Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-10-14

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Aqhna, 14 Oktwbrioy 2004

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Qa sas enhmerwsw gia to ayriano programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Stis 9:30 to prwi sto Zappeio, qa symmetexei se synanthsh ths Epitrophs Perifereiwn toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos. H synanthsh telei ypo thn aigida toy dhmoy Aqhnaiwn.

Stis 11, qa synanthqei me to dhmosiografo Kwsta Kabbaqa. O Prwqypoyrgos eixe yioqethsei thn idea toy dhmosiografoy, gia monimh syndesh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn me thn patrida mas, peran ths afhs ths flogas. Prokeitai gia mia idea me aytokinhta poy xrhsimopoioyn enallaktikes morfes energeias -kai ta opoia kataskeyazontai apokleistika apo panepisthmia oloy toy kosmoy- kai qa symmetasxoyn sth diadromh poy qa jekina apo thn Olympia kai qa katalhgei sthn polh poy kaqe fora qa diorganwnei toys Olympiakoys Agwnes.

Stis 11:30, qa exei synanthsh me to Manwlh Glezo.

Stis 12:00, qa exei synanthsh me to Dioikhth toy IKA k. Giannh Barqolomaio

Stis 12:30, qa exei synanthsh me to synqeth Giannh Markopoylo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, blepoyme oti to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy perilambanei, peran apo politikes synanthseis kai alloy eidoys, koinwnikoy xarakthra. Exete kati na mas peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me proswpikothtes oxi mono ths politikhs, alla kai ths koinwnikhs zwhs kai me thn idiothta toy ws ypoyrgos Politismoy.

POYLIDOY: O k. Glezos eixe zhthsei o idios synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai.

SOYGLERHS: O Proedros toy PASOK, se xqesinh synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy kommatos, milhse gia ``dikastiko trelokomeio''. Qa hqela to sxolio sas kai ean h Kybernhsh einai diaqesimh na mpei se ayth thn antiparaqesh kai thn entash twn politikwn ejelijewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai pws logoi askhshs antipoliteyshs odhghsan ton k. Papandreoy na ycwsei toys tonoys, kati poy den synhqize ws twra. Einai dikh toy epilogh kai den prokeitai na ton akoloyqhsoyme.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qelw na ypobalw mia erwthsh me dyo skelh: To prwto afora tis sxeseis sas me ton k. Antwnaro, ean pragmati xqes, kata th diarkeia ths enhmerwshs twn politikwn syntaktwn, ton ``adeiasate'', opws yposthrizoyn shmerina dhmosieymata. To deytero afora to sxolio ths efhmeridas EQNOS, opoy xarakthrizei prwtoklasato stelexos ths paratajhs sas, ton k. Ebert, ``qlibero yperaspisth toy eqnikoy ntabatzh''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Par@ oti apofeygw na anaferomai se se sxolia efhmeridwn, qewrw aparadektoys toys oroys poy xrhsimopoioyntai gia ton prwhn Proedro ths N.D., k. Miltiadh Ebert, apo opoydhpote kai an proerxontai. Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas, aposafhnisa mia qesh h opoia fanhke sthn arxh na mhn einai safhs. H synergasia moy me ton k. Antwnaro einai acogh. To gnwrizete, allwste, apo prwto xeri.

IWANNOY: Pro hmerwn, eixate ena ranteboy me ton k. Emfietzogloy, proswpo to opoio apodeixqhke katalytiko sthn apofash poy phre to ESR, proxqes, kai den edwse pistopoihtiko diafaneias sthn AKTWR. Rwtw an sas eixe metaferei ayto to problhma o k. Emfietzogloy, an hsastan enhmeros kai an probhkate se kapoies energeies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H syndesh twn dyo qematwn einai lanqasmenh. Den exei na kanei to ena me to allo. Opws eixe eipwqei kai tote toso apo emena, oso kai apo ton k. Antwnaro poy rwthqhke ekeines tis hmeres- o sygkekrimenos epixeirhmatias exei prosfygei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias, exontas apoceis gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy. Diabazontas tis efhmerides kai gnwrizontas oti h kybernhsh protiqetai na ferei sxedio nomoy poy na afora to basiko metoxo, zhthse na me dei gia na moy pei tis protaseis toy. Moy paredwse tis protaseis toy mono gi@ ayto to qema. Epanalambanw oti exw synanthqei me polloys anqrwpoys, eite prokeitai gia memonwmena proswpa poy exoyn sxesh me ta MME - ws ofeilw allwste- eite me enwseis, oi opoies ekproswpoyn MME, entos kai ektos Aqhnwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Me toys diaplekomenoys, dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi synanthseis tis opoies kanw, einai anoiktes kai anakoinwsimes. Krinete eseis apo ekei kai pera, ean periexoyn proswpa san ayta poy eipate. Shmasia omws den exei toso me poion synantatai kaneis, oso h politikh poy askei kai ths opoias to apotelesma to blepete sthn prajh.

SOYGLERHS: To epomeno ranteboy sas, meta ton k. Xatzhnikolaoy kai ton k. Kakaoynakh, me poion dhmosiografo @ stelexos qa einai, kyrie Ypoyrge;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opoios dhmosiografos zhtei na me dei, to jerete polloi edw sthn aiqoysa apo proswpikh empeiria, me blepei. @Allwste, ayth einai h doyleia moy. Synantw dhmosiografoys, dieyqyntes twn meswn enhmerwshs, anqrwpoys poy kinoyntai peri ton ekdotiko xwro twn MME. Alla, ws fainetai, prepei na lew kai ta aytonohta.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: O k. Erntogan diaceydei ayta poy eipate pro mhnos, sthn Ekqesh ths Qessalonikhs, oti yparxei symfwnia gia meiwsh twn ejoplistikwn programmatwn. Ti lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lew oti einai ena ayqaireto diko sas symperasma. O k. Erntogan erwthqeis -opws anaferetai kai sto deltio typoy ths ERT sthn opoia filojenhqhke h synenteyjh toy- gia to an me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo exoyn kanei kapoia synennohsh gia to zhthma ths meiwshs twn amyntikwn ejoplismwn, apanthse epi lejei: ``Fysika. Ayto qa einai pros ofelos twn dyo xwrwn''. H apanthsh toy, loipon, epibebaiwnei apolytws ta osa exei pei h Kybernhsh olo ayto to diasthma.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: An moy epitrepete, sto idio qema. Leei: ``Asfalws, einai kai mia genikh syzhthsh poy kaname. Ayto den einai problhma mono ths Elladas kai ths Toyrkias, einai genikotero problhma poy apasxolei olo ton planhth''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai apasxolei olo ton planhth.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ayth einai h dhlwsh toy k. Erntogan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An epilejete ayto poy eseis qelete, bebaiws qa bgalete ena symperasma poy einai ayqaireto. Sas janalew: Sthn erwthsh ean exoyn kanei kapoia synennohsh me ton k. Karamanlh gia to zhthma ths meiwshs twn amyntikwn ejoplismwn, h apanthsh toy htan ``fysika''. Kai synexise ``ayto qa einai pros ofelos twn dyo xwrwn''. To amfisbhtei kanenas ayto;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: qelete na mas peite kai (den akoygetai) gi@ ayth th synennohsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Exw pei o,ti htan na pw, edw kai poly kairo.

XIDIROGLOY: Sth xqesinh synenteyjh toy k. Erntogan sthn Ellhnikh Thleorash, eidame oti o idios o Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos apefyge na desmeyqei gia orismena pragmata, opws gia paradeigma thn anagnwrish ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias kai kapoia pragmata poy problepontai apo to Dieqnes Dikaio, opws to qema ths toyrkikhs politikhs enanti toy Oikoymenikoy Patriarxeioy kaih epanaleitoyrgia ths Qeologikhs Sxolhs ths Xalkhs. Ean kai efoson h toyrkikh hgesia emmeinei na mhn probainei se ayta poy prepei, malista enocei entajiakwn diapragmateysewn, poia qa einai h stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apantw se erwthseis me ean kai efoson. En pash periptwsei, gia kaqena apo ta zhthmata poy rwtate kai aforoyn to Patriarxeio, th Qeologikh Sxolh Xalkhs, thn poreia ths Toyrkias pros ton ekdhmokratismo, thn enarmonish toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy ths se sxesh me to Koinotiko Dikaio, exei apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos sth DEQ, alla kai egw polles fores. Ola ayta, apoteloyn paragontes poy synektimwntai gia thn ejelijh ths eyrwpaikhs prooptikhs ths xwras.

TAKHS: Exei proklhqei enas qorybos kai yparxoyn kai antidraseis apo boyleytes toy PASOK sxetika me to ``kocimo'' ths omilias toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias apo thn ejetastikh ylh twn TEE gia th B@ Lykeioy. Yparxei kapoio sxolio; Dedomenoy oti h ka Giannakoy ekane kai xqes kai shmera dhlwseis kai eipe oti pente xronia htan ayto to maqhma kai oti kai tis prohgoymenes xronies eixan kopei apospasmata toy Seferh k.a.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symfwna me ta dhmosieymata poy eida kai opws diatypwnetai h erwthsh, to Paidagwgiko Institoyto emfanizetai na exei logokrinei keimena kai na mhn ta exei perilabei sth didaktea ylh, pragma apolytws ceydes. To Paidagwgiko Institoyto anaferei sthn anakoinwsh toy oti to keimeno ayto, opws kai alla, perilambanontai sth didaktea ylh. Oloi gnwrizoyme oti yparxei didaktea ylh kai ejetastea ylh. Shmasia exei an didasketai ena keimeno kai oxi ean ejetazetai kapoios se ayto. Kata synepeia, einai parelkystika ta osa eipwqhkan kai grafthkan, xqes kai shmera, se sxesh me ayto to qema. Ta keimena ayta den afaireqhkan. Didaskontai kanonika.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Parola ayta, den yparxei ena qema poy den ejetazontai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti qema akribws yparxei;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Einai to keimeno toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, to opoio diabase to 1999, paroysia toy Amerikanoy Proedroy k. Klinton kai sto opoio ekane anafora panw sta eqnika qemata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afaireqhke ayto to keimeno;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Giati na mhn ejetazetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apeyqynqeite sto Paidagwgiko Institoyto. Sas apanthsa oti zhthma logokrisias opws eteqh einai entelws parelkystiko. Apo th stigmh poy didasketai to keimeno, poios swfrwn anqrwpos, poy gnwrizei thn ellhnikh glwssa, mporei na mas pei oti ayto apaleifqhke;

TAKHS: Peran aytoy, exei kanei kai mia dhlwsh, xqes, h ka Giannakoy sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, sxetika me to aithma twn boyleytwn toy PASOK na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta meteggrafes poy exoyn ginei kai aforoyn syggenika proswpa politikwn kai eipe oti ean ayta doqoyn sth dhmosiothta den qa to antejei, oyte h Boylh, alla oyte to politiko systhma mas. Giati qa breqoyn para polla gnwsta onomata apo to xwro ths politikhs se ayto ton katalogo. Yparxei kapoio sxolio; Exete kanei kapoia syzhthsh me thn ka Giannakoy kai sas exei pei poia einai ayta ta onomata kai poioys aforoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, den exw kanei kamia syzhthsh. Sas qymizw mono oti den einai qema epiloghs kapoiwn onomatwn. Polla onomata akoysthkan sta MME, ekeines tis hmeres. Einai zhthma qesmikwn parembasewn ths kybernhshs kai ayto exei poly megalh shmasia. H qesmikh parembash paizei rolo kai oxi h onomatologia poy en telei den odhgei poyqena. H ypoqesh -qymizw oti jekinhse me erwthsh poy egine sth Boylh apo boyleyth toy PASOK- katelhje sto na teqei epiteloys ena qesmiko plaisio, pio antikeimeniko apo to prohgoymeno, gia to pws qa ginontai apo edw kai sto ejhs oi meteggrafes sta AEI. H qesmikh parembash, loipon, hrqe na sfragisei to telos mias anarxias poy yphrxe, na kleisei ta diafora paraqyra sta opoia anafereste kai na anoijei enan kainoyrgio dromo pio antikeimenikhs krishs, etsi wste o foithths poy zhta meteggrafh, na meteggrafetai.

TAKHS: H dhlwsh ths kas Giannakoy oti den qa to antejei h Boylh kai to politiko systhma, sas fobizei; Giati rwthsame, xqes to brady, kapoioys boyleytes toy PASOK kai thn ka Rapth kai mas eipan oti den mas endiaferei. As bgoyn kai 30-40 boyleytes oti exoyn kanei meteggrafes gia na jekaqarisei h hra apo to stari.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika kai den fobizei thn kybernhsh kati tetoio.

IWANNOY: Qa doqoyn ayta ta onomata; Giati, otan dhlwnei h ypoyrgos Paideias oti qa dhmioyrghqei salos, oysiastika afhnei kai kapoies skies. Dhladh pisteyete oti prepei ayta ta onomata na ginoyn gnwsta; Diaforetika giati to leei h ka Giannakoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na apeyqynqeite sthn ka Giannakoy gia leptomereies. Oson afora tis ``skies'' poy lete, qa emene ws skia ean yphrxe emmesh anafora h ypainigmos gia sygkekrimena onomata h xwroys. Shmasia gia thn kybernhsh exei oti egine qesmikh parembash kai ekleise ena qema poy htan poly shmantiko gia ena megalo meros ths ellhnikhs koinwnias.

XIWTHS: Blepw oti ekfrazete mia aporia gia ta shmerina dhmosieymata, se sxesh me thn ejetastea h didaktea ylh twn TEE. Den symfwneite oti o basikos kormos ths ylhs apoteleitai apo thn ejetastea ylh kai dhmioyrgei synepws ena problhma, proswpikothtes opws o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, o Mikhs Qeodwrakhs, alla kai proswpikh sas filh h ka Dhmoyla, ejairoyntai apo ayth thn ylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti, opws qetete to qema, emfanizetai san na afaireqhkan ta keimena ayta apo th didaktea ylh. Shmasia exei ean ta paidia mas didaskontai ayta ta keimena kai ta didaskontai. Den ta afairese kaneis. Einai deytereyon qema, an sto telos toy etoys qa ejetastoyn se ayta ta keimena. Yparxei kapoios apo edw @kai eimaste diaforetikes genies- poy na mhn perase apo to sxoleio kai na mhn eide oti h didaktea ylh einai perissoterh apo thn ejetastea ylh;

POYLIDOY: Eseis diabazate ayta ta opoia den eprokeito na dwsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mas ta didaskan oi daskaloi mas sto sxoleio. O,ti einai sth didaktea ylh den apagoreyetai na didasketai. Antiqetws epiballetai.

XIWTHS: Den dexeste oti h ejetastea ylh einai o kormos ths ylhs kaqe xronias kai se ayth epikentrwnoyn oi maqhtes tis prospaqeies toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afairoyntai ta maqhmata ths didakteas ylhs apo to kaqhmerino maqhma;

XIWTHS: Edw afairoyntai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afairoyntai apo thn ejetastea ylh. Didaskontai, omws, kata th diarkeia toy sxolikoy etoys.

XIWTHS: Didaskontai, alla paramenei gnwsh deyterhs taxythtas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to an einai gnwsh prwths h deyterhs taxythtas, qa prepei na ejetasoyme kai thn prosoxh poy deixnei kaqe daskalos kai maqhths sta keimena poy didaskontai, ston tropo didaskalias k.t.l. Antilambanomai ta erwthmata sas. Epanalambanw, omws, kati to opoio erxetai se amesh synafeia me th logikh: otan kati didasketai, einai paralogo kai parelkystiko na yposthrizetai apo opoiondhpote oti exei ginei logokrisia. Pisteyw oti ayth thn apoch thn katalabainei to megalytero meros twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KAKALHS: Ena eidiko qema: Me poio skeptiko ekxwrhsate syxnothta gia th dhmioyrgia radiofwnikoy staqmoy sta Xania gia thn cyxagwgia twn amerikanikwn strateymatwn sth Soyda;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws jerete h ekxwrhsh syxnothtwn me bash to Syntagma kai toys efarmostikoys nomoys, ginetai apo to ESR.

KAKALHS: Den yparxei allhlografia anamesa se esas kai toy ESR;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yphrje allhlografia, yphrje aithma -opws yparxoyn polla aithmata- otan oi nomoi epitrepoyn thn ekxwrhsh syxnothtwn. To ESR einai ekeino poy apofasizei oristika.

KAKALHS: H politikh qesh sas poia einai; Na ekxwrhqei h adeia gia th syxnothta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean o nomos to epitrepei, den mporw na exw kamia antirrhsh. Ekei, poy diafwnw kai poy kata kairoys exw antirrhseis -kata toys mhnes poy yphretw se ayth th qesh- einai na ginetai kati to opoio den epitrepetai apo to Syntagma kai toys efarmostikoys nomoys. Otan to epitrepei to Syntagma kai o efarmostikos nomos, einai ypoxrewsh moy na symfwnhsw. Ypoxrewsh moy, epishs, einai na diafwnhsw kai na mhn ypogracw paranomes prajeis ws Ypoyrgos Epikrateias.

XIWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, prin apo ligo kata thn omilia toy pros thn K.O. ths N.D. aposyndese th diadikasia ths ekloghs Proedroy Dhmokratias apo tis prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs gia th qespish enos neoy plaisioy diafaneias. Epimenei oti qa akoloyqhsei synainetikes diadikasies gia thn eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratias. Oi eishghseis poy fantazomai oti dexetai, oti ayth h diadikasia prepei na epitaxynqei, meleta h kybernhsh to endexomeno na epitaxynei tis prwtoboylies ths gia thn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Molis shmera to eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Eipe sto xrono ton opoio krinei oti einai dokimos gia na arxisoyn oi diadikasies.

XIWTHS: Ean moy epitrepete, ayto einai arketa aoristo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na sas pw thn hmeromhnia.

XIWTHS: Den eipa akribws thn hmeromhnia@alla qa eisaste fantazomai -kai pleon to lene koryfaia stelexh ths paratajhs sas- oti h syzhthsh ayth gia thn eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratia, anafyetai se opoio allo zhthma ths epikairothtas kai ginetai alatopipero, opws eipe xarakthristika shmera koryfaio stelexos sas. Sas apasxolei ayto, oti empleketai synexws h diadikasia gia thn eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratias se opoio allo zhthma ths epikairothtas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero. Kaqe pragma ston kairo toy, to exoyme pei.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia to basiko metoxo: Yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories poy anaferoyn oti yparxei nomiko kwlyma ws pros ton apokleismo twn off shore etaireiwn. To kwlyma ayto afora kyriws tis ryqmiseis peri ygioys antagwnismoy. Eseis poy epejergazeste to nomosxedio epibebaiwnete h diaceydete tis plhrofories;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia epitroph h opoia epejergazetai epi pente mhnes to nomosxedio. Se ayth symmetexoyn ekproswpoi toy dikastikoy kladoy, toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias, toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs kai toy Ypoyrgoy Epikrateias. Den protiqemai na dwsw plhrofories ews otoy etoimastei to nomosxedio.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes eixame mia parembash toy Proedroy toy SEB gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy, opoy en oligois eipe oti aytos o nomos dhmioyrgei grafeiokratia kai empodizei thn epixeirhmatikothta, opws dhlwsan peripoy. Poios nomos; O nomos poy yparxei twra peri basikoy metoxoy kai me ola ayta ta pistopoihtika diafaneias poy qa prepei na egkrinei to ESR. Ayto parallhla dhmioyrgei problhmata sthn epixeirhmatikothta. H kybernhsh exei kati ep` aytoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai to deytero kai to ESR exei na diekperaiwsei ena terastio ogko grafeiokratias, enw parallhla den exei enisxyqei oyte apo th dikh sas kybernhsh me thn aparaithth ypodomh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai desmeysh mas na enisxyqoyn oi elegktikes arxes. Mesa se aytes symperilambanetai kai to ESR.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na epanaferw mia erwthsh thn opoia eixa diatypwsei proxqes kai h opoia afora th syllogikh symbash ergasias twn texnikwn ths idiwtikhs thleorashs. (den akoygetai)@mia apanthsh apo ton k. Antwnaro kai ti protiqeste na kanete einai armodiothta dikh sas kai toy k. Panagiwtopoyloy, ean den kanw laqos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Giakoymatos xeirizetai to qema. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw ayrio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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