Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-04

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Aqhna, 4 Febroyarioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ontws einai gegonos oti einai ypokritiko to PASOK na sas egkalei, afoy to idio gemise me karabies dikwn toy paidiwn to Dhmosio. Einai omws anamfisbhthto gegonos oti to parasynqhma me th ``galazia grabata'' apekalyfqh. Meta ap` ayto qa allajete parasynqhma;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy kanena parasynqhma. Den antilambanomai se ti anafereste.

SIDERHS: Anaferomai stis kataggelies toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, o opoios milhse gia parasynqhma ``galazias grabatas'' kai th synedee me th synenteyjh poy qa edinan oi ypochfioi gia entajh sto Dhmosio.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papandreoy, profanws, anazhtei diaforoys tropoys gia na apajiwsei to stoixeio ths synenteyjhs, to opoio eisagetai ws ena symplhrwmatiko metro krisews gia thn proslhch atomwn sto Dhmosio. Gnwrizete oti h synenteyjh efarmozetai hdh kata thn proslhch orismenwn omadwn poy prokeitai na apasxolhqoyn sto Dhmosio. Anaferw xarakthristika aytoys poy prokeitai na entaxqoyn sto diplwmatiko swma. Einai apolytws fysiko na ypoballontai se synenteyjh atoma poy prepei na kriqoyn sxetika me to an einai se qesh na diaxeirisqoyn eidikes katastaseis: Prokeitai, dhladh, gia stoixeia ths proswpikothtas poy den mporei na katagrafontai sta aysthra typika prosonta. Allwste, me th ryqmish poy proteinei h kybernhsh, gia prwth fora h synenteyjh qa ginetai apo to ASEP kai opoy krinei to ASEP. Den nomizw na yparxei kaneis poy na amfisbhtei oti o tropos me ton opoio ginontai oi proslhceis apo to ASEP einai adiablhtos.

SIDERHS: Ayto qa ginetai meta thn antidrash toy ASEP, kyrie Ekproswpe, kai thn antidrash ths antipoliteyshs.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, akribws. Den eiste kala enhmerwmenos.

SIDERHS: Prin, eixate qesmoqethsei me to aitiologiko oti ginetai kai gia toys diplwmates -kai prepei na ginetai- giati ekei ajiologeitai kai h proswpikothta kapoioy. Me tis ryqmiseis sas, qa ginotan kai gia toys ydraylikoys h gia tis kaqaristries toy Dhmosioy. Ekei den katanoei kaneis gia poio logo qa eprepe na yparxei synenteyjh.

ANTWNAROS: Anarwtiemai giati h antipoliteysh kai eidika o arxhgos ths, o opoios epaggelletai ton eksygxronismo, einai toso antiqetos se mia meqodo symplhrwmatikwn stoixeiwn, opws einai h synenteyjh, gia thn proslhch atomwn sto Dhmosio, poy efarmozetai eyrytata kai me megalh epityxia se olo ton politismeno kosmo.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhladh h kybernhsh shmera me ayth thn chfish, eblepe oti kapoy ``mpatarise'' o nomos Peponh kai hqele na diorqwsei kati; Den htan sth swsth kateyqynsh h skopeyei se kati allo;

ANTWNAROS: Panw apo saranta fores allaje to PASOK, sth diarkeia ths diakybernhshs toy to nomo Peponh. Tipote den einai teleio kai asfalws polla pragmata einai beltiwsima. Den mporei na epikriqei h kybernhsh giati beltiwnei kati pros to kalytero.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anarwtieste giati o k. Papandreoy antidra sth sxetikh diatajh toy nomosxedioy. Mhpws anarwthqhkate giati antidroyn oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias poy zhtoysan xqes epimonws na aposyrqei h diatajh;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqenas exei to dikaiwma na ekfrazei thn apoch toy.

GKOYTZANHS: Oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai o teleytaios poy qa amfisbhthsw to dikaiwma twn boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys se synanthseis poy exoyn me Ypoyrgoys. H kybernhsh ejhgei @kai eimai bebaios, peistika- gia poio logo eisagontai diafora stoixeia sthn en logw nomoqetikh ryqmish.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, afoy exoyn dikaiwma na exoyn thn apoch toys, den tiqetai qema kommatikhs peiqarxias; Qa afeqoyn na chfisoyn kata syneidhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete na ftasei h wra ths chfoforias sth Boylh.

GKOYTZANHS: Den einai makria, kyrie Ekproswpe. Dyo hmeres emeinan.

ANTWNAROS: As mh dramatopoioyme apoceis poy ekfrazontai apo toys boyleytes se mia synanthsh.

XIWTHS: Kat` arxhn epanalambanete polles fores to epixeirhma oti h synenteyjh hdh efarmozetai sto Dhmosio. Efarmozetai mono gia enan klado: toys diplwmatikoys, o opoios einai enas eidikos klados ychloy epipedoy poy ekproswpei th xwra sto ejwteriko. Den gnwrizw allo klado ston opoio efarmozetai h synenteyjh. Sas parakalw, an yparxei kai deyteros, na mas ton peite.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th stigmh den eimai etoimos na sas apanthsw. Enas logos, pantws, einai gia na efarmostei kai se alloys kladoys. Sas anaferw ayton twn elegktwn enaerias kykloforias. Qa qelate eseis na empisteyqeite @xwris na exw kamia amfibolia oti osoi askoyn shmera ayto to epaggelma, to askoyn me apolyth eparkeia- anqrwpoys, oi opoioi kata thn proslhch den exoyn ypoblhqei se elegxo, metajy twn allwn me th meqodo ths synenteyjhs, ean kai kata poson einai se qesh na diaxeiristoyn eidikes katastaseis;

XIWTHS: To eipate monos sas, oti h synenteyjh exei qespistei sto Dhmosio mono gia logoys skiagrafhshs enos cyxologikoy profil toy ypochfioy. Anarwtiemai gia ton odhgo sta lewforeia h gia thn kaqaristria ti rolo exei to cyxologiko profil.

ANTWNAROS: Gia polles kathgories efarmozetai h meqodos ths synenteyjhs, se oles tis xwres, otan prokeitai na proslhfqoyn.

XIWTHS: Exete pei polles fores, epishs, oti h kybernhsh proxwra me dialogo. Me dedomeno oti toylaxiston 40 boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, xqes, zhthsan apo ton Ypoyrgo na aposyrqei h diatajh, einai profanes oti an ayth h diatajh chfistei, den qa chfistei me th sygkataqesh ths Boylhs, alla me thn anoxh ths. Ayto den problhmatizei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai dikh sas ermhneia.

XIWTHS: Den einai ermhneia, prokyptei apo ta gegonota.

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas den hmoyn parwn sth sygkekrimenh syzhthsh. Kai den nomizw oti hsan kai dhmosiografoi parontes s` aythn.

XIWTHS: Htan parwn o Ypoyrgos, kyrie Ekproswpe, kai mporeite na toy thlefwnhsete, an amfisbhteite.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw logo na amfisbhthsw ta dhmosieymata. Alla eimai sigoyros oti se mia syzhthsh me megalo ariqmo paristamenwn, ekfrazontai apoceis me diafores apoxrwseis.

XIWTHS: Nai, alla an afaireqoyn oi 40, kyrie Ekproswpe, kai prosteqoyn ston ariqmo ths antipoliteyshs, h kybernhsh payei na exei thn pleiochfia ths Boylhs.

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei h telikh chfoforia sth Boylh.

SPYRAKH: qa hqela na rwthsw, ean problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh oi xqesinobradines apokalyceis poy deixnoyn anamijh ths koryfhs ths Ierarxias sto paradikastiko kyklwma.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw se ti anafereste. Den prokeitai na kanw kamia dhlwsh pera apo ayta poy exw pei tis teleytaies hmeres.

SOYGLERHS: Einai dynaton o @Areios Pagos na parapemcei 20 dikastikoys sto peiqarxiko gia paraptwmata kai na mhn apasxolei thn kybernhsh ena toso sobaro qema.

ANTWNAROS: H kaqarsh ginetai stoys kolpoys ths Dikaiosynhs.

SOYGLERHS: Ti prwtoboylies lambanei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS H kybernhsh elabe sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies. Na sas qymisw oti prin apo liges hmeres, o armodios Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs paroysiase desmh 12 metrwn, ta opoia katateinoyn akribws pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. H kybernhsh parakoloyqei fysika osa ginontai se diaforoys tomeis kai lambanei tis prwtoboylies ekeines poy h idia qewrei prosfores.

KAKALHS: Mhpws meta th dysosmia poy exei dhmioyrghqei, epanejetazei h kybernhsh th qesh ths gia to diaxwrismo Kratoys-Ekklhsias h mhpws epimenei sth diaiwnish ths shmerinhs diaplokhs Kratoys-Ekklhsias me o,ti ayto synepagetai;

ANTWNAROS: Qigete ena geniko qema poy den einai epi toy parontos.

KAKALHS: Erxetai sthn epikairothta me dramatiko tropo.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema to opoio apasxolei thn kybernhsh.

POYLIDOY: Gia toys dhmosiografoys lete oti prepei na isxysei aytorryqmish. Gia th Dikaiosynh aytokaqarsh. Sto Asfalistiko to qema prepei na to qesoyn oi koinwnikoi foreis kai h kybernhsh qa to dei meta. Qelw na rwthsw: H kybernhsh, ayth th stigmh, den qetei thn atzenta; H koinwnia thn qetei; Poios einai o rolos ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh bebaiws kai qetei thn atzenta kai analambanei polles prwtoboylies. Sas eipa oti anelabe prwtoboylia o k. Papalhgoyras. Anelabe prwtoboylia o k. Roysopoylos gia to qema twn dhmosiografwn. Oson afora sto asfalistiko, poy qesate, sas einai gnwsth h qesh ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh exei krinei oti prepei na antimetwpisei to qema me ton tropo ayto.

POYLIDOY: O k. Alogoskoyfhs giati zhthse epikairopoihsh toy Staqeropoihtikoy Programmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka ektenws xqes sto qema ayto.

MIXAHL: Giati h kybernhsh aisqanetai thn ypoxrewsh na balei th sygkekrimenh diatajh gia thn synenteyjh kai den afhnei sthn krish toy ASEP -opoy krinei oti xreiazetai eidiko proswpiko- na to qetei apo mono toy stis prokhryjeis poy ekdidei. To erwthma einai poly sygkekrimeno: To ASEP krinei oti gia na kanw anaplhrwth kybernhtiko ekproswpo kapoion qa prepei na exei ``x'' prosonta. Kai metajy aytwn kai th synenteyjh. Gia na kanw kapoion allo, krinei to ASEP, xwris kamia desmeysh apo to nomo den xreiazetai na balw kan ayth th diatajh. Giati eseis to ypoxrewnete na exei ayth th dynatothta;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh krinei -opws sas eipa- oti h diadikasia ayth, h opoia isxyei se olon ton politismeno kosmo, hrqe o kairos na isxysei kai sthn Ellada. H qesh ths kybernhsh einai poly safhs kai den nomizw oti xwraei kamia amfisbhthsh.

MIXAHL: Pws apantate stis kriseis twn boyleytwn sas poy lene oti entajei mpainei h diatajh, alla oi pieseis poy dexomaste apo ta legomena ``dika mas paidia'' einai aforhtes. Ayto pws qa to diasfalisete;

ANTWNAROS: Me to adiablhto twn proslhcewn, to opoio einai ejasfalismeno.

MIXAHL: Sto qema ths Ekklhsias: Mexri twra eidame oti oles aytes oi apokalyceis gia th diafqora sthn Ekklhsia kinoyntan mexri enos epipedoy. Omws, hrqan sto fws zhthmata poy aforoyn proswpika ton Arxiepiskopo, o opoios parenebh gia thn apofylakish h ton metriasmo poinhs kathgoroymenoy gia emporio narkwtikwn. Den einai aplo pragma. To erwthma einai: H kybernhsh, se olo ayto to klima poy dhmioyrghqhke kai fqanei sthn koryfh ths Ekklhsias, den skeftetai na labei prwtoboylia gia na mporesei na dieykolynei thn aytokaqarsh.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh epikrotei tis prospaqeies gia kaqarsh poy kataballontai stoys kolpoys ths Ekklhsias.

LEONTITSH: Dhmosieymata anaferoyn oti o Arxiepiskopos k. Xristodoylos zhta na sygkrothqei epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy, prokeimenoy na allajei h nomoqesia gia ta ekklhsiastika dikasthria. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai aplws gia dhmosieymata. Ayto periexetai se xqesinh anakoinwsh ths Ieras Synodoy, h opoia, metajy twn allwn, qetei dyo qemata: Ena makroproqesmo kai ena braxyproqesmo. Sto braxyproqesmo qema, to opoio exei dyo skelh, h kybernhsh perimenei tis sygkekrimenes protaseis ths Ekklhsias, wste na topoqethqoyn ep` aytwn -afoy bebaiws tis melethsoyn- ta dyo synarmodia ypoyrgeia: To Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn kai to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Sto makroproqesmo qema, dhladh, thn anamorfwsh toy nomoy gia ta ekklhsiastika dikasthria, h kybernhsh den exei, kat` arxas, antirrhsh gia to sxhmatismo ths nomoparaskeyastikhs epitrophs, thn opoia eishgeitai h Ekklhsia ths Ellados. Sth nomoparaskeyastikh ayth epitroph, profanws, qa metexoyn treis pleyres: H Ekklhsia ths Ellados, to Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn kai to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. H epitroph ayth, ean fqasoyme ekei, qa proedreyetai apo eidiko, opws allwste exei symbei kat` epanalhch kai sto parelqon. Proypoqesh, bebaiws, gia na ginoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs ola ayta, einai oi protaseis ths Ekklhsias, oi opoies ayth th stigmh, exoyn perielqei se gnwsh ths kybernhshs apo deltia Typoy. Na perielqoyn me epishmh morfh, dhladh h Ekklhsia na apeyqynqei eggrafws, opws synhqizetai, sta armodia Ypoyrgeia.

MIXAHL: Ti qa einai aytos o eidikos; Ekklhsiastikos paragontas, empeirognwmonas@;

ANTWNAROS: Fer` eipein Kaqhghths Panepisthmioy, anwtatos dikastikos.

MIXAHL: Einai poly shmantiko, ean einai ierwmenos@

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Ap` o,ti blepoyme edw, h aytokaqarsh ths Ekklhsias, thn opoia epikrotei h kybernhsh, periorizetai sto Giosakh, sto Mhtropolith Attikhs Pantelehmona kai kapoies ejhghseis. H kybernhsh qewrei ikanopoihtikh ayth thn aytokaqarsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas ekana dhlwsh prohgoymenws. Den prokeitai na mpw se alles leptomereies poy aforoyn sthn eswterikh leitoyrgia ths Ekklhsias.

GKOYTZANHS: Syggnwmh, k. Ekproswpe, alla den einai eswterika ths Ekklhsias ayta. Aforoyn deka ekatommyria polites.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote pera apo ayta poy eipa.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati, pera apo klhrikoi einai kai polites, oi opoioi emplekontai se ypoqeseis poy mporei na xrhzoyn diereynhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Akoma eimaste se kosmiko kratos, etsi;

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Se poio stadio olhs ayths ths diadikasias aytorryqmisewn diaforwn forewn parembainei h kybernhsh; Dhladh, lete oti to asfalistiko qa to anoijoyn monoi toys oi koinwnikoi etairoi, qa syzhthsoyn, qa mas feroyn protaseis ki emeis qa krinoyme. Oi dhmosiografoi aytoryqmizontai@

ANTWNAROS: Ayto den einai swsto. Thn prwtoboylia phre h kybernhsh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Swsto, alla se poio stadio, leitoyrgika pia, se ola ayta, parembainei h kybernhsh; Dhladh, tis protaseis twn koinwnikwn etairwn, ti qa tis kanei h kybernhsh, otan tis parei;

ANTWNAROS: As ypoblhqoyn prwta oi protaseis, as synennohqoyn oi etairoi, as mas poyn ti qeloyn, ean qeloyn, ti protaseis exoyn kai h kybernhsh meta qa topoqethqei.

MIXAHL: Kai an den qeloyn;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa xqes.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas enhmerwsete, se poio shmeio brisketai o dimerhs dialogos me ta Skopia;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ayto to klima poy yparxei, ayth th stigmh, sthn koinwnia, ayto to klima diafqoras, ikanopoiei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh; Einai mia eikona ths ellhnikhs koinwnias poy sas aresei ws kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Se poion aresoyn tetoia fainomena; Akribws gi` ayto h kybernhsh analambanei ekeines tis prwtoboylies, oi opoies apaitoyntai, wste na antimetwpistoyn tetoioy eidoys fainomena. Ayto, omws, den einai kati to opoio proekyce se mia-dyo ebdomades.

TSIODRAS: Perimenw thn apanthsh sth xqesinh erwthsh, sxetika me ton ypologismo twn stratiwtikwn dapanwn.

ANTWNAROS: Edwse apanthsh, xqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs, gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Den yparxei kamia epistrofh sto parelqon. Gia perissoteres, omws, leptomereies sas parapempw sth xqesinh apanthsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh.

KAKALHS: Poios einai o logos poy h epomenh synanthsh sto Zappeio gia tis epaggelmatikes sxeseis twn dhmosiografwn me to Dhmosio ginetai kekleismenwn twn qyrwn, se antiqesh me thn prwth kai poios einai o logos poy den exei stalei akomh prosklhsh sthn ESHEA;

ANTWNAROS: Prosklhseis exoyn stalei kai mporw na sas diabebaiwsw gi` ayto. Den nomizw oti o dialogos qa ginei kekleismenwn twn qyrwn.

KAKALHS: Qa eimaste mesa;

ANTWNAROS: Apo tis plhrofories poy exw, nai.

GKOYTZANHS: Mia leptomereia: Sth lista poy steilate sthn ESHEA, posa onomata yphrxan;

ANTWNAROS: Ean den me apata h mnhmh moy, 1.050 onomata.

GKOYTZANHS: Alla, apo thn ESHEA dhmosieyqhkan 1.044 onomata.

ANTWNAROS: H lista poy apesteile h kybernhsh sthn ESHEA perilambanei 1.050 onomata.

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