Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-10-03

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 3 Oktwbrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Na jekinhsoyme me th shmerinh dhmoskophsh ths VPRC, h opoia, an gnwrizoyme kala, htan na dhmosieyqei sta "NEA", alla telika dhmosieythke sthn "KAQHMERINH". Pws blepei h kybernhsh ayth th diafora, dedomenoy oti symperilambanei kai to paketo metrwn; Yparxei kapoia allagh, opws legate h einai anhsyxhtika ta pragmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kanena logo na sxoliasw dhmoskophseis "cygeioy", oi opoies oysiastika eginan thn idia periodo me tis alles analoges dhmoskophseis, gia tis opoies yparxoyn analytikes dhlwseis mas. Epomenws, sas parapempw stis dhlwseis ekeinhs ths periodoy.

LAMPRAKOS: Doqhke shmera sth dhmosiothta h ekqesh toy State Department poy anaferei dyo stoixeia gia thn Ellada, ta opoia xrhzoyn -nomizw- apanthshs apo esas. To prwto, einai oti sth lista me tis tromokratikes organwseis yparxei kai h "17N" kai oi "Epanastatikoi Pyrhnes". To deytero einai oti xarakthrizei to ypoyrgeio Typoy, en pash periptwsei, ws proistamenh arxh ths ERT kai toy APE kai genika leei oti den yparxoyn antikeimenika Mesa Enhmerwshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prokeitai gia dyo diaforetika pragmata: Einai ena enhmerwtiko deltio gia thn Ellada, to background note poy perilambanei to qema me ta MME kai yparxei kai epishmh anakoinwsh toy State Department gia to qema twn tromokratikwn organwsewn se olo ton kosmo. Jekinw apo th deyterh poy einai kai pio epishmh, an qelete. Exw thn entypwsh oti h anakoinwsh ayth den einai epikairopoihmenh. Profanws, grafeiokratikoi logoi den elaban ypoch tis teleytaies ejelijeis, dioti epaneilhmmena exoyn anaferqei kai Amerikanoi epishmoi kai sthn kalh synergasia poy exoyme gia thn katapolemhsh ths tromokratias sthn Ellada kai sth syllhch twn melwn ths "17N", ta opoia ws gnwston dikazontai. Opws gnwrizete, h dikh brisketai sto teliko stadio ths. Qewrw, loipon, th sxetikh ekqesh ws mh epikairopoihmenh kai profanws apotoko grafeiokratikwn antilhcewn, epanalhch, dhladh, palaioterwn. Erxomai twra sto prwto qema poy exei sxesh me to background note gia ta MME kai eidikotera gia to qema ths dhmosias Thleorashs. Exw thn entypwsh, oti to keimeno ayto poy einai epanalhch toy persinoy keimenoy, opws jerete, epanalambanei aytoleji to persino keimeno, agnoei pantelws thn eyrwpaikh pragmatikothta. Den mporoyn na katalaboyn to rolo ths dhmosias Radio-Thleorashs sthn Eyrwph. Dioti se olh thn Eyrwph yparxei isxyrh dhmosia Radio-Thleorash. Den exei kamia kaqodhghsh apo to ypoyrgeio Typoy. Anhkei sto Dhmosio, anhkei sto lao kai me ayth thn ennoia, exoyn ginei kai sthn Ellada, opws se olh thn Eyrwph hdh isxyei, sobara bhmata gia thn polyfwnia, thn paroysiash olwn twn apocewn kai thn anejarthsia ths ERT. Nomizw oti exoyme kanei polla kai sobara bhmata se ayth thn kateyqynsh sth xwra mas. Epomenws, exoyme sthn Eyrwph isxyres dhmosies Radio-Thleoraseis kai qa exoyme, anejarthtws an oi Amerikanoi mporoyn na to katalaboyn h oxi. Apo ekei kai pera, ektimw oti kai ayth h dhlwsh den exei labei ypoch thn pragmatikothta poy exei diamorfwqei sth xwra mas kai nomizw oti prepei oi syntaktes ths, anti na thn epanalambanoyn kaqe xrono aytoleji, na asxolhqoyn ligo, prokeimenoy na apotypwsoyn thn pragmatikothta ws exei kai oxi opws ekeinoi nomizoyn oti einai.

LAMPRAKOS: Qa yparjei kapoio diabhma apo ellhnikhs pleyras pros ton Amerikano presbeyth gia th "17N" kai toys "Epanastatikoys Pyrhnes";

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn oi dhlwseis toy Amerikanoy presbh, oi opoies den einai sthn idia kateyqynsh, oytws h allws.

LAMPRAKOS: Einai ena epishmo eggrafo sto opoio, nomizw, oti prepei na antidrasete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa ginoyn oi sxetikes kinhseis, alla nomizw, opws sas eipa, oti yparxoyn oi prosfates dhlwseis toy k. Miler poy den einai sthn idia kateyqynsh. Profanws, ayto poy isxyristhka briskei thn apodeijh toy kai stis dhlwseis toy k. Miler. Qa ginoyn, pantws, oxi ypo thn ennoia toy diabhmatos, oles oi sxetikes kinhseis.

KARGOYDH: Se polles eykairies diapistwnoyme ena eidos diglwssias apo thn pleyra ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs, diglwssia poy ekfrazetai apo diaforoys paragontes ths, opws to teleytaio paradeigma. Exete kapoia ektimhsh gia toys logoys poy prokyptei ayth h diglwssia; "Karoto - mastigio", ayto qelw na pw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei na einai otidhpote. Apo aploi grafeiokratikoi logoi mexri alles antilhceis. Den mporw na ypeiselqw sto myalo toy kaqenos. Pantws, otan epanalambaneis aytoleji ena keimeno poy eixes gracei kai persi, pollh grafeiokratia myrizei.

BITALHS: Qa epanelqw se ena qema, to opoio teqhke kai xqes kai afora thn anamenomenh apofash toy Areioy Pagoy gia to qema ths prosfyghs twn syllogwn apo th Qrakh. Xqes, kanate mia topoqethsh. Ekane kai o ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, ekane kai o k. Giannitshs. O yfypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Mpisths kanei mia topoqethsh epi toy oloy qematos, zhtwntas "na anagnwrisei epishma to ellhniko kratos dikaiwma eqnikoy aytoprosdiorismoy twn meionothtwn@" Symfwneite; Sas ekfrazei ws kybernhsh h dhlwsh ayth toy yfypoyrgoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Mpisths moy eipe prin apo ligo oti den exei kanei tetoia dhlwsh kai oti prokeitai gia mia dhlwsh ths AEKA, dhladh toy politikoy sxhmatismoy kai oxi toy idioy, ypo thn idiothta toy yfypoyrgoy. Ara, exw tonisei, kat` epanalhch, kai parapempw se ekeines tis dhlwseis, oti to gegonos pws ena stelexos ths AEKA kai sygkekrimena o k. Mpisths metexei sthn kybernhsh kai ergazetai symfwna me tis kybernhtikes apofaseis, den shmainei oti mporei kaneis na apagoreysei -alimono, to antiqeto qa elega- sthn politikh organwsh AEKA na exei th dikh ths apoch kai th dikh ths topoqethsh sta gegonota, symfwna me tis pagies qeseis ths.

IWANNOY: O k. Mpisths einai proedros ths AEKA, an den kanw laqos kai eseis qa exete sigoyra milhsei mazi toy h qa exete epikoinwnhsei thlefwnika. To erwthma mas einai an o idios symfwnei me thn anakoinwsh ths AEKA;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Mpisths einai kybernhtiko stelexos kai ws kybernhtiko stelexos o idios kanei th doyleia toy ston tomea eyqynhs poy toy exei anaqesei o Prwqypoyrgos sto plaisio twn kybernhtikwn apofasewn. Den mporei, omws, kaneis na sterhsei apo mia politikh organwsh th dynatothta na exei thn apoch ths kai na ekfrazetai. Einai yparkth politikh organwsh, exei onoma, edra, shma, politikh drasthriothta, politikes qeseis. Oi anqrwpoi diatypwsan tis qeseis toys. Den katalabainw giati mas ekplhssei kai mas jenizei ayto. Ejalloy, den einai h prwth fora poy tis diatypwnei.

IWANNOY: Ara, symfwnei kai o k. Mpisths. Ayto leme.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa jana oti einai diaforetikh h leitoyrgia enos kybernhtikoy stelexoys kai diaforetikh h leitoyrgia mias politikhs organwshs. Einai politikh organwsh. Dhladh, qewrhtika opoios symmetexei se mia politikh organwsh gnwrizei oti mporei na ekdwsei anakoinwsh h politikh organwsh kai xwris th symfwnia toy. Einai qema arxhs kai egw topoqetoymai se qemata arxhs. Ws kybernhtiko stelexos o k. Mpisths kanei th doyleia toy. H AEKA exei tis dikes ths politikes apoceis kai kaneis den exei dikaiwma na parembainei stis politikes apoceis ths organwshs ayths. An qelei na ths askhsei dhmosia kritikh, opws kanoyme se ola ta politika kommata, dikaiwma toy.

BITALHS: Mia dieykrinish: Dhladh, to sxetiko keimeno ths "ELEYQEROTYPIAS", to opoio anaferei oti o yfypoyrgos Dhmosias Dioikhshs@

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa ti moy dhlwse.

BITALHS: Ara, den isxyei oti ws yfypoyrgos exei kanei ayth th dhlwsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: O idios moy to eipe kai me ayth thn ennoia den exw kanena logo na to amfisbhtw. O idios moy dhlwse oti h sxetikh dhlwsh einai ths politikhs organwshs AEKA.

TAKHS: Dhladh, qelete na mas peite oti, otan kanei mia epishmh anakoinwsh to PASOK ws komma, yparxei h dynatothta na mhn ekfrazei ton Prwqypoyrgo; O k. Mpisths, apo o,ti jeroyme, exei idrysei thn AEKA. Einai dynato to komma toy na kanei mia dhlwsh, xwris na ekfrazei ton idio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eiste empeiros kai diakekrimenos politikos syntakths kai gnwrizete oti, kata to Syntagma mas, to PASOK einai kai to komma poy kyberna kai exei thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras. Den isxyei to idio kai gia thn AEKA. Einai diaforetikoy epipedoy to ena qema kai diaforetikoy to allo. Einai allh h symperifora enos kommatos, to opoio exei thn eyqynh enanti toy ellhnikoy laoy gia th diakybernhsh ths xwras kai allh h symperifora enos kommatos poy einai plhrws aytonomo kai toy opoioy stelexos symmetexei sthn kybernhsh. Ara, loipon, mh sygxeoyme anomoia metajy toys pragmata kai kata to Syntagma mas kai kata thn politikh oysia. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti, kata to parelqon, se orismenes kybernhtikes apofaseis eixe paroysiastei kai mia kritikh stash kai apo to PASOK, oxi bebaia ypo thn ennoia ths diafwnias. Einai gnwsto, gia paradeigma, oti, enw h kybernhsh den mporoyse na syzhthsei qemata poy syndeontan me tis kinhtopoihseis twn mazikwn organwsewn kata thn periodo toy polemoy sto Irak, to PASOK eixe labei apofash na symmetexei se aytes -kai orqws symmeteixe- tis kinhtopoihseis. Yparxei kai h diakrith leitoyrgia se orismena qemata, oxi ypo thn ennoia ths strathgikhs bebaiws, kai metajy kybernhshs kai PASOK. Ara, mh mas kanoyn entypwsh ayta ta qemata. Den blepw na yparxei zhthma.

TAKHS: Mhpws, loipon, qa peite ston k. Mpisth, to komma toy sto mellon na einai pio prosektiko gia na mhn sas prokalei problhmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme kamia tetoia proqesh. To AEKA einai ena komma me to opoio exoyme enan politiko dialogo kai den to kryboyme, giati nomizoyme oti mporei na prosferoyn, alla einai mia aytonomh politikh ontothta, poy exei tis dikes ths politikes apoceis. Qa ypoxrewsoyme emeis mia aytonomh politikh ontothta na exei thn a@ h th b@ qesh. Einai ejw apo th logikh kai thn politikh praktikh mas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa mpw sto qema ayto kaq@ ayto, to opoio einai sobaro kai egkymonei eqnikoys kindynoys. H kybernhsh pws to antimetwpizei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, probei se dhlwseis gi@ ayto to qema. Eipa oti sebomaste plhrws ta dikaiwmata twn meionothtwn kai kinoymaste aysthra sto plaisio toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai ths Synqhkhs ths Lozanhs. Ayto apanta se ola.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: To opoio den ginetai apodekto apo thn allh pleyra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Shmasia exei emeis pws kinoymaste.

BITALHS: Diabasa poly kala th xqesinh topoqethsh sas, diabasa thn anakoinwsh toy k. Giannitsh kai th dhlwsh toy k. Mpeglith. Akoysa kai ayto poy eipate twra peri meionothtwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Pantws, qewrw qetiko oti kai toy k. Roysopoyloy emoiaze me th dikh mas.

BITALHS: Gia poies meionothtes milate sthn Ellada;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei qrhskeytikh meionothta sth Qrakh;

BITALHS: Peite oti einai qrhskeytikh meionothta sth Qrakh, oxi na leme "meionothtes".

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai mono ayth h meionothta. Exoyme kai alla qemata sthn Ellada. Me ton oro "meionothtes" ennooyme polla eidh poy yparxoyn sthn Ellada. Gia paradeigma, kata th Synqhkh ths Lozanhs, yparxei h qrhskeytikh meionothta sth Qrakh. Yparxoyn, epishs, fyletikes meionothtes.

BITALHS: Gia th Synqhkh ths Lozanhs miloyme.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti yparxei, kata ths Synqhkh ths Lozanhs, qrhskeytikh meionothta sth Qrakh. Sto qema twn tsigganwn, gia paradeigma, exoyme na kanoyme me fyletikh meionothta.

BITALHS: Symfwnw, afoy to jekaqarisate. To qema, omws, einai sygkekrimeno kai afora mia apofash poy anamenoyme kai yparxei mia politikh diastash.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh dhmioyrgoyme qemata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Prepei na eimaste cyxraimoi kai nhfalioi sta eqnika qemata. Egw epithdes xrhsimopoihsa, xqes, th Synqhkh ths Lozanhs, gia na dwsw to stigma poy eprepe na dwsw. To katalabainete poly kala.

BITALHS: Twra, opws to qesate, mas to jekaqarisate kai eimaste apolyta symfwnoi. Gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na isxyei oti h Synqhkh ths Lozanhs kai ta osa ayth problepei gia th qrhskeytikh meionothta twn moysoylmanwn ths Qrakhs einai nomikws isxyroterh apo opoiadhpote allh dieqnh synqhkh h eswterikh synqhkh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei kapoio qema;

BITALHS: Bebaiws, h Synqhkh ths Rwmhs poy protassei kai sthn eishghsh toy o areopagiths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynato na krinw eishghsh, dhladh eswteriko keimeno, toy Areioy Pagoy; Giati den perimenete tis apofaseis toy Areioy Pagoy kai dhmioyrgeite monoi sas problhmata; Polles fores biazomaste. Mporoyme na eimaste cyxraimoi kai na perimenoyme tis apofaseis toy Anwtatoy Dikasthrioy, oi opoies qa ejetasoyn ola ayta ta qemata poy qetete. Eimai bebaios oti qa exoyme ena emperistatwmeno keimeno poy qa lynei oles tis apories mas kai oles tis nomikes anazhthseis mas. Kata ta alla, sebomaste plhrws ta dikaiwmata twn meionothtwn sthn Ellada kai opws kai xqes kanw kai shmera eidikh anafora sth Synqhkh ths Lozanhs gia to qema twn meionothtwn ths Qrakhs. Alla, prepei na anaferomaste kai stis alles meionothtes.

ANTYPAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia to qema poy exei prokycei me ta kondylia toy G@ K.P.S. kai to eggrafo poy paroysiase o k. Tsimplakos. Kat` arxas, qa hqela mia enhmerwsh apo thn kybernhsh gia to ti akribws symbainei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, to eggrafo poy paroysiase o k. Tsimplakos einai eggrafo yphresiwn ths E.E. pros to grafeio toy k. Mparnie. To eggrafo poy apesteile, epishmws pleon, to grafeio toy k. Mparnie einai diaforetiko. Den yioqetei tis ektimhseis kapoias yphresias. Epomenws, den exw kanena logo na to sxoliasw. Parapempw, omws, se xqesinobradinh kai shmerinh anakoinwsh toy k. Paxta, o opoios topoqetei to zhthma se olh thn politikh oysia toy kai bebaiws anaferetai kai sthn prospaqeia ths N.D. na dhmioyrgei problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn, se baros twn eqnikwn qematwn mas.

ANTYPAS: Dhladh, kata thn kybernhsh, den yparxei kanena apolytws problhma sth roh kai ajiopoihsh twn porwn toy G@ K.P.S.;

PRWTOPAPAS: An me rwtate, pws paei h roh toy G@ K.P.S., sas apantw oti to "nero exei mpei sto aylaki". Xreiasthke arketos kopos gi@ ayto. Yphrjan polla problhmata, ta opoia antimetwpisame kai lysame. Ayth th stigmh, "to nero exei mpei sto aylaki" kai trexei kanonika.

ANTYPAS: Se ayto to keimeno, dedomenoy oti perilambanei ektimhseis anqrwpwn poy parakoloyqoyn ta pragmata, estw kai an den eginan apodektes apo ton proistamenos toys, qa apanthsete epi ths oysias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa apanthsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh se enan yphresiako paragonta, toy opoioy oi apoceis den eginan apodektes apo ta politika proswpa sthn Koinothta; Ayto einai pagia arxh. Epeidh exw kanei koinwniko tameio, exw kai proswpikh empeiria.

ANTYPAS: To qema exei parei megalh ektash.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pairnei megalh ektash, giati sygkekrimeno politiko komma -kai ennow th N.D.- to "sprwxnei" pros ton Typo. O k. Tsimplakos to proballei ws dhqen to kentriko qema poy yparxei, enw einai ektimhsh enos yphresiakoy.

ANTYPAS: Gia na to yioqethsei o Typos, prepei na exei kai mia bash. Nomizw oti h frash "to nero mphke twra sto aylaki" epibebaiwnei oti yphrjan problhmata.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta problhmata eixan sxesh me mia seira kainoyrgies diadikasies, poy eixan antistaseis, opws aysthroi elegxoi, anejarthtes arxes, nees diadikasies anaqeshs me aysthroys oroys, plhreis ajiologhseis twn energeiwn. Den eixan synhqisei, oyte h ellhnikh Dhmosia Dioikhsh, oyte oi ellhnikes epixeirhseis, oyte oi ellhnikoi foreis, se toso aysthres diadikasies, oxi mono elegxoy, alla kai se sxesh me th skopimothta kai thn parakoloyqhsh twn ergwn poy qa pragmatopoioyntan. Rwthste, an qelete, mia apo tis epixeirhseis poy drasthriopoioyntai stoys xwroys aytoys kai qa deite oti allajan plhrws oi diadikasies. Exoyme, oxi aplws kainofaneis, alla plhreis diadikasies. Ayto apaithse xrono kai dhmioyrghqhkan problhmata sthn arxh. Xreiasthke na kamcoyme antistaseis. Paroysiasthkan xronikes ysterhseis. Omws, " to nero exei mpei sto aylaki", trexoyme kanonika kai qa einai ola etoima sthn wra toys. Ta idia elegan merikoi kai gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, paroysiasthke mia paraplhroforhsh toy k. Tsimplakoy, o opoios emfanise mia epistolh yphresiakoy pros toys proistamenoys toy ws ektimhseis ths Koinothtas. Den einai etsi kai kala qa kanoyme na stamathsoyme thn paraplhroforhsh. Qa epanelqei ep@ aytoy analytika o k. Paxtas, me synenteyjh toy thn erxomenh Trith.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ti qa ginei me thn ellhnokypriakh askhsh; Qa ginei h den qa ginei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Topoqethqhke o k. Papantwnioy kai to ekleise to qema.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ti ginetai me to qema ths aposyrshs twn amerikanikwn oplwn apo thn eqnikh froyra; Einai apaithsh ths Amerikhs na aposyrqoyn ta amerikanikhs kataskeyhs opla poy exei dwsei h Ellada sthn Kypro. Ti exei apofasisei h Ellada na kanei; Giati sthn parelash gia thn anejarthsia den symmeteixan oplika systhmata.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa synennohqw me to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai qa epanelqw, giati einai ena qema poy prepei na apanthsw, katopin synennohshs.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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