Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-08

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Aqhna, 8 Febroyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me mia synenteyjh toy sto ``EQNOS'' shmera o k. Giannhs Barbitsiwths proteinei to diaxwrismo ths Ekklhsias apo to kratos, mia protash poy yioqetei hdh kai olo to fasma ths Antipoliteyshs.

ANTWNAROS: Tetoio qema den tiqetai. To qema ayto syzhthqhke ektenws sthn prosfath anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos kai oi sygkekrimenes diatajeis einai pleon dedomenes.

XIWTHS: Den to syzhtate pros to paron, qa to syzhthsei h kybernhsh an anoijei kai pali zhthma anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos; Giati ayto lene oi politikes dynameis.

ANTWNAROS: Tetoio qema den tiqetai gia thn kybernhsh.

POYLIDOY: Sto dihnekes@

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa molis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epimeinw, omws, se ayto to erwthma. O k. Barbitsiwths, omws, eipe an sto parelqon sthn prosfath anaqewrhsh den eixan wrimasei oi synqhkes, toylaxiston, ayth th stigmh, ayto to xroniko diasthma einai wrimes, mporei bebaiws na ginei mesa apo to plaisio enos eyrytatoy dialogoy kai na syzhthqei kai na proxwrhsei to qema kai na paei pros thn kateyqynsh ayth, toy diaxwrismoy. Dhladh, den pisteyete oti exoyn wrimasei oi synqhkes;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

KORAH: Epeidh o diaxwrismos Ekklhsias @ kratoys synepagetai kai anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, toylaxiston to deytero to skeptetai h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio qema.

KORAH: Oyte anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos.

TSIODRAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe shmera sthn omilia toy den xwroyn symbibasmoi, xreiazontai tolmhres apofaseis. Ti kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs synista tolmhrh apofash gia thn Ekklhsia;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke, metajy twn allwn, ektenws sta sygkekrimena qemata. Opws gnwrizete, h shmerinh synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias htan panhgyrikh, me aformh thn eklogh toy neoy Proedroy ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias to apogeyma. O Prwqypoyrgos tonise oti h anoxh sth diaplokh kai th diafqora einai mhdenikh. Q

a ginoyn ola osa epiballontai, wste na apokatastaqei h empistosynh poy prepei na exoyn oi polites stoys koryfaioys qesmoys ths koinwnias.

TSIODRAS: H erwthsh moy einai safhs. Ti shmainei gia thn kybernhsh tolmhrh apofash. Shmainei na@

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ypagoreysoyme se kanenan ti prepei na kanei. To mhnyma toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs einai safes.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipe o Prwqypoyrgos na einai h anoxh mhdenikh. Dierwtatai kaneis poios enoxleitai apo ayth thn katastash ayto to diasthma, afoy apoysiazei toso h Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, to ESR, qa synexistei poly ayth h katastash; Qa lhfqoyn prwtoboylies; Qelw to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqenas exei ena rolo na diadramatisei sthn koinwnia.

SOYGLERHS: Poios einai aytos o rolos, den ton blepw.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqenas exei ena qesmoqethmeno rolo na diadramatisei.

SOYGLERHS: Giati apoysiazoyn, omws, oloi aytoi kai blepoyme ayto kaqhmerina stis thleoraseis;

ANTWNAROS: Ean kanete tetoia diapistwsh, den exete para na apeyqynqeite stis anejarthtes Arxes poy leitoyrgoyn, opws akribws leei h lejh, anejarthta.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela sas parakalw mia aposafhnish. Shmera, o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy milhse kai genika gia kaqarsh, alla eidika gia thn Ekklhsia eipe epikrotoyme kaqe prospaqeia poy kataballei h Ekklhsia gia aytokaqarsh. Xqes, eseis xrhsimopoihsate ton oro kaqarsh. Ayto afhnei anoixto paraqyro analhchs politikhs prwtoboylias gia ta tektainomena sthn Ekklhsia;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas diabasw th sygkekrimenh paragrafo apo thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy: ``Epikrotoyme kaqe prospaqeia poy kataballei h Ekklhsia gia aytokaqarsh. H kaqarsh ws aitoymeno, alla kai ws ypoxrewsh qa sthrijei oysiastika to qesmo ths Ekklhsias. Gi` ayto den xwrane symbibasmoi, alla xreiazontai tolmhres apofaseis.'' H topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy den xreiazetai peraiterw dieykriniseis.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na sas pw to ejhs: Yparxei endexomeno analhchs politikhs prwtoboylias se periptwsh poy oi eswterikes dynameis ths Ekklhsias den arkoyn gia na odhghqoyme sthn kaqarsh;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis pisteyoyme oti oi qesmoi exoyn th dynamh na proxwrhsoyn se ola ekeina ta bhmata poy apaitoyntai, wste na parameristoyn oi skies poy yparxoyn.

IWANNOY: To diabasate ki eseis akribws @kai moy ekane kai mena entypwsh- sthn prwth paragrafo anaferetai se aytokaqarsh ths Ekklhsias kai amesws meta o Prwqypoyrgos epishmainei ton oro kaqarsh. Giati, xrhsimopoiei dyo diaforetikes lejeis; Ayto nomizw rwthse kai h synadelfos. H aytokaqarsh einai h mia pleyra, h kaqarsh ti shmainei;

ANTWNAROS: Den protiqemai na analysw thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

SARANTAKOS: Dyo erwthseis, k. Ekproswpe: Prwton, o k. Barbitsiwths sth synenteyjh toy sto ``EQNOS'' qetei akomh dyo qemata. To ena dhlwnei eyqews kai ws prwhn ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas exei ena logo parapanw, qa elega, oti h epikoinwniakh eikona poy dinei to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas den einai h kalyterh dynath. Poio einai to diko sas sxolio san ena stelexos ths kybernhshs poy eiste poly chla se ,oti afora sto klimakio ths epikoinwniakhs omadas ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa mpw se leptomereies, sxoliazontas dhlwseis toy k. Giannh Barbitsiwth. Ton gnwrizw para polla xronia, ton ektimw proswpika. Einai ena probeblhmeno stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias, epikefalhs twn Eyrwboyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, exei qhteysei sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai einai fysiko na ekfrazei apoceis. Alimono!

SARANTAKOS: To gegonos oti ena proswpo poy sygkentrwnei oles aytes tis idiothtes, tis opoies eipate, qetei kai qema symbatothtas toy nomoy gia to basiko metoxo me to Koinotiko Dikaio. Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh; Einai ena proswpo akomh kai to prosqetw sth seira twn stelexwn poy exoyn ekfrasei paromoies apoceis.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh -kai to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- einai pepeismenh oti o en logw nomos, o opoios chfisthke apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn, einai kai symfwnos me to ellhniko Syntagma kai symbatos me to Koinotiko Dikaio.

POYLIDOY: Sthn Kypro h Ypoyrgos Ygeias k. Aggelidoy ypoxrewqhke se paraithsh gia mia parembash ths, opws kriqhke sth Dikaiosynh, h opoia htan poly hpia se sxesh me thn parembash toy Arxiepiskopoy sth Dikaiosynh gia emporo narkwtikwn. O k. Papalhgoyras, Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, eixe kalesei ton k. Lino, pro merikwn mhnwn, gia thn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Rwtw, loipon, ean h kybernhsh protiqetai na ypenqymisei sth Dikaiosynh to xreos ths gi` ayth thn ypoqesh, dedomenoy oti yparxei kai prohgoymeno tetoias praktikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Symplekete diafora qemata, ta opoia den antilambanomai ti sxesh exoyn to ena me to allo. Anaferqhkate sthn Kypro, hrqate jana sthn Aqhna. Den prokeitai na sxoliasw osa ginontai sthn Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Den gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno symban. O k. Papalhgoyras, ws Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, epopteyei, opws gnwrizete, thn askhsh ths Dikaiosynhs. Eimai bebaios -opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos shmera- oti oi Ellhnes polites poy apartizoyn to dikastiko Swma, sth megalh pleiochfia toys, epiteloyn me eysyneidhsia kai me sebasmo ston orko poy exoyn dwsei, ta kaqhkonta toys.

POYLIDOY: Phga sthn Kypro, xarh asteismoy, to eipate kai prepei ki egw na yperaspistw ton eayto moy, gia na apodeijw oti ena tetoio peristatiko apotelei meizon politiko zhthma se alles xwres kai aplws edw den qeloyme na to blepoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Den amfisbhthsa to symban poy anaferate oti synebh sthn Kypro. Apla den to exw plhroforhqei. Gnwrizw oti parakoloyqeite ti symbainei sthn Kypro kai oti eiste arista plhroforhmenh. Den eixe kamia ennoia momfhs h amfisbhthshs pros to proswpo sas h diapistwsh poy ekana.

KORAH: Sxetika me tis tolmhres apofaseis poy zhthse emmesws plhn safws o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn Ierarxia, aytes oi tolmhres apofaseis krinei h kybernhsh oti qa eprepe na synodeytoyn kai apo taxyteroys ryqmoys h einai eyxaristhmenh apo ta antanaklastika, ta elaxista poy exei deijei mexri twra h Iera Synodos;

ANTWNAROS: Shmantiko einai na exoyn apotelesmatikothta oi apofaseis.

KORAH: Den exei shmasia an ena qema sernetai gia megalo diasthma;

ANTWNAROS: H apotelesmatikothta xarakthrizetai kai apo ton paragonta xrono.

KORAH: O Prwqypoyrgos shmera sthn omilia toy kai opws mas exei synhqisei edw kai megalo diasthma, akomh ki otan htan sthn antipoliteysh, tassetai yper ths diafaneias. To erwthma moy einai, eji mhnes meta apo to atyxhma toy SINOYK, ti exei ginei ayto to porisma;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

SIDERHS: Akoysa xqes ton k. Papandreoy na tassetai kai aytos yper toy na dienerghqei dhmochfisma gia to qema toy Eyrwsyntagmatos. Dedomenoy oti ayth einai kai h qesh ths Aristeras, ti empodizei thn kybernhsh na tropopoihsei th stash ths kai na epitrecei ston kata ta alla kyriarxo lao na apofanqei se ena toso meizon qema;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa thn perasmenh ebdomada. H qesh ths kybernhshs, loipon, den exei allajei. Sas epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh poly syntoma qa ferei pros epikyrwsh sto ellhniko Koinoboylio ayto poy apokaleite ``Eyrwsyntagma''.

SIDERHS: Exei tosh empistosynh sto lao kai den to katebazei;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na mpw se dialogikh syzhthsh gia to qema.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mhpws mporeite na mas plhroforhsete ean o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias qa apanthsei sthn epistolh poy esteile h ESHEA, gia na gnwrizoyme an thn Pempth telika qa ginei o dialogos;

ANTWNAROS: Qelw na pisteyw oti o dialogos qa pragmatopoihqei. Einai pros to symferon olwn osoi endiaferontai na apokatastaqei h empistosynh, se osoys askoyn to dhmosiografiko epaggelma, na orioqethqoyn oi epaggelmatikes sxeseis toy dhmosiografikoy kosmoy me to kratos.

PAPAGIANNHS: Sthn epistolh ths h ESHEA zhta apo ton Ypoyrgo na apanthsei epi ths oysias, poia qa einai akribws h diadikasia ths syzhthshs gia na symmetasxei h oxi.

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos Epikrateias k. Roysopoylos sthn omilia toy sthn prwth synanthsh, paroysiase me safhneia tis qeseis ths kybernhshs. Den nomizw oti h ESHEA exei jexasei aytes tis qeseis. Oi protaseis poy exei kanei o k. Roysopoylos paramenoyn oi idies.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei ena xroniko orio, me bash to opoio h kybernhsh zhta na oloklhrwqoyn oi diadikasies kaqarshs sto eswteriko ths Ekklhsias; Qewreite oti einai wfelimh h syzhthsh ep` aytoy kai h synexeia twn apokalycewn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. To stoixeio toy xronoy einai shmantikos paragontas gia thn apotelesmatikothta twn xeirismwn. Nomizw oti to aithma twn Ellhnwn politwn gia plhrh apokatastash ths diafaneias kai gia thn apotelesmatikh katapolemhsh ths diafqoras einai safes. Synepws, osoi endiaferontai pragmatika na apokatasthsoyn thn empistosynh twn Ellhnwn politwn stoys qesmoys prepei na to laboyn ypoch toys.

IWANNOY: Ayto poy lete akoygetai ws ena kampanaki, oson afora kai ta xronika oria, oti qa prepei o,ti ginei, na ginei grhgora. An ayto den symbei, qa qelame na jeroyme poia einai h proqesh sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis. H kybernhsh, dia stomatos Prwqypoyrgoy, topoqethqhke me safhneia gia to pws blepei ta pragmata kai pws perimenei na drasoyn osoi exoyn tis eyqynes. Fysika exei thn prosdokia oti oi apoceis aytes, oi opoies den einai apoceis mono toy Prwqypoyrgoy, alla ekfrazoyn kai th megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, qa lhfqoyn ypoch.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oi apokalyceis h oi kataggelies sxetika me ta tektainomena sto xwro ths Ekklhsias aggizoyn akoma kai ta anwtata klimakia, dhladh kai ton idio ton Arxiepiskopo. To aithma kai h anagkh gia kaqarsh h gia aytokaqarsh poy epikaleitai h kybernhsh kai proswpika o Prwqypoyrgos, shmainei oti qa prepei ayth h kaqarsh na fqasei h na aggijei akoma kai ton idio ton Arxiepiskopo; Na mh meinei mono se katwtata klimakia@

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na mpw se proswpikes kriseis, oyte prokeitai na kanw kriseis proswpwn. Opws gnwrizete, h Ekklhsia dioikeitai apo ena syllogiko organo, to opoio synedriazei, antimetwpizontas ta qemata kai lambanontas apofaseis.

KORAH: Ti apanta h kybernhsh stis pieseis enos tmhmatos toy poimnioy na symparastaqei sthn Ekklhsia kai ton Arxiepiskopo poy balletai ayth thn periodo;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei gnwmona o,ti akribws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos: Thn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras, thn apokatastash ths diafaneias, thn apokatastash ths empistosynhs twn politwn stoys qesmoys. Mesa se ayta ta plaisia kineitai h kybernhsh me gnwmona ton paramerismo skiwn opoy yparxoyn. O Prwqypoyrgos to katesthse safes.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Leei o Prwqypoyrgos oti prepei na yparjei pantoy diafaneia, pantoy nomimothta, pantoy sebasmos ston polith. Mporeite na mas prosdiorisete pote h kybernhsh qa einai ikanopoihmenh apo olh ayth th diadikasia kaqarshs sto dhmosio bio se oles toy tis ekfanseis; Giati ayto moy akoygetai ligo, eyktaio men alla, aoristo.

ANTWNAROS: Otan qa exoyn ejaleifqei plhrws h diaplokh kai h diafqora. H kybernhsh, apo thn pleyra ths, kanei oti krinei aparaithto. Pisteyw oti ayto einai safes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mporei na protrexw genikotera se oti afora tis ejelijeis sto xwro ths Ekklhsias, alla exei ejetasei h kybernhsh to endexomeno na yparjei mia diadoxh katastash sthn Ekklhsia; Ennow mia katastash meta ton Arxiepiskopo k. Xristodoylo.

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis kai se senaria dhmosiografikhs kai politikhs fantasias.

MIXAHL: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi, san kybernhsh, apo toys ryqmoys, thn taxythta, ton tropo kai to baqos poy pairnoyn oi diadikasies oson afora to xwro ths dikaiosynhs;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws se synafh erwthsh.

MIXAHL: Oxi, egw rwtw gia th dikaiosynh apokleistika.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw: Apanthsa se synafh erwthsh poy ekane h ka Korah. Isxyei h apanthsh moy.

MIXAHL: Wraia. Efoson einai etsi tote na rwthsw to ejhs: eiste to idio ikanopoihmenos gia ton tropo poy antidra kai proxwra olh ayth h diadikasia kaqarshs, aytokaqarshs sthn Ekklhsia;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

XIWTHS: Eipate xqes oti h epikoinwnia kybernhshs kai ths hgesias ths Ekklhsias paramenei kalh alla den krinetai se ebdomadiaia bash. Qelw na rwthsw, synexizei h kybernhsh na qewrei peritth thn anagkh epikoinwnias me thn Ekklhsia@

ANTWNAROS: Egw den eipa oti kati einai peritto.

XIWTHS: Den eipa oti to eipate. Eikazw omws, apo to gegonos oti den yparxei kanenos eidoys epikoinwnia tis teleytaies ebdomades, oti h epikoinwnia ayth pernaei toylaxiston mia krish.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete perissotera pragmata apo mena;

XIWTHS: Na to qesw diaforetika to erwthma: Yparxei proqesh epikoinwnias ths kybernhshs me thn hgesia ths Ekklhsias, ayth thn periodo poy h Ekklhsia dokimazetai;

ANTWNAROS: Ginontai oles ekeines oi epafes oi opoies krinontai, kata kairoys, aparaithtes.

XIWTHS: Ara pros to paron den krinetai aparaithth.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Ginontai kata kairoys oles oi epafes poy krinontai aparaithtes.

XIWTHS: Yparxei kapoioy eidoys epikoinwnia, kyrie Ekproswpe me thn Ekklhsia ayth thn periodo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KORAH: Qa epanelqw sto erwthma moy gia to porisma toy Sinoyk. Aisqanqhka oti poly elafra th kardia mas parapemcate sto Ypoyrgeio Amynas, dedomenoy oti se aythn edw thn aiqoysa epi hmeres syzhtagame ayto to qema h h kybernhsh, eite dia mesoy esas eite dia mesoy toy k. Roysopoyloy, diafhmize oti qa epelqei diafaneia, malista miloyse gia epidosh eyqynwn kai gia ola ayta. Kai twra jafnika exei ginei ypoqesh enos Ypoyrgeioy; Dhladh, den afora to synolo ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: To mono poy mporw na kanw, einai na sas parakalesw na moy dwsete xrono mexri ayrio, wste na enhmerwqw kai na sas apanthsw.

KORAH: Twra kalytera moy ta lete. Eyxaristw.

ANTWNAROS: Ki egw sas eyxaristw gia thn katanohsh.

IWANNOY: Skefteste na kanete dekth thn protash poy kateqese shmera o k. Andrianopoylos graptws, na zhthsete poqen esxes, na epiblhqei to poqen esxes kai stoys ierarxes;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy thn protash. Den prokeitai na sxoliasw kati poy den gnwrizw.

SIDERHS: Me ola ayta, bebaia poy synebhsan me toys dhmosiografoys kai toys ierarxes, jexasame th zeoysa pragmatikothta ths oikonomias. Apotypwnei thn epityxhmenh politikh ths kybernhshs to gegonos oti apo thn 31h qesh antagwnistikothtas, poy hmastan prin apo tria xronia, ftasame sthn 42h;

ANTWNAROS: Den moy einai gnwsta ta stoixeia ta opoia epikaleiste. Kai etsi den mporw na ta sxoliasw.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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