Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-09-03

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 3 Septembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Kat` arxas, qelw na kanw dyo eisagwgikes dhlwseis:

H prwth afora th shmerinh epeteio ths 3hs toy Septembrh, thn epeteio ths idryshs toy PASOK, poy syndeetai me th xqesinh ejaggelia apo ton Prwqypoyrgoy ths desmhs twn koinwnikwn metrwn, me ta opoia epibebaiwsame to staqero prosanatolismo mas stis ajies ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs kai allhleggyhs. To staqero prosanatolismo mas sth sthrijh twn koinwnikwn tajewn kai omadwn poy exoyn th megalyterh anagkh. Me thn politikh mas, omws, genikotera kai pairnontas dynamh apo tis rizes mas allazoyme th xwra, dhmioyrgoyme thn eyhmeria kai thn anaptyjh, qetoyme oristika thn Ellada sthn troxia ths proodoy.

H deyterh dhlwsh afora th shmerinh eikona twn stelexwn ths N.D.. Yparxoyn oi xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh. Yparxei h shmerinh dhlwsh ston thleoptiko staqmo STAR toy k. Alogoskoyfh, oti "einai qetika ta metra gia osoys paroyn ta xrhmata, alla den yparxoyn poroi". Yparxei h dhlwsh toy k. Soyflia oti "moirazoyme elaxista filodwrhmata se oloys kai cixoyla mikroparoxwn". Yparxei kai h dhlwsh toy k. Mhtsotakh oti "synistoyn bary plhgma sthn oikonomia" kai oti "den eprepe na doqoyn". Me bash aytes tis dhlwseis exw na pw ta ejhs: Parakoloyqhsame shmera ta stelexh ths N.D. se mia anepanalhpth epideijh sygxyshs kai panikoy. H N.D. qymizei ton pyrgo ths Babel. H politikh ths anemodoyras poy efarmozan twra toys ekqetei. Yparxei ena terastio elleimma politikhs se ayto to komma. As mas poyn telika, ti qa kanoyn; Poio einai to programma toys; Ti metra epaggellontai; As apofasisoyn, epiteloys, me poioys qa pane kai poioys qa afhsoyn.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KARGOYDH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exw dyo erwthseis: Epeidh sth dhlwsh sas gia thn epeteio apo thn idrysh toy PASOK xrhsimopoieite ek neoy th lejh "allagh". H allagh htan@

PRWTOPAPAS: Allazoyme th xwra.

KARGOYDH: Qelw na rwthsw, loipon: To '81 eixate ena sygkekrimeno periexomeno gia th lejh "allagh". Se ayth th fash ti periexomeno dinete ston oro "allagh";

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto qa to akoysete shmera -sth diarkeia ths ekdhlwshs poy qa pragmatopoihqei to apogeyma- apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai Proedro toy PASOK. Einai safes oti h Ellada proxwrei na dhmioyrghsei thn eyhmeria kai na einai isxyrh sthn "kardia" ths Eyrwphs. Na einai mia Ellada poy atenizei me aisiodojia to mellon sthn arxh toy 21oy aiwna. Kai ayto qetei mprosta mas nea kaqhkonta, nees prooptikes kai nees anagkes. Kai den jexname bebaia -thn idia wra poy oikodomoyme thn isxyrh Ellada, thn isxyrh oikonomia, thn oikonomikh sygklish, thn Ellada sthn Eyrwph- oti ayta prepei na odhgoyn -kai hdh odhgoyn sth sygklish ths koinwnias me tis pio prohgmenes koinwnies twn xwrwn ths Eyrwphs. Thn allh ebdomada qa paroysiasoyme th Xarta ths Oikonomikhs kai Koinwnikhs Sygklishs, to programma mas, to sxedio symporeyshs kai synergias me ton ellhniko lao, gia na badisoyme mazi mexri to 2008 kai na dhmioyrghsoyme thn eyhmeria. H Ellada allazei. H Ellada proxwra. Eggyomaste to mellon.

KARGOYDH: H deyterh erwthsh afora th dhlwsh toy k. Mhtsotakh. O k. Mhtsotakhs epishmainei, ektos apo ayta poy eipate, oti dhmioyrgeitai ena klima genikhs paroxologias, to opoio qa sas ejwqhsei sthn akrith ikanopoihsh twn opoiwn aithmatwn sas teqoyn apo alles epaggelmatikes h koinwnikes omades. Profanws anaferetai stoys dhmosioys ypallhloys, toys ekpaideytikoys k.lp. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Xairomai kat` arxhn, giati o k. Mhtsotakhs profanws tonizei pros ton arxhgo toy, ton k. Karamanlh, oti den prepei na yioqetei akrita opoiodhpote aithma toy tiqetai. Kai qelw na toys qymisw oti mexri xqes yioqetoysan to aithma oioydhpote phgaine sta grafeia ths N.D. gia na toy qesei kati. Qelw na sas qymisw, epishs, ti eixe pei o k. Karamanlhs kai pros thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai tis koinwnikes omades, oi opoies eqetan sygkekrimena oikonomika qemata. Htan ayto poy onomasa prin apo ligo politikh ths anemodoyras. Fantazomai oti o k. Mhtsotakhs ypodeiknyei prwta sto komma toy oti prepei na to stamathsei ayto. Den ektimw oti qa to kanei. Se o,ti mas afora to exoyme jekaqarisei. To xqesino paketo koinwnikhs kai oikonomikhs politikhs einai ayto poy ektimoyme oti mporoyme na parasxoyme se sxesh me tis pragmatikes dynatothtes ths oikonomias. Bebaiws, kaqe klados ergazomenwn diekdikei kai bebaiws kaqe klados ergazomenwn dikaioytai thn prostasia toy eisodhmatos toy. Alla se kaqe fash -kai qelw na to jekaqarisw ayto- oi oikonomikes kinhseis poy qa exoyn na kanoyn me tis diekdikhseis koinwnikwn tajewn kai omadwn qa antimetwpizontai panta mesa stis pragmatikes dynatothtes ths oikonomias, me eyaisqhsia, me dialogo, me sebasmo sta problhmata, alla panta mesa stis pragmatikes dynatothtes ths oikonomias.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia ta sxolia poy ekane o k. Pagkalos, to prwi, ston "ANT1", legontas oti ayta ta metra den qa epiferoyn qetika eklogika apotelesmata sto PASOK, enw arketes fores, kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs, kathgorhse ton Prwqypoyrgo, allh mia fora, gia aytarxismo. Skopeyete na dwsete kapoia apanthsh ston k. Pagkalo gia ola osa leei kata kairoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den exw tetoio sxolio.

FILHS: Exw treis erwthseis: H prwth erwthsh, me bash thn arxikh eisagwgikh topoqethsh sas, an qymamai kala -kai eseis fantazomai qa qymaste- h diakhryjh ths 3hs toy Septembrh milaei gia sosialismo kai gia amerikaniko imperialismo. Ayta den ta akoysame shmera sta epeteiaka mhnymata. Akoysame kati peri allaghs. O k. Xrysoxoidhs ebgale mia kainoyrgia diakhryjh, xqes, gia thn epeteio@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai diakhryjh.

FILHS: Yparxei anakoinwsh gia thn epeteio, sthn opoia o Grammateas toy kommatos -opws kai sthn omilia toy- otan egine Grammateas, sthn Kentrikh Epitroph apofeygei kaqe anafora gia ton amerikaniko imperialismo kai to sosialismo. Shmainei kati ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Prepei na prosejete th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Xrysoxoidh, h opoia anaferei@

FILHS: Isonomia, leei. Astika aithmata, dhladh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferetai idiaiterws stis arxes kai tis ajies poy diepoyn panta thn politikh toy PASOK. Einai mia para poly kalh kai swsth dhlwsh. Peran omws aytoy, toso o k. Xrysoxoidhs, oso kai -panw apo ola- o Proedros toy PASOK kai Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths qa exoyn thn eykairia shmera, sthn ekdhlwsh poy qa ginei ston Panellhnio, na apeyqynqoyn pros ton ellhniko lao kai bebaiws sto PASOK. Den qelw na prokatalabw thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai oti pairnoyme dynamh apo tis rizes mas, antloyme didagmata apo to parelqon mas, paramenoyme staqeroi stis arxes kai tis ajies mas. Bebaiws, o politikos logos mas, oi politikes proteraiothtes ths strathgikhs mas prosarmozontai stis anagkes toy ellhnikoy laoy kai th shmerinh pragmatikothta.

FILHS: Ta peri amerikanikoy imperialismoy kai sosialismoy isxyoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa prin apo ligo.

FILHS: Epeidh anaferqhkate sta epiteygmata poy eginan epi kybernhsews PASOK, se sxesh me thn koinwnikh sygklish, xqes yphrje h paroysiash ths ekqeshs toy INE, GSEE- ADEDY apo thn opoia prokyptei oti epi twn hmerwn twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK -einai mia 20etia peripoy, me ena mikro dialeimma- oi ploysioi eginan ploysioteroi kai oi ftwxoi ftwxoteroi. To 20% twn ploysioterwn Ellhnwn exei eisodhma 6,3 fores megalytero apo to 20% twn ftwxoterwn Ellhnwn. Ayto, kata th gnwmh sas, synista thn politikh ths kybernhshs gia th sygklish;

PRWTOPAPAS: Xqes, moirasa edw ena keimeno kai proanaggellw oti thn Paraskeyh h th Deytera qa moirasw kai allo ena -oloklhrwmeno ayth th fora- poy deixnei poso proxwrhse ola ayta ta xronia h koinwnikh sygklish sthn Ellada, se oloys toys tomeis. Sto xqesino keimeno eixa to deikth koinwnikhs prostasias, tis koinwnikes dapanes. Symfwna me to xqesino keimeno, to opoio den amfisbhteitai -einai epishma stoixeia ths Eurostat- o deikths twn koinwnikwn dapanwn sthn Ellada, ws pososto toy AEP, efqase to meso oro ths E.E. kai me ta prosfata metra poy ejaggeilame -ta perissotera, bebaiws, qa efarmostoyn apo 1.1.04 kai eggyoymaste thn pragmatopoihsh toys- qa jeperasoyme ton koinotiko meso oro. Eimaste pia panw apo to meso oro ths E.E. stis koinwnikes dapanes. Symfwna, epishs, me ta stoixeia poy qa dwsoyme, yparxei synexhs beltiwsh toy pragmatikoy eisodhmatos twn Ellhnwn. To gegonos oti me xqesinh anakoinwsh poy yphrje apo dieqneis organismoys -kai apo th Eurostat- eimaste anamesa stis pio prohgmenes xwres apo apoch diaqesimoy eisodhmatos stoys Ellhnes kai to gegonos oti xqes o OOSA anakoinwse pws exoyme sygklinei pente monades ta teleytaia xronia kai hdh exoyme perasei thn Portogalia, badizontas kai pros tis alles prohgmenes xwres ths Eyrwphs, apodeiknyei oti briskomaste se mia diarkh poreia oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs sygklishs, mia poreia h opoia, me th Xarta poy qa kataqesoyme, qa ginei pragmatikothta mexri to 2008.

FILHS: Ta stoixeia ths ekqeshs toy INE, GSEE-ADEDY ta amfisbhteite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Topoqethqhka se stoixeia ths Eurostat, ta epishma stoixeia ths E.E. kai oxi dika mas, epishma stoixeia arxwn, ta opoia nomizw oti kaneis den mporei na amfisbhthsei. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqenas mporei na fwtisei ena problhma. Ta ajiologoyme kai ta ajiopoioyme ola. Alla, as doyme th genikh eikona kai an mesa sth genikh eikona yparxoyn -kai egw prwtos anagnwrizw oti yparxoyn- epimeroys problhmata, na eiste bebaioi oti qa ta antimetwpisoyme.

FILHS: Thn ellhnikh idiomorfia oti h megalh pleiochfia twn porwn, twn xrhmatwn gia koinwnikes dapanes sth xwra mas, jodeyetai sthn plhrwmh twn syntajewn, kati to opoio den isxyei ws kathgoria sthn E.E., to gnwrizete, to ajiologeite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai kako ayto;

FILHS: Den einai kako, alla deixnei thn elleich diktyoy koinwnikhs prostasias.

PRWTOPAPAS: To antiqeto. Sthn Ellada, gia paradeigma, den qa dexomastan pote ayto poy egine kata th diarkeia toy kayswna se kapoies alles xwres. Prepei, epishs, na sas pw oti to gegonos pws exoyme frontisei na ayjhqei para poly h katwterh syntajh toy OGA kai toy IKA ta teleytaia xronia -gi@ ayto jodeyoyme para polla xrhmata- einai ena deigma koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias.

FILHS: H elleich koinwnikwn paroxwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den milhsa gia elleich, milhsa gia xamhles syntajeis. Kai kala kanoyme kai jodeyoyme gia toys xamhlosyntajioyxoys.

FILHS: Kala kanoyme. Gia ta ypoloipa leme.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn anhsyxeite. Ta antimetwpizoyme.

FILHS: Kai mia allh erwthsh: Me bash th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Benizeloy, o opoios eipe oti me parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy h Olympiakh Epitroph, to "Aqhna - 2004", edwse kapoies doyleies se Aystraloys epixeirhmaties. Ti ennooyse akribws o k. Benizelos; To eipe, meta th synanthsh toy me ton Aystralo presbeyth. Gnwrizete h qelete na rwthsete kai na moy apanthsete meta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat@ arxas, opoy ginetai diagwnismos den "dinontai" doyleies. Nomizw, omws, oti eipe "na laboyn meros".

FILHS: Me parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eipe.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sygxwreiste me, alla einai diaforetiko. Apo o,ti qymamai eipe tis lejeis "na laboyn meros". Yphrxe mia seira topoqethsewn apo thn aystralianh pleyra, me th gnwmh poy exoyn oti mporoyn na syneisferoyn shmantika, me thn texnognwsia toys, sta genikotera olympiaka erga. Yphrxan kapoia texnika problhmata, se sxesh me to Dikaio ths E.E.. H opoia parembash afora th dynatothta symmetoxhs kai oxi thn anaqesh. Exei diafora to ena apo to allo. As erqoyn na symmetasxoyn. Ean toys anateqei h oxi to ergo, einai qema poiothtas, timhs kai diagwnismoy.

MIXAHL: Xqes anakoinwsate ayto to megalo oikonomiko paketo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oikonomiko kai koinwniko paketo.

MIXAHL: Nai. To opoio kaneis den perimene na exei ayth thn ektash. Qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Poies eggyhseis dinete ston ellhniko lao oti ayto to paketo qa to thrhsete; Oxi giati den yparxoyn endexomenws ta xrhmata. Alla, h ajiopistia sas fqanei gia na mporesei ayto to paketo na efarmostei; Kathgoreiste gi ayto, oti tazete, dinete, alla genikws h eikona -toylaxiston ayth poy eixe sxhmatistei prin apo ligo kairo- elege oti den exete thn ejwqen kalh martyria gia na sas empisteyqei jana o ellhnikos laos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mexri xqes kapoioi mas elegan analghtoys. Kapoioi alloi mas lene oti dinoyme cixoyla. Alloi lene oti dinoyme tosa polla poy diamorfwnoyme bary klima sthn oikonomia. Anemodoyra! Praktika ola ayta poy ejaggeilame me aisqhma eyqynhs ston ellhniko lao jekaqarizoyme oti qa ginoyn prajh. Ta forologika amesws. Ta metra gia to petrelaio mexri 15 Oktwbrioy. Ola ta ypoloipa -poy einai kai to megalytero paketo- apo thn 1.1.2004. Qelw na jekaqarisw oti ston proypologismo poy qa kataqesoyme gia to 2004, qa perilambanontai probleceis gia ola ayta ta kondylia. Kai ekei qa apodeixqei oti yparxoyn ta xrhmata kai o proypologismos einai mesa stis synqhkes kai toys oroys poy exoyme jekaqarisei kai pros thn E.E. kai pros ton ellhniko lao. H Ellada paei kala. H Ellada exei ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs. H Ellada katafernei kai ejoikonomei poroys gia koinwnikh politikh. Anefere shmera xarakthristika o k. Papantwnioy tis amyntikes dapanes. Alla kai apo alloys tomeis, me thn politikh mas exoyme apotelesmata. Kai ayta ta apotelesmata ta katanemoyme dikaia yper toy ellhnikoy laoy.

TAKHS: Mhpws exete kapoio sxolio gia tis dhlwseis toy Arxiepiskopoy enantion toy ypoyrgoy Aigaioy k. Shfoynakh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dhlwseis h diarroes;

TAKHS: To idio einai. Jerete oti oi diarroes einai anepishmes dhlwseis...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai to idio. En pash periptwsei, den eida dhlwseis.

TAKHS: Gia tis diarroes kapoia dhlwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den kanw sxolia gia diarroes. Ekeino poy se kaqe periptwsh prepei na jekaqaristei einai oti emeis epidiwkoyme pantote kales sxeseis me thn Ekklhsia ths Elladas, me plhrh sebasmo twn diakritwn rolwn.

KOYIN: Mporeite na mas epanabebaiwsete oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn thn anoijh toy 2004;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exete koyrastei, den exete peisqei;

KOYIN: Allo ean exw peisqei egw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me rwthsan xqes merikoi, mhpws ta metra ayta shmainoyn prowres ekloges; Ma -toys apanthsa- ta pio polla apo ayta ta metra qa efarmostoyn thn 1.1.2004 kai o proypologismos poy qa katateqei -kai opws jerete katatiqetai egkairws, ton epomeno mhna- qa anaferei apo poy qa breqoyn ta kondylia. Den einai logiko h opoiadhpote kybernhsh, apo th stigmh poy antapokrinomenh stis apaithseis ths koinwnias, na epiqymei h koinwnia na apolaysei ayth thn kinhsh poy ginetai; Mono ean baloyme stoixeiwdws to myalo mas na leitoyrghsei, katanooyme giati oi ekloges qa ginoyn thn anoijh toy 2004.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Einai oikonomikhs fysews h erwthsh moy. Yphrxe stoxos na meiwqei se baqmo rekor to dhmosio xreos. Yparxei akoma aytos o stoxos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa yparjoyn sxetikes anakoinwseis toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy. Safws proxwroyme kai sth meiwsh toy xreoys. Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti h megalyterh epibarynsh aytwn twn metrwn -se poly megalo pososto, 80-90%- einai gia to 2004. Mono se kapoia shmeia ephreazoyn ton proypologismo toy 2003. Eidikotera to kommati poy afora to foro tajinomhshs, to foro toy petrelaioy, to foro twn agrotikwn mhxanhmatwn. Kai malista mono toys dyo teleytaioys mhnes. Epomenws, nai oi stoxoi toy proypologismoy paramenoyn apolyta staqeroi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mexri prin apo ligo kairo kai gia tessera xronia h kybernhsh yioqetoyse mia taktikh, qa legame, lelogismenwn paroxwn. Htan genika poly sfikth sthn oikonomikh politikh ths, apenanti stoys mh pronomioyxoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exete dikio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pws jafnika kai apo poy antloyntai ta xrhmata ayta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Jexasate, gia paradeigma, to diktyo gia thn katapolemhsh ths ftwxeias kai toy koinwnikoy apokleismoy, to opoio htan ena paketo -an mporw na to onomasw etsi- 60-70 dis draxmwn, epiprosqeta twn ayjhsewn twn syntajewn poy eixan doqei to 2001. Ean qymaste, to 2001, peran twn ayjhsewn stoys misqoys kai tis syntajeis kai peran twn allwn kinhsewn poy eixan ginei gia thn antimetwpish koinwnikwn problhmatwn, yphrje ena epiprosqeto paketo gia th dhmioyrgia toy diktyoy katapolemhshs ths ftwxeias kai toy koinwnikoy apokleismoy, me stoxeymenes parembaseis pros ta strwmata ekeina toy plhqysmoy poy eixan th megalyterh anagkh. Den einai h prwth fora mesa sthn 4etia poy ginetai mia megalh parembash.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mhpws qelete me ayth thn kinhsh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai mia diaxronikh politikh. Ayth h politikh mas exei tria xarakthristika kai qelw na ta antilhfqeite: Exei to xarakthristiko ths diaxronikothtas, to xarakthristiko toy syndyasmoy me thn oikonomikh staqerothta kai to xarakthristiko ths stoxeyshs. Einai to triptyxo poy domei thn politikh ayth. As ta paroyme ena-ena:

Prwton: Einai diaxronikh; Nai, dioti exoyme jekaqarisei kai to exw pei polles fores edw, oti opote exoyme qetika apotelesmata kai qetikh poreia ths oikonomias, prwtes oi eyaisqhtes koinwnikes tajeis kai ta oikonomikws asqenestera koinwnika strwmata, apolambanoyn ayto to qetiko apotelesma. Einai staqerh h sxesh mas me ton ellhniko lao. Exei ginei tetoias megalhs parembashs kai prin apo ena kai prin apo dyo xronia.

Deyteron; Yparxei syndyasmos me thn oikonomikh staqerothta; Bebaiws, dioti den qetoyn se kindyno thn poreia ths xwras. Exoyme jekaqarisei oti ayto einai to paketo twn paroxwn poy qa ginoyn. Ayto einai to koinwniko kai oikonomiko paketo. Den yparxoyn kai alla qemata. Exoyn ypologistei se sxesh me ta zhthmata toy proypologismoy, kai toy 2003 kai toy 2004.

Triton: Exei to xarakthristiko ths stoxeyshs; Bebaiws, dioti ta metra den apeyqynontai pros oloys. Ayto einai mia pragmatikothta, thn opoia prwtos anagnwrizw. Ta metra stoxeyoyn na yperaspisoyn to mikro agroth, to xamhlosyntajioyxo, to xamhlomisqo, to mikromesaio, ton anergo, ton polith poy zei sta xwria, se oreines perioxes, ton anqrwpo poy exei th megalyterh anagkh.

FILHS: Qelw na rwthsw gia to qema twn ekpaideytikwn. Epeidh exei diatypwqei mia misqologikh ajiwsh ek meroys twn kaqhghtwn, twn daskalwn kai twn panepisthmiakwn kai exei diatypwqei, epishs, kai h proeidopoihsh oti qa exoyme ena qermo fqinopwro sto xwro ths paideias. Yparxei kapoia problech ek meroys ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nwris einai. Fantazomai oti ta armodia ypoyrgeia, ta ypoyrgeia Oikonomias kai Paideias, qa proxwrhsoyn se dialogo me toys ekpaideytikoys. Mesa apo ayto to dialogo kai mesa stis pragmatikes dynatothtes ths oikonomias, qa ginei o,ti kalytero mporei na ginei.

FILHS: Dhladh, to qema twn ekpaideytikwn den perilambanetai mexri stigmhs sta osa anakoinwqhkan gia ta misqologia k.lp.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den asxolhqhkame me eidika misqologia.

FILHS: Einai ena anoikto qema gia thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Alla, sas janalew: Me kalh qelhsh, me sebasmo sta problhmata, me dialogo, alla kai mesa stis pragmatikes dynatothtes ths oikonomias.

FILHS: H epikoinwnia metajy twn kyriwn Eyqymioy kai Xristodoylakh einai kalh gia to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ejairetikh.

IWANNOY: Ti apantate sto kyrio epixeirhma ths N.D. poy leei oti h ayjhsh poy dinete, oi anakoinwseis poy kanate xqes, gia tis syntajeis, einai oysiastika ena eyrw thn hmera, opws eipan xarakthristika, enas kafes thn hmera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ths N.D. toy ejwterikoy h ths N.D. toy eswterikoy;

IWANNOY: Ton k. Alogoskoyfh akoysa, den jerw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, o k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe shmera sto STAR, oti einai qetika ta metra gia ekeinoys poy qa paroyn ta xrhmata, alla den yparxoyn poroi. Antiqetws, o k. Mhtsotakhs eipe oti synistoyn bary plhgma sthn oikonomia. Poio apo ta dyo twra na laboyme ypoch mas;

FILHS: Giati einai antikroyomena ayta; Aytos poy qa parei lefta, leei oti einai qetika.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Soyflias eipe oti einai cixoyla. Twra ti einai;

KARGOYDH: Kai ta cixoyla qetika einai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai qetika ta cixoyla, einai adiafora. As sobareytoyn oi kyrioi ths N.D., as apofasisoyn se ti pisteyoyn, as jekaqarisoyn poia einai h grammh toys kai ean ta kataferoyn -poy poly amfiballw- as to syzhthsoyme.

Sas eyxaristw.

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