poy ejaggelqhke h oikonomikh politikh, h kybernhsh den eixe mia plhrh eikona ths oikonomias kai eipe kapoia pragmata perissotera o Prwqypoyrgos. Qelw na rwthsw, to Dekembrio, poy chfisthke o Proypologismos, h eikona ayth eixe jekaqarisei; O Proypologismos sthrizetai se pragmatikh bash kai epomenws ean den ylopoihqei qa fernete kapoia eyqynh kai den qa ta apodidete sthn kakh katastash ths oikonomias poy paralabate;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den apodidete me akribeia osa exw pei kai me ton tropo poy ta exw pei. Deyteron, o Proypologismos, opws sas anefera oles tis prohgoymenes hmeres @to eipe kai o k. Roysopoylos xqes- qa efarmostei aparegklita. H efarmogh toy Proypologismoy qa symbalei apofasistika sth staqeropoihsh ths oikonomias kai thn katapolemhsh twn elleimmatwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Lete oti gia thn adynamia ths Neas Dhmokratias na efarmosei to filolaiko ths programma, eyqynetai h ``kamenh gh'' poy parelabe apo to PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa egw tetoio pragma;

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, ayto katalaba egw. Gia thn ayjhsh toy elleimmatos peripoy kata 2 posostiaies monades poy ofeiletai sth diaxeirish poy ekane h Nea Dhmokratia, apo persi to Martio mexri twra, yparxei kati;

ANTWNAROS: Pws to ypologizete eseis;

GKOYTZANHS: Poso htan to elleimma poy paralabate ton Martio, me ta dika sas dedomena kai poso einai ayth th stigmh;

ANTWNAROS: To elleimma einai ayto poy apotypwnetai ston proypologismo.

GKOYTZANHS: Qymaste poso einai;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes, o k. Alogoskoyfhs sth synenteyjh poy edwse, eipe oti h kybernhsh qa efarmosei ta osa exei yposxeqei mexri to telos ths tetraetias, qetontas, omws, thn proypoqesh na diorqwqei h kakh dhmosionomikh katastash poy parelabe apo to PASOK. Dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Kai pali, den apodidete akribws tis dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Antigrafete dhmosieymata@

GKOYTZANHS: Exw mprosta moy th dhlwsh kai mporoyme na thn diabasoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Parola tayta, epeidh eimaste sigoyroi oti qa beltiwqei h dhmosionomikh katastash, mhn exete kamia anhsyxia oti to programma kai oi desmeyseis qa ylopoihqoyn sto akeraio. Synepws, den yparxei logos gia anhsyxia.

XONDROS: Epi toy parontos, yparxei mia diafora metajy aytoy poy mporw na dwsw kai aytoy poy qa hmoyn ikanopoihmenos ean edina. Se ti fash einai akribws; Dinei ayta poy mporei na dwsei, alla den einai ikanopoihmenh; Ara, qa htan ikanopoihmenh ean edine kati parapanw, alla den mporei;

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh anaferqhkate epaneilhmmena stis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh, parakalw na tis diabasete. Periexoyn ola ta stoixeia poy einai aparaithta gia thn katanohsh toy qematos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh ta periqwria gia to skandalo toy Xrhmatisthrioy steneyoyn kai paei gia paragrafh, mhpws h kybernhsh prepei na proxwrhsei; @H o k. Papalhgoyras na zhthsei apo tis dikastikes Arxes na epispeysoyn dioti qa paragrafoyn kai aytoi oloi poy efagan ta lefta toy kosmakh qa meinoyn etsi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to idio qema xqes h k. Mpoyrmpoylia dhlwse se synenteyjh ths sthn efhmerida ``XWRA'' oti o k. Linos ths eipe kalytera na mhn milhsei. Den qa prepei na epembei o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw dhmosieymata efhmeridwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, paragrafetai to skandalo toy Xrhmatisthrioy, kyrie Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio se ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: Me tis onomastikes ayjhseis aytoy toy ejwpragmatikoy kai eikonikoy plhqwrismoy, h kybernhsh pisteyei oti epace na yparxei h politikh litothtas poy kathggeile proeklogika, poly perissotero poy den proxwrhse oyte sthn timariqmopoihsh ths forologikhs klimakas twn misqwtwn, enw h akribeia sta eidh laikhs katanalwshs kalpazei axalinwth.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den efarmozei kamia politikh litothtas. Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora oti h kybernhsh ayjhse to eisodhma gia diafores kathgories politwn se pososto safws panw apo ton plhqwrismo. Menei de pisth sto programma poy exei anaggeilei kai to opoio qa ylopoihqei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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