Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-01-30

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 30 Ianoyarioy 2004

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI

KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Ypoqetw, kyrie Siderh, oti eidate thn anakoinwsh toy SEDEA;

SIDERHS: Den me afora. Egw politika koitaja to qema, oti otan htan kales oi dhmoskophseis@

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete dei thn anakoinwsh toy SEDEA, poy epibebaiwnei th xqesinh qesh moy.

SIDERHS: Eseis pagideythkate, otan htan kales oi dhmoskophseis@

PRWTOPAPAS: Egw den ekana kanena sxolio se thlefwnikh dhmoskophsh. Yparxei h anakoinwsh toy SEDEA. Htan plhrws armozoysa h parembash moy.

SIDERHS: Mhpws skeftetai o k. Papandreoy na apokleisei eayton apo thn ypochfiothta toy boyleyth toy PASOK, opws apekleise toys alloys ennia meta thn tropologia poy synypegrace gia to jenodoxeio toy Mamidakh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, dikaiwma sas einai na diatypwnete tis erwthseis, opws qelete, alla katalabainete oti den einai swstos deontologika o tropos poy ypoblhqhke h erwthsh. En pash periptwsei, egw eimai ypoxrewmenos na apanthsw.

SIDERHS: Htan me ligo xioymor, giati to xioymor swzei tetoies hmeres.

PRWTOPAPAS: To xioymor genikws symballei, alla einai orismena qemata, poy h sobarothta einai epibeblhmenh. Milate gia thn tropologia poy afora to qema toy jenodoxeioy. Yparxei, bebaiws, h anakoinwsh ths ypoyrgoy PEXWDE Basws Papandreoy, h opoia einai analytikotath. Peran, omws, aytoy, qa mporoysa kai egw na pw oti prokeitai apla, sto plaisio toy olympiakoy nomosxedioy kai ths ejyphrethshs twn anagkwn twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, gia mia @qa elega- mikrh epektash ths gnwsths adeias poy problepotan gi` aytes tis periptwseis anakainisewn @giati gia anakainish prokeitai- apo 20 klines se 30. Praktika einai ena qema poy afora toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Entassetai se mia genikoterh symfwnia, h opoia yphrxe sth Boylh, opws gnwrizete, me eyryterh pleiochfia kai exei perasei edw kai kairo, xwris na prokalesei kanena problhma, dioti akribws erxetai na ylopoihsei th genikoterh ikanopoihsh twn anagkwn poy dhmioyrgoysan oi Olympiakoi Agwnes. Ejalloy, yparxei kai sxetikh programmatikh symfwnia me to ``Aqhna-2004''.

SIDERHS: Ekeino poy problhmatizei einai oti yperkerase to StE h sxetikh tropologia.

PRWTOPAPAS: H tropologia erxotan na lysei kai na dieykolynei orismena qemata, akribws gia na mporoyme na eimaste synepeis se o,ti afora toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Gnwrizete oti yphrxe ena genikotero plaisio, to opoio eixe chfisei kai h N.D.. Kai gia na mhn yparjoyn antidraseis, na tonisw oti oxi to sygkekrimeno, alla to genikotero plaisio. Htan ena genikotero plaisio poy perielambane mia taxyterh antapokrish se periptwseis anakainisewn jenodoxeiwn kai metatropwn mexri enos orioy 20 klinwn. Ayto, to mono poy epekteinei einai to orio twn klinwn kai malista se poly mikro ariqmo. Ginetai apokleistika gia na mporesei na ikanopoihsei mia sygkekrimenh anagkh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, me dedomeno oti yphrxe kai symbash. Peran, omws, aytoy, yparxei ena qema: Exei perasei tosos kairos. Giati erxetai ayth thn epoxh; Exei syzhthqei kanonika sth Boylh. Etsi den einai;

SIDERHS: Egw diabazw apo to Rizospasth@ gia to StE@

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw oti hrqe me to fws ths hmeras kai exei syzhthqei. Prepei na jerete oti afora to olympiako nomosxedio. Epeidh akribws aforoyse to olympiako nomosxedio kai eidika to Olympiakos Projeneio, yparxei h ypografh toy k. Papandreoy. Gi` ayto to logo yphrxe, oxi pws eixe kapoia emplokh sto sygkekrimeno qema. Alla ekeino poy moy kanei entypwsh einai giati, gia ena qema poly gnwsto, poly kaqaro kai polysyzhthmeno, giati erxetai twra kai malista me ton tropo ayto; Ti qelei na kanei;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Poion rwtate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Symperasmata bgazw. Qelei @kai egw nomizw oti ayto einai safes- na synexisei ena klima skandalologias twn hmerwn. As mh krybomaste pisw apo to daktylo mas. Entassetai sto klima skandalologias kai proswpikwn epiqesewn, me to opoio orismenoi epixeiroyn na apodomhsoyn thn politikh mas kai th megalh aphxhsh poy exei to proswpo toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy stoys polites. Me ayto ton tropo den prokeitai na petyxoyn tipota. Me ta cemata kai th lasph den prokeitai na petyxoyn tipota. As to katalaboyn kala. Kai toys kaloyme epiteloys na milhsoyn gia politikh. Aytes tis hmeres o Giwrgos Papandreoy anaferqhke se mia seira eyaisqhta qemata poy aforoyn th neolaia, se qemata apasxolhshs, se qemata poy exoyn sxesh me ta narkwtika. Qa anaferqei, shmera, se qemata perifereiakhs anaptyjhs kai sth synexeia se qemata sxetika me thn agrotikh paragwgh, se qemata poy aforoyn th zwh mas kai th zwh twn politwn, thn poreia ths xwras. Qa ta syzhthsoyme h qa synexisoyme na dhmioyrgoyme texnhta synnefa panw apo thn politikh zwh; Katalabete kati: An orismenoi prospaqoyn na mimhqoyn to 1989, to mono poy qa petyxoyn einai na fqeiroyn kai toys eaytoys toys.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh balate zhthmata skandalologias kai ta loipa kai epeidh to qema shmera to exei o Rizospasths, kapoios prepei fantazomai na apanthsei se ayta poy eipate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Na apanthsei o Rizospasths kai exei olo to dikaiwma na apanthsei. Edw hrqate gia na kanete erwthseis.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O Rizospasths sas anagnwrizei ayto poy eipate, oti pernate fwtografikes tropologies kai thn hmera. Sas rwtw@

PRWTOPAPAS: Twra to qymhqhkate;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Malista. Mporeite na moy peite giati dexqhke h ka Basw Papandreoy na perasei molis prin apo tesseris hmeres, dhladh stis 26 Genarh 2004, me ypoyrgikh apofash thn prowqhsh ayths ths tropologias; To qymhqhkame twra, giati prin apo akribws tesseris hmeres, h ypoyrgos PEXWDE, me ypoyrgikh apofash ths, prowqhse ayth thn katafanestata fwtografikh tropologia, afoy ayth h tropologia eixe syzhthqei sto fws ths hmeras, prin apo eji, epta, oktw mhnes; Giati prin apo tesseris hmeres prowqhse h ka Papandreoy ayth th fwtografikh diatajh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ena qema poy exei perasei apo th Boylh, edw kai kairo. Den einai shmerino. Einai ena qema poy syzhthqhke kai exei ylopoihqei. Einai ena qema poy to gnwrizete. Den pisteyw oti h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy KKE h oi alles dynameis den to hjeran. Einai ena qema poy exei kleisei kai eixe syzhthqei sto fws ths hmeras. Eixan analyqei ta epixeirhmata. Eixe apofasisei to Koinoboylio. H syndesh kai h epanafora aytoy toy problhmatos twra, einai safes oti apotelei synexish ths prospaqeias ths skandalologias. Kapoioi qeloyn na trabhjoyn th skandalologia mexri tis ekloges. Kapoioi qeloyn na mimhqoyn to 1989. Kapoioi nomizoyn oti qa mporesoyn me ayto ton tropo na dhmioyrghsoyn oroys apodomhshs kai anakophs toy megaloy reymatos pleiochfias poy dhmioyrgei o Giwrgos Papandreoy. Einai gelasmenoi. Kai qa toys apanthsoyme kai qa toys apokalycoyme kai qa milhsoyme gia politikes. Giati ayto xreiazetai kai prosdoka o ellhnikos laos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kala kanete kai qymaste to skandalo toy @89, giati ki ekeino jekinhse@

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn bgei ta symperasmata kai eidate poy eftasan kapoioi.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Synexizw thn erwthsh: Giati ki ekeino to skandalo jekinhse apo mia fwtografikh poleodomikh diatajh ths Pallhnhs, opws kai toyto edw kai erwtw: Mporeite na moy peite, giati exw dei na anaptyssetai mia epixeirhmatologia tis teleytaies hmeres, kai kala kanete endexomenws, kata toy k. Paylopoyloy oti@

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa egw tipota;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Lew ws PASOK kai ws kybernhsh@

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanena PASOK den aneptyje tetoies epixeirhmatologies. Proswpika antiparatiqemai syxna me ton k. Paylopoylo kai me polla stelexh ths N.D., alla mh mas bazete twra se tetoioy eidoys anametrhsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Legetai oti den einai swsto kapoios, o opoios yphretei to Dhmosio, diaxeirizetai ta dhmosia pragmata, na einai to prwi me toys idiwtes kai to brady na askei politikh gia to dhmosio symferon. Kathgoroyntai h N.D. kai ekproswpoi ths, opws en prokeimenw o k. Paylopoylos, oxi apo esas, alla apo ypochfioys boyleytes sas, oti phgainei me idiwtes kai yperaspizetai enwpion dikasthriwn tis ypoqeseis toys k.tl. enantia stis apofaseis toy StE. Kai erwtw: Stis 4 Aprilh toy 2003 to StE apofanqhke oti h sygkekrimenh periptwsh gia thn opoia milame, to jenodoxeio ths k. Mamidakh einai paranomo kai den prepei na yparxei tetoioy eidoys jenodoxeio sth sygkekrimenh perioxh. Giati, parakamcate to StE;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei epibohqhtika sthn anakoinwsh toy YPEXWDE poy exei poly pio polla stoixeia.

TAKHS: Xqes, to brady sthn ekpomph toy k. Triantafyllopoyloy h grammateas, htan den htan grammateas, toy k. Steggoy anaferqhke se kapoion k. Makrywnith@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai kapoios o k. Makrywniths. Einai texnikos symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

TAKHS: En pash periptwsei einai symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai eipe oti eixe synexws epafes me ton k. Steggo kai diafora alla tetoia pragmata. Qa mas peite kati ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Makrywniths, me entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eixe paei sto Porto Karras gia na elegjei thn proodo twn ergasiwn gia th Synodo Koryfhs. O k. Makrywniths, ws texnikos symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eixe analabei na elegjei, wste ola na ginoyn swsta, ta aparaithta erga kai gia thn proetoimasia toy jenodoxeioy, alla kai gia ta Kentra Typoy, kaqws kai tis alles ypodomes gia th filojenia ths Synodoy Koryfhs. Phge kai elegje kai ergasthke, me poly kalo tropo malista, wste na epitaxynqoyn oi ergasies kai na einai ola etoima sthn wra toys. Giati, opws jerete, egine enas agwnas dromoy, prokeimenoy na einai ola etoima sth Synodo Koryfhs. O k. Makrywniths me idiaiterh synepeia kai eyqynh doylece gi` ayto to skopo. Poio einai to problhma; Den qa eprepe na paei o texnikos symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Porto Karras na elegjei pws pane oi ergasies, otan eixe thn eyqynh, otan eixe analabei na symbalei @kai malista me kaqoristiko tropo, se ayto to zhthma; Apo thn Aqhna qa ekane th doyleia toy;

Otan leitoyrgei mia kybernhsh, apo th stigmh poy kanei ena diagwnismo, apo th stigmh poy kanei mia prokhryjh kai kapoios analambanei ena ergo, toys oroys ekteleshs toy ergoy qa toys parakoloyqhsei. Kai qa synanthqei mazi toy kai qa toy pei ti ginetai kai qa rwthsei, qa kanei tis ypodeijeis kai tis katagrafes ths, tis diorqwseis ths. Den katalabainw giati yparxei ayth h tash na enoxopoioyntai ola ayta. Pragmatika den mporw na to katalabw. Qa pame etsi mexri tis ekloges; Qa xrhsimopoioyme ton opoiondhpote leei kati, prokeimenoy na rixnoyme synnefa panw apo to dhmosio bio; Exete th gnwmh oti ayto den qa dialysei ta panta, den qa apobei telika moiraio gia ekeinoys poy prwtostatoyn kai kaqodhgoyn aytes tis energeies;

ZOYLAS: Exei ginei diagwnismos gia thn epilogh toy Porto Karras, mias kai to anaferate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa genika. Apo ekei kai pera gia to Porto Karras, katalabainete poly kala oti eginan oi sxetikes ekdhlwseis endiaferontos kai epelegh anagkastika to Porto Karras -to gnwrizete@ giati den yphrxe allh lysh. Bebaiws mphkan oria, ypografhke mia symbash, h opoia htan kaqarh, thn elegjan oloi. Den egine oyte en kryptw, oyte kaneis diatypwse antirrhsh. Kai oxi monon ayto, alla thn parakoloyqhsame, wste na ektelestei plhrws. Ayto qa eprepe na to exoyme xairethsei kai na exoyme apodwsei ta eyshma se ekeinoys poy doylecan, oxi na toys egkaloyme.

LAMPRAKOS: Den jerw an entassetai sto klima twn hmerwn kai ayta ta 1,4 ekatommyria eyrw poy estalhsan apo to ypoyrgeio twn Ejwterikwn sthn ellhnikh koinothta ths Melboyrnhs. Qelw na sas rwthsw gi` ayto, giati oi erwthseis twn boyleytwn xronologoyntai apo polloys mhnes prin kai den phran sygkekrimenh apanthsh: Poios zhthse ta lefta kai giati estalhsan apo to YPEJ kai oxi apo th Genikh @

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei apo to programma dhmosiwn ependysewn, an den kanw laqos, na xrhmatodothqoyn tetoies drasthriothtes syllogwn kai swmateiwn. Panta yparxoyn parastatika. Profanws ayta ta xrhmata den exoyn antlhqei akomh.

LAMPRAKOS: Antlhqhkan. Phge h epitagh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ennow oti den exoyn xaqei ta xrhmata, den exoyn xrhsimopoihqei.

LAMPRAKOS: To problhma einai oti kanenas den ta zhthse. Aplws ta steilame.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto, omws, den to gnwrizete. Den einai oti kanenas den ta zhthse. Profanws den yparxei kapoio parastatiko, alla ayto den shmainei oti den eixan zhthqei h oti den eixan prohghqei synennohseis.

TAKHS: Pantws sthn erwthsh poy ekane o k. Lafazanhs gia to idio qema, empleketai o k. Paxtas, gi` ayto rwtame.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, alla edw ta lefta ayta einai sth diaqesh ths ellhnikhs koinothtas, opws gnwrizete. Den ta phre kaneis, oyte ta ebale sthn tseph toy. Mh dhmioyrgoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn, epiteloys. Moy didetai, pragmatika, h entypwsh oti orismenoi prospaqoyn ``nte kai kala'', trabwntas qemata ``apo ta mallia'', na synexistei ayto to klima skandalologias. Exw thn entypwsh oti orismenoi prospaqoyn dia ths bias na oikodomhsoyn ena neo @89. Mpoymerangk, se baros toys qa bgei. O laos qelei lyseis kai protaseis. Qelei apanthseis panw sta problhmata toy. Qa ginei katanohto ayto; Emeis janabazoyme thn politikh sto proskhnio. Oriste kyrioi: Na erqei h N.D. kai ta alla kommata na koybentiasoyme gia to qema ths Paideias, gia ta qemata ths Apasxolhshs, ths Perifereiakhs Organwshs kai anadiarqrwshs toy kratoys, gia ta qemata twn agrotwn. O Giwrgos Papandreoy ayta qa paroysiasei aytes tis hmeres. Opoios exei qeseis kai koyragio na tis yperaspisei, o dromos einai anoiktos.

ZOYLAS: Ep` aytoy poy eipate, epeidh ta kommata exoyn kataqesei kapoia programmata, estw gia kapoioys apo toys tomeis poy anaferate kai anamenoyme na@

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, alla anti na syzhtoyme gia ta programmata, syzhtoyme alla ant` allwn. Caxnoyn orismenoi na broyme tropologies poy exoyn chfistei prin apo ena xrono, les kai den tis hjeran.

ZOYLAS: En pash periptwsei, apo to qema Paxta @piqanws, den gnwrizw- proekyce olo ayto kai den jerw pws proklhqhke. To erwthma moy einai: Epeidh, dhmosiografikws, ayto poy exoyme antilhfqei oloi einai oti to plhres proeklogiko programma toy PASOK qa anakoinwqei sto Synedrio, ekei qa anakoinwqoyn kai ana tomea oi proeklogikes desmeyseis toy k. Papandreoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: To programma anaferetai se tomeis.

ZOYLAS: Ennow ana tomea kai me sygkekrimenes anafores. Qa doqei, dhladh, kai kapoio fylladio se mas me tis sygkekrimenes desmeyseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa paroysiastei to programma kai profanws qa paroysiastei kai stoys tomeis toy. Qa einai kai kata tomea. Qa exei bebaiws th genikh filosofia toy, thn politikh kateyqynsh toy, qa einai kai kata tomea.

Me thn eykairia, qa hqela na kanw mia anafora: Eida ton k. Roysopoylo, o opoios arga to brady, xqes, se dhlwsh toy kathgorhse ton k. Papandreoy oti parapoihse h kata kapoion tropo den apedwse swsta thn omilia toy Proedroy ths N.D. sth Boylh. Mia stigmh. Ti eipe o k. Papandreoy; O k. Papandreoy milhse gia th symperifora ths N.D. apenanti stoys Ellhnes Pontioys. Ki egw erwtw: Htan, nai h oxi, aparadekth kai apajiwtikh h symperifora ths N.D. kai twn stelexwn ths apenanti stoys Ellhnes Pontioys; Htan safws. Qymaste polles dhlwseis stelexwn ths N.D. poy prospaqoysan na kataggeiloyn stis ekloges toy 2000, to qema twn dhqen paranomwn ellhnopoihsewn, to qema ths dhqen noqeias, profanws gia na dikaiologhsoyn kata aparadekto kai mikrokommatiko tropo thn htta toys stis ekloges. Ekeinoi prosebalan toys Ellhnes Pontioys. Ekeinoi dhmioyrgoysan mia eikona peri dhqen paranomwn ellhnopoihsewn h ellhnopoihsewn ``maimoydwn''. Prosbalan toys Ellhnes Pontioys kata to xeirotero tropo. Kai twra erxontai na mas zhthsoyn na apologhqoyme;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mhpws exete ypoch sas kapoies dhlwseis toy k. Kalafath;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete aytes tis hmeres einai para-para polloi boyleytes kai stelexh olwn twn kommatwn stis thleoraseis kai pragmatika yparxei panta mia xronikh ysterhsh sth gnwsh oswn legontai.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Na sas tis metaferw en syntomia. Erwthqeis, sthn ERA5, giati ena megalo kommati twn synanqrwpwn mas den exei ikanopoihtikh syntajh, eipe oti polloi apo aytoys htan kommoynistes, breqhkan stis ejories kai epeidh to KKE den toys afhne na kanoyn dhlwseis metanoias, dielysan tis oikogeneies toys@ Aporeite ki eseis; Ki egw aporw me ayta poy eipe.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporei na eipe etsi o k. Kalafaths.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw, moy arkei h apanthsh sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: H ERA 5 ekpempei sta braxea kai akoygetai ston apodhmo Ellhnismo. Qa to dw, omws, qa to elegjw kai qa sas apanthsw.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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