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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Ianoyarioy 2004

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h protash poy kateqese, xqes, o G. Papandreoy exei synanthsei kai eymenh, alla kai arnhtika sxolia. Epishs, yparxei kai mia kritikh epishmansh oti den einai plhrws jekaqarismenh ws protash. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti ajizei na kanoyme, kat` arxas, ena sxolio kai sth synexeia na ejhghsoyme kapoia pragmata. H protash poy katateqhke, xqes, sto Layrio apo ton Giwrgo Papandreoy einai mia tolmhrh protash. Einai mia tomh poy filodojei na dwsei qetikes apanthseis kai diejodoys stis prosdokies twn newn. Na antimetwpisei ena meizon zhthma gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Etsi prepei na thn antilhfqoyme. H protash ayth erxetai pragmatika na kanei mia tomh. Exoyme megalh anergia stoys neoys. To exoyme paradexqei oloi ayto. Den mporoyme na th blepoyme, na th diapistwnoyme kai na th xrhsimopoioyme sto proeklogiko paixnidi. Prepei na paremboyme kai na dwsoyme lysh. Exoyme eyqynh apenanti ston ellhniko lao. Me thn protash ayth mporei na dhmioyrghqoyn polles xiliades qeseis ergasias, na doqei qetikh diejodos stis prosdokies twn newn anqrwpwn. Safws, mporei na ginoyn parathrhseis, mporei na yparjoyn qetikes apoceis, mporei na yparxoyn beltiwtikes protaseis. Kaneis den qa pei oxi se aytes. Alla, epiteloys, mporei na ginei dialogos panw se protaseis, se lyseis, gia ta problhmata ths koinwnias. Me ayth thn ennoia, einai ena poly qetiko bhma kai ajizei ton kopo oloi na to ajiopoihsoyme.

SIDERHS: Qetikes kai epidokimastees oi protaseis toy k. Papandreoy gia meiwsh twn ejoplismwn, alla exoyme kai thn trexoysa politikh. Shmera, h efhmerida ``Makedonia'' dhmosieyei mia notam apanthtikh ths Toyrkias, h opoia xarakthrizei tis aitiaseis ths Elladas ws plasmatikes kai mh nomimes sto qema ths zwnhs ereynas kai diaswshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme topoqethqei, epaneilhmmena, apenanti stis toyrkikes apoceis. To gegonos oti h Toyrkia ekdidei mia notam, den shmainei oti desmeyei kai emas.

SIDERHS: Rwtw, ean yphrje apanthsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy antallassontai syxna tetoia eggrafa.

NIKOLAKAKOS: Epanerxomai sto prwto qema. Mporeite na mas dieykrinisete akribws poia einai h protash gia na ginei kai syzhthsh; Se dyo shmeia toylaxiston@

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa prepei na th gnwrizete. Eiste empeiroi kai kaloi dhmosiografoi oloi edw kai den nomizw pws den th gnwrizete, wste na thn analysoyme leptomerws.

NIKOLAKAKOS: Nai, alla eidame kai mia anakoinwsh toy Grafeioy Typoy toy PASOK to brady, h opoia edine dieykriniseis kai qelw na anaferqw se dyo shmeia: Ti isxyei gia tis eisfores kai an ta tessera xronia metroyn sta syntajima eth.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, to eipe xqes o k. Papandreoy, oti oi eisfores den qa plhrwnontai. Apo th stigmh poy den qa plhrwnontai oi eisfores einai logiko oti den qa exoyme kai thn prosmetrhsh poy eipate. Omws, prosejte: Poia einai h oysia; Einai ena prosqeto, ena megalo kinhtro, einai mia tomh. Gi` ayto th xarakthrisa tolmhrh protash. Mporei na bohqhsei tis epixeirhseis na anoixtoyn kai na proslaboyn polles xiliades neoys anqrwpoys, poy shmera einai anergoi, poy einai sto spiti toys kai den exoyn ergasiakh empeiria, poy ypoferoyn apo thn anergia. Stis prosdokies aytwn twn anqrwpwn ofeiloyme na antapokriqoyme. Ayto einai to kyrio. Giati aytoi oi anqrwpoi, ayta ta paidia, qa mpoyn sthn paragwgh, qa apokthsoyn doyleia, qa antimetwpisoyn me aisiodojia to mellon. Ayta ta paidia, opws eipe o k. Papandreoy, qa apokthsoyn ergasiakh empeiria gia na ejasfalisoyn thn paramonh toys ston ergasiako bio gia ola ta alla xronia. Toys einai aparaithto. Prepei na spasoyme to sklhro pyrhna poy parathreitai me thn anergia twn newn. Ayth h protash epixeirei tolmhra na to kanei. An kapoios mporei na kataqesei beltiwtikes protaseis, na to syzhthsoyme. Gi` ayto ginetai kai aytos o dialogos.

NIKOLAKAKOS: Katalabainete, omws, oti, prwton, epibarynontai ta asfalistika tameia kai deyteron, ayjanontai aytomatws ta xronia gia syntajiodothsh sta tessera@

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati epibarynontai ta asfalistika tameia.

NIKOLAKAKOS: Giati qa parexoyn iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch, xwris na exoyn antistoixes eisfores.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas plhroforw oti polles fores, an qelete, kai me ta twrina programmata mporei na ginei. Ejalloy, to kostos ths paroxhs iatrofarmakeytikhs periqalchs gia anqrwpoys ayths ths hlikias synhqws einai ejairetika xamhlo. Eixa, ws yfypoyrgos Ergasias, melethsei mia tetoia protash kai sas plhroforw oti to prosdokwmeno kostos gia ta asfalistika tameia htan ejairetika xamhlo. Den dhmioyrgei kanena problhma.

Gia to syntajiodotiko kommati, eida me xara na anaptyssontai kai diafores skeceis, to prwi, apo ekproswpoys koinwnikwn kinhmatwn. Den mporoyme na toys desmeysoyme. To gegonos, omws, oti anaptyssoyn qetikes skeceis kai protaseis, gia akomh megalyterh symplhrwsh kai oloklhrwsh ayths ths tolmhrhs tomhs, einai poly qetiko. Kai etsi prepei na leitoyrghsoyme. Lew se kapoioys poy skeftontai arnhtika -kai qa pw oti arnhtika mporei na leitoyrgoyn kalopista- an ayth einai h antilhch toys: yparxei allh lysh gia thn anergia twn newn; Amesh, twrinh, shmerinh; Qa arkestoyme na th diapistwnoyme; Qa leitoyrgoyme ypokritika, legontas o enas ston allon poso megalh einai h anergia h qa kanoyme kati; Emeis proteinoyme na kanoyme kati. Qa to kanoyme oloi mazi.

SOYGLERHS: Giati o k. Papandreoy den fwnaje toys emplekomenoys foreis, toys biomhxanoys, th GSEE, toys ergodotes, toys epixeirhmaties, na milhsei, prin dhmosiopoihsei ayth thn protash kai na to kanei mazi toys h na orioqethsoyn to plaisio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Poia einai h diafora; To dhmosiopoiei pros dialogo. Leei oti to dhmosiopoiw kai to syzhtw. Kai erxontai, malista, ekproswpoi kai twn men kai twn de kai dexontai ayto to dialogo. Den eipa oti symfwnhsan, prosejte gia na mhn yparjei parejhghsh. Lew ``syzhtoyn''. Ti kalytero; Aytes oi protaseis poy aforoyn olh thn ellhnikh koinwnia prepei na katatiqentai enwpion ths. Den mporei na menoyn se kleista trapezia kai synanthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra anakalycate oti yparxei anergia; Eseis, prin apo ligo kairo legate oti h anergia einai sto 8,4%, to qymaste; Apo to idio bhma to legate kai xrhsimopoioysate kai stoixeia statistikhs. Shmera, erxeste kai mas lete ``megalh anergia stoys neoys''. Oi 300.000 qeseis ergasias kai ta alla, poy phgan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai to 8,9% poy doqhke apo thn Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia -kai xrhsimopoihsa kai egw edw- einai dhladh mikro; Den prepei na paremboyme; Den eipa oti xreiazontai kai nees politikes;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Emfanizeste san na anakalycate twra thn anergia. O k. Papandreoy anakalyce twra thn anergia@

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh ayth exei dwsei maxh kata ths anergias. Yparxoyn problhmata, alla ayto den shmainei oti ftasame sto telos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws anebainei h anergia afoy dwsate maxh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H anergia paramenei ychlh, par` oti exei ptwtikes taseis. Eidikotera diapistwsame @apo th maxh poy dwsame, apo th doyleia poy kaname- oti yparxei enas sklhros pyrhnas anergias poy apokta idiaiterws dyskola xarakthristika stoys neoys anqrwpoys. O k. Papandreoy epejergasthke mia tomh, sto plaisio bebaiws twn politikwn prwtoboyliwn poy xarakthrizoyn olh ayth thn periodo kai se synexeia twn oswn eixame pei. Oti dhladh qa yparjoyn polles politikes prwtoboylies kai oti etsi prepei na diejaxqei o proeklogikos agwnas. Epejergasthke mia tolmhrh protash. Ayth einai mia dikh mas apanthsh gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos. Yparxoyn alles apanthseis; Ti leei h N.D.; Akoysame xqes ton k. Soyflia na diapistwnei h na prospaqei na diapistwsei arnhtika. Na kataqesei tis apoceis toy. Exei kapoia allh protash gia to qema h qa perimenoyn oi neoi thn anergia; Ayto einai to erwthma poy tiqetai pros th N.D.: Exei kati na mas pei gia toys neoys anqrwpoys h qa toys afhsei sthn anergia, prospaqwntas na kerdisei kati stis ekloges; Den qelw na to pisteyw ayto. Qelw na pisteyw oti qa exoyme qetikh paraqesh kai antiparaqesh politikwn protasewn, apocewn, lysewn gia ta meizona problhmata ths koinwnias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pisteyete oti h anergia exei ptwtikh tash; Etsi eipate prohgoymenws.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn ta stoixeia ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias. Exei ptwtikh tash, alla den shmainei oti den einai ychlh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, o k. Nikolaoy paradexqhke 500.000 anergoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Akoysa to prwi ton k. Nikolaoy kai sas parapempw sthn endiaferoysa prwinh parembash toy ston kratiko thleoptiko staqmo.

ZOYLAS: H xqesinh anakoinwsh toy PASOK poy htan kapws dieykrinistikh ayto poy yponoei einai oti gia na prosmetrhqoyn ta sygkekrimena xronia ek twn ysterwn qa prepei na katablhqoyn kai oi eisfores aytes apo tis opoies apallassontai oi neoi gia thn tetraetia;

PRWTOPAPAS: An yparxei periptwsh ek twn ysterwn na katablhqoyn oi eisfores, otan ftasei o ergazomenos se kapoia hlikia poy mporei na dwsei, mporei na breqei mia formoyla. Yparxoyn kai alles skeceis poy katateqhkan shmera, opws aytes twn ekproswpwn ths GSEE. Ola ayta einai sto arxiko stadio. To prwto kai kyrio einai na leitoyrghsei to metro. O neos qa exei plhrh misqo. Den qa einai spiti toy, qa einai sth doyleia toy. Qa apokta ergasiakh empeiria, qa exei iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch. Kapoios poy mporei na dei kapoia arnhtikh pleyra mporei na pei ``ti qa ginei me ta enshma''. Emeis to blepoyme apo th qetikh skopia. O neos feygei apo thn anergia.

NIKOLAKAKOS: Pws eiste sigoyros oti qa feygei apo thn anergia, otan kaqe xrono eiserxontai sthn agora ergasias 80.000 neoi apo toys opoioys oi 40.000 pianoyn doyleia me asfalistikh kalych. Me ayth thn protash giati kapoia epixeirhsh qa parei me ola ta dikaiwmata ena neo ergazomeno kai den qa ton parei etsi opws proteinei twra o k. Papandreoy; Ara, mporei pali na pianoyn doyleia 40.000 atoma, alla aplws na mhn exoyn asfalistikh kalych.

PRWTOPAPAS: Skopos toy metroy einai na leitoyrghsei eyrytera kai oxi mono na kalycei trexoyses anagkes. Oi dikleides mesa apo tis opoies qa leitoyrghsei to metro qa apanthsoyn sto erwthma sas. Poio einai to problhma; Shmera yparxei mia seira kinhtrwn stis epixeirhseis gia na proslaboyn neoys anqrwpoys. To ena kinhtro legetai maqhteia poy einai h gnwsth 18mhnh periodos me to miso misqo poy problepetai kai apo thn ergatikh nomoqesia. To deytero kinhtro einai oi epidothseis. Opws gnwrizete poly kala, kata kairoys o OAED exei epejergastei, prowqhsei, proteinei kai anakoinwsei th dynatothta epidothshs epixeirhsewn gia proslhch newn anergwn. To metro ths maqhteias exei leitoyrghsei ws ena baqmo ikanopoihtika. To metro twn programmatwn toy OAED exei leitoyrghsei, alla paroysiazei agkylwseis, giati para polles epixeirhseis den qeloyn na mpoyn sth logikh twn dyskoliwn sta qemata eyelijias poy periexei, ypoxrewseis, posoys qa krathsoyn, ti antikatastaseis qa ginoyn k.tl. To neo metro einai aplo kai idiaitera eyelikto. Dieykolynei thn epixeirhsh kai apanta apla sta problhmata ths. Wqei toys ergodotes na paroyn perissoteroys ergazomenoys. Wqei toys ergodotes na synaisqanqoyn kai na ektelesoyn thn koinwnikh apostolh mias epixeirhshs. Einai bebaioi oti qa ginei ayto dioti qa anaptyxqoyn megalyteres dynatothtes gia perissoteres qeseis ergasias kai oxi aplh diaxeirish twn yparxoyswn qesewn. Ola ayta qa syzhthqoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ekei poy exoyn laqrometanastes qa baloyn Ellhnes. Epeidh kai se aytoys den plhrwnoyn asfalistikes eisfores qa baloyn Ellhnes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa hqela na apokaloyme laqrometanastes toys anqrwpoys poy doyleyoyn me prasinh karta sthn Ellada kai poy qa prepei na toys antimetwpizoyme me stoixeiwdh sebasmo.

SIDERHS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Pws qa apofygoyme na exoyme isariqmes apolyseis me thn eisodo newn ergazomenwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizw kala thn agora ergasias kai jerw oti den qa to kanei. Kat` arxas, h apolysh sterei enan eidikeymeno ergazomeno poy den kanei thn idia doyleia me to neo poy mpainei. Kai deyteron, einai akribh h apolysh giati yparxoyn oi apozhmiwseis poy kataballontai tois metrhtois kai oxi epi pistwsei. Praktika o ergodoths qa prepei na bgazei xrhmata amesws. Stis shmerines epixeirhseis kaqe qesh ergasias diaferei rizika apo thn allh. Den einai pia oi megales epixeirhseis, opoy oi ergazomenoi ekteloysan mia mhxanikh ergasia apo thn arxh ews th lhjh toy 8wroy, ths epoxhs ths tainias ``h ergatikh tajh paei ston paradeiso''. Exoyme alloy typoy epixeirhseis kai alloy typoy ergasia. H ergasia pleon xarakthrizetai apo thn atomikh qesh kai ejeidikeysh. Einai loipon safes oti den yparxei mhxanistikh antikatastash enos ergazomenoy apo kapoion allon.

ZOYLAS: Giati efoson einai toso epityxhs kai problepetai na einai toso apodotikh ayth h protash den efarmosthke thn tetraetia poy perase;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi arxaioi hmwn progonoi elegan: ``Ghraskw aei didaskomenos''. Kaqe fora prospaqw, paleyw orismenes apoceis, orismena metra kai kapoia stigmh diapistwnw thn anagkh beltiwshs kai ajiopoihshs pio tolmhrwn protasewn kai tomwn. Den sas krybw oti tetoies apoceis gyrw apo to qema ths meiwshs h ejaleichs ergodotikwn eisforwn gia ena mikro xroniko diasthma, ws kinhtro gia thn entajh newn anqrwpwn sthn agora ergasias, exei efarmostei pilotika kai peiramatika se orismenes xwres ths Dytikhs Eyrwphs me diaforetikoys tropoys. Einai, loipon, safes oti h epilogh ayth -poy einai epilogh eyqynhs apenanti sth neolaia apo to Giwrgo Papandreoy- exei na kanei kai me th meleth ths eyrwpaikhs empeirias, alla kai twn adynamiwn poy eixan mexri twra oi politikes mas. Kaqe fora meletas ayto poy exeis ftiajei, blepeis ti exeis ajiopoihsei kai kaneis thn yperbash soy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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