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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Noembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

TSAKIRHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na rwthsw an einai dynaton enas synadelfos sas ypoyrgos na brizei ta qeia sthn thleorash.

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws, anafereste se kapoia prwinh ekpomph sthn thleorash. Opws me enhmerwse o k. Koyloyrhs zhtei syggnwmh gi` ayto, htan mia kakia stigmh, mia stigmh ekneyrismoy.

TSAKIRHS: Synexizei na apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai aytonohto. Htan mia kakia stigmh gia thn opoia zhtei syggnwmh.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei shmera ena panomoiotypo dhmosieyma se treis toylaxiston efhmerides poy ferei ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy, mesw stenoy synergath toy, na dhlwnei oti einai etoimos gia th diadoxh. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh toy k. Papandreoy, me thn opoia kleinei olh ayth h istoria ths aparadekths parafilologias kai mikropolitikhs poy kai shmera eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas. H dhlwsh ayth erxetai na dwsei telos se ayta ta dhqen senaria, se aythn thn parafilologia, se ayth thn mikropolitikh.

PITTARAS: O Prwqypoyrgos aisqanetai anakoyfismenos apo tis dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yphrje pote problhma stis sxeseis toys, oi opoies htan panta poly stenes, ejairetikes.

FILHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera sthn efhmerida "AYGH" dhmosieyetai seira fwtografiwn, oysiastika einai ena oloklhro binteo -to opoio exei paijei tis hmeres ekeines, ws dhmosiografikh kalych twn gegonotwn ths Qessalonikhs, se treis thleoptikoys staqmoys, sthn ET3, ton Alpha kai to Mega- apo to opoio prokyptei oti astynomikos twn MAT prwtagwnistei se skeywria eis baros syllhfqentos -o opoios ayth th stigmh kanei kai apergia peinas- toy bazei mesa sto sako, se allo sako, ta enoxopoihtika stoixeia: sfyri, molotof k.lp. Qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs, me dedomeno bebaiws oti yparxei dikastikh ereyna, alla ayto ekfeygei twn oriwn ths dienergoymenhs dikastikhs ereynas kai exei politikh diastash, dioti deixnei mia symperifora astynomikwn organwn poy den eixame synhqisei, toylaxiston, sto prosfato diasthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eimai eidikos, oyte mporw na exw gnwmh se ayta. Ekeino poy qa pw einai oti ola ejetazontai apo th dikastikh ereyna poy ginetai. Ean ayth h ereyna "bgalei" kati -ean lew- san kai ayto poy lete, tote qa apodoqoyn eyqynes. Alla, ayto nomizw oti prepei na to afhsoyme. Exoyme empistosynh sth Dikaiosynh kai apo ekei qa maqoyme poia einai h alhqeia kai poia einai h pragmatikothta. Qelw na sas pw me thn eykairia oti exei katablhqei prospaqeia na epitaxynqoyn oi diadikasies ths dikhs. Qelw, epishs, na sas pw oti yparxoyn mia seira dikaiwmata twn kratoymenwn, opws einai kai oi nees aithseis apofylakishs, oi opoies apo o,ti exw plhroforhqei exoyn parei to dromo toys, dhladh ejetazontai apo tis armodies dikastikes arxes. Yparxei ena plhres systhma gia thn prostasia twn dikaiwmatwn twn kratoymenwn sthn Ellada. Ayth th stigmh to systhma ayto einai energopoihmeno kai se sxesh me thn prostasia ths ygeias toys, oi aithseis toys ejetazontai apo ta armodia dikastika organa. Pisteyw oti qa proxwrhsei poly grhgora h diereynhsh kai an prokycei otidhpote, na eiste bebaios oti den qa yparxei kanena problhma, wste na mhn apodoqoyn eyqynes. As afhsoyme th Dikaiosynh na kanei th doyleia ths.

FILHS: Epeidh einai ena parallhlo qema ayto, protiqetai h Astynomia kai o politikos proistamenos, o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, na diatajei ereyna gia tyxon eyqynes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwta prepei na diereynhsoyme ayto poy lete. Hdh, omws, h olh ypoqesh brisketai sta xeria ths Dikaiosynhs, thn exoyn oi eisaggeleis poy einai kai kaq` ylhn armodioi. Pera apo ayto, qa ginei o,ti mporei na bohqhsei sth dialeykansh tyxon kataggeliwn.

MPOTWNHS: Mesa se ayto to klima poy exei diamorfwqei, toso me tis apoxwrhseis boyleytwn poy den qa einai ypochfioi -kai einai megalos o ariqmos- ayta ta opoia genikotera symbainoyn, to bary klima poy oloi lene oti yparxei, erxetai kai ayth h periptwsh me ton ypoyrgo twn Ejwterikwn. Einai senaria fantasias, einai kateyqynomena ayta ta reportaz; Ti akribws, dhladh, ektimate;

PRWTOPAPAS: H topoqethsh toy k. Papandreoy einai, opws panta, oso pote apolyta kaqarh. O k. Papandreoy kanei th doyleia toy, yperaspizetai ta symferonta ths xwras se olo ton kosmo. Exei anaptyjei idiaitera shmantikes prwtoboylies stoys tomeis ths ejwterikhs politikhs kai symballei kai sto genikotero agwna toy Kinhmatos. Gia paradeigma, thn Paraskeyh qa milhsei se anoikth ekdhlwsh sthn Kastoria kai epetai kai ena oloklhrwmeno programma to opoio o idios exei xarajei gia th symbolh toy, h opoia qa einai idiaitera shmantikh ston proeklogiko agwna mas, giati einai koryfaio stelexos toy Kinhmatos. Den katalabainw, giati prepei na empleketai o k. Papandreoy se tetoia senaria.

KARGOYDH: Giati yphrje dhlwsh toy k. Papoylia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai, loipon; Einai kaqaro oti ola ayta anhkoyn sth sfaira ths parafilologias, ths mikropolitikhs kai den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Den mporei na anaptyssontai senaria. As janagyrisoyme, omws, sto arxiko qema poy qesate: Kapoioi synadelfoi aisqanontai gia poikiloys logoys, diaforetikoys o kaqenas, oti den qeloyn na synexisoyn. Alloi gia epaggelmatikoys h episthmonikoys logoys, alloi gia logoys oloklhrwshs toy politikoy kykloy toys kai alloi gia logoys poy aytoi ektimoyn. Den einai omoies oles oi periptwseis. Timoyme kai sebomaste oloys toys synadelfoys gia thn prosfora toys. Kai qelw na dhlwsw oti, me ejairesh ton k. Papaqemelh, oydeis ek twn synadelfwn boyleytwn exei amfisbhthsei th sthrijh toy Kinhmatos kai th sthrijh sthn kybernhsh toy PASOK. Ayto prepei na to krathsete. Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na shmeiwsw oti erxetai kapoia stigmh to topio prepei na kaqarisei. Kai ayth h stigmh, paramonh Kentrikhs Epitrophs, exei ftasei. Prepei o kaqenas na pei ti qa kanei. Nomizw oti den mporoyme na paroyme apofaseis thn Paraskeyh ean den to gnwrizoyme kai den qa htan swsto. Bebaiws, yparxei to qema ths ananewshs. H ananewsh einai aithma ths koinwnias. Einai oros kai proypoqesh nikhs gia to PASOK. Kai me aytes tis kinhseis ejasfalizetai kai mia poly shmantikh ananewsh, toso twn chfodeltiwn mas, oso kai ayrio ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas mas. Para tis entypwseis poy isws dhmioyrgoyntai h oysia einai oti kleinei enas kyklos, exoyme ena topio kaqaro, exoyme thn ananewsh twn chfodeltiwn, proxwroyme mprosta kai diekdikoyme th nikh. Kai apo th Deytera ayto qa einai to klima.

PITTARAS: Shmeiologika shmainei kati to gegonos oti sthn pleiochfia toys ta stelexh poy apoxwroyn anhkoyn sthn omada twn legomenwn eksygxronistwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw na anhkei kaneis apo toys boyleytes mas se omada. Kai nomizw oti an mpainame se ayth th syzhthsh qa diname mia laqos eikona poy den antistoixei sthn pragmatikothta, enw qa toys prosbalame kiolas. Kaqe allo, para exw tetoia diaqesh. Sas exw pei oti timoyme kai sebomaste apolyta thn istoria toys, thn prosfora toys kai tis maxes poy exoyn dwsei gia ton topo kai to kalo twn politwn kai ths paratajhs mas, bebaiws. Oson afora ton k. Papaqemelh, qelw na sas parapemcw stis dhlwseis toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy.

SOYGLERHS: Polloi lene oti ayth h prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me thn epistolh mexri ayrio, an qa laboyn meros stis epomenes ekloges blaptei thn eikona toy kybernwntos kommatos. Kai kapoioi alloi lene oti ton teleytaio kairo o Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwniaka einai apomakros apo toys boyleytes toy, diamartyrontai oti den toys blepei kai ola ayta. Hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epaneilhmmena o Prwqypoyrgos exei synanthqei me toys boyleytes kai exei milhsei mazi toys. Kai prosfata, ean qymaste, se idiaitera egkardioys tonoys yphrje kai mia sxetikh epafh toy se mia ekdhlwsh thn opoia o idios sygkalese gia thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada mas. Qelw na sas qymisw, epishs, oti prosfata synedriase h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, opoy oloi oi boyleytes mas eixan th dynatothta na ekfrastoyn kai ekfrasthkan. Apo ekei kai pera, to erwthma einai safes. Thn Paraskeyh apofasizoyme gia ta chfodeltia. Kyrie Prwtopapa qa eisai mesa h oxi; Qeleis h den qeleis; Egw exw, hdh, steilei epistolh kai gia na sas lysw thn aporia qa eimai ypochfios sth B@ eklogikh Perifereia Aqhnwn, ean h Kentrikh Epitroph egkrinei thn ypochfiothta moy. Loipon, qa eisai mesa h oxi. To eipa gia na mhn prosbalw kanenan. Ayto einai apolyta deontologiko. Giati, oxyrwnomaste pisw apo ton typo kai agnooyme thn oysia; Sas aresei o typos; Yparxei oysia; Qa syzhthsoyme thn oysia politika; Ti leei h oysia: Oti o Proedros parakalei oloys toys synadelfoys, ta probeblhmena stelexh toy Kinhmatos mas na enhmerwsoyn ti epiqymoyn mexri thn Paraskeyh, dioti qa paroyme apofaseis thn Paraskeyh. Einai kako na exoyme ena kaqaro topio thn Paraskeyh; Loipon, as mh geliomaste. Den yparxei qema. Pisteyw oti to qema exei parei, apo orismenoys bebaia, diastaseis poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Kai bebaia ws tetoio qema qa einai qnhsigenes. Dioti h pragmatikothta leei oti proxwroyme, qa apofasisoyme gia ta chfodeltia mas kai qa exoyme mia poreia pros ta empros apo Deytera. Me ta ananewmena chfodeltia, me thn ananewsh, xarakthristiko stoixeio ths politikhs mas kai ths poreias mas kai bebaiws me timh pros toys synadelfoys, oi opoioi, gia dikoys toys logoys kaqenas, den qeloyn na synexisoyn (oxi na einai sthn politikh, dioti qa einai sthn politikh) na einai ypochfioi me to Kinhma.

ZOYLAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa ejetaze to endexomeno katw apo sygkekrimenes synqhkes, ferw gia paradeigma kapoia shmerina dhmosieymata, an epi paradeigmati toy ginotan protash gia kapoio eyrwpaiko posto ton prosexh Ioynio na epanejetasei th qesh toy kai na egkataleicei piqanws thn hgesia toy PASOK pro twn eklogwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Blepw oti exete tosh agwnia na ajiopoihqei o Prwqypoyrgos se eyrwpaiko posto. Sebomaste thn agwnia sas, alla exw thn ektimhsh oti merikes fores aytoi poy thn ekfrazoyn mallon qeloyn to antiqeto. Dhladh, na leicei o Kwstas Shmiths apo thn proeklogikh ekstrateia. Kai jerete giati to qeloyn; Giati gnwrizoyn oti o Kwstas Shmiths einai to dynato oplo toy PASOK kai apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy ellhnikoy laoy.

FILHS: Gia to qema ths noqeias sth Xeimara, yphrje mia antidrash twn kyriwn Papandreoy kai Giannitsh. Poia einai h apanthsh ths albanikhs pleyras, giati metadidetai mia antifatikh eikona, edw na emfanizetai nomimofrwn sto qema twn dimerwn sxesewn o Albanos presbeyths kai sthn Albania o ajiwmatoyxos toy Sosialistikoy Kommatos na ybrizei kai na eirwneyetai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmati, emfanizontai tetoia fainomena. Emeis qa synexisoyme thn piesh mas.

FILHS: Me ti stoxo; Na janaginoyn ekloges;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me stoxo na apokatastaqei h nomimothta, me o,ti ayto shmainei. Exei, hdh, kanei parembaseis o k. Papandreoy kai sthn E.E.. Epishs, exei ginei epishmo diabhma sthn albanikh kybernhsh. Synexizoyme sthn idia kateyqynsh.

FILHS: Se mia makrinh xwra, sthn Koyba toy Fintel Kastro, diabasame oti anoije orqodojh ekklhsia, sthn opoia qa leitoyrghsei gia prwth fora o Oikoymenikos Patriarxhs. Qeloyme ena sxolio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kalo einai na yparxei Orqodojia pantoy. Emeis, ws Orqodojoi, xairomaste idiaitera gi@ ayto. Den exw na kanw eidiko sxolio.

FILHS: To gegonos oti ligoys mhnes prin symmeteixe h Ellada se metra enantion ths Koybas, den dhmioyrgei mia antifash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei h allh ermhneia: Oti piqanon ayta na einai anoigmata poy ginontai ws apotelesma ths dieqnoys pieshs.

FILHS: Ara, qetika; Ayto ennoeite;

PRWTOPAPAS: To na anoigeis ekklhsies, epeidh kapoioi pistoi to zhtoyn, einai bebaiws qetiko. Den eipe kaneis oxi. Alla, an kapoios qelei na ekfrasei th qrhskeytikh pisth toy kai toy to apagoreyeis, einai arnhtiko, safws.

FILHS: Sxetika me to qema poy afora sthn episkech toy Fintel Kastro sthn Ellada gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, yparxei kati neotero;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kati neotero. Qa anakoinwqoyn, otan erqei h wra. Gnwrizete oti yparxei mia genikh kateyqynsh apo thn kybernhsh na yparjei enas idiaiteros syntonismos panw se ayto to qema.

SIDERHS: Proxqes, o k. Papantwnioy dhlwse stis Bryjelles oti prepei na yparjei mia eyrwpaikh bash dedomenwn gia thn tromokratia. Einai katanohto, safws, oti h Ellada xreiazetai thn bohqeia olwn, enocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn sto qema ths tromokratias. Omws, ayth h protash toy k. Papantwnioy jeperna se xroniko orizonta toys Olympiakoys Agwnes kai dhmioyrgei ena kako prohgoymeno.

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati;

SIDERHS: Dioti einai diaforetikes oi gnwmes sth Dysh gia to poios einai tromokraths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, alla eipe "se epipedo E.E.", den eipe o kaqenas monos toy.

SIDERHS: Nai, dhmioyrgei ena eyrwpaiko fakelwma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Fakelwma gia thn tromokratia;

SIDERHS: To erwthma moy einai, giati h Ellada ginetai proskopos se ayto to qema; Giati trexoyme na prolaboyme; Kapoia tetoia stash krathsame kai sth Xalkidikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Dioti exoyme th diejagwgh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

SIDERHS: Ma, sas eipa oti ayth den exei sxesh me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. H bash dedomenwn jeperna se xroniko orizonta toys Olympiakoys Agwnes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, exei sxesh kai me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, dioti an arxisei na ginetai mia bash dedomenwn, qa xrhsimopoihqei gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Epeidh, opws gnwrizete, oi yphresies twn perissoterwn xwrwn exoyn etoimothta, den nomizw oti qa dyskoleytoyn na symbaloyn sth leitoyrgia ayths ths bashs. Apo ekei kai pera, oi xarakthrismoi qa einai eyrwpaikoi. Den toys kanei o kaqenas monos toy.

ZOYLAS: Kaqws lhgei ayrio h proqesmia poy exei qesei o Prwqypoyrgos, mporeite na mas enhmerwsete poses apanthtikes epistoles exoyn ftasei mexri shmera;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa htan laqos. Ayto qa ginei sto telos. To exw janapei.

ZOYLAS: Ayrio to prwi qa mas peite h to meshmeri;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayrio to prwi.

SOYGLERHS: Exete na mas peite kati gia th fwtia poy jespase sto ploio ths grammhs gia Krhth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epikoinwnhsa me ton k. Pasxalidh, o opoios edwse analytikh synenteyjh stoys syntaktes toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias. Amesws kinhtopoihqhke o mhxanismos toy YEN, apo o,ti plhroforhqhka apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Eytyxws, pragmati qelw na ekfrasw thn anakoyfish moy, oti xarh sthn kinhtopoihsh poy egine den eixame kanena problhma. Oyte traymatismoys, oyte kati sobarotero. Bebaiws, qa ginei ereyna -diataxqhke hdh- toso gia ta aitia toy atyxhmatos, oso kai gia ta problhmata poy paroysiasthkan sto limani toy Hrakleioy. An yparjoyn eyqynes, qa apodoqoyn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Omws, me to qema ths skalas dhmioyrghqhke h entypwsh aerodromioy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Eprepe me kapoio tropo na bohqhqoyn oi epibates. Dhmioyrghqhke mia eikona, omws! Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai oti yphrje amesh kinhtopoihsh toy epixeirhsiakoy dynamikoy toy YEN. Ayto prepei na to shmeiwsete. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws prepei na diereynhqei, pws ekdhlwqhke h fwtia, ti thn prokalese, alla na diereynhqoyn kai ta problhmata poy proekycan sto limani. Se kaqe periptwsh, ena prokycoyn eyqynes, qa apodoqoyn.

POYLIDOY: Epeidh shmera lhgei h proqesmia gia na katabalei h Toyrkia thn apozhmiwsh sthn ka Loizidoy, mhpws exete kapoio neotero apo ekei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta teleytaia thlegrafhmata den einai enqarryntika gia tis proqeseis ths Toyrkias. Kaqe allo. Pragma to opoio shmainei oti h Toyrkia akoloyqei mia arnhtikh stash, lanqasmenh stash sto qema ayto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Skopeyei o Prwqypoyrgos na apanthsei sthn epistolh twn eji amerikanwn boyleytwn, poy, pera apo ta sygxarhthria poy toy dinoyn, toy systhnoyn na ajiopoihsei thn amerikanikh empeiria gia thn asfaleia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Exw mprosta moy thn epistolh twn geroysiastwn kai boyleytwn, oi opoioi dinoyn sygxarhthria kai prepei na to shmeiwsw ayto. Na mhn anaferoyme mono ta problhmata, alla na anaferoyme kai ta qetika stoixeia. Dinoyn eyqews sygxarhthria kai malista miloyn gia epideijh ellhnikhs epinohtikothtas. Anaferontai stoys symbolismoys twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, sto symbolismo me thn Olympiakh Dada, anaferontai stis dhlwseis toy k. Zak Rogk -o opoios eipe oti qa einai monadikoi oi Agwnes- kai tis epikrotoyn, giati qa ginoyn se mia idiaiterh atmosfaira poy mono oi Ellhnes mporoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn. Qewrw poly shmantikh thn anafora ayth se epistolh Amerikanwn epishmwn. H epistolh katalhgei, legontas oti: "H kybernhsh sas exei desmeytei na labei tis xrhsimes profylajeis asfaleias -ayto einai safes- poy apaitei ena gegonos, opws oi Olympiakoi Agwnes kai na anazhtei kaqe bohqeia poy oi HPA mporoyn na prosferoyn". Den exoyme krycei pote oti synergazomaste me tis yphresies twn HPA gia na diejaxqoyn, me oso to dynato megalyterh asfaleia, oi Olympiakoi Agwnes. Kai den exoyme synergasia mono me tis HPA, alla kai me alles xwres.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Apanthqhke;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw ayto. Qewrw idiaitera qetikh thn epistolh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ws metro gia thn katapolemhsh ths bias sta ghpeda, o k. Lianhs anakoinwse xqes oti qa kanei mia nomoqetikh protash, wste na kaqistatai poiniko adikhma h xydaia ejybrish twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Ayto, kata th gnwmh sas, einai monterna antilhch, shmera, na kaqistatai kaneis poinika kolasimos gia mia... thn opoia apoch, dhladh afhrhmenwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Na doyme prwta ta nomika keimena. Na epishmanw oti to ypoyrgeio Politismoy, dia toy armodioy yfypoyrgoy k. Lianh, kataballei mia megalh prospaqeia gia na perioristoyn ta fainomena bias kai xydaiothtas sta ghpeda. Kai oloi prepei na sthrijoyme ayth thn prospaqeia, kataqetontas o kaqenas tis protaseis toy. Me thn eykairia ayth, qelw na epanalabw kati: Elpizw oti o agwnas metajy twn dyo megalwn toy ellhnikoy podosfairoy -bebaiws yparxoyn kai alles kales omades, alla paradosiaka qewreitai koryfaios o agwnas anamesa stis omades toy Olympiakoy kai toy Panaqhnaikoy- o opoios qa diejaxqei to Sabbato, qa ginei se ena aqlhtiko pneyma. Dioti, ayth th stigmh, mas parakoloyqoyn oloi, olos o kosmos, enocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Kai qa htan dramatiko na exoyme to opoiodhpote epeisodio, akomh kai xydaies ekfraseis. As paradeigmatistoyme oloi apo to ti ginetai sta ghpeda ths Eyrwphs kai apo ti prepei na ginei, prokeimenoy na steiloyme ayto to mhnyma poy epishmainoyn sthn epistolh toys kai oi Amerikanoi, sto opoio anaferqhka prin. Ektimw oti, pera apo ta metra poy qa parei h Politeia, qa prepei na symballoyn kai oi dyo megales kai istorikes omades -kai eimai bebaios oti qa symballoyn- wste na perifroyrhqei apolyta ayth h giorth toy podosfairoy.

SOYGLERHS: Meta apo ayth thn prwtoboylia poy pairnei o k. Lianhs, mhpws skopeyei h kybernhsh -kai ayto to lew poly sobara, giati exei problhmatisei polloys- gia ta xreh poy xrwstoyn oi PAE sto ellhniko Dhmosio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Jerete oti exei dhmioyrghqei h Epitroph Epaggelmatikoy Aqlhtismoy, h opoia epilambanetai olwn aytwn twn qematwn.

SIDERHS: Mias kai milhse o k. Filhs gia enan apo toys epta, mhpws exete enan proxeiro apologismo, posoi exoyn syllhfqei sta ghpeda;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn syllhfqei kata kairoys diaforoi. Logika, den mporw na exw apologismo gia oloys toys agwnes. Apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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