Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-11-03

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 3 Noembrioy 2004

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei ayrio gia tis Bryjelles, opoy, opws gnwrizete, qa metasxei sto Symboylio Koryfhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

XONDROS: H kybernhsh qewrei oti h Enwsh Dikastwn kai Eisaggelewn prospaqei na sygkalycei to skandalo toy Xrhmatisthrioy;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den sxoliazei tis anakoinwseis twn syndikalistikwn organwn twn eisaggelewn kai twn dikastwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxei mia diastash apocewn metajy ths kybernhshs kai ths Enwshs Dikastwn kai Eisaggelewn, ws pros to ti esti parembash sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den prokeitai na kanei kanena sxolio gia tis anakoinwseis twn syndikalistikwn organwn twn eisaggelewn kai twn dikastwn. Exei safh qesh kai thn ejefrase xqes, edw, o k. Roysopoylos.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o k. Ebert, jerete, o prwhn Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias, kathggeile dhmosiws, oyte ligo oyte poly oti htan sthmenh h diadikasia, basei ths opoias bghke to apallaktiko boyleyma gia to Xrhmatisthrio. H kybernhsh protiqetai na diereynhsei thn kataggelia Ebert h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh qa kanei @opws exei desmeyqei allwste kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos epaneilhmmena- o,ti mporei, wste na diereynhqei h ``foyska'' toy Xrhmatisthrioy mexri teloys. Ayth einai h apaithsh ekatommyriwn Ellhnwn.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai teleiws diaforetiko to pragma. Edw, o k. Ebert leei oti epithdes oristhke h sygkekrimenh Proedros toy Dikasthrioy. Oysiastika, dhladh, leei oti kapoioi mhxanismoi, endexomenws to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, ``esthsan'' ayth th dikh. Einai poly sobarh h kataggelia toy k. Ebert. Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa gia to ti qa kanei h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, kyrie Ekproswpe. Apanthsate gia th ``foyska''. Ayto to jeroyme. Edw, o k. Ebert exei mia sygkekrimenh kataggelia. O k. Ebert einai xronia politikos kai den leei synhqws pragmata poy den ta gnwrizei. H kybernhsh agnoei ton k. Ebert; Ayto mas lete;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa ti prokeitai na kanei h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Ma, me ton tropo poy apantate, einai san na ton agnoeite. Me sygxwreite!

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa ti prokeitai na kanei h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Gia th ``foyska'', kyrie Ekproswpe. Oxi gia ton k. Ebert. Gia ton k. Ebert den qa apanthsete; Qewreite, dhladh, oti o k. Ebert@

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, h epomenh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, kyrie Ekproswpe, den teleiwsa tis erwthseis moy.

ANTWNAROS: Egw dinw to logo k. Blaxo.

BLAXOS: Exw omws egw th dynatothta na kanw oses erwthseis qelw kai exete th dynatothta na apantate opws qelete.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws, kyrie Blaxo.

BLAXOS: Den exete to dikaiwma na moy afaireite to logo.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas afairw to logo, alla den qa kanete epanalambanomenes erwthseis. O k. Siderhs.

BLAXOS: Otan qewrw oti den dinete apanthsh sto erwthma moy, qa kanw xilies erwthseis. Me sygxwreite@

ANTWNAROS: O k. Siderhs exei to logo, parakalw.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite. Dyo lepta kyrie Siderh@ Den katalaba. Bazete nea hqh sto press @ room;

ANTWNAROS: Den eisagw nea hqh. Apanthsa me ton tropo poy epiqymw na apanthsw.

BLAXOS: Bebaiws. Kai egw qelw na janarwthsw. Exw ayto to dikaiwma. Eseis den exete to dikaiwma na moy afairesete to logo. Einai aplo to pragma.

ANTWNAROS: Ton logo ton dinw egw, den ton pairnete ayqaireta edw mesa.

BLAXOS: Bebaiws. Kai afoy den apantate sthn erwthsh moy, egw exw to dikaiwma na rwtaw synexeia.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, kanete thn erwthsh sas gia na perasoyme sto epomeno qema.

BLAXOS: Me ton tropo poy den apantate ston k. Ebert, shmainei oti agnoeite, oti amfisbhteite ta stoixeia toy k. Ebert;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei skopo na kanei o,ti epiballetai gia na diereynhsei thn ypoqesh mexri teloys.

SIDERHS: Den sxoliazete tis Enwseis Dikastwn kai Eisaggelewn. Qa mporoysate, omws, na protajete ta nomika sas epixeirhmata giati ayto den apotelei parembash sth Dikaiosynh;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei akribws h apanthsh poy edwse o k. Roysopoylos kai menw s@ aythn. O k. Papalhgoyras, o opoios apolambanei ths plhroys empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs, kinhqhke mesa sta syntagmatika plaisia twn armodiothtwn toy.

SIDERHS: O k. Arapogloy einai dikh sas epilogh. Sas problhmatizoyn oi xqesines epishmanseis toy;

ANTWNAROS: Se poio qema;

SIDERHS: Gia thn oikonomia, gia tis apolyseis, gia tis metanasteyseis epixeirhsewn, gia thn eylygisia sthn agora ergasias@

ANTWNAROS: Thn oikonomikh politikh thn kaqorizei h kybernhsh. Kaneis allos.

SIDERHS: Ma, einai ena eidos stelexoys sas, afoy ton balate kai ton empisteyeste.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Arapogloy einai Proedros ths Eqnikhs Trapezas.

SIDERHS: Kai ara, me bash kapoia stoixeia, kanei thn ``aktinografia'' ths oikonomias kai to ti prepei na ginei. Den sas problhmatizei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti thn oikonomikh politikh thn kaqorizei h kybernhsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pws einai dynaton tote na diathrei o Prwqypoyrgos sth qesh toy, sto posto ths Trapezas ths Elladas, ths koryfaias trapezas ths xwras, enan anqrwpo o opoios brisketai se diametrika antiqeto mhkos kymatos ap` oti oi diakhrygmenes qeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Xqes, molis o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti qa prepei na bohqhqoyn oi mikromesaies epixeirhseis. Enw o k. Arapogloy eipe oti qa prepei na kleisoyn oses den einai antagwnistikes. Pws symbibazetai kai einai sth qesh toy;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh pisteyei -kai to exei diakhryjei epaneilhmmenws- oti oi mikromesaies epixeirhseis einai h raxokokalia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai exei hdh labei metra -kai qa labei kai alla- gia na tis sthrijei. Ayto qa ginei metajy allwn kai me ton anaptyjiako nomo, o opoios qa ypoblhqei prosexws pros egkrish sth Boylh. Eimaste yper toy anoigmatos kai kata toy kleisimatos twn epixeirhsewn giati etsi dhmioyrgoyntai kai nees qeseis ergasias.

BLAXOS: O k. Arapogloy prin treis-tesseris meres synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo, den ton enhmerwse gi@ ayta poy qa pei; Phre thn egkrish toy Prwqypoyrgoy h leitoyrghse ayqairetws;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti o k. Arapogloy einai Proedros ths Eqnikhs Trapezas. Thn omilia poy ekane, thn ekane me ayth thn idiothta.

BLAXOS: Pairnontas to ``o.k.'' toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth synanthsh poy eixe mazi toy;

ANTWNAROS: Den synhqizetai, ej oswn gnwrizw, oi Proedroi twn Trapezwn na ypobaloyn pros egkrish tis omilies toys sto Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Epeidh den eiste bebaios, giati eipate ``ej oswn gnwrizw'', mhpws exete thn eygenh kalosynh na enhmerwqeite;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

LEONTITSH: Dhladh o k. Arapogloy poy feretai kai exei diametrika antiqetes apoceis apo thn kybernhsh, qa daneiodotei tis mikromesaies epixeirhseis kat` entolh kai me proswpikh diafwnia;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na mpw se leptomereies toy daneiodotikoy programmatos ths Eqnikhs Trapezas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia to trihmero kinhtopoihsewn poy ejhggeile h GSEE. Problhmatizoyn aytes oi kinhtopoihseis thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

SARANTAKOS: Na epistrecoyme sto qema toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Synebh to ejhs: H Enwsh Dikastwn kai Eisaggelewn gia ena qema poy den afora syndikalistika aithmata, ena qema oysias, xarakthrizei thn parembash toy k. Papalhgoyra anepitrepth kai epikindynh. Yparxei qema synanthshs toy k. Papalhgoyra me thn Enwsh Dikastwn kai Eisaggelewn prokeimenoy na doqoyn ejhghseis;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston k. Papalhgoyra.

SARANTAKOS: Eseis den exete enhmerwqei gia kati tetoio;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe synexizetai h istoria me tis toyrkikes parabiaseis kai parabaseis. H kybernhsh problhmatizetai, mhpws qa prepei na allajei thn ews twra stash ths kai antilambanetai oti se ena megalo meros toy ellhnikoy laoy dhmioyrgeitai h aisqhsh mias elleichs ajioprepeias, dioti den einai dynaton h xwra na dhlwnei thn yposthrijh ths se ena basiko aithma ths toyrkikhs ejwterikhs politikhs kai kaqe mera stoys dyo mhnes mexri thn sygklish toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy poy qa to ikanopoihsei na ginetai ayth h istoria me thn Toyrkia.

ANTWNAROS: Prodikazete symperifores tis opoies egw den eimai se qesh na prodikasw.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Poio einai to orio sto opoio h ypomonh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs qa ejantlhqei; Ti qa prepei na ginei;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, opws exoyme pei epaneilhmmena, parakoloyqei kai katagrafei me nhfaliothta kai staqerothta th symperifora ths Toyrkias sto Aigaio. Enhmerwnei toys etairoys ths kai toys symmaxoys ths opote krinei oti ayto einai prosforo. Diamorfwnei de tis qeseis ths me gnwmona pantote to eqniko symferon.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara den einai dedomenh akoma h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada yposthrizei thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias, h opoia prepei na maqei na symperiferetai eyrwpaika, ean epiqymei na ginei melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Mexri stigmhs den yparxei tipota poy na mas deixnei oti allazei ayth h pragmatikothta.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: O Proedros Sirak exei parei mia apofash na qesei to zhthma ths entajhs ths Toyrkias sthn E.E. logw ths shmasias toy se dhmochfisma. H ellhnikh kybernhsh qa dwsei thn idia dynatothta stoys ellhnes polites, me dedomeno allwste oti h shmasia ths entajhs ths Toyrkias sthn E.E. einai poly megalyterh apo ayth poy exei gia to lao ths Gallias.

ANTWNAROS: Otan ginei epikairo to qema, qa apofasisoyn ekeina ta organa poy problepei to Syntagma.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh yposthrijh pros thn entajiakh poreia ths Toyrkias sthrizetai sto qewrhma oti ayth h poreia qa bohqhsei se kapoio eidos pio eirhnikhs, dhmokratikhs, ``politismenhs'' symperiforas ths Toyrkias. H kybernhsh apo thn mexri twra empeiria qewrei oti epalhqeyetai ayth h qewria;

ANTWNAROS: Einai ajioshmeiwtes oi metarryqmistikes allages poy ginontai sto eswteriko ths Toyrkias. H Toyrkia krinetai toso gia tis metarryqmiseis sto eswteriko ths, oso kai gia th symperifora ths pros tis geitonikes xwres, pros thn Ellada kai pros thn Kypro, h opoia einai ws gnwston kratos-melos ths E.E. Prepei, loipon, na apodeijei h Toyrkia oti symperiferetai eyrwpaika.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe ayto to lete eseis. Alla h ekqesh ths Commission poy einai 180 selides den leei tipota tetoio. Qa zhthsei h Ellada apo to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio na zhthsei apo thn Toyrkia ayto poy molis mas eipate;

ANTWNAROS: H ekqesh anaferei kai ayta poy sas eipa.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: H ekqesh leei epi lejei oti exoyn beltiwqei oi sxeseis Elladas-Toyrkias kai h Toyrkia exei katabalei prospaqeies gia to Kypriako. Aytes einai oi mones anafores poy yparxoyn sthn ekqesh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

ROYMELIWTH: Jeroyme oti h ollandikh Proedria den qelei na syzhthqei to qema sto Ektakto Symboylio ayrio, se o,ti afora thn Toyrkia. H Ellada, o Prwqypoyrgos qa to qesei to qema, toylaxiston sto deipno pros syzhthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Enhmerwsh gia ta qemata poy qa syzhthqoyn sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio, poy ginetai ayrio stis Bryjelles, ekane xqes o k. Koymoytsakos stoys diplwmatikoys syntaktes.

BLAXOS: O k. Karamanlhs otan eixe kanei to geyma stoys boyleytes eixe milhsei gia pente ntabatzhdes kai gia pente syntexnies. Kata thn kybernhsh, h Enwsh Dikastwn kai Eisaggelewn einai mesa stis pente syntexnies poy eixe pei tote o k. Karamanlhs;

ANTWNAROS: Opws eipa ki ekeinh thn hmera, o k. Karamanlhs den xrhsimopoiei tetoia fraseologia.

XONDROS: Epanerxontai pali ta senaria peri epikeimenwn epiqesewn enantion toy proswpoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy (den akoygetai) dioti teqhke xqes, ws ektimhsh toy Grammatea toy kommatos. Apo poioys kai gia poio logo anamenontai aytes oi epiqeseis enantion toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ermhneysw osa exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, senaria, fhmes, dhmosieymata feroyn th N.D. na einai se eklogikh etoimothta. Yparxei tetoia skech, yparxoyn tetoia senaria; Ta diaceydete;

ANTWNAROS: Den tiqetai qema eklogwn.

BLAXOS: Poy to jerete;

ANTWNAROS: Den tiqetai qema eklogwn.

LEONTITSH: Fobizei thn kybernhsh to endexomeno to PASOK na odhghsei th xwra se ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den fobatai tipota.

BLAXOS: Epeidh lete oti den yparxei qema eklogwn@

ANTWNAROS: Rwthqhka gia thn kybernhsh poy ekproswpw. Sas eipa oti apo thn pleyra mas, den tiqetai qema eklogwn.

BLAXOS: Jerete, dhladh, kati perissotero gia th symfwnia poy yparxei metajy twn dyo arxhgwn twn kommatwn gia to proswpo toy Proedroy;

ANTWNAROS: Den tiqetai qema prowrwn eklogwn.

BLAXOS: Kai erwtw: Jerete kati perissotero ap` o,ti jeroyme emeis gia to ti exei ginei metajy twn dyo proedrwn twn dyo megalwn kommatwn gia to proswpo toy Proedroy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei ginei tipota apolytws. Sas lew oti den tiqetai qema prowrwn eklogwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Symfwnei h kybernhsh me thn ektimhsh oti oi epiqeseis poy dexqhke o k. Meimarakhs me aformh to zhthma ths ekloghs sthn EPO, einai epiqeseis apo th diaplokh;

ANTWNAROS: H ypoqesh ekleise me tis dhlwseis poy ekane xqes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Alla gia ton k. Meimarakh den exei kleisei.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston k. Meimarakh.

GKOYTZANHS: Rwtame ean h kybernhsh symmerizetai@

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti gia thn kybernhsh to qema exei kleisei apo proxqes.

GKOYTZANHS: Ma, to qema den einai ayto, einai h diaplokh.

ANTWNAROS: To qema exei kleisei apo proxqes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxei kapoio dhmosieyma se efhmerida oti yphrje epafh, proseggish toy k. Mhtropoyloy, moy fainetai kata ton Aygoysto, me to Megaro Majimoy. Agnoeite bebaiws me poion synanthqhke o k. Mhtropoylos ws podosfairikos paragontas.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis den moy lete kai se poia efhmerida grafetai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto ``BHMA''. To qema einai oti grafetai se mia egkyrh efhmerida. Kai lew, to diaceydete h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den moy einai gnwsth kamia tetoia synanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh afhnei akalypto ton k. Meimarakh.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den afhnei kaqoloy akalypto ton k. Meimarakh. Opws sas eipa kai proxqes o k. Meimarakhs synergazetai armonikotata me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai me ola ta melh ths kybernhshs.

SOYGLERHS: Oi periodeies poy sxediazei h kybernhsh gia ton Prwqypoyrgo Kwsta Karamanlh einai ejw apo to proeklogiko klima; Se poies armodiothtes entassontai;

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparjei programma gia periodeies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa sas anakoinwqei.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Arapogloy exei agasth synergasia me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ola ta melh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, o Prwqypoyrgos dexqhke se synergasia prin apo liges hmeres ton k. Arapogloy.

GKOYTZANHS: Htan h prwth fora apo tote poy dioristhke o k. Arapogloy, etsi den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto den mporw na sas to pw. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

SARANTAKOS: Na epistrecw se osa symbainoyn sto xwro toy aqlhtismoy. To gegonos oti akoma, paroti exei perasei sxedon mia ebdomada apo tis ekloges sthn EPO, o k. Orfanos den exei topoqethqei gia ta qemata ayta. Pws to sxoliazete;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw apeyqynqeite ston k. Orfano.

SARANTAKOS: Esas den sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti dexetai epiqesh ena stelexos ths N.D. kai o kaq` ylhn armodios ypoyrgos den bgainei pros ta ejw na ton yperaspistei;

ANTWNAROS: Na apeyqynqeite ston k. Orfano.

SARANTAKOS: Qa ton rwthsw. Sas problhmatizei oti den bgainei o k. Orfanos na kanei mia dhlwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Gia poio pragma na kanei dhlwsh o k. Orfanos;

SARANTAKOS: Dexetai epiqesh o k. Meimarakhs apo paragontes toy podosfairoy (den akoygetai) xarakthra diaplokologias gi ayto to qema. O k. Orfanos siwpa. Ayto problhmatizei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

MPOYATAR: Anaferqhkate se ena briefing toy k. Koymoytsakoy@

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti ekane enhmerwsh o k. Koymoytsakos.

MPOYATAR: Dhladh, ti enhmerwsh; Yparxei epilektiko briefing;

ANTWNAROS: Na apeyqynqeite ston k. Koymoytsako.

MPOYATAR: Alla qa qelame na katagrafei. Einai h deyterh fora. Exoyme apeyqynqei, phrame mia apanthsh poy den krinetai poly ikanopoihtikh. Na katagrafei oti yparxei problhma. Emeis qa apeyqynqoyme kai qa ta janapoyme.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia na mhn yparjei parejhghsh, aplws na shmeiwsoyme oti h kybernhsh leei oti den yparxei qema me thn EPO apo proxqes, enw kai proxqes kai xqes, o k. Meimarakhs se dikes toy syzhthseis me toys dhmosiografoys to krata anoikto. Ara, einai anoikto gia ton k. Meimarakh, oxi gia thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti to qema elhje me tis dhlwseis poy ekana proxqes.

GALIATSATOS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio, epeidh opws fainetai o k. Mpoys qa kerdisei tis ekloges stis HPA kai mallon tis exei kerdisei, apo pleyras kybernhshs gia to apotelesma;

ANTWNAROS: As perimenoyme th gnwstopoihsh twn oristikwn apotelesmatwn.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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