Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-12-09

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 9 Dekembrioy 2004

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BITALHS: Xqes, sto COREPER, stis Bryjelles, fainetai oti yphrje mia epanadiatypwsh ths paragrafoy 20, poy afora qemata ellhnikoy endiaferontos. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h ellhnikh pleyra ikanopoieitai me th nea epanadiatypwsh poy yparxei.

ANTWNAROS: Osa anaferate apodeiknyoyn akribws oti h diapragmateysh einai se plhrh ejelijh. Antallassontai apoceis apo polles pleyres kai to keimeno epanadiatypwnetai synexws. Qa prepei, loipon, na perimenoyme mexri to telos gia na doyme ta apotelesmata aytwn twn poly synqetwn kai dyskolwn diapragmateysewn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei perielqei se gnwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy binteokaseta h dvd -opws grafetai se efhmerida- sthn opoia yparxei h epimaxh skhnh gia ypoptes synallages synergath toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas; Kai ean nai, exei perielqei, thn paredwse sth Dikaiosynh h ti allo;

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia anypostata senaria poy anagrafontai ston Typo kai ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Oles aytes oi kinhseis apoprosanatolismoy exoyn oria. Ginetai mia aqlia prospaqeia emplokhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

BLAXOS: Apo poy ginetai ayth h prospaqeia; Poios einai; Politikh aqlia prospaqeia;

ANTWNAROS: Blepw kai krinw ayta poy grafontai, legontai kai diakinoyntai.

BLAXOS: Kai giati prepei na einai aqlia h prospaqeia emplokhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos einai ametoxos sta osa symbainoyn sth xwra mas;

ANTWNAROS: Einai aqlia dioti den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

BLAXOS: Allo to ena, allo to allo. Mporei na mhn exei sxesh me thn pragmatikothta, alla den shmainei oti einai aqlio. Mporei na einai kakh plhroforhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete toys xarakthrismoys poy kanw na toys epilegw egw.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla mesa se logika plaisia. Enas dhmosiografos mporei na plhroforeitai kakws kai na grafei anakribeies, alla allo aqliothta kai allo anakribeia. Me sygxwreite, kai eiste kai dhmosiografos, gi ayto to lew.

ANTWNAROS: Akribws epeidh eimai prwhn dhmosiografos, to lew.

XONDROS: Epeidh yparxei diafora anamesa se ena dhmosieyma, to opoio mporei na einai proion paraplhroforhshs h kakhs plhroforhshs kai megalh diafora anamesa se ena dhmosieyma me skopimothta, dhladh ``sthmeno''. Ayto lete;

ANTWNAROS: Xwris na yparxei oysia, xwris na yparxei ixnos apodeiktikoy stoixeioy ektojeyontai kathgories, diaspeirontai anypostates fhmes, ejyfainontai kakogoysta senaria, mpainoyn sto stoma anqrwpwn dhlwseis poy den tis exoyn kanei me ton tropo poy toys apodidetai. Ola ayta exoyn ena stoxo: Na apoprosanatolisoyn thn koinh gnwmh apo ta pragmatika kai oysiastika qemata: Dhladh, oti o Prwqypoyrgos brisketai sth Mosxa, oti syzhteitai o basikos metoxos, poy exei megalh kai qetikh apodoxh sthn koinh gnwmh, oti ejelissetai me qetiko tropo h diadikasia ths ejetastikhs epitrophs. Alla oi meqodeyseis aytes den pernane.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, blepw oti sas exei enoxlhsei kai pragmati lete tis apoceis ths kybernhshs. Omws den mas lete apo poia kentra proerxontai, ean yparxei enorxhstrwmenh paraplhroforhsh kai ean mporeite na mas katonomasete aytoys toys anqrwpoys poy dioxeteyoyn ston Typo, olo ayto to yliko poy blepei to fws ths dhmosiothtas.

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai ntetektib. Blepw kai kanw diapistwseis.

SOYGLERHS: Omws, kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh prepei na topoqethqei. Den einai ta senaria ayta apo to poyqena. Ta MME kanoyn kapoia doyleia, exoyn to rolo na enhmerwnoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Den ektojeyontai edw kathgories, oyte kritikh syllhbdhn enantion olwn.

SOYGLERHS: Gia ta Mesa poy ta dhmosieyoyn, exete na mas kanete kapoia dhlwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa molis sas eipa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate ayta den pernane. Ti kanei h kybernhsh gi ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oti ``ayta den pernane''.

ANTWNAROS: Den pernane ston kosmo. O kosmos exei katalabei tis meqodeyseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhpws h kybernhsh prepei na kanei kapoies energeies gia na pernane;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa. O kosmos ta exei katalabei ola.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, otan apokaloysate ton k. Shmith ``arxierea ths diaplokhs'', poia apodeiktika stoixeia eixate;

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekproswpw shmera thn kybernhsh.

POYLIDOY: Ws komma ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs@

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekproswpw thn kybernhsh.

FOYRLHS: Sta dhmosieymata den anaferetai gia ton Prwqypoyrgo oti eide kasetes. Anaferetai se synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy@

ANTWNAROS: Erwthqhka apo ton k. Palaiologo kai apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: An diaceydete kathgorhmatika to senario, ayto poy lete h ayto poy anagrafetai ston Typo, se sygkekrimenh efhmerida, tote na diatypwsw alliws thn erwthsh: Exei perielqei se gnwsh alloy koryfaioy stelexoys ths kybernhshs, Ypoyrgoy h Grammatea h kapoioy alloy, tetoia kaseta me tetoio periexomeno, me epilhcimes synallages, prajeis h den jerw ti allo;

ANTWNAROS: Ekproswpwntas thn kybernhsh, sas apantw: Oxi.

FOYRLHS: Einai se gnwsh ths kybernhshs an yparxei tetoia kaseta h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Molis sas apanthsa.

FOYRLHS: Den leme, an thn exei dei@

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa molis. Osoi exoyn h isxyrizontai oti exoyn tetoies kasetes, as tis proskomisoyn ekei poy prepei.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se mia paroysiash poy kanate twn apocewn sas, ths ermhneias gi` ayta poy ginontai, lete oti ejelissetai me qetiko tropo h diadikasia sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Wstoso, xqes, isws einai h prwth fora, o Proedros toy PASOK, apo thn Kw, ekane logo gia parwdia Ejetastikhs Epitrophs apenanti se stelexh toy PASOK. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: H apoch mas einai oti: Oles oi dhlwseis, oles oi kinhseis, oles oi topoqethseis poy ginontai exoyn ena kai mono stoxo, na akyrwsoyn metajy twn allwn thn apotelesmatikothta poy exei h diadikasia ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

BLAXOS: Mesa se aytoys bazete kai ton k. Mhtsotakh, o opoios xqes eipe ``Mazecte ton k. Zormpa'';

ANTWNAROS: Symfwna me pagia praktikh den sxoliazw dhlwseis toy Epitimoy Proedroy ths N.D.

BLAXOS: Den ton ejaireite pantws@

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw dhlwseis toy Epitimoy Proedroy.

BLAXOS: Den eipa na tis sxoliasete. Eipa, ean ton entassete mesa s` aytoys@

ANTWNAROS: Epikalesthkate dhlwsh toy k. Mhtsotakh. Den sxoliazw th dhlwsh toy k. Mhtsotakh.

BLAXOS: Emena me ikanopoiei to gegonos oti den ton ejaireite.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai diko sas qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh me thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, qa prepei toylaxiston na stelnontai sth dikaiosynh apo th Boylh, me feidw kai me poly megalh prosoxh ypoqeseis poy aforoyn h telos pantwn proseggizoyn politika proswpa;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h arxikh dhlwsh poy exoyme kanei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Otan prokyptoyn qemata, ayta ginontai antikeimeno elegxoy. Ajiologoyntai ta stoixeia poy proskomizontai kai sth synexeia apofasizetai an qa yparjei protash gia to sxhmatismo Ejetastikhs Epitrophs h oxi.

BLAXOS: Prohgoymenws kataggeilate oti oles aytes oi katastaseis ginontai gia na apoprosanatolisoyn thn koinh gnwmh apo mia pragmatikothta, opws einai to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Mosxa@

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Anaferqhka se tria qemata.

BLAXOS: Nai, ena htan to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Mosxa. To gegonos oti oristhke h ejetash toy k. Zormpa thn idia hmera poy o Prwqypoyrgos phgainei sth Mosxa, einai eyqynh ths antipoliteyshs h kybernhtikos eligmos;

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, h Ejetastikh Epitroph kalei toys martyres, basei toy dikoy ths hmerologioy. Den einai qema ths kybernhshs.

BLAXOS: Exei omws thn pleiochfia h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h Ejetastikh Epitroph apofasizei aytonoma.

SOYGLERHS: Ama th epistrofh toy Prwqypoyrgoy shmera to brady, ayrio sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa exoyme ejelijeis me ta gegonota poy exoyn prokycei;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sth synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Poytin, den jerw ean exete plhroforhqei@

ANTWNAROS: H synanthsh brisketai se ejelijh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh akribws einai se ejelijh, exete thn aisqhsh h thn plhroforia, an teqhke to zhthma ektos twn ejoplistikwn, twn newn symbasewn kai twn prohgoymenwn, an ekfrasthke dysforia apo pleyras twn rwsikwn arxwn se sxesh me ta symbainonta edw;

ANTWNAROS: Pws mporw na pw otidhpote gia mia synanthsh poy brisketai se ejelijh; Den exei bgei, mexri stigmhs, kaneis apo thn aiqoysa. As perimenoyme na teleiwsei ayth h synanthsh.

FOYRLHS: Anejarthta apo thn yparjh h mh stoixeiwn, fwtografiwn, binteo k.lp. h Ejetastikh Epitroph, epeidh eipate prohgoymenws oti opoios ta exei as ta proskomisei ekei poy prepei, den einai armodia na ta zhthsei kai na ta anazhthsei, ean yparxoyn tetoia stoixeia;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai ekproswpos ths kybernhshs. Den eimai ekproswpos ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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