Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-02-01

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 1 Febroyarioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalo mhna.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Yparxei shmera dhmosieymenh ston Typo eishghsh dikasth sto 3o Tmhma toy Symboylioy Epikrateias, poy qigei zhthma antisyntagmatikothtas toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos, basei toy opoioy eginan oi monimopoihseis twn symbasioyxwn. @Hqela na rwthsw pws blepei ayth thn ejelijh h kybernhsh kai an protiqetai na kanei tropopoihseis.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia dhmosiografikes plhrofories, poy den exoyn kamia bash. H kybernhsh antimetwpizei to qema twn symbasioyxwn sto plaisio poy exei analyqei kat` epanalhch sto prosfato parelqon.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw sxetika me tis listes poy paradoqhkan xqes sthn ESHEA. Prwton, an einai ola ta onomata twn dhmosiografwn poy ergazontai sto Dhmosio. Ennow sta Ypoyrgeia k.lp.. Jeroyme th dieykrinish poy edwse xqes o k. Roysopoylos, oti den perilambanotan o eyryteros dhmosios tomeas. Eipe oti qa yparjei mia nomoqetikh ryqmish, wste na perilambanetai sto ejhs. Qa hqela, loipon, na jerw an ayta ta opoia perilambane o nomos mexri twra, perilambanontai kai sth lista. Deyteron, giati den exoyn doqei kai oi amoibes twn dhmosiografwn. Triton, giati leipoyn Ypoyrgeia, opws gia paradeigma to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai tetarton, giati den symperilambanontai oi symboyloi twn Ypoyrgwn.

ANTWNAROS: Oi katastaseis oi opoies doqhkan sthn ESHEA, katopin aithmatos ths, opws problepei to sxetiko Proedriko Diatagma perilambanoyn toys dhmosiografoys ekeinoys, oi opoioi apasxoloyntan kata to etos 2003 sto Dhmosio, symfwna me tis dhlwseis poy ypebalan oi armodioi dhmosioi foreis. H apoch ths kybernhshs einai safhs. Thn paroysiase xqes o k. Roysopoylos, thn epanalambanw kai egw shmera. Prepei olos o eyryteros dhmosios tomeas na ypobalei sxetikes katastaseis sth Genikh Grammateia Epikoinwnias, h opoia exei thn eyqynh na sygkentrwsei ayta ta stoixeia. @Hdh, exoyn apeyqynqei sxetikes epistoles gia symplhrwmatika stoixeia gia to etos 2003, alla kai gia to etos 2004, toy opoioy oi synolikes katastaseis, opws exei allwste anakoinwqei, qa doqoyn stis 5 Aprilioy stis dhmosiografikes Enwseis.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me to deytero skelos toy erwthmatos moy, einai oi amoibes, einai oi symboyloi Ypoyrgwn@

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei safh qesh oson afora sth dhmosiopoihsh twn katastasewn. Kata thn apoch mas, h dhmosiopoihsh twn katastasewn proskroyei sthn prostasia twn proswpikwn dedomenwn. Oi dhmosiografikes Enwseis exoyn ypoxrewsh na kanoyn ekeinh thn antiparabolh poy xreiazetai, wste, ean prokycoyn kata ton elegxo poy qa ginei me bash ta katastatika twn epaggelmatikwn enwsewn kai toys kwdikes deontologias, periptwseis tetoies poy proskroyoyn se aytes tis diatajeis, na proxwrhsoyn h ESHEA h alles dhmosiografikes Enwseis se ekeina ta metra h ta bhmata poy krinoyn prosfora. H kybernhsh den qewrei oti h megalh pleiochfia twn dhmosiografwn, oi opoioi apasxoloyntai ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea exei ena tetoio problhma san kai ayto poy sas anefera prohgoymenws. Alla ayto einai kati to opoio, kata th staqerh apoch ths kybernhshs, exoyn ypoxrewsh, sta plaisia ths aytorryqmishs, na to elegjoyn oi armodies epaggelmatikes enwseis twn dhmosiografwn. Telos, eidika gia to ycos twn apodoxwn, qelw na pw oti einai ena zhthma toy opoioy h dhmosiopoihsh antibainei safws sta peri ths prostasias twn proswpikwn dedomenwn.

TSIODRAS: Lete oti h dhmosiopoihsh proskroyei sto nomo peri prostasias proswpikwn dedomenwn. @Ara, loipon, h ESHEA poy tis dhmosiopoiei, parabiazei to nomo.

ANTWNAROS: H eyqynh den einai syllogikh. O kaqenas ferei to meros ths dikhs toy eyqynhs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh jekinhse prin apo ligo kairo mia istoria gia tis ``mayres listes''...

ANTWNAROS: Den eteqh pote qema ``mayrwn listwn''. Ayth einai dikh sas diatypwsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Oxi, kyrie Ekproswpe. Jekinhse mia syzhthsh gia tis ``mayres listes''. Kai briskontai epaggelmaties na diasyrontai oti, en pash periptwsei, kanoyn kati kako. Otan enas dhmosiografos dhlwnei sthn eforia ta xrhmata poy pairnei, exei ``poqen esxes'', mporoyme na maqoyme kyrie Ekproswpe, giati olh ayth h syzhthsh; Kai en pash periptwsei, egw proswpika poy qa kanw mhnysh kai se poion gia hqikh blabh;

ANTWNAROS: Exete dikaiwma na kanete o,ti krinete eseis skopimo kai wfelimo gia ton eayto sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den diasyrqhkate eseis, kyrie Ekproswpe. Den eiste eseis sta diafora kompioyter, oyte mpainete stis efhmerides.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Mporeite na kanete erwthsh. Edw einai xwros poy ypoballontai erwthseis kai dinontai apanthseis. @Alla qemata na ta qesete ekei poy armozei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Peste moy, loipon, poy na kanw mhnysh. Se sas; Ston kyrie Ypoyrgo; Se poion;

ANTWNAROS: Ean aisqaneste thn anagkh na kanete mhnysh, parakalw na symboyleyteite to dikhgoro sas. Den eimai grafeio nomikwn symboylwn. Kai qa pw kati gia teleytaia fora: H kybernhsh den eqese kanena qema ``mayrwn listwn''. Oi dhlwseis kai h topoqethsh ths kybernhshs htan apo thn arxh safeis. Milhsame gia tis sxeseis twn dhmosiografwn me to kratos. Teleia kai payla. Ayth h sxesh einai antikeimeno diereynhshs.

XONDROS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia tis amoibes, dioti oi dhlwseis perilambanan kai tis amoibes, opote qa eprepe na doqoyn sthn ESHEA gia na yparxei mia sygkrish amoibwn. H kybernhsh qewrei toys ergazomenoys sta Grafeia Typoy twn Ypoyrgeiwn diaplekomenoys;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema twn amoibwn apanthsa. Den exw na prosqesw tipote.

XONDROS: Gia thn erwthsh an qewreite toys ergazomenoys poy parexoyn dhmosiografikh ergasia sta Grafeia Typoy diaplekomenoys ti apantate;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme apanthsei epaneilhmmena gi` ayto to qema. H dhmosiografikh ergasia, opws eipa kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, prwton oyte katadiwketai oyte poinikopoieitai. Deyteron, den einai dikh mas armodiothta na krinoyme poioi syndyasmoi ergasias einai endexomenws epilhcimoi. Ayto einai qema poy qa to krinoyn oi armodies dhmosiografikes enwseis.

XONDROS: To teleytaio diasthma yparxei mia aisqhsh apolyths shchs sthn koinwnia. Blepoyme periptwseis sth dikastikh ejoysia, oti oi dikastes ta pairnoyn, oi dhmosiografoi ta pairnoyn, oi papades ta pairnoyn. Telika h apoch ths kybernhshs einai oti den exei meinei tipota orqio s` ayth thn koinwnia; Dioti pleon mpainoyn zhthmata hqikhs tajhs, otan blepoyme qesmoys na dinoyn mia eikona oti ta panta einai sapia.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth h kybernhsh stoys peripoy 11 mhnes paroysias ths sthn ejoysia apo tote dhladh poy ejelegh, thn 7h Martioy 2004, exei kanei poly perissotera pragmata ap` osa eixan kanei oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis 11 oloklhra xronia gia thn antimetwpish kai thn ejaleich ths diafqoras. H synephs ayth symperifora einai ena xarakthristiko deigma toy tropoy me ton opoion h kybernhsh genika alla kai se eidikoys tomeis exei thn apofasistikothta, th boylhsh kai ta mesa ekeina wste na antimetwpizei fainomena san ekeina poy eseis poly genika kai nomizw aforistika anaferate prohgoymenws.

PAPAGIANNHS: Akoysate xqes tis dhlwseis ths kas Mpakogiannh h opoia zhthse th diaxeirish, thn epistasia twn kentrikwn plateiwn ths polhs;

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia eidiko qema.

PAPAGIANNHS: Einai eidiko qema afora omws tis armodiothtes toy YPEXWDE.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto YPEXWDE.

KOYIN: Mia erwthsh gia ena allo problhma poy klhronomhsate. O Genikos Eisaggeleas toy Eyrwpaikoy dikasthrioy eishghqhke mh desmeytika oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh den ekane arketa gia na parei pisw tis epixorhghseis ycoys 41 ekatommyriwn eyrw poy doqhkan sthn Olympiakh. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Gia poio diasthma milame;

KOYIN: Gia to etos 2002. Exete kapoio sxolio; Giati prospaqei h kybernhsh ap` oso gnwrizw na idiwtikopoihsei ayth th stigmh thn Olympiakh.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete einai se ejelijh ayth th stigmh diadikasia gia thn idiwtikopoihsh ths Olympiakhs. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sas rwthsa, xqes, epanerxomai kai shmera sto qema: Ennea xronia meta thn krish twn Imiwn anarwtiemai ean yparxei kapoio porisma poy dinei tis eyqynes ekei poy prepei gia na jeroyme kai emeis poios eftaije ekeinh thn periodo kai @en pash periptwsei- mphkame se dyskolh qesh ws xwra.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas pw tipota panw se ayto.

TSIODRAS: Den moy exete apanthsei sto giati den perilambanontai oi dhmosiografoi apo ola ta ypoyrgeia kai toys organismoys. Paradeigma, to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

ANTWNAROS: Stis telikes katastaseis qa perilambanontai oloi oi dhmosiografoi poy apasxoloyntai ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea.

GKOYTZANHS: Tote giati ayth h biasynh k. Ekproswpe kai den perimenate na symplhrwqoyn@

ANTWNAROS: H ``biasynh''; Den blepw kamia biasynh.

GKOYTZANHS: Mia stigmh: Eseis ta dwsate sthn ESHEA.

ANTWNAROS: H ESHEA zhthse ta stoixeia kai ta phre, symfwna me tis pronoies toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai. Eseis giati den perimenate na sygkentrwqoyn ola ta stoixeia kai na ta dwsete meta;

ANTWNAROS: Dwsame ta stoixeia ta opoia yparxoyn ayth th stigmh sta xeria mas. H ereyna synexizetai.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Meta apo olh ayth thn istoria poy exei ginei, ``mayres'', ``aspres'' listes kai meta apo th dhmosiopoihsh twn onomatwn, h kybernhsh einai eyxaristhmenh; Dhladh, pleon milame gia ``kaqara xeria''; Einai ola diafanh;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai, ean yparxoyn skies, aytes oi skies na parameristoyn. Kai se ayto akribws katateinei o dialogos poy arxise kai h ereyna poy synexizetai.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: @H na skiasei perissoteroys anqrwpoys.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Oi perissoteroi, h megalh pleiochfia twn dhmosiografwn den exei kanena logo na fobatai skies.

GKOYTZANHS: Anhsyxei h kybernhsh apo ta ektetamena fainomena diafqoras se qesmoys, opws h Dikaiosynh kai h Ekklhsia;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws.

KAKALHS: Mphkame sto deytero mhna toy 2005, alla h kybernhsh den exei anakoinwsei akoma thn eisodhmatikh politikh ths, antigrafontas kai se ayto to qema ta ``kala'' toy PASOK. Poios einai o logos poy kaqysterei h anakoinwsh ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs; Mhpws epeidh prokeitai gia synexeia ths litothtas;

ANTWNAROS: Opws eipe, xqes, o k. Roysopoylos, kaqe pragma ston kairo toy.

GALIATSATOS: Ton perasmeno xrono h kybernhsh eixe dwsei ayjhsh sto EKAS 30 eyrw, thn opoia o shmerinos Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, o shmerinos Ypoyrgos PEXWDE kai mporw na sas ferw kai alles dhlwseis stelexwn, thn eixa xarakthrisei ``cixoyla''. Ta epta eyrw poy dinete eseis, pws ta xarakthrizete;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh ayth exei analabei th desmeysh na ayjhsei to EKAS mexri to telos ths tetraetias se sygkekrimeno ycos. H desmeysh ayth ejakoloyqei na isxyei sto akeraio. Ayto einai poy metra. H politikh ths kybernhshs sto sygkekrimeno tomea qa kriqei apo thn ylopoihsh twn programmatikwn qesewn, mexri to telos ths tetraetias.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qewreite strathgikh nikh ths kybernhshs, entos h ektos eisagwgikwn, to gegonos oti oi agrotes twn Tempwn apesyran ta trakter toys prin apo ligh wra, dinontas pistwsh mexri tis 24 Febroyarioy; Kai mexri tote, ti mporei na ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema nikhmenwn kai htthmenwn. Shmasia exei oti prytaneyse h logikh. Opws gnwrizete o dialogos me toys agrotes synexizetai.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Mexri tis 24 toy mhnos, ti mporei na exei ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Synexizetai o dialogos. Opws diapistwnete, me to dialogo kai me th gonimh antallagh apocewn briskontai polles lyseis koinhs apodoxhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh qewreite oti h apoxwrhsh twn agrotwn einai apotelesma toy dialogoy poy egine me thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti prytaneyse h logikh. Se ayto menw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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