Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-11-26

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Aqhna, 26 Noembrioy 2004

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs anaxwrei shmera to meshmeri gia thn Aigypto, opoy qa pragmatopoihsei epishmh episkech. O k. Karamanlhs einai o prwtos Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos poy episkeptetai ton idiaitera eyaisqhto xwro ths Meshs Anatolhs, ta teleytaia 12 xronia. Mia perioxh me thn opoia h Ellada diathrei idiaitera stenoys desmoys.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ektos apo th Nea Dhmokratia kai tis entypwseis poy qelei na parasxei, yparxei kai h xwra. O k. Alogoskoyfhs enw kapote eixe pei oti h Ellada me to spaqi ths mphke sthn ONE, xqes ypanaxwrhse kai eipe oti mono an meiwsoyme to elleimma katw toy 3% to 2005 qa exoyme mpei me to spaqi mas. Ek twn ysterwn, bebaia, akyrwse kai ta idia toy ta logia, alla oi dhlwseis emeinan kai emeinan kai on camera.

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada mphke kai einai me to spaqi ths sthn ONE.

SIDERHS: Kathgoroyn boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias ton k. Benizelo oti yponomeyei to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Mosxa. Oytws h allws o k. Sphliwtopoylos prwta eixe diatarajei tis ellhnorwsikes sxeseis otan ebgale ta TOR axrhsta.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite.

SIDERHS: Qa synexisw. Ek twn ysterwn sth Mosxa anakalese. Shmera o peri pantos apofainomenos boyleyths ths Ejetastikhs Leyterhs Zagoriths ejhghse thn ypanaxwrhsh toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy sth Mosxa oti to ekane apla gia na parei antallaktika. Ayth htan h epishmh, dhladh, afhse na yponohqei oti@

ANTWNAROS: Apodidete dhlwseis tis opoies den gnwrizw @

SIDERHS: Ara, mhpws ton exei balei to PASOK na yponomeysei to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy, giati afhse na yponohqei oti ontws htan axrhsta, alla to ekane gia na parei antallaktika. To eipe ayto o k. Sphliwtopoylos sth Mosxa.

ANTWNAROS: Apodidete dhlwseis oi opoies eite den eginan, eite egw den gnwrizw.

SIDERHS: Sas parakalw, eginan sthn kratikh thleorash.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poion;

SIDERHS: Apo ton k. Zagorith se ``paraqyro''. Den qa ekana pote kati tetoio, na apodwsw dhlwseis poy den eginan. Sas parakalw.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to opoio lete @ den exw ypoch moy tis dhlwseis tis opoies anaferete @ den anairei se tipota to prwtofanes atophma toy k. Benizeloy. H ejwterikh politikh den einai to katallhlo ghpedo gia na anaptyssei @ kai malista me epizhmio tropo gia ta eqnika symferonta @ tis proswpikes toy filodojies o k. Benizelos. Yparxoyn alles diadikasies, kommatikes, an qelei opwsdhpote na ginei arxhgos toy PASOK.

SIDERHS: Pantws, den yperaspisthka ton k. Benizelo. Apla mia epejhghsh.

IWANNOY: Sto idio qema. Exete endeijeis oti to aithma toy k. Benizeloy den htan gnwsto h den to apodexetai kai h hgesia toy PASOK kai kanete logo gia ``proswpikes filodojies''; Den einai, dhladh, aithma kai toy oloy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Diabasa tis dhlwseis toy k. Benizeloy, oi opoies dienemhqhsan apo to Grafeio toy.

IWANNOY: Den tis apodexetai o Giwrgos Papandreoy; Den einai grammh toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Giati rwtate emena; Apeyqynqeite sto PASOK.

TSIODRAS: Sto tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Mosxa qa syzhthqoyn ta zhthmata poy aforoyn sta ejoplistika; Qa epidiwxqei diakratikh symfwnia;

ANTWNAROS: Me rwthsate kai xqes kai sas apanthsa. Ayta den einai qemata ta opoia qa kyriarxhsoyn sto tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Mosxa. H diakratikh symfwnia, sthn opoia profanws anafereste, afora sthn kratikh eggyhsh. H kratikh eggyhsh den einai qema diapragmateyshs se epipedo Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai qema diapragmateyshs twn ypoyrgeiwn Oikonomikwn twn dyo xwrwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai emfanes oti h Ejetastikh Epitroph exei ena problhma sto na tekmhriwsei tis kathgories ths enantion twn ypoyrgwn toy PASOK gia olh thn ypoqesh twn TOR kai twn ejoplistikwn. H kybernhsh exei apeyqynqei h skopeyei na apeyqynqei stis rwsikes arxes, etsi wste endexomenws na brei stoixeia gia na tekmhriwsei aytes tis kathgories;

ANTWNAROS: Oi ergasies ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs briskontai se ejelijh. Den prokeitai na sxoliasw tis ergasies mias Ejetastikhs Epitrophs ths Boylhs. Qa hqela, omws, me ayth thn eykairia na pw to ejhs: Einai poly safes oti h idioxeirh epishmansh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy sto periqwrio sygkekrimenoy eswterikoy eggrafoy poy anaferei ``isxyei h arxikh apofash'' ta leei ola.

IWANNOY: Isxyei h arxikh apofash se poio qema;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei idioxeirh shmeiwsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, o opoios anetrece thn texnikh gnwmodothsh, grafontas me to xeri toy ``isxyei h arxikh apofash''.

GKOYTZANHS: Na rwthsw akomh kati symplhrwmatiko; Yparxei h aisqhsh pia oti, meta to tajidi toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy sth Rwsia, opoy eipe oti ta rwsika opla einai poly kala kai meta kai to eggrafo opoy dexomaste kai kratikh eggyhsh kai trapezikh eggyhsh, paroti to porisma toy Eisaggelea elege kati diaforetiko dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti pia den exei ergo h Ejetastikh Epitroph. Kai telika ean den dieyrynei to pedio ths, opws eixe proteinei o k. Giannellhs ton opoion apodokimasan oloi, tote pia poio einai to ergo ths;

ANTWNAROS: Epimenete na epanerxeste sto qema ths eggyhshs. Qa sas pw, loipon, to ejhs: H ellhnikh nomoqesia kai sygkekrimena h nomoqesia poy orizei ta peri promhqeiwn apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas prosdiorizei safws oti apodekth einai h trapezikh eggyhsh. Se ejairetikes periptwseis einai dynato na ginei dekth h kratikh eggyhsh. H kratikh eggyhsh prepei na einai diakratikh symbash metajy twn Ypoyrgeiwn Oikonomikwn dyo xwrwn, h opoia periballetai oloys toys nomimoys typoys. To eggrafo, to opoio epikaloyntai boyleytes toy PASOK sthn Ejetastikh @ ayto edw to xarti @ einai mia epistolh enos Antiproedroy ths kybernhshs ths xwras apo thn opoia proerxetai h etaireia kai h opoia einai eyxologio kai den periexei kamia apolytws desmeysh. H en logw ``eggyhsh'' einai ena efeyrhma, einai ena kataskeyasma. Ayto einai perissotero apo safes. Kai sas erwtw: Mia idiwtikh etaireia, h opoia kanei kapoia promhqeia, ti zhtei; Zhtei trapezikh eggyhsh. Giati, ean den exei trapezikh eggyhsh, den mporei, kata ta synallaktika hqh, na ejasfalisei thn kalh thrhsh twn orwn ths symbashs thn opoia exei synacei. Ola ta alla einai paraplanhsh aney periexomenoy. Einai poly safes gia to ti milame. Polloi, omws, ejakoloyqoyn na mh qeloyn na to antilhfqoyn.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me to eggrafo poy paroysiazei pali shmera h Eleyqerotypia, to opoio den exei katateqei sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph: Prwton, giati den exei katateqei sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph; Kai, deyteron, epi ths oysias toy ti apantate;

ANTWNAROS: Poio eggrafo moy lete;

TSIODRAS: To eggrafo gia toys TPQ poy leei oti den eginan oi dokimes prin apo th symbash, kaqws proxwroyse h symbash, ayta poy elege oti den ekane h prohgoymenh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy, den ta ekane oyte kai o k. Sphliwtopoylos, toylaxiston me bash ayto to eggrafo.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete to xroniko diasthma poy mesolabhse apo thn aithsh toy GES ews otoy oi eswterikes yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas kai h emplekomenh etaireia antapokriqoyn sto eggrafo; Oxi na dienerghsoyn toys elegxoys, na apanthsoyn apla sto eggrafo. Peripoy tesseris mhnes. Loipon, as mhn epirriptontai eyqynes monopleyra. To eggrafo ayto einai safws aney antikeimenoy kai aney shmasias. An qelei as to zhthsei h Ejetastikh Epitroph. Egw den eimai ekproswpos ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O k. Sphliwtopoylos synexizei na tygxanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se erwthseis poy den exoyn kanena apolytws nohma. O k. Sphliwtopoylos einai Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas.

KOYIN: Se ena allo qema: Anhsyxei h kybernhsh gia thn proqesh ths Hochtief na poylhsei to 13% twn metoxwn ths sto ``Eleyqerios Benizelos'';

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai, kat` arxas, gia eswterikh leitoyrgia poy afora sth dioikhsh ths etaireias ``Dieqnhs Aerolimenas Aqhnwn A.E.''. H qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai safhs. Ekfrasthke me koinh epistolh poy aphyqynan xqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai o k. Liaphs kai me thn opoia kaqistoyn safes oti den symfwnoyn me thn apofash toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy, opoy, shmeiwteon, oi ekproswpoi toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy apoteloyn th meiochfia. Qa perifroyrhqoyn mexri teloys ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy.

SOYGLERHS: Symfwna me plhrofories, h paraxwrhsh meroys twn metoxwn se jeno oiko einai gegonos. H kybernhsh giati den parembainei na allajei ayth th symbash;

ANTWNAROS: Molis sas apanthsa. H ellhnikh pleyra @den einai qema kybernhshs@ ekproswpeitai me mikrotero ariqmo melwn sto Dioikhtiko Symboylio apo thn allh pleyra. H apofash elhfqh me pleiochfia. H ellhnikh pleyra probainei se oles tis nomimes diadikasies, wste na perifroyrhsei ta symferonta ths. Gia peraiterw dieykriniseis, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn. Einai ena eidiko qema, sto opoio den mporw na ypeiselqw.

POYLIDOY: Thn pleiochfia exei to ellhniko Dhmosio@

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den gnwrizete th domh toy Katastatikoy ths sygkekrimenhs etaireias. H ellhnikh pleyra exei th metoxikh pleiochfia, alla to manatzment kai ton pragmatiko elegxo exei h allh pleyra.

SOYGLERHS: Gnwrizei h ellhnikh pleyra gia poio logo oi Germanoi kanoyn ayth thn kinhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to eidiko ayto qema, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn.

SOYGLERHS: Einai dynaton mia etairia, etsi anejelegkta, na pairnei prwtoboylies sto ellhniko edafos gia to ``Eleyqerios Benizelos'' kai na paraxwrei@

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, as mhn anebazoyme toys tonoys se qemata ta opoia einai para poly lepta kai briskontai se ejelijh. Sas eipa oti prokeitai gia mia etaireia, h opoia diaqetei ena shmantiko ariqmo metoxwn. To pws mporei na diaqesei aytes tis metoxes, einai qema to opoio orizetai stoys katastatikoys oroys ths etaireias. Afhste loipon toys ypeyqynoys foreis na kanoyn th doyleia toys, opws akribws prepei na thn kanoyn. Den qelw na ypeiselqw se leptomereies poy endexomenws kai o idios @to paradexomai@ den gnwrizw. Einai poly eidiko to qema.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, alhqeyei h plhroforia poy kata koron grafetai ton teleytaio kairo ston Typo, oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh prosanatolizetai na akyrwsei thn ekpaideysh Irakinwn ajiwmatikwn sto ellhniko edafos; Kata kapoio tropo, lene, prokeimenoy na timwrhsei thn Amerikh gia th qesh poy phre sto Skopiano.

ANTWNAROS: Tetoioy eidoys plhroforia den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. Opws eixe anakoinwsei o Prwqypoyrgos, kata th Synodo Koryfhs toy NATO sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei analabei th desmeysh @ektos Ellados kai ektos Irak@ apo koinoy me alles xwres-melh toy NATO, na proxwrhsei sthn ekpaideysh ajiwmatikwn h mellontikwn ajiwmatikwn toy irakinoy stratoy. Tonizw: Ektos Ellados kai ektos Irak. Ayth h desmeysh ejakoloyqei na isxyei. Ayth th stigmh ginontai oi aparaithtes diaboyleyseis me alles symmaxoys xwres sto plaisio toy NATO, wste na ejeyreqei o tropos poy qa ylopoihqei h en logw proqesh.

GKOYTZANHS: Sxetika me to prohgoymeno qema, sthn erwthsh moy, deijate ena eggrafo poy leei oti oi prohgoymenoi Ypoyrgoi toy PASOK den eixan kamia kratikh eggyhsh, eixan tis yposxeseis kapoiwn Rwswn ajiwmatoyxwn. Peri aytoy den prokeitai; Estw oti einai swsto. Shmera omws einai Paraskeyh kai exei jespasei enas terastios qorybos edw kai tesseris meres. Giati h kybernhsh kai malista to Ypoyrgeio den bghke apo thn Trith na ejhghsei eparkws ola ayta ta qemata sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, wste na mh sernetai ayto to qema to opoio apajiwnei kai thn ejetastikh epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Speydw na pw oti diakrinw mia filikh momfh pros to proswpo moy.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi pros to proswpo sas.

ANTWNAROS: Einai h trith synexhs hmera poy sas epanalambanw oti o oros ``kybernhtikh eggyhsh'' einai oros anyparktos kai adokimos. Den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Merida twn MME ejakoloyqei na ton xrhsimopoiei. Ayth h dhqen ``kybernhtikh eggyhsh'' den einai kan yparkth. Yparxei mia epistolh, antiproedroy ths kybernhshs ths xwras apo thn opoia proerxetai h etaireia, h opoia den exei kamia nomikh isxy. Den desmeyei afenos to rwsiko dhmosio kai afeteroy den prostateyei @ poy einai to oysiastiko kai apofasistiko stoixeio gia mas @ ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Ayto to exw pei epaneilhmmena. Speydw na pw oti dystyxws megalh merida toy Typoy qelei na to agnoei. Kai to lew gia trith - tetarth hmera synexws. Prokeitai gia nomika mh shmantiko, anyparkto eggrafo to opoio periexei eyxologio enos politikoy paragonta. Tipote peran aytoy. Allwste kai h rwsikh nomoqesia @ Nomos apo to 1998 kai ta Proedrika Diatagmata poy hrqan akoloyqws @ orizei ws kratikh eggyhsh th synach diakratikhs symfwnias metajy twn Ypoyrgeiwn Oikonomikwn dyo xwrwn. Giati den epediwje kati tetoio h prohgoymenh kybernhsh; Sas apantw: Rwthste toys idioys. Einai profanes oti den frontisan na proaspisoyn ta ellhnika symferonta.

GKOYTZANHS: Den diafwnw epi ths oysias. Rwtw giati ola ayta den dinontoysan apo thn Trith, na lhjei to qema xwris na proklhqei olos aytos o qorybos;

ANTWNAROS: Apo thn Trith ta lew.

GKOYTZANHS: Ta eggrafa ayta den ta paroysiasate apo thn Trith. Kai bebaiws den einai momfh pros to proswpo sas. Eipa oti einai armodiothta toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

ANTWNAROS: Ta eggrafa ayta @ ej` oswn lene oi boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn poy metexoyn sthn Ejetastikh epitroph @ periexontai sto swma twn eggrafwn. Par` ola tayta ta epikaloyntai me paraplanhtiko tropo boyleytes toy PASOK, legontas oti prokeitai gia eggyhsh. Den prokeitai gia eggyhsh. Kaneis swfrwn anqrwpos den qa sas pei oti ayto to xarti apotelei eggyhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs ejedwse mia epishmh anakoinwsh poy mas enhmerwnei oti to Ypoyrgeio leitoyrgei kanonika. H erwthsh einai: Proxqes den leitoyrgoyse kanonika; Kai ayrio endexomenws den qa leitoyrgei kanonika; Kai kati poy afora esas ws kybernhtiko Ekproswpo poy exete mia synolikh eikona ths kybernhshs, ta ypoloipa Ypoyrgeia shmera leitoyrgoyn kanonika;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws prokeitai gia mia atyxh diatypwsh.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe den jerw gia th nomikh ajia toy eggrafoy etsi opws to qetete, yparxei omws mia politikh ajia. Dhladh, den mporei eseis na apodidete idiaiterh shmasia sthn idiografh shmeiwsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy se ena eggrafo kai na mh dinete thn paramikrh shmasia sthn ypografh enos antiproedroy kybernhshs. Den einai tyxaios, einai antiproedros kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Me ayth thn epistolh antiproedroy kybernhshs gia tessera - tesseramisi xronia, h ellhnikh pleyra den mporese na ylopoihsei ta antistaqmistika wfelhmata ta opoia h allh pleyra eixe ypoxrewsh na parasxei. Synepws ek twn pragmatwn apodeiknyetai oti to eggrafo ayto einai aney ajias. Den einai ekeinos o moxlos ton opoio xreiazetai enas apo toys dyo symballomenoys, en prokeimenw h ellhnikh pleyra, wste na mporesei na petyxei thn pragmatopoihsh twn orwn ths symbashs. Ayto apodeiknyetai apo ta gegonota. Oson afora to allo eggrafo @ epeidh sygkrinete dyo anomoia pragmata @ prokeitai gia mia idioxeirh shmeiwsh Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas ths xwras mas, poy akribws me ayth th shmeiwsh anetrece oles tis systaseis, oles tis eishghseis twn texnikwn kai twn yphresiakwn paragontwn. Proxwrhse ayqaireta se mia symbash, h opoia me thn morfh poy egine kai me thn elleich twn eggyhsewn poy apaitoyntai den wfelei ta eqnika symferonta. Ayth einai h apoch mas.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Sxetika me to qema ths Hochtief hqela mia dieykrinish. H ektakth genikh syneleysh poy exei sygklhqei gia tis 17 Dekembrioy htan aithma ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs h einai anagkaia gia na ginei h pwlhsh toy 13%;

ANTWNAROS: Einai aithma ths ellhnikhs pleyras.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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