Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-11-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Noembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me qema ton Proypologismo. Thn eishghsh ekane o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Nikos Xristodoylakhs, o opoios, ayth th stigmh, dinei analytikh synenteyjh.

Sto kleisimo ths synedriashs, o Prwqypoyrgos, anaferomenos ston Proypologismo, eipe oti qa yparjei isws entonh diamaxh me thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, poy bebaiws qa ginetai kai logw eklogwn. Qa prospaqhsoyn na akyrwsoyn ton Proypologismo, gia na sthrijoyn to epixeirhma toys oti dhqen h oikonomia den paei kala. Alla, mia oikonomia den paei kala, otan exei yfesh, enw h ellhnikh oikonomia xarakthrizetai apo toys idiaitera ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs. H N.D., profanws, qa anaferqei se tessera epixeirhmata:

To prwton epixeirhma einai oti oi ariqmoi poy anaferontai ston Proypologismo einai ceydeis kai isws epikalestei kai kapoies ektimhseis yphresiwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs. Oi ariqmoi, omws, einai alhqeis kai yparxoyn xqesines dhlwseis koryfaiwn stelexwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs oti pragmati yparxei, apo thn pleyra ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, yperektimhsh twn elleimmatwn. Apodexetai, dhladh, h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph oti h idia yperektimhse ta elleimmata. Qelw na qymisw oti kai allote h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph eixe problecei, mesa sto 2003, oti qa yparxoyn pio xamhloi ryqmoi anaptyjhs, apo o,ti h idia apodexetai twra.

To deytero epixeirhma einai oti dhqen qa yparjei yfesh, meta toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Kai ayto to epixeirhma einai ceydes. Isa-isa, sto meta toys Agwnes diasthma, qa yparxoyn ychloteroi ryqmoi anaptyjhs.

To trito epixeirhma ths N.D. einai oti yparxei men anaptyjh, alla amfisbhtei to poios wfeleitai. Wfeleitai h xwra kai oi polites, se sxesh me ta eisodhmata toys kai se sxesh me tis koinwnikes dapanes.

To tetarto epixeirhma einai oti h Ellada einai teleytaia stoys deiktes. Ayto to epixeirhma einai analhqes, to apodeiknyoyn ta stoixeia poy exei dwsei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

O Prwqypoyrgos synexise, legontas oti h politikh einai kai oikonomiko klima. Gi` ayto kai emeis qa dwsoyme th maxh gia thn empistosynh kai to kalo oikonomiko klima. H antipoliteysh qa epixeirhsei na dhmioyrghsei ena klima anasfaleias stoys polites. Alla, ta epixeirhmata ths einai ewla kai den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Gi` ayto kai emeis qa dwsoyme th maxh gia na probaloyme thn pragmatikh qetikh eikona ths oikonomias. Mias oikonomias poy xarakthrizetai apo idiaitera ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs, oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn aisiodojia gia ena kalytero mellon gia toys polites kai thn koinwnia. H katastash einai kalyterh. Yparxoyn, bebaia, elleiceis, ysterhseis, alla yparxei kai ajiopistia sth doyleia mas. Mporoyme na eimaste aisiodojoi gia to mellon.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qelw na kanw dyo eisagwgikes parathrhseis:

@ H prwth exei sxesh me thn prosklhsh stoys synadelfoys na kanoyn mexri thn Pempth tis dhlwseis toys gia to an epiqymoyn h oxi na einai sta chfodeltia. Qelw na tonisw oti h epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy syndeetai arrhkta me th diadikasia, thn opoia exei epilejei to PASOK, dhladh th synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, thn Pempth to apogeyma kai th synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, thn Paraskeyh, stis opoies qa syzhthqoyn kai qa oristikopoihqoyn ta chfodeltia toy Kinhmatos. Einai, loipon, logiko oti prepei oloi na jekaqarisoyme th stash mas, wste na gnwrizei to E.G. kai h K.E. me poio tropo qa proxwrhsei stis telikes apofaseis gia toys syndyasmoys sta chfodeltia toy Kinhmatos. Einai mia diadikasia poy prepei na oloklhrwqei kai nomizw oti oloi symfwnoyme se ayto. Gnwrizoyme oti mia seira synadelfoi, gia dikoys toys logoys poy syndeontai, eite me thn epaggelmatikh enasxolhsh toys, eite me thn polyeth paramonh toys sto Koinoboylio, eite me alla qemata, den epiqymoyn na einai ypochfioi. Ayto htan, hdh, gnwsto. Pisteyoyme oti einai anagkaio, enocei ths Synodoy ths K.E., na jekaqarisei to topio. Timoyme idiaitera thn prosfora kai to ergo twn synadelfwn, idiaitera ekeinwn poy, gia polla xronia, emeinan sto Koinoboylio kai edwsan th maxh gia tis qeseis toy Kinhmatos, ta problhmata toy laoy kai thn yperaspish twn symferontwn toy topoy. Bebaiws, einai kai h wra ths ananewshs. Qeloyme na epishmanoyme oti me tis kinhseis toys orismenoi synadelfoi dinoyn thn eykairia gia megalyterh ananewsh sta chfodeltia mas, ena aithma to opoio yparxei kai sthn koinwnia, kai fysika megalyterh ananewsh sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada.

@ H xqesinh hmera mnhmhs kai timhs gia thn ejegersh toy Polytexneioy, kylhse omala -kai to shmeiwnw ayto me idiaiterh ikanopoihsh- opws armozei se ena toso megalo gegonos. H kybernhsh elabe ola ta anagkaia metra, prostateyontas toys polites poy qelhsan na diadhlwsoyn eirhnika. Thn idia stigmh, esteile ena jekaqaro mhnyma se oloys ekeinoys poy hqelan na prosbaloyn qemeliwdh dikaiwmata twn politwn. To mhnyma oti tetoies symperifores den mporei na ginoyn anektes.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KALARITHS: To gegonos oti h kybernhtikh pleiochfia fainetai, pleon, na sthrizetai kai se orismenoys boyleytes, oi opoioi exoyn diaxwrisei, oysiastika, th qesh toys apo thn politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh kai apo thn hgesia toy kommatos, dhlwnontas oti den qa einai ypochfioi stis epomenes ekloges, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai swsto ayto poy eipate. Enas boyleyths poy den qelei na katebei, eite epeidh exei polla xronia sto Koinoboylio h epeidh exei epaggelmatikes ypoxrewseis, opws sthn periptwsh toy k. Kremastinoy h gia opoioysdhpote alloys logoys poy o idios epilegei, den shmainei se kamia periptwsh -kai aporw giati legetai ayto- oti den sthrizei thn kybernhsh kai oti den doyleyei gia to PASOK. Ayto den prokyptei apo poyqena. Mh dhmioyrgoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Yparxei apolyth staqerothta. Oi boyleytes mas kanoyn th doyleia toys, me idiaiterh proshlwsh sto leitoyrghma toys. Polloi apo aytoys eixan, hdh, eidopoihsei oti gia kapoioys dikoys toys logoys den epiqymoyn na einai kai pali ypochfioi. Ayto einai dikaiwma toys kai einai sebasto. Timoyme thn prosfora toys, einai shmantikh, alla koitame mprosta. Ayto einai kai mia megalh eykairia gia ananewsh kai sta chfodeltia mas kai sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada mas.

MIXAHL: Pisteyw na paradexeste kai toylaxiston oi paroikoyntes sthn Ieroysalhm, oloi mas dhladh gnwrizoyme oti den einai mono synadelfoi sas poy exoyn proswpikoys logoys h opoioysdhpote alloys logoys. Exoyn kai politikes diafwnies. Einai polloi poy exoyn dhlwsei dhmosia oti h politikh poy ekfrazei h kybernhsh kai to poy to paei to pragma o k. Shmiths den toys ekfrazei kai to lene. Poios sas eggyatai oti aytoi, menontas boyleytes mexri thn hmera poy qa dialyqei h Boylh gia tis ekloges, qa sthrijoyn thn Kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: An diabasete tis dhlwseis, qa parete thn apanthsh. Mh dhmioyrgoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Oydeis amfisbhtei to PASOK, thn poreia toy, to mellon toy kai th dikh toy entajh se ayto. Bebaiws, me ejairesh ton k. Papaqemelh, o opoios ekane safh dhlwsh kai sthn opoia exw, hdh, topoqethqei. Ton exw kalesei na paraithqei. Den yparxei kanena allo qema.

MIXAHL: Ektimate oti htan endedeigmenos o tropos poy o k. Shmiths zhthse apo toys boyleytes na einai jekaqarh h stash toys; Akomh kai synadelfoi sas poy sthrizoyn thn kybernhsh lene (den akoygetai)...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi ta pragmata. Exoyme synedriaseis toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy kai ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs. Ti poio logiko apo to na jekaqarisei to topio. Den prepei na gnwrizeis an o x h o c epiqymei na einai ypochfios h oxi; Pws qa ftiajoyme toys syndyasmoys, ean den gnwrizoyme an o synadelfos boyleyths epiqymei na synexisei na dinei th maxh. Gia paradeigma, o k. Kremastinos eipe xqes oti epilegei thn episthmonikh kariera toy. Ara, o k. Kremastinos den qa einai ypochfios sta Dwdekanhsa. Ayto den qa prepei na einai gnwsto; Pws qa ftiaxtei o syndyasmos gia ta Dwdekanhsa; Ayto htan kai to nohma ths epistolhs. Na gnwrizoyme pws qa sygkrothsoyme ta chfodeltia gia na mporesoyme na jekaqarisoyme to topio.

PAPPA: Epeidh h K.E. gia ta chfodeltia eixe synedriasei kai alles fores, paramones eklogwn, eiqistai na ginetai, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h anagkh toy k. Shmith na aposteilei ayth thn epistolh eixe skopo na qesei freno kai se kapoia alla senaria poy trexoyn parallhla.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena senario, san ayta poy akoyme. Einai poly kaqarh h politikh kai to topio. Yparxei sebasmos stoys synadelfoys, alla kai ananewsh. Koitame mprosta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate gia ton k. Papaqemelh mono, alla kai h ka Papazwh kai o k. Katsanebas kai alloi boyleytes poy feygoyn, lene ``den katebainoyme giati exei allajei to PASOK, yparxei mia metallajh sto PASOK''. Den lene, oyte koyrasthkan, oyte oti pane na kanoyn doyleies. Einai jekaqaroi. Tis epistoles tis exete parei, tis exete diabasei. Pws lete mono gia ton k. Papaqemelh; Mono o k. Kremastinos eipe ``exw doyleia kai prepei na fygw''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti o k. Papaqemelhs diaxwrise th qesh toy apo thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia. Oydeis allos boyleyths exei kanei kati tetoio, epomenws den yparxei kai qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H ka Papazwh den eipe ta idia; O k. Katsanebas den exei pei oti exei allajei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Prosejte sas parakalw, kanete laqos. Den yparxei tetoio qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: ``Jefygame apo ton Andrea Papandreoy'', leei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei diaxwrisei kaneis th qesh toy apo thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia. Apo kei kai pera, ean apofasisoyme na syzhtame gia to ti leei o kaqenas, qa sas pw ki egw gia ton k. Polydwra, gia paradeigma, ti eipe k.o.k.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den to kanete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai dynato na krinoyme oles tis apoceis, poy ekfrazontai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei prohgoymeno Prwqypoyrgos h arxhgos kommatos na stelnei epistoles stoys boyleytes toy kai na toys leei ean qa einai jana ypochfioi h oxi; Den exei janaginei. Sta ellhnika politika xronika yparxei prohgoymeno;

PRWTOPAPAS: Para poly fysiko einai. Den krinw oti yparxei kanena problhma.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Sthn prosfath omilia toy o Prwqypoyrgos sthn K.O. toy PASOK, eipe oti aytodikaiws oloi qa einai ypochfioi. Den gnwrize ekeinh th stigmh o Prwqypoyrgos oti yparxoyn diaqeseis apoxwrhshs; Dioti einai pro oligwn hmerwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prosejate ti eipe pali. Eipe oti den qa kriqoyn apo thn epitroph chfodeltiwn. Qa kriqoyn apo thn K.E. toy PASOK, kata to Katastatiko mas. Den epetrece -as to pw etsi- den edwse thn armodiothta sthn Epitroph Chfodeltiwn, poy oloklhrwnei tis synedriaseis ths, na krinei nyn boyleytes. Gi ayto kai o idios o Proedros ths K.O. kai Prwqypoyrgos -exei shmasia ayto- zhthse apo toys boyleytes, enocei ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, opoy kata to Katastatiko krinontai na poyn ti epiqymoyn. Ayto to qewrw apolytws fysiologiko.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa mporoyse ekeinh th stigmh o Prwqypoyrgos, gia na mhn exoyme kai ayto to qema ths epistolhs poy prokalei syzhthseis, poy toys eipe ``qa eiste ypochfioi'', na toys pei kai ``opoios qelei na to dhlwsei''. Den eixe ypoch toy o Prwqypoyrgos to klima poy epikratei sthn K.O.;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos jekaqarise, me aformh dhmosieymata ekeinhs ths hmeras, oti oi nyn boyleytes den krinontai apo mia epitroph poy exei systaqei apo to E.G. Kai ayto leei to Katastatiko mas. Ti ekane; Efarmogh toy Katastatikoy. To Katastatiko den epitrepei sthn epitroph, h opoia einai atyph oysiastika, eishghtikh einai, na krinei nyn boyleytes. Ayto mporei na to kanei mono h K.E. Epeidh, loipon, h K.E. mporei na dei epi ths oysias kai na krinei nyn boyleytes, to stoixeiwdes einai na gnwrizei, kat arxas, poioi epiqymoyn. Giati na se krinei ean den epiqymeis;

TAKHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, kata poso qewreite oti ayth h dhlwsh poy qa kanoyn oi boyleytes pros ton Prwqypoyrgo, qa einai desmeytikh; Kai sas to lew, dioti sas metaferw mia syzhthsh poy egine xqes sth Boylh apo kapoioys synadelfoys sas toy PASOK, oi opoioi elegan to ejhs: ``Emeis mporei thn Pempth na dhlwsoyme oti qa eimaste ypochfioi, alla meta apo enamisi mhna na doyme oti oi synqhkes allazoyn kai diaforopoioyntai kai na mhn eimaste''. Pws qewreite, loipon, oti qa einai desmeytikh gia toys boyleytes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oloi oi boyleytes toy PASOK diaqetoyn politikh sobarothta.

KARGOYDH: Metaferontas mas thn topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy eipate pws eipe oti ``h politikh einai kai oikonomiko klima''. Hqela na rwthsw ean stoys mhnes poy sas apomenoyn ws kybernhsh, anamenontai prwtoboylies sas ston oikonomiko tomea, tetoies poy na ephreazoyn se shmantiko baqmo to oikonomiko klima kai ara kai thn politikh sas eikona.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa hqela na sas parakalesw na diabasete ton Proypologismo kai qa tis deite mesa.

BITALHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema twn chfodeltiwn, epeidh akoysthke kai h epixeirhmatologia toy k. Kremastinoy. Me bash tis epistoles toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy k. Kremastinoy, poy blepoyn shmera to fws ths dhmosiothtas, blepoyme oti yparxei mia epistolh toy k. Kremastinoy me hmeromhnia 26.9.2003 pros ton Prwqypoyrgo. Profanws kati qa leei ayth h epistolh. Ean gnwrizete...

PRWTOPAPAS: Orismenoi boyleytes eixan ekdhlwsei apo poly prin tis proqeseis toys. Htan gnwsto oti den epiqymoysan na einai ypochfioi. To eipa sthn arxh ths eisagwgikhs topoqethshs moy kai den to eipa tyxaia.

BITALHS: Ara, yphrxan kai alles epistoles apo prin ston Prwqypoyrgo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrxan synadelfoi, oi opoioi me diaforoys tropoys, oxi kat anagkh me epistoles, eixan pei ``problhmatizomai na mhn eimai ypochfios stis erxomenes ekloges''. Gia diaforoys logoys o kaqenas. O k. Kremastinos gia epaggelmatikoys logoys, alloi gia kapoioys alloys. Edw kai arketo kairo malista.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ektos apo aytoys poy jeroyme einai kai alloi twra; Qa doyme kai alla onomata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Alla lew egw, alla lete eseis. Eipa kati me aformh thn periptwsh toy k. Kremastinoy.

ZOYLAS: Qa hqela na proekteinw thn erwthsh toy synadelfoy. O Prwqypoyrgos perimenei mono safeis qetikes h arnhtikes apanthseis; Giati se periptwsh -kai yparxoyn tetoies plhrofories- poy prokycoyn eji-oktw epistoles boyleytwn poy qa lene ``nai men, alla'' o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei; Dhladh, perimenei mono, safws ``nai'' h ``oxi'', apo toys boyleytes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn Paraskeyh exoyme kapoia chfoforia sthn K.E., gia ta chfodeltia.

ZOYLAS: Sas metaferw mia plhroforia oti eji me oktw boyleytes toy PASOK qa dhlwsoyn men oti qa metasxoyn ston proeklogiko agwna, alla ypo thn airesh na symfwnoyn me thn politikh poy qa akoloyqhsei stoys epomenoys pente mhnes to PASOK. Qa apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos se kati tetoio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to katalabainw ayto, etsi opws to lete. H politikh toy PASOK einai ayth poy akoloyqei.

ZOYLAS: Qa sas to qesw ayrio, otan qa ginoyn gnwstes oi epistoles, tote.

PRWTOPAPAS: Na to qesete. Kalytera etsi. Dioti prepei, epanalambanw, na eimaste oloi safeis, kaqaroi, sobaroi. Etsi prepei na einai o kaqe boyleyths kai pisteyw oti oloi eimaste etsi. Ej orismoy to qewrw ayth th stigmh. To PASOK akoloyqei mia dedomenh politikh, h opoia eggrafetai kai ston kratiko Proypologismo. H oikonomikh politikh mas apotypwnetai sto synolo ths ston kratiko Proypologismo. Ayto apo shmera, einai apolytws gnwsto. Den epitrepei amfisbhthseis. O kratikos Proypologismos apotypwnei safws, xwris amfisbhthseis kai amfibolies, poia einai h politikh mas. Den mporei kaneis na leei ``den to jerw''.

BITALHS: Einai chfos empistosynhs, dhladh, gia oloys toys boyleytes toy PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai aytonohto ayto;

BITALHS: Kai gi aytoys poy menoyn kai gi aytoys poy feygoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den kanw diaxwrismo kai den qa kanw pote, giati oso diarkei h 4etia eisai boyleyths toy PASOK. Apo kei kai pera, ean se eklejei o laos qa janaeisai. Ean den se eklejei o laos, eite dioti den eqeses ypochfiothta, eite dioti den ejeleghs, den qa eisai. Alla, ws K.O., oso eimaste se ayth th qhteia, oloi oi boyleytes einai isoi. Den yparxoyn boyleytes kalyteroi h xeiroteroi. Pote den to dexomai ayto. Oloi oi boyleytes toy PASOK exoyn ta idia dikaiwmata kai tis idies ypoxrewseis. Einai aytonohto oti h chfoforia gia ton Proypologismo einai chfos empistosynhs, alla den blepw na yparxei problhma kai qema gia na syzhtame.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh sas akoyme syxna, oxi mono esas, alla kai alla stelexh toy PASOK, na anafereste sto kratos ths Dejias, kai telos pantwn na emfanizetai oti ean epanelqei h N.D. qa exoyme diwjeis kai diafora tetoia, exoyme, loipon, kataggelies poy malista aforoyn ton Grammatea ths K.O. toy PASOK, ton k. Lebogiannh, o opoios kathgoreitai gia diwjeis Limenarxwn kai diafores prajeis, poy aforoyn thn eklogikh toy perifereia, tis Kyklades. H efhmerida ``Apogeymatinh'' shmera exei sxetiko dhmosieyma, malista. Qa hqela na moy sxoliasete th symperifora toy k. Lebogiannh, ws boyleyth toy PASOK.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epitrecete moy na sas pw, epeidh exw kai proswpikh gnwrimia me ton k. Lebogiannh, oti einai eyprepestatos, idiaitera ypeyqynos, semnos kai ergatikos boyleyths.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Pera apo ayto, tis energeies toy; Den einai ena to peristatiko.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai mia ypoqesh apo ton Aygoysto h to Septembrio ean qymamai kala. Thn eixa syzhthsei me ton k. Lebogiannh, dioti eixa dei kai tote ena dhmosieyma sthn "Apogeymatinh". Profanws anafereste sto idio qema me to Limenarxh ths Sifnoy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Einai kai allo qema. Twra exoyme kai to Limenarxh ths Najoy, o opoios apeilei oti qa kataqesei mhnyseis. Exoyme, dhladh, mia symperifora poy epanalambanetai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa epikoinwnhsw me ton k. Lebogiannh kai qa epanelqw gia th dieykolynsh sas kai epeidh prokeitai gia to Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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