Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-11-18

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Aqhna, 19 Noembrioy 2004

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Prin apo ligo synedriase to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Amesws meta kateteqh apo ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfh o Proypologismos sth Boylh.

Opws gnwrizete, aytos einai o prwtos Proypologismos poy kataqetei sth Boylh h kybernhsh poy prohlqe apo tis ekloges ths 7hs Martioy. Einai enas Proypologismos me idiaitera xarakthristika: Enas Proypologismos poy xarassei ta plaisia ths neas politikhs poy qa akoloyqhqei, enas Proypologismos poy antikaqista thn plasmatikothta kai thn anajiopistia me th fereggyothta kai thn alhqeia. Einai enas Proypologismos me koinwniko xarakthra kai proswpo poy exei stoxo na prostateysei apotelesmatika toys Ellhnes me xamhla eisodhmata. Epishs einai enas Proypologismos me safh anaptyjiaka xarakthristika, xarakthristika poy qa tonistoyn akomh perissotero me thn katapolemhsh ths kratikhs spatalhs, th sygkrathsh twn katanalwtikwn dapanwn toy Dhmosioy, th sygkroysh me th diafqora.

Einai apolytws safes -kai den to krybei kaneis- oti prokeitai gia enan Proypologismo poy periexei proklhseis stis opoies h kybernhsh qa antapokriqei, opws eimaste sigoyroi oti qa antapokriqoyn kai oloi oi Ellhnes.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 9 to prwi, qa exei synergasia sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfh kai ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfa.

@ Stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei sto Eygenideio Idryma se ekdhlwsh poy diorganwnei to Panepisthmio City toy Londinoy, me qema ``Dieqnhs Oikonomia kai Ellhnikh Oikonomia''.

@ Stis 3, telos, to meshmeri o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei gia ta Iwannina.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Enoxlhqhke h kybernhsh apo thn parembash toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy kata thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy epi ths oysias mesa sth Boylh; O Proedros toy PASOK yposthrizei oti eixe to dikaiwma na milhsei ws arxhgos kommatos.

ANTWNAROS: Ston Proedro toy PASOK apanthse mesa sth Boylh o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Den exw para na epanalabw ayta poy eipe o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn: Qa perimene kaneis megalyterh semnothta apo ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai to komma poy paredwsan thn oikonomia se kako xali.

IWANNOY: Epi ths diadikasias an exete ena sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Kai ep` aytoy topoqethqhke o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

SIDERHS: Exw dyo erwthseis: H mia einai an o k. Prwqypoyrgos edwse sygxarhthria ston k. Alogoskoyfh gia thn ypobaqmish poy ypesthmen apo thn Standard & Poor`s;

ANTWNAROS: Gia mia akomh fora qa sas kalesw na diabasete olo to keimeno ths ajiologhshs poy kanei h Standard & Poor`s. Opws epeshmane hdh apo xqes to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, me epishmh anakoinwsh toy, o dieqnhs oikos apodidei th nea ajiologhsh toy sthn ypoektimhsh twn olympiakwn dapanwn apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, sth dhmosionomikh xalarwsh kata thn periodo pros tis ekloges toy Martioy, kaqws kai stis proeklogikes paroxes poy eixan qesmoqethqei apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. H Standard & Poor`s diathrei thn ajiologhsh ths gia th staqerh prooptikh ths oikonomias kai anagnwrizei oti h prospaqeia ths neas kybernhshs gia th dhmioyrgia enos pio filikoy gia toys forologoymenoys forologikoy systhmatos apotelei qetiko metro. Apo ekei kai pera, den antilambanomaste ti akribws zhtoyn apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh osoi, sto eswteriko, epikaloyntai tis parathrhseis toy dieqnoys oikoy gia th mh lhch prosqetwn metrwn gia th dhmosionomikh ejygiansh. As mas to jekaqarisoyn: Qeloyn thn efarmogh programmatos litothtas; H kybernhsh -opws allwste mporei eykola na diapistwsei kaneis apo mia anagnwsh twn stoixeiwn toy Proypologismoy poy katateqhke prin apo ligo sth Boylh- exei apofasisei oti qa efarmosei politikh hpias prosarmoghs kai forologikhs metarryqmishs etsi wste na diasfalistoyn kai na enisxyqoyn ta eisodhmata twn ergazomenwn.

SIDERHS: Kai h deyterh: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ejetazei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti ta gegonota toy Exinoy na mhn htan toso aqwa; Shmera h MILLIYET grafei oti thn idia hmera yphrxe ekei klimakio toy amerikanikoy YPEJ poy ejetaze thn katastash sta Anqrwpina Dikaiwmata. To ereynate;

ANTWNAROS: Den asxoloymeqa me fhmologies. Topoqethqhka gia ta gegonota xqes. Ejakoloyqei na isxyei sto akeraio h xqesinh topoqethsh moy.

SIDERHS: Xqes, apla, eipate oti sebeste toys xwroys latreias kai einai katanohto kai eylogo.

ANTWNAROS: Peran aytoy, sas eipa oti prokeitai gia ena memonwmeno peristatiko xwris politikes diastaseis.

KAKALHS: Klimakio yphrxe twn Amerikanwn ekei;

ANTWNAROS: Den to gnwrizw.

XONDROS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se aytoys oi opoioi sto eswteriko ths xwras den katalabainei h kybernhsh ti akribws zhtane, an zhtane dhladh metra litothtas k.tl., k.tl., symperilambanetai kai o Proedros toy SEB, o opoios eipe oti to forologiko nomosxedio poy kataqesate einai antanaptyjiako kai yparxei kindynos gia mia fqinoysa poreia ths oikonomias kai dhmioyrgeitai kai ena kako periballon gia thn epixeirhmatikothta.

ANTWNAROS: O nown noeitw.

XONDROS: Oxi, den noeitw.

ANTWNAROS: Me rwthsate kai apanthsa.

XONDROS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh tis dhlwseis toy k. Kyriakopoyloy; Symfwnei me aytes;

ANTWNAROS: Sto parelqon, otan o Syndesmos Ellhnikwn Biomhxaniwn ejefraze qeseis poy kinoyntan sthn kateyqynsh ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, h shmerinh Antipoliteysh kai oi syn ayth kykloi kraygazan oti oi biomhxanoi einai me th Nea Dhmokratia. Twra poy h hgesia toy SEB zhtei aysthrotera metra, h Antipoliteysh kai oi symmaxoi ths, se diafora epipeda, kanoyn shmaia h fainetai na kanoyn shmaia aytes tis apoceis. As mas poyn, en telei, an symfwnoyn me tis apoceis poy ejefrase xqes h hgesia toy Syndesmoy Ellhnikwn Biomhxaniwn.

XONDROS: H kybernhsh symfwnei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa exei kapoia synepeia gia th xwra mas h ajiologhsh ayth ths Standard &Poor`s;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite akribws;

GKOYTZANHS: Giati, thn epikaleitai kai h kybernhsh ayth thn ekqesh; Qa exei kapoia@ Ti shmainei telika ayth h ekqesh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete kaqe xrono oi diaforoi Dieqneis Organismoi probainoyn se ajiologhsh twn oikonomiwn pollwn xwrwn, metajy twn opoiwn kai ths Elladas.

GKOYTZANHS: Synepagetai, as poyme, kai th meiwsh kai thn ypobaqmish ths pistolhptikhs ikanothtas ths xwras mas kai ti praktika shmainei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Einai ena eidiko qema, gia to opoio parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston k. Alogoskoyfh, o opoios kanei anakoinwseis ayth thn wra.

BLAXOS: An katalaba kala, h kybernhsh anoigei metwpo me ton SEB;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den anoigei metwpo me kanenan. Einai, omws, safes oti thn oikonomikh politikh thn kaqorizei kai thn xarazei h kybernhsh.

XONDROS: Apo thn apanthsh sas prokyptei mia enoxlhsh, otan lete oti thn oikonomikh politikh thn xarazei mono h kybernhsh. Einai san na lete na mhn mperdeyetai o SEB. Epeidh eipate o nown noeitw, ayto nohsame twra me thn apanthsh sas.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe paragwgikh tajh exei to dikaiwma na ekfrazei tis apoceis ths. Thn oikonomikh politikh, omws, thn kaqorizei h kybernhsh.

XIWTHS: O SEB, opws lete ki eseis ews tis ekloges isws kai ligo argotera htan enas paradosiakos symmaxos ths politikhs poy askei h N.D.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Eseis to ermhneyete etsi.

XIWTHS: To ermhneyw egw. En pash periptwsei blepw oti shmera katatassete ton SEB ws symmaxo ths antipoliteyshs. Ayto problhmatizei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa kati entelws diaforetiko. Eipa oti h antipoliteysh pairnei tis qeseis toy SEB kai tis kanei dikh ths shmaia.

XIWTHS: Emeis sas zhtame na sxoliasete tis apoceis toy SEB, o opoios einai enas eidikos klados poy prosefere sthrijh sth N.D. oxi mono oso htan antipoliteysh, alla kai toys prwtoys mhnes af` otoy h N.D. ejelegh kybernhsh. Ayto pws to sxoliazei h kybernhsh, prin kalesete thn antipoliteysh na parei th dikh ths qesh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw: Thn oikonomikh politikh thn kaqorizei h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: O SEB eite symfwnei kapoios mazi toy eite oxi, kroyei ton kwdwna toy kindynoy gia ton ejhs logo poy oloi emeis oi dhmosiografoi blepoyme. Yparxoyn biomhxanies poy pairnoyn ta mpogalakia toys kai phgainoyn se alles geitonikes xwres, opoy oysiastika toys dinoyn poly mikroterh forologia, gyrw sto 12,15,20%. Ayto poy leei o SEB, einai oti mporei kapoies biomhxanies na fygoyn apo thn Ellada kai ayto shmainei anergia. Ayto den eyaisqhtopoiei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh einai poly eyaisqhth se o,ti afora sto qema ths anergias kai ths dhmioyrgias newn qesewn ergasias gia oloys toys Ellhnes poy mpainoyn sthn agora ergasias kai anazhtoyn doyleia. Prosexws qa deite kai alla deigmata ayths ths eyaisqhsias me ton anaptyjiako nomo. Stoxos mas einai na prokycoyn ekeines oi synqhkes poy qa dieykolynoyn th dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias. Oson afora sto sygkekrimeno qema ths meiwshs twn forologikwn syntelestwn gia tis biomhxanies, to opoio anaferate, h kybernhsh kanei akribws ayto poy eixe proanaggeilei. Stadiaka qa meiwqei h forologhsh twn kerdwn twn epixeirhsewn. Ayto qa oloklhrwqei mexri to telos ths tetraetias me sygkekrimena pososta ta opoia hdh exoyn anakoinwqei. H kybernhsh einai pisth se ayta poy anakoinwnei. An kapoioi qeloyn na pane parapera, ayto den ekfrazei thn kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Epeidh eipate prosexws qa doyme ton anaptyjiako nomo, mhpws - epeidh ypociazomai oti mas akoyne kai anergoi- mporeite na peite stoys anergoys poso xroniko diasthma dinete sto ``prosexws''; Dhladh poso mporei na peinane akoma oi anqrwpoi kai na caxnoyn gia doyleia;

ANTWNAROS: Metaqetete thn erwthsh se ena entelws diaforetiko qema. O anaptyjiakos nomos den ejasfalizei aytomatws doyleia se osoys den exoyn. Eipa oti to anaptyjiako nomosxedio qa katateqei sta xronika plaisia poy exei proanaggeilei h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Alla eseis san antipoliteysh legate kai to exei pei polles fores o k. Karamanlhs oti hsastan etoimoi na kybernhsete. Exoyn perasei oktw mhnes kai mas lete twra oti prosexws qa katateqei o anaptyjiakos nomos. Pote einai to prosexws; Sthn epomenh tetraetia;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme pei oti to anaptyjiako nomosxedio qa katateqei mexri to telos toy xronoy. Epanalambanw oti brhkame mia oikonomia, opws eipe shmera o k. Alogoskoyfhs, se kako xali. Xreiazotan symmazema.

KAPRALOS: Shmerino prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``Ayrianh'' anaferei oti sygkekrimenh tsimentobiomhxania poylaei stoys ellhnes to tsimento ton tono 78 eyrw, enw oi idioi epixeirhmaties pane sthn Albania kai poylane to tsimento me 32 eyrw. Qa hqela to sxolio sas, an qa prepei na parembei amesa h epitroph antagwnismoy; Protiqetai h kybernhsh na parei kapoia metra gia na stamathsei ayth h lehlasia;

ANTWNAROS: Eida to dhmosieyma sto opoio anafereste. Prokeitai gia eidiko qema kai den qa hqela na to sxoliasw. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs to opoio einai armodio.

XONDROS: Lete oti h kybernhsh parelabe mia para poly kakh katastash apo to PASOK thn opoia prospaqei na symmazecei. Pairnei loipon kapoia metra. Edw exoyme dyo dedomena kyrie Ekproswpe. O dieqnhs oikos epi ths oysias amfisbhtei toso ton proypologismo, dioti leei oti den mporei na pesei to elleimma katw apo to 3% to 2005. Amfisbhtei to metro gia ton epanapatrismo twn kefalaiwn kai syzhtaei kai ena anoigma toy asfalistikoy. Erxetai ekei o SEB, poy einai enas qesmikos paragontas kai leei oti kati den paei kala me to forologiko nomosxedio. Olh ayth h katastash sas problhmatizei; Den qetei en amfibolw ta metra poy exete parei gia to symmazema ths oikonomias.

ANTWNAROS: Milame gia dyo entelws diaforetika qemata. Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws: As mas poyn poioi einai yper mias poly pio aysthrhs dhmosionomikhs politikhs, mias politikhs litothtas san ki ayth poy synista h Standard & Poor@s. H kybernhsh pantws den einai. Einai yper ths hpias prosarmoghs.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla edw epikaleiste kata to hmisy thn ekqesh ths Standard & Poor@s kai aporriptete thn allh mish. Exei kapoia shmasia gia thn kybernhsh sto synolo ths; Den katalabainw ayth thn eyaisqhsia ths kybernhshs gia mia ekqesh enos dieqnoys oikoy. Einai toso eyalwth h ellhnikh oikonomia;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh oikonomia den einai kaqoloy eyalwth. Allo qema einai ta genesioyrga aitia ta opoia prokalesan kati, kai allo ta metra qerapeias poy qa lhfqoyn. Gia ta metra qerapeias, h kybernhsh exei parei qesh. Gia ta genesioyrga aitia h kybernhsh den einai ypeyqynh. Alloi einai oi ypeyqynoi. Einai safestato poioi einai aytoi.

XONDROS: Ma ayta poy amfisbhtoyntai einai ta metra qerapeias.

ANTWNAROS: Sta metra qerapeias throyme sygkekrimenh stash. Ayta epilejame, ayta qa efarmosoyme.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den problhmatizei, omws, thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti kai h GSEE kai h GSEBE den einai qetikes apenanti sto forologiko nomosxedio; Kanenas apo toys koinwnikoys foreis den staqhke qetikos apenanti sto forologiko nomosxedio.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei kanei tis epiloges ths. O Proypologismos katateqhke. Sto plaisio aytoy toy proypologismoy qa kinhqei h oikonomikh politikh toy epomenoy etoys.

KAKALHS: Qelete na mas apariqmhsete orismena metra toy proypologismoy, mesw twn opoiwn epitygxanetai h prostasia twn koinwnika asqenesterwn tajewn, opws eipate;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto qa kanei se ligh wra o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Alogoskoyfhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti o proypologismos periexei proklhseis. Mporeite na mas peite poies einai aytes oi proklhseis;

ANTWNAROS: Proklhsh einai, metajy allwn oti breqhkame mprosta se mia poly kakh dhmosionomikh katastash. Proklhsh einai fysika kai to noikokyrema ths. Leptomereies qa sas dwsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

KARAMPASHS: Dyo qemata: Prwton, ean yparxei qema gia thn kybernhsh me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs k. Papalhgoyra, meta thn parembash toy sth Dikaiosynh gia thn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy, h opoia epese sto keno, ennow thn apofash ths olomeleias. Kai to deyteron, afora th syntagmatikothta gia ton basiko metoxo, poy apofanqhke to Elegktiko Synedrio, apenanti bebaia sto StE. Ayto dhmioyrgei problhma gia thn kataqesh toy nomosxedioy to opoio exete proanaggeilei oti qa erqei sth Boylh;

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora sto deytero erwthma sas, prokeitai gia mia dikastikh krish, thn opoia den epiqymw na sxoliasw. Oson afora sto prwto: Den yparxei kanena apolytws qema empistosynhs pros ton k. Papalhgoyra. O k. Papalhgoyras apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KARAMPASHS: Ean moy epitrepete na synexisw ep` aytoy: To qema toy nomosxedioy gia ton basiko metoxo qa erqei, dhladh, kanonika sth Boylh;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

KARAMPASHS: Qa chfistei entos toy etoys;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa proxqes.

KARAMPASHS: Pote qa erqei;

ANTWNAROS: Entos toy etoys.

BLAXOS: Gnwrizw oti exete idiaitero forto ergasias, alla nomizw oti exete jexasei eseis kai o ypoyrgos Paideias na mas dwsete ton katalogo me tis meteggrafes. Qa tis dwsete h tis krybete, h exete symfwnhsei ola ta kommata na tis krycete;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei apofasisei na mhn apokrycei apolytws tipote.

BLAXOS: Pote qa tis dwsete;

ANTWNAROS: Palia miloysate gia fakelo, twra milate gia katalogo. Den yparxei kaneis tetoios katalogos. Den exw gnwsh kanenos tetoioy katalogoy, poy na einai pros dhmosiopoihsh.

SPYRAKH: Exei gnwsh h ypoyrgos Paideias, ayth to kathggelle.

ANTWNAROS: Speydw na pw oti apodidete -kai malista oxi me akribeia- mono mia dhlwsh ths ypoyrgoy Paideias. Exoyn akoloyqhsei kai alles dhlwseis ths.

XONDROS: Na ypoqesw -to lew xaritologwntas- oti o k. Papalhgoyras den qewrei oti to Symboylio Efetwn sygkalyce thn apofash gia to skandalo toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Giati eixe pei tote oti opoios exei mia diaforetikh apoch gia thn energeia toy, qelei na sygkalycei to skandalo toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Kai erxetai to Symboylio Efetwn kai kleinei thn ypoqesh.

ANTWNAROS: H stash ths kybernhshs einai safhs kai staqerh. To egklhma toy Xrhmatisthrioy oyte jexnietai, oyte mporei na paragrafei politika. H kybernhsh qa kanei o,ti einai anqrwpinws dynato gia na symbalei sth dialeykansh toy. Kai ayto, oxi mono giati ayto einai to aithma 1,5 ekatommyriwn Ellhnwn politwn, alla kai giati etsi epitassoyn oi kanones ths diafaneias, poy gia emas einai adiapragmateytoi.

GKOYTZANHS: Sygnwmh, kyrie Ekproswpe, alla edw oi dikastikes arxes lene oti den yparxoyn stoixeia gia skandalo toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Epi poias basews epimenei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs. Yparxoyn kai alles ekkremeis ypoqeseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Egw rwtw, epi poias basews milaei gia skandalo h kybernhsh, ean oi dikastikes apofaseis den thn dikaiwnoyn;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na pisteyei oti prokeitai peri skandaloy.

XIWTHS: Apo th stigmh poy h dikastikh diereynhsh stamata, monon enas tropos yparxei gia na synexistei ayth h diereynhsh: mesw ths Boylhs. Synepws, einai h katallhlh stigmh h N.D. na analabei mia prwtoboylia gia th sygkrothsh ejetastikhs, diakommatikhs h proanakritikhs epitrophs; Giati me diaforetiko tropo den mporei na synexistei h diereynhsh ayths ths ypoqeshs.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia tis protaseis tis opoies ypoballete pros thn kybernhsh!

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H kybernhsh, omws, den eipe oti qa kataqesei protash ejetastikhs epitrophs;

ANTWNAROS: Otan exw kati neotero, qa sas to anakoinwsw.

GALIATSATOS: Me dedomeno oti o proypologismos problepei prostasia twn koinwnikwn strwmatwn kai qa einai toso kalos kai anaptyjiakos, shmainei ayto oti h kybernhsh prosanatolizetai gia prowres ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanena qema prowrwn eklogwn.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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