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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Ianoyarioy 2004

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo thn antidrash toy k. Gkioyl, xqes, sthn protash toy k. Papandreoy gia amoibaia meiwsh twn ejoplismwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti einai idiaitera qetikh h antidrash. Apotelei mia prwth qetikh bash, panw sthn opoia mporei na synexistei o dialogos kai na proxwrhsei h ylopoihsh ths protashs toy k. Papandreoy.

GARGALAKOS: Xqes, o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs milhse se enan kyklo newn epixeirhmatiwn kai aneptyje kapoies protaseis, toso gia elafrynsh ths forologias, opws kai alles. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Stis skeceis -giati den eixan xarakthra organwmenwn protasewn kai desmeysewn- poy ejefrase o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs qa topoqethqoyme synolika, otan paroysiasei kai to oikonomiko programma toy, gia na doyme kai thn eswterikh synexeia kai synoxh toy. Se kaqe periptwsh, ayto poy qelw na epishmanw einai oti einai qetiko na anaptyssontai protaseis. Elpizoyme oti sth diarkeia toy proeklogikoy agwna qa doyme paraqesh kai antiparaqesh protasewn, idewn, apocewn, lysewn gia ta problhmata toy polith kai oxi proswpikes epiqeseis, opws aytes poy xrhsimopoihse o k. Karamanlhs, to Sabbatokyriako.

GKIGKA: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia thn paraithsh Karaxalioy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs.

SIDERHS: Briskete arkoyntws epejergasmenh th frash Papandreoy oti qa ferei ependyseis me to proswpiko toy kyros;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Papandreoy omilei gia thn periptwsh poy, opws elpizoyme kai epidiwkoyme, qa einai ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras kai ws Prwqypoyrgos qa ekfrazei to synolo ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Kai to kyros diaqetei, alla qa einai kai o ekfrasths ths kybernhtikhs politikhs sthn Ellada, meta thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy, opws elpizoyme kai epidiwkoyme. Epomenws, ayto shmainei oti oi desmeyseis aytes exoyn to xarakthra programmatikwn dhlwsewn gia ena sobaro qema poy apasxolei ton ellhniko lao. Einai politikes dhlwseis kai apantoyn, kata ton kalytero tropo, se ayto poy lene orismenoi oti einai wra na milhsoyme gia politikh. Emeis symfwnoyme kai to kanoyme prwtoi. Milame gia politikh. Htan politikh h protash toy k. Papandreoy gia thn amoibaia meiwsh twn ejoplismwn. Idiaitera qetikh einai h antapokrish toy k. Gkioyl. Dhmioyrgoyntai qetikes baseis, wste ayth h protash na ginei prajh. Opws, epishs, politikh einai h desmeysh toy k. Papandreoy gia thn proselkysh ependysewn, h opoia dhmioyrgei mia poly sobarh bash, mia prooptikh kai gia thn anaptyjh kai gia thn antimetwpish toy efialth ths anergias.

KARGOYDH: Mporeite na mas peite ti entypwsh apokomise o k. Papandreoy apo th xqesinh synanthsh toy me ton Proedro ths Morgkan Stanlei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, o Proedros ths Morgkan Stanlei eide kai ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Aytes oi synanthseis einai sto plaisio twn epafwn poy ginontai apo ton Proedro enos megaloy organismoy me toys epikefalhs twn megalwn politikwn sxhmatismwn sthn Ellada, gyrw apo tis prooptikes kai ta sxedia toys gia thn anaptyjh ths oikonomias. O k. Papandreoy syzhthse mazi toy qemata poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn poreia, to mellon kai tis prooptikes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

ZOYLAS: Se sxesh me tis amyntikes dapanes, to epixeirhma poy proballei h N.D. einai, giati o k. Papandreoy, efoson htan ypermaxos mias tetoias protashs, synypegrace ola ta ejoplistika programmata sto plaisio toy KYSEA, kaqws htan kai einai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na qymisw sth N.D. oti yparxei sobarotath meiwsh twn amyntikwn dapanwn, ta teleytaia xronia. Dystyxws, h N.D. fainetai oti den parakoloyqei tis politikes ejelijeis, giati qa eprepe na gnwrizei oti ayth h meiwsh twn amyntikwn dapanwn egine dynath kai xarh sthn ejwterikh politikh, thn opoia akoloyqhse o k. Papandreoy kai h kybernhsh genikotera. Opws, epishs, kai xarh sthn anadiorganwsh poy egine stis Enoples Dynameis. O k. Papandreoy akoloyqhse mia politikh ston tomea toy, eidikotera sto qema ths antimetwpishs ths geitonas xwras, poy eixe qetika apotelesmata, oson afora th dieqnh qesh ths Elladas, kaqws kai sto qema ths meiwshs twn ejoplismwn. Ayto, oxi mono egine prajh, alla dhmioyrgei kai prooptikes gia peraiterw meiwsh twn ejoplismwn, symfwna me thn protash toy. Ayto, h N.D. qa eprepe na to gnwrizei. Xarh se ayth thn politikh egine meiwsh twn amyntikwn dapanwn, h opoia ton teleytaio xrono eftase sta 2,2 dis. eyrw.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporeite na mas peite poy brisketai to qema ths anergias, posoys anergoys exoyme kai an h kybernhsh einai eyxaristhmenh apo thn aporrofhsh ths anergias, thn teleytaia tetraetia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia na mhn kanw anafora sta stoixeia, edw, prepei na sas pw oti o kaq@ ylhn armodios, o Proedros toy Organismoy Apasxolhshs Ergatikoy Dynamikoy Giannhs Nikolaoy, dinei ayth th stigmh synenteyjh Typoy gi` ayta ta qemata. Qa paroysiasei ola ta zhthmata poy syndeontai me thn anergia, symfwna me ta stoixeia toy OAED.

Qa hqela, omws, na kanw mia genikoterh politikh diapistwsh: Exoyme labei seira metrwn, exoyme anaptyjei politikes kai exoyme kanei megales prospaqeies gia thn antimetwpish ths anergias. Oi prospaqeies aytes exoyn apodwsei kapoia apotelesmata. Omws, h anergia paramenei ychlh. Einai logiko na epejergazomaste nees politikes kai parembaseis sth nea epoxh poy exoyme mprosta mas, prokeimenoy na dwsoyme peistikes apanthseis sta problhmata twn anergwn kai kyriws twn newn. Se aytes tis politikes syntoma, kai shmera sto Layrio, opws kai tis epomenes hmeres, qa yparxoyn sxetikes anafores toy k. Papandreoy.

BLADIMIROY: Pws sxoliazete ta teleytaia dhmosieymata poy miloyn gia apostrateia ths palias froyras toy PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Olh ayth h syzhthsh, jekinhse apo th megalh syzhthsh poy ginetai, ayth th stigmh, sth N.D., thn opoia den epiqymw na sxoliasw, dioti einai ena eswteriko qema ths N.D. kai qa htan idiaitera akomco kai antideontologiko na paremboyme. Apo ekei kai pera, qa hqela, se kaqe periptwsh, na qymisw oti emeis exoyme proxwrhsei, me apofasistika bhmata, sto qema ths ananewshs. O Giwrgos Papandreoy analambanei, twra, Proedros toy PASOK, epikefalhs ths paratajhs kai meta tis ekloges elpizoyme na einai kai Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei mia poly megalh ananewsh sta chfodeltia mas. Exoyme nees protaseis, nees politikes. Eimaste etoimoi na antapokriqoyme se ayth th nea epoxh. Hdh, exoyme proxwrhsei, me apofasistika bhmata, se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioys yponoei o k. Gewrgakopoylos; Paei na pei oti den exei ginei apostrateia ap o,ti fainetai. Ennoei ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw oti sas kalyca.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti meiwqhkan oi ejoplismoi. Pote meiwqhkan; Giati o misos proypologismos paei ekei. Gi` ayto sas rwtw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den etsi ta pragmata, oti, dhladh, o misos proypologismos paei ekei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den einai; Peite moy tote pote meiwqhkan kai poso;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean prosejete ta stoixeia twn amyntikwn dapanwn, ws pososto toy AEP, sygkentrwtika ston proypologismo, qa to deite.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia fetos lete, mono; Gia ta prohgoymena xronia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa, genika stoys proypologismoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete xrewsei mexri to 2020 th xwra me toys ejoplismoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa jana oti exoyme proxwrhsei, xarh sthn politikh poy exei akoloyqhsei o k. Papandreoy apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, kai bebaiws xarh sto noikokyrema poy exei ginei stis Enoples Dynameis, kai exoyme petyxei mia sobarh meiwsh twn ejoplismwn sthn Ellada. Apo kei kai pera, yparxei nea protash toy k. Papandreoy kai o k. Gkioyl antapokriqhke. Etsi qa mporesoyme na kanoyme akomh pio apofasistika bhmata pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Opws fainetai, toylaxiston.

An den yparxei allh erwthsh, qelw na kanw mia anafora, epeidh dhmioyrgoyntai kapoies syzhthseis gyrw apo to qema twn agrotikwn epidothsewn. Epikoinwnhsa prin apo ligo me ton k. Dry, o opoios me enhmerwse oti, ayth th stigmh, peripoy to 85% toy oloy posoy poy eixe zhthqei exei hdh katablhqei. Ti ginetai; Yparxei -opws gnwrizete- mia praktikh, poy eixe akoloyqhqei edw kai polla xronia, na ginetai to legomeno ``panwgracimo'' ston tomea ths paragwghs elaioladoy. Diapistwqhke oti yparxoyn tetoia fainomena -den afora to synolo bebaiws- kai exei ginei mia sobarh doyleia, symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exw, apo to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, me meqodoys poy mporei na apodeijoyn th sxesh toy elaiodentroy me thn paragomenh posothta. Exei ginei, loipon, enas ypologismos gyrw apo tis pragmatikes posothtes kai thn pragmatikh epidothsh poy prepei na doqei. Aytos o ypologismos leitoyrgei yper ekeinwn poy kanoyn kala th doyleia toys kai dhlwnoyn tis pragmatikes posothtes. Leitoyrgei yper ths pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn agrotwn. Dioti, ean pairname ws dedomenes tis posothtes poy dhlwqhkan, qa eprepe na paroyn ligotera aytoi poy exoyn dhlwsei tis pragmatikes posothtes, oxi mono fetos, alla kai tis epomenes xronies. Me th meqodo poy akoloyqei to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, stoxos einai na paroyn ta lefta toys aytoi poy ta dikaioyntai to ychlotero epipedo. Na exoyn thn pragmatikh apozhmiwsh kai epidothsh kai bebaiws kapoioi poy metaxeiristhkan aytes tis arnhtikes meqodoys na mhn erqoyn na leitoyrghsoyn se baros twn ypoloipwn. Ayth einai h prospaqeia poy kataballetai kai einai prospaqeia -se telikh analysh- pros to symferon toy Ellhna agroth poy dhlwnei tis pragmatikes posothtes ths paragwghs toy.

ZOYLAS: Sygnwmh, thn eyqynh twn elegktikwn mhxanismwn poios thn eixe mexri shmera;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi, yparxoyn kai oi synetairismoi, yparxoyn kai oles aytes oi bebaiwseis poy bgainoyn apo ta elaiotribeia. Xreiasthke na ginei enas peraiterw elegxos. Apo tis diadikasies aytoy toy elegxoy diapistwnetai, gia paradeigma, oti o ``x'' poy exei enan ariqmo elaiodentrwn dhlwnei ladi poy einai adynaton na paraxqei.

ZOYLAS: Nai, alla ayto diapistwnetai ek twn ysterwn, kyrie Ypoyrge, ayto epishmainw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai einai kako na ginontai epanelegxoi;

ZOYLAS: Kako den einai, alla@

PRWTOPAPAS: Symfwnoyme, loipon, oti oi elegxoi eprepe na ginoyn, dioti ean den ginontoysan eprepe na moirasoyme to poso ths epidothshs dia toy ariqmoy poy eixe dhlwqei. Ara, kapoioi anqrwpoi, poy dhlwsan ton pragmatiko ariqmo -kai aytoi einai oi Ellhnes agrotes- qa epairnan ligotera xrhmata ap` o,ti pragmatika eprepe na paroyn kai kapoioi qa epairnan perissotera xrhmata ap` o,ti eprepe na paroyn. Epeidh, loipon, mas endiaferei na yparxei dikaiosynh, eginan oi sxetikoi ypologismoi kai me bash aytoys toys ypologismoys kineitai to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias.

SOYGLERHS: Dystyxws, ayth thn paratypia, ayth thn ``kompina'', thn eidan oi Eyrwpaioi. O Fiser thn eide kai eidopoihse thn kybernhsh oti kati den paei kala edw. Giati otan efqasan ekei oi epidothseis eidan ena tromaktiko noymero kai jafniasthkan oi Eyrwpaioi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Se kaqe periptwsh, to kalytero einai na apodoqei dikaiosynh me bash thn alhqeia. Den symfwnoyme oloi se ayto; Qeloyme na kalyfqei h paranomia; Fantazomai oxi. Kai opws diapistwnw den amfisbhtei kanenas sas oti yphrxan ayta ta ``panwgracimata''.

ANTYPAS: Mias kai anoijate to qema, mhpws mporeite na mas enhmerwste gia to poies htan oi kyrwseis pros toys agrotes sthn antistoixh periptwsh toy bambakioy poy eixame pali ``panwgracimo'';

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto qema toy bambakioy exei, hdh, apokatastaqei plhrws h nomimothta.

ANTYPAS: Arkei ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti sto bambaki, fetos, h katastash htan para poly kalh. Kai oi agrotes phran - h ypologizoyn oti qa paroyn- ta lefta toys me tropo idiaitera eparkh, apotelesmatiko. Nomizw oti h apoysia, opws diapistwnetai, kinhsewn h kinhtopoihsewn deixnei oti pragmatika yparxei ena poly kalytero kaqestws. Mporei na mhn exoyme fqasei sto teleio, alla yparxei ena poly kalytero kaqestws. Ti deixnei ayto; Deixnei oti h emmonh mas se enan tropo doyleias organwmeno, opws ginetai kai se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres, hdh arxise na apodidei apotelesmata, se o,ti afora to bambaki.

ANTYPAS: Na rwthsw alliws. Me aytoys poy piasate oti exoyn dhlwsei laqos posothtes, qa ginei tipota;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa. Den gnwrizw leptomerws tis diadikasies poy akoloyqei to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias. Apo thn enhmerwsh poy exw, meta apo thn epafh moy me ton k. Dry, gnwrizw oti yphrxe aytos o epanelegxos kai h prospaqeia poy kanei to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias einai na leitoyrghsei yper toy Ellhna agroth poy einai h pleiochfia kai poy exei dhlwsei thn pragmatikh paragwgh toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, aytoi sto Aigio kai sthn Patra poy diamartyrontai, aytoi ta exoyn parei ta lefta toys h einai oi ``kleftes'', aytoi poy dhlwnoyn parapanw;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa tetoio pragma. Mhn bazete sto stoma moy logia poy den eipa. Ekana mia genikh enhmerwsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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