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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Noembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Shmera, stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos parabreqhke sta egkainia toy neoy ktirioy twn Genikwn Arxeiwn toy Kratoys. Stis 14:30, qa exei synanthsh me to Dioikhth ths Eqnikhs Trapezas kai Proedro ths Enwshs Ellhnikwn Trapezwn Qeodwro Karatza, gia tis ejelijeis sto trapeziko systhma.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synergasia me to Grammatea toy PASOK Mixalh Xrysoxoidh. Stis 11, qa dexqei thn Proedro ths ENAE ka Fwfh Gennhmata kai stis 11.30 qa exei synanthsh me thn Proedro ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs ``AQHNA-2004'' ka Gianna Aggelopoyloy. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia to syntonismo ths olympiakhs proetoimasias. Stis 19:30, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Emporikhs Trapezas Iwannh Stoyrnara. Stis 11, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Kwsta Skandalidh. Stis 13:30, qa exei synanthsh me ton Arxiepiskopo Amerikhs Dhmhtrio.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa ginei syskech sta grafeia toy PASOK, me symmetoxh ypoyrgwn kai kommatikwn stelexwn, gia ta qemata ths apokentrwshs, ths perifereiakhs organwshs, toy eklogikoy nomoy, oloy toy paketoy twn qesmikwn allagwn, poy qa proteinei o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn. H syskech qa ginei ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai me eishghth ton armodio ypoyrgo Eswterikwn Kwsta Skandalidh, qa einai kommatikh syskech me symmetoxh ypoyrgwn poy einai stelexh toy Kinhmatos. Stis 18:30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa proedreysei ths eklogikhs epitrophs. Kai gia tis 19:00, exei prosdioristei synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK.

Gia thn Paraskeyh, den qa sas dwsw shmera to programma, alla thn Tetarth, dioti anamenetai na oristei kapoio kybernhtiko organo, to opoio qa ejarthqei apo to ryqmo ths proetoimasias. Qa afora qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs kai eidikotera ton eklogiko nomo.

Ayta apo to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qelw na kanw dyo eisagwgikes parathrhseis:

@ Pisteyw oti prepei oloi na katadikasoyme me ton pio apolyto kai kathgorhmatiko tropo th banaysh tromokratikh epiqesh sto Riant. Ekfrazoyme ta syllyphthria mas sthn kybernhsh ths Saoydikhs Arabias, alla kai stis alles kybernhseis poy oi polites toys epesan qymata ayths ths barbarhs tromokratikhs epiqeshs. Bebaiws, epibebaiwnoyme oti h Ellada, sto plaisio ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas, qa kanei o,ti mporei -kai elpizoyme oti ayto qa ginei apo oles tis xwres- prokeimenoy na endynamwqoyn ta apotelesmata ths dieqnoys synergasias kai prospaqeias gia thn patajh ths tromokratias.

@ H deyterh eisagwgikh dhlwsh exei sxesh me thn protash toy k. Karamanlh, sta Xania, gia thn prosklhsh -opws eipe- dhmosioy dialogoy metajy twn politikwn arxhgwn gia ta problhmata toy topoy. H dhlwsh mas exei ws ejhs: ``Dialogos metajy twn politikwn arxhgwn gia ta megala problhmata toy topoy, gia ta problhmata twn politwn ginetai kai qa ginetai mesa apo tis qesmikes diadikasies poy problepei to dhmokratiko mas politeyma. Prosfata, ejalloy, sth Boylh egine syzhthsh gia thn eyrwpaikh politikh kai se liges hmeres qa ginei syzhthsh gia th genikoterh poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Den mporoyme, omws, na afhsoyme ayton ton koryfaio dialogo, metajy twn politikwn arxhgwn, na ypobaqmistei se ena rolo ejyphrethshs twn proeklogikwn pyrotexnhmatwn toy k. Karamanlh, sta opoia anaferetai kata th diarkeia twn sygkentrwsewn ths N.D.''.

Shmera, qa steilw se oloys toys armodioys foreis ena keimeno, to opoio qa sas dianemhqei, me protaseis gia th diamorfwsh enos ryqmistikoy plaisioy gia tis dhmoskophseis kai tis metrhseis thleqeashs kai akroamatikothtas. To keimeno ayto apotelei to plaisio gia thn enarjh toy dhmosioy dialogoy. Einai ena qema shmantiko, dhmosioy, politikoy kai koinwnikoy endiaferontos. Stoxos mas einai sto epomeno dimhno, an xreiastei kai parapanw, na ginei enas eyrys kai epoikodomhtikos dialogos me toys foreis se zhthmata poy aforoyn thn poiothta twn dhmoskophsewn kai twn metrhsewn thleqeashs kai akroamatikothtas, kaqws kai ton tropo dhmosieyshs toys. Sth synexeia, me bash ta apotelesmata toy dialogoy, qa prospaqhsoyme na ekponhsoyme ena nomosxedio gia to ryqmistiko plaisio.

Proqesh mas einai to plaisio ayto na teqei se isxy meta tis prosexeis boyleytikes ekloges, gia na mhn pei kaneis, eite oti biazomaste, eite oti epixeiroyme na ejyphrethsoyme kati allo. Qeloyme twra to dialogo, qeloyme twra th dynatothta syzhthshs kai symfwnias panw se ayta ta zhthmata kai h isxys as ginei kai meta tis ekloges. Mas endiaferei h synennohsh kai h symfwnia, giati einai ena shmantiko qema gia ton eksygxronismo toy politikoy systhmatos mas, poy synexizoyme na ton yposthrizoyme kai na ton prowqoyme.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayto shmainei oti den apodexetai thn prosklhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Hmoyn safhs, qa to epanalabw ean qelete. Dialogos metajy twn politikwn arxhgwn kai ginetai kai qa synexisei na ginetai mesa apo toys qesmikoys tropoys poy problepei to dhmokratiko mas politeyma. Se kamia, omws, periptwsh, den einai dynato h koryfaia ayth diadikasia na ypobaqmizetai sto rolo ths ejyphrethshs twn proeklogikwn skopimothtwn kai twn pyrotexnhmatwn, ta opoia ejapolyei o k. Karamanlhs, kata th diarkeia twn proeklogikwn sygkentrwsewn ths N. D.

SIDERHS: Epeidh sthn politikh to hqos einai yfos, poso proagei ton politiko mas politismo o logos Pagkaloy, opws emfanisthke ayto to Sabbatokyriako;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa symfwnhsw mazi sas, sto eidos ths erwthshs, toylaxiston. Qelw na pw to ejhs: Apo edw kai pera, eiserxomaste se mia periodo kata thn opoia qa yparxoyn para polles omilies kai topoqethseis stelexwn mas se olh thn Ellada. Kaqe Kyriakh, ypoqetw, polla koryfaia stelexh mas qa exoyn thn eykairia na ekfwnoyn logoys se olh thn Ellada. Den einai dynaton o kybernhtikos ekproswpos na topoqeteitai, eite se sygkekrimena apospasmata, eite se paragrafoys twn pollwn omiliwn poy qa yparxoyn apo koryfaia stelexh se olh thn Ellada. Kai ayto, ws genikh parathrhsh. Apo kei kai pera, qelw na tonisw to ejhs: Emeis, ws PASOK, einai safes oti jekinoyme thn prospaqeia mas gia na probaloyme to ergo mas -h Ellada allaje, anebhke kathgoria, mesa se ayth th dekaetia- to programma mas, thn prooptikh mas gia thn eyhmeria toy ellhnikoy laoy, toy Ellhna polith. Fysika kai qa antiparateqoyme me th N.D., se sxesh me thn ikanothta ths na kybernhsei ton topo. Qa antiparateqoyme gia to kryfo programma ths, gia tis kryfes diaqeseis ths, poy kata th gnwmh mas einai arnhtikes apenanti sta problhmata toy topoy kai twn politwn. Kai qa antiparateqoyme politika, opws ejalloy ginetai kai se oles tis analoges periodoys. O k. Pagkalos ekane mia tetoia antiparaqesh. Anaferqhke sthn ikanothta toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na kybernhsei th xwra, oxi se proswpika toy xarakthristika -se kamia periptwsh. Bebaiws, sas eipa oti kaqe Kyriakh qa exoyme polles omilies stelexwn mas se olh th xwra. O kaqenas exei to diko toy tropo ekfrashs, katoxyrwmeno diaxronika kai gnwsto ston ellhniko lao kai den einai dynaton o kybernhtikos ekproswpos na krinei tis epimeroys anafores. Se genikes grammes, omws, yparxei mia syllogikh prospaqeia, mia megalh prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na anadeijoyme to ergo mas, na paroysiasoyme tis prooptikes kai tis prosdokies mas kai bebaiws, na apokalycoyme ston ellhniko lao oti to programma ths N.D. den prosferei lyseis -to antiqeto qa elega- mas gyrizei pisw, se sxesh me ta problhmata toy topoy kai twn politwn.

SIDERHS: Wstoso, to ``anepaggeltos'' kai to ``agnwstos'', den einai proswpika xarakthristika;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa jana oti o k. Pagkalos anaferqhke sth dynatothta diakybernhshs toy topoy apo ton k. Karamanlh kai to komma toy.

LAMPRAKOS: Milhsate gia th genikh grammh sthn opoia qa topoqetoyntai ta stelexh toy kommatos. Epeidh tis anafores toy k. Pagkaloy polloi tis xarakthrisan ws sklhro rok, h genikh grammh qa einai sklhro rok;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa deite oloys toys xoroys.

LAMPRAKOS: Kai toy Zaloggoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ektos toy Zaloggoy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: An katalaba kala yioqeteite osa eipe xqes o k. Pagkalos, dioti milhsate gia diaxronikh katoxyrwsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prosejate kala thn topoqethsh moy. Eipa oti ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos den protiqemai -otan exw pente-deka topoqethseis koryfaiwn stelexwn, tis opoies qa tis exoyme kaqe Sabbatokyriako kai kalo einai ayto kai gia to PASOK kai gia ton ellhniko lao, poy enhmerwnetai me ayto ton tropo- na erxomaste edw kai na leme ti eipe to kaqe koryfaio stelexos. Ayto to pragma den ginetai kai oyte einai rolos toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Ola ta stelexh mas -kai ayth einai h politikh apofash poy exoyme ws PASOK- einai safes oti ayth th stigmh agwnizontai gia na probaloyn to ergo mas, na anadeijoyn to programma mas, na odhghsoyn sthn katanohsh toy epikindynoy gia ton topo kai ta symferonta twn politwn kryfoy akoma, alla anadeiknyomenoy siga-siga, programmatos ths N.D.. Na ypoxrewsoyme th N.D. na mpei se mia safh, kaqarh politikh syzhthsh gia ta problhmata toy topoy kai bebaiws na odhghsoyme, me qetikh chfo, thn epilogh toy ellhnikoy laoy gia to poios qelei na ton kybernhsei gia thn epomenh tetraetia. Einai safes oti to kaqe stelexos exei to diko toy tropo epikoinwnias kai ekfrashs, poy einai katoxyrwmenos diaxronika kai ton opoio den protiqemai na krinw. Ayto to gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos. Apo thn allh pleyra, gia th sygkekrimenh periptwsh eipa oti o k. Pagkalos anaferqhke sthn ikanothta diakybernhshs toy topoy apo th N.D. kai ton k. Karamanlh kai oxi se proswpika xarakthristika.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos den einai to opoiodhpote stelexos. Einai arxistrathgos, epikefalhs toy proeklogikoy agwna sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Pagkalos den zhta galonia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Eseis toy ta aponeimate. Kata synepeia, nomizw oti o k. Pagkalos einai ekeino to kat@ ejoxhn stelexos poy ekfrazei mia kommatikh grammh. Se ayth th grammh, loipon, eseis symfwneite. H kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos yioqetoyn osa eipe, xqes, o k. Pagkalos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw topoqethqei gi@ ayto.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Milhsate genika gia ton proeklogiko agwna. Egw rwtw gia ton k. Pagkalo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa kai gia th taktikh mas genikotera kai gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai hmoyn poly safhs.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mhpws sto programma toy PASOK yparxei kati kryfo, opws einai h strateysh twn gynaikwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: H sygkekrimenh syzhthsh egine se ena xwro neolaias, opoy yphrje kataqesh proswpikwn apocewn apo mia seira stelexwn. Omws, opws tonise kai o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas G. Papantwnioy, den yparxei kanena qema gia ypoxrewtikh strateysh twn gynaikwn. Bebaiws, oi gynaikes poy epiqymoyn, se eqelontikh bash, na pane sto strato, exoyn thn eykairia na pane. Na ypenqymisw oti yparxoyn sto strato gynaikes ajiwmatikoi kai epaggelmaties oplites.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos den enhmerwnetai gi@ ayta, otan exei thn ejoysiodothsh poy eipame prohgoymenws;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw oti se mia syzhthsh se ena neolaiistiko xwro kai koino gyrw apo ta problhmata ths neolaias, anaptyssontai kai proswpikes protaseis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh, opws eipate, kaqenas ekfrazetai me to diko toy tropo kai ton exei katoxyrwsei diaxronika, o k. Pagkaloys profanws exei katoxyrwsei tis ybreis kai prepei na tis anexomaste...

PRWTOPAPAS: H ermhneia einai dikh sas. H dikh moy einai diaforetikh. Oydepote qa to pw ayto, oyte zhthsa na anexosaste tipota.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Rwtw: Apo th stigmh poy exei o k. Pagkalos katoxyrwsei ayto ton tropo ekfrashs, exei afeqei eleyqeros na ekfrazei kai thn kommatikh grammh, ws epikefalhs toy proeklogikoy agwna me ton tropo ayto h pairnei odhgies h enhmerwnete h den enhmerwnete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, topoqethqei.

BITALHS: Hdh, exoyn jekinhsei ejormhseis stelexwn sthn eparxia kai eipate oti ayto to pragma qa synexistei. To erwthma einai, yparxei ena sygkekrimeno plaisio panw sto opoio kinoyntai oi topoqethseis toy k. Pagkaloy, toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, toy k. Benizeloy. Kai deyteron, an krinete oti yparxei diaforetikh "grammh" anamesa sthn topoqethsh toy k. Pagkaloy xqes sth neolaia kai toy Grammatea toy Kinhmatos sthn Katerinh. Dioti htan dyo diaforetikes topoqethseis kai omilies. Dhladh, qa synexistei ayto to pragma, mia polyfwnia stis topoqethseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhka kai sto prwto kai sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas.

KARGOYDH: Mas lete oti exete moirasei roloys sto proeklogiko epiteleio sas; Etsi katalabainw. An prokeitai peri epiloghs, ayto shmainei oti exete moirasei roloys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Polles fores me exete ermhneysei swsta. Twra, mhn kanete to laqos na me ermhneysete laqos.

SOYGLERHS: Eipate oti apo Kyriakh se Kyriakh qa akoyme tetoia apo ta stelexh toy PASOK...

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti qa akoyme para polles topoqethseis.

SOYGLERHS: ...kai opwsdhpote qa ginetai kritikh sth N.D., ston arxhgo ths. Apo thn allh pleyra, omws, h N.D. kanei to idio. Synadei ayto to epipedo proeklogika se ayth th fash kai qa pame etsi, th stigmh poy o ellhnikos laos perimenei kati jexwristo kai apo thn kybernhsh kai apo thn antipoliteysh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se kaqe periptwsh, sto xeri olwn mas einai na diafylajoyme to epipedo toy eklogikoy agwna. Oso mas afora, qa to kanoyme.

SIDERHS: To gegonos oti o k. Pagkalos, me ayto to yfos sth dhmotikh diamaxh toy me ton k. Abramopoylo, katafere na katatropwsei ton eayto toy, sas problhmatizei, mhpws ayth th fora kataferei na katatropwsei to PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Milame gia anomoia pragmata. Mh sygkrinoyme to PASOK me ton k. Abramopoylo. Den exoyme kamia sxesh me ton k. Abramopoylo.

BITALHS: Xqes, eixame mia akomh parembash toy strathgoy Ozgkiok, me synenteyjh toy sthn "Rentikal". O k. Ozgkiok jekaqarise ta oria ths stashs ths Toyrkias sto Kypriako, dyo-treis meres meta th dhmosiopoihsh ths ekqeshs ths Komision. Ejakoloyqei na yposthrizei oti h Kypros einai qema eqnikhs asfaleias gia thn Toyrkia kai den fainetai na dexetai, se kamia periptwsh, tis parathrhseis poy exoyn diatypwqei apo thn ekqesh ths Komision. Hqela na sas rwthsw, h ellhnikh kybernhsh, me bash ayta ta sxolia, pws steketai kai ti apanta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai skopimo na sxoliazw oles tis dhlwseis twn Toyrkwn strathgwn. Exw pei kati kai den exw kanena logo na to aposyrw, paroti emaqa oti o k. Erntogan to sxoliase. Ayto poy xreiazetai na kanei h Toyrkia einai na apanthsei qetika se ayto poy leei h Dieqnhs Koinothta, symballontas sthn epilysh toy Kypriakoy.

MHLIAKAS: Qelw na rwthsw an h Kybernhsh, an oi ypoyrgoi h oi boyleytes toy PASOK kanoyn roysfetia. Kai to rwtaw ayto, giati xqes o ``Rizospasths'' dhmosieyse oti exoyn sthn katoxh toy ena oloklhro fakelo apo ta roysfetia poy parakoloyqoyse proswpika o k. Qeodwroy otan htan yfypoyrgos Anaptyjhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw tipota gia roysfetia.

MHLIAKAS: Den diabasate to xqesino Rizospasth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ton diabasa. Apo kei kai pera, ws eiqistai, kaqe politiko grafeio parakoloyqei kapoia aithmata poy exoyn qesei oi polites. Alla ayto den exei kamia sxesh me thn ennoia toy roysfetioy.

MHLIAKAS: Na prospaqhsoyme na to analysoyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: To jerete toso kala eseis, poy den xreiazetai na topoqethqw egw. Eyxaristws, sas to afhnw. Alla, an me th lejh ``roysfeti'' ennooyme oti kaneis kati, poy einai mia ejyphrethsh, h opoia exei kaqara enan atomiko xarakthra, ektos seiras, ektos diadikasiwn kai ektos kanonismwn, kakws. Se kanenan den aresei ayto. To tonizw ayto kai qelw na eimai safhs. H synhqhs apanthsh, thn opoia dinoyme se polites poy akomh den exoyn peisqei kai erxontai na mas doyn gia na mas zhthsoyn na taktopoihqoyn ta paidia toys sto Dhmosio, einai oti yparxoyn diadikasies tis opoies prepei na akoloyqhsoyn. Toys synistoyme na exoyn empistosynh stis diadikasies aytes, dioti einai apolyta diafaneis. Ayth einai h staqerh apanthsh poy dinw egw, alla pisteyw kai polloi synadelfoi moy kai me kostos, an qelete, dioti stenoxwroymai. Omws, kala kanoyme, giati qa prepei na leme thn alhqeia, dioti ayth einai h alhqeia. Apo kei kai pera, an exoyn teqei kapoia alla zhthmata poy aforoyn erwthmata politwn kai kapoios parakoloyqei ws boyleyths thn poreia twn qematwn poy exoyn qesei oi polites, paei kala. An einai kati to opoio kapoios poliths den dikaioytai ki epixeiroyme na to kanoyme, kakws to kanoyme. Den qewrw kako, enas boyleyths na exei parei sto politiko grafeio toy kapoia erwthmata politwn kai na parakoloyqei tis apanthseis tis opoies dinei. Giati einai kako ayto; Se ola ta kommata den ginetai; Yparxoyn periptwseis stis opoies kapoios poliths isxyrizetai oti exei ena qema to opoio den diekperaiwnetai kai merikes fores kataggellei oti ``enw kati dikaioymai, den to exw parei''. Den prepei se mia tetoia periptwsh na asxolhqei o boyleyths me ayto;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw se poia armodiothta enos yfypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs empiptei h parakoloyqhsh qematwn, opws h metamosxeysh sykwtioy enos mwroy dyo mhnwn kai malista me thn yposhmeiwsh sta sygkekrimena ``roysfetoxarta'' oti yparxei endiaferon ths tade Nomarxiakhs toy PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw ayto.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Den diabasate kala. Jexnate ayta poy diabazete; Giati eipate oti diabasate to sxetiko reportaz sthn efhmerida.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh moy zhtate na sxoliazw ti grafthke sto ``Rizospasth'' gia kapoia sygkekrimenh periptwsh poy kapoios kathggeile, den ginetai. Edw milame genika, politika. H taktikh mas einai safhs. Den yparxei kamia parembash, poy einai ektos diadikasiwn, sto Dhmosio. Ean, apo ekei kai pera, enas poliths exei rwthsei kapoio boyleyth gia kapoio qema gia to opoio exei thn aisqhsh oti adikhqhke kai epixeirei o boyleyths na toy dwsei mia apanthsh, sto plaisio twn kanonismwn, twn nomwn kai twn problepomenwn leitoyrgiwn poy nomimws yparxoyn, den einai kako. Kai mena me rwthse kapoios proxqes gia kapoio qema, eixe ginei mia enstash me to ASEP, giati ektimoyse oti adikhqhke kai me rwtoyse ean exei apanthqei h enstash toy. Ean ton enhmerwsoyme gia thn apanthsh poy edwse to ASEP, giati einai kako ayto; Den gnwrizw apolyta to qema poy qetete kai oyte mporw na mpw se periptwsiologia. Nomizw pws to katalabainete.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, prin apo ena mhna, oti den yparxoyn dika mas kai dika toys paidia. Hqela na rwthsw, o katalogos poy einai sth diaqesh ths kybernhshs, symfwna me ta osa kategrace h efhmerida gia tis dekades kai ekatontades aithseis roysfetiwn gia metaqeseis, adeies PROPO, ekdoseis syntajewn eqnikhs antistashs k.lp. qa apasxolhsoyn thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na jekaqarisw to ejhs: Yparxoyn polloi polites poy nomizoyn oti mporoyme na exoyme akoma pelateiakes sxeseis, gia paradeigma, se sxesh me thn eisodo toys sto Dhmosio. Ayto den ginetai pia kai anejarthta ean den exoyn peisqei oloi, sas plhroforw oti h apanthsh poy dinoyme einai oti den ginetai ayto, yparxoyn diadikasies oi opoies throyntai. Terma h pelateiakh sxesh toy neoy anqrwpoy me ton ypoyrgo, to boyleyth, ton politiko. Ayto na to jekaqarisoyme. Polloi apo emas ayto to plhrwnoyme kaqhmerina, me thn ennoia oti kapoioi dysarestoyntai, alla ayth einai h pragmatikothta, ayth einai h qetikh gia thn koinwnia pragmatikothta. Na sas anaferw ena paradeigma: Phra xqes mia epistolh apo kapoio polith poy den pisteyei oti den mporw na parabw to ASEP. Proswpika xairomai poy den mporw kai den qelw na to parabw. Lypamai bebaiws gia ton polith poy den ton exw peisei, qa epixeirhsw na ton peisw. Einai sth diaqesh sas h epistolh ayth. Emeis throyme diadikasies, exoyme epiballei th diafaneia, thn ajiokratia kai o,ti apomenei na ylopoihqei, se ayto ton tomea, eimaste apofasismenoi na to ylopoihsoyme.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Den qelw thn epistolh, qelw na moy sxoliasete th meleth kai thn ereyna toy ASEP, to opoio molis proxqes kategrace, pws se oti afora to qema roysfeti kai pelateiakes sxeseis sthn Ellada, ginontai terata kai shmeia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipe etsi. Katonomase sygkekrimenes periptwseis. Kai ean prosejate oi perissoteres apo aytes tis periptwseis den aforoyn ton kratiko mhxanismo. Kala qa kanoyn kai ekeinoi oi foreis, stoys opoioys to ASEP anaferetai, na katanohsoyn oti h epoxh toy roysfetioy kai ths pelateiakhs sxeshs exei teleiwsei. Kai ayto poy kanei h N.D. me to programma ths, poy afhnei anoikta zhthmata, den prosferoyn kalh yphresia ston Ellhna polith.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ean eixate ena xarti enos boyleyth ths N.D. oti diapragmateyetai me to nosokomeio AGIA SOFIA mosxeyma sykwtioy gia mwro dyo mhnwn, ayta qa legate shmera;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete fqasei sthn yperbolh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ayth einai apanthsh ston ypoyrgo sas, oxi se emena.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete fqasei sthn yperbolh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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