Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-07-09

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Ioylioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Peran ths dhlwshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy hrqe ws synexeia toy shmerinoy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, sas exei hdh dianemhqei to dieykrinistiko keimeno gyrw apo tis prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kyriws gia to qema toy "poqen esxes" kai ta symplhrwmatika metra diafaneias sto politiko systhma.

O Prwqypoyrgos stis shmerines prwtoboylies gyrw apo thn enisxysh ths diafaneias sto politiko mas systhma, ejhggeile:

Prwton, ton anadromiko elegxo toy "poqen esxes" gia oloys toys boyleytes, apo to 1990 kai meta, wste na yparxei kai h anagkaia sygkrisimothta kai na ginei pragmatika oysiastikh doyleia se sxesh me to "poqen esxes" gia olh ayth thn periodo.

Deyteron, gia toys boyleytes toy PASOK, me apofash toy ws Proedroy toy Kinhmatos kai ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, thn kataqesh ston Proedro ths Boylhs twn dhlwsewn gia tis xrhmatisthriakes synallages -posa topoqethsan kai posa kerdisan, bebaiws- gia thn periodo 1998-2000 kai thn prosklhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai pros ta alla kommata na prajoyn to idio.

Triton, thn epektash -poy qa xreiastei nomo, bebaiws- ths apagoreyshs twn xrhmatisthriakwn synallagwn kai gia toys boyleytes, nomarxes, dhmarxoys kai dioikhtes sta monoproswpa organa twn Organismwn. Kai,

Tetarton, thn enarjh ths diadikasias syzhthshs gia ton eklogiko nomo, proanaggellontas kai th sxetikh protash dialogoy, thn opoia qa kataqesei kai to PASOK. Ejalloy, gia to skopo ayto qa oristei mesa sthn epomenh ebdomada synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

Exoyme, loipon, tis tesseris poly shmantikes prwtoboylies toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Prwtoboylies kaqoristikes gia thn enisxysh ths diafaneias sto politiko mas systhma. Exoyme th dynatothta na syzhtoyme sygkekrimena kai panw sta apotelesmata toys.

Epishs, qelw na pw oti, idiaitera gia to qema toy eklogikoy systhmatos, o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs K. Skandalidhs, kleinontas -kai prin thn telikh topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy- th shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, tonise oti to neo eklogiko systhma qa syndyazei th staqerh kybernhsh me thn ychloterh analogikothta ths chfoy, safws ychloterh toy 70%, to opoio isxyei shmera kai bebaiws th gnhsia antiproswpeytikothta twn politikwn dynamewn. Qa exoyme, loipon -ayth einai h boylhsh mas, pros ayth thn kateyqynsh etoimazomaste- mia protash dialogoy -kai to tonizw ayto- gia to eklogiko systhma, h opoia qa syndyazei thn anagkaiothta, th qelhsh twn politwn gia mia isxyrh diakybernhsh toy topoy, me thn ychloterh analogikothta ths chfoy, poly ychloterh toy 70% poy isxyei shmera. Ayto einai idiaitera shmantiko: O syndyasmos ths politikhs staqerothtas me thn analogikothta ths chfoy.

Bebaiws, symfwna me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, to neo eklogiko systhma qa dieyrynei th bash ths dhmokratias kai ths ajiokratias kai qa symbalei oysiastika sthn ananewsh ths politikhs zwhs, opws kai qa katoxyrwnei th diafaneia kai qa enisxyei apofasistika thn poiothta ths dhmokratias mas. Ayta tonise o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn Kwstas Skandalidhs, kleinontas to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Pote anamenoyme ayth thn protash apo to PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo thn allh ebdomada.

MIXAHL: H protash dialogoy, pote arxizei, pote teleiwnei; Kai an teleiwsei aytos o dialogos, h kybernhsh, exontas parei ayth thn prwtoboylia, einai diateqeimenh na proxwrhsei kai monh ths sthn efarmogh ths, sthn chfish ths, dedomenoy oti ta kommata apo twra lene oti den qa symfwnhsoyn; H N.D. hdh to leei, enw ta idia akoyme kai apo kommata ths Aristeras. Exete na mas peite kati ep@ aytwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw na kanw mia seira parathrhseis. Prwta-prwta kai apeyqynomenos sta kommata ths Aristeras, ta opoia zhtoyn thn enisxysh ths analogikothtas ths chfoy, qeloyme na jekaqarisoyme oti ayth qa ginei. Qa yparxei enisxysh ths analogikothtas ths chfoy poly ychloterh toy 70% poy isxyei shmera. Qelw na to jekaqarisw ws pagia kai staqerh arxh ths kybernhshs, prin ginoyn kai oi eidikes diatypwseis toy eklogikoy nomoy.

Deyteron, se sxesh me ta osa legontai kyriws apo thn pleyra ths synthrhtikhs paratajhs kai xwris na qelw, ayth th stigmh, na anoijw thn antiparaqesh -exw thn ektimhsh, omws, oti qa yparjoyn sygkekrimenes dhlwseis kai shmera, epi ths antiparaqeshs poy qa kanei h N.D.- qa epanelqw.

Shmera, omws, qelw kai me kaqe kalh diaqesh, na shmeiwsw to ejhs: Yparxei nai h oxi h anagkh na allajei to eklogiko systhma; Yparxei nai h oxi h anagkh na diorqwsoyme ta kakws keimena, poy oloi dexomaste, s@ ayto; Yparxei nai h oxi h anagkh na beltiwsoyme kai mesw toy eklogikoy systhmatos, thn poiothta ths dhmokratias mas, thn ajiokratia, thn ananewsh sthn politikh zwh kai th diafaneia; Ean nai, prepei na allajoyme to eklogiko systhma. Ean oxi, tote kakws omilei gi@ ayta ta zhthmata h N.D.. Emeis, leme "nai, yparxei h anagkh na allajei". Kai den eimaste se proeklogikh periodo. H xwra kybernatai kanonika apo thn kybernhsh mas, me bash to Syntagma mas. Eimaste panta mia dynamh metarryqmishs, allaghs kai dhmioyrgias. Den qa yioqethsoyme emeis thn taktikh toy "wrimoy froytoy", thn adraneias poy prowqei h N.D.. Efoson paradexomaste oti to eklogiko systhma prepei na allajei gia to kalo toy topoy, proxwroyme se ayth thn protash dialogoy. An den to kanoyme, to neo eklogiko systhma opote ki an ginei, qa isxyei apo to 2012. Sxedon mia dekaetia apo shmera poy milame! To anexetai kaneis ayto; Symfwnei kaneis me ayth th baqia ypokritikh stash; Emeis ti leme; "Elate na koybentiasoyme". Kai ekei, eimaste diateqeimenoi na syzhthsoyme ta panta, oles tis enstaseis poy mporei na yparxoyn, na syzhthsoyme anoikta mprosta ston ellhniko lao oles tis epimeroys apoceis poy qa diatypwqoyn. Anoikth koybenta gia na exoyme synainesh. Qeloyme th synainesh. Gia na exoyme symfwnies. Qeloyme tis symfwnies. Kai an kapoioi foboyntai, as erqoyn na syzhthsoyn kai to apo pote qa efarmostei aytos o eklogikos nomos, gia na "diaskedasoyn" toys foboys toys. Emeis qeloyme symfwnia kai synainesh sto politiko mas systhma. Den mporoyme na steiloyme stis "ellhnikes kalendes" tis allages. Den mporei na mhn kanoyme tipota, na mhn antapokrinomaste se ayto poy oi polites mas zhtoyn, na allajoyme, na beltiwsoyme ta pragmata kai thn poiothta ths dhmokratias mas.

Ayth, loipon, einai h proqesh mas kai ayto qelw na to katagracw, idiaitera entona, shmera.

MIXAHL: To xronodiagramma, mporeite na mas to peite, peripoy; Ennow, apo thn wra poy qa katateqei h protash kai meta, mexri pote peripoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: As perimenoyme na katateqei. Ektimw oti sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph ths epomenhs Pempths, isws kai se kapoies alles diadikasies gia tis opoies qa parei prwtoboylia to Komma kai tis opoies den mporw na pw egw, qa yparxei h katalhjh se ayth thn protash.

MIXAHL: Ti apantate se osoys lene oti den eiste ajiopistoi kai ta qymhqhkate twra kai to "poqen esxes" kai to eklogiko systhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekeinoi poy ta lene ayta, den qeloyn na ginetai tipota sthn Ellada. Qeloyn na mimoymaste thn politikh toys, thn politikh toy dhqen "wrimoy froytoy", poy oysiastika "sapizei" olo to politiko mas systhma. Ayth h politikh, poy qelei sthn Ellada na mh ginetai tipota, para mono kapoies periodeies aney skopoy kai stoxoy kai kommatikes omilies poy den prosferoyn tipota ston ellhniko lao, einai mia politikh adraneias kai piswgyrismatos gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia kai to ellhniko politiko systhma. Ayth einai mia baqia synthrhtikh antilhch kai makria apo mas. Eipame oti emeis eimaste dynamh allaghs, metarryqmishs kai proodoy. Kai qa kanoyme th doyleia mas. Qa kanoyme ayto poy perimenei o ellhnikos laos apo mas, xwris distagmo. Den qa steiloyme tis allages sto politiko systhma, sto 2012, opws piqanon perimenoyn merikoi.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa erqoyn na syzhthsoyn akomh kai to pote qa efarmostoyn aytes oi allages;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na efarmostoyn se xrono logiko. Oxi, to 2012 bebaia.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ennoeite oti einai endexomenws sthn proqesh toy na desmeytei to PASOK, an symfwnhsei twra h N.D., aytes oi allages, para to gegonos oti qa exei symfwnhsei kai qa tis exei chfisei, na pane gia tis meqepomenes ekloges;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, gia tis epomenes ekloges, an den chfisei h N.D., oytws h allws den isxyei. Katalabainw oti yparxei enas fobos sth N.D. gia mia sygkekrimenh xronikh periodo. Gia na diaskedasw ayto to fobo ths toys legw as erqoyn sth syzhthsh kai as qesoyn to "pote qa symfwnhsoyme" kai to "pote qa isxysei". Qa broyme ton tropo. As symfwnhsoyme kai to xrono apo ton opoio qa isxysei aytos o eklogikos nomos. Fysika oxi to 2012.

ELENOPOYLOS: Epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sto rolo toy PASOK sth diadikasia toy eklogikoy nomoy, exete ypoch sas, ayth th stigmh, na mas dwsete leptomereies gia thn akribh diadikasia, dhladh apeyqynetai sth diakommatikh epitroph toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn@.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa ta syzhthsoyme ayta. To mono poy mporw na sas pw ayth th stigmh einai oti qa exoyme piqanotata synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, thn epomenh Pempth. Qa yparjoyn, omws, kai kapoies diadikasies apo to PASOK, tis opoies den gnwrizw. Yparxei synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy to apogeyma.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh anafereste syxna kai sthn ananewsh ths politikhs zwhs -to eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos- qelw na sas rwthsw an sto plaisio ayths ths ananewshs kai me dedomeno oti o Prwqypoyrgos milhse prosfata sthn Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK, anaferomenos se stelexh ta opoia einai sth Boylh, eite sthn K.E. toy PASOK mexri h panw apo 20 xronia, qa exoyme ananewsh sta chfodeltia toy PASOK kai endexomenws ola ayta ta proswpa, ta opoia exoyn makra qhteia qa einai ektos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh eida ena prwtoselido shmera, jexnane to katastatiko mas, to opoio prepei na diabazete prin kanete ektimhseis. To katastatiko toy PASOK leei oti oi shmerinoi boyleytes einai sta chfodeltia, ektos ean yparxei kapoios apoxrwn logos, ton opoio qa ektimhsei h K.E. Oysiastika perilambanontai pantote oloi. H ananewsh einai gia toys ypochfioys. Ekei nai, mporw na sas pw, ws poliths kai ws politiko stelexos, oti panta epidiwkoyme thn ananewsh sta chfodeltia mas. Den mporei na einai to idio chfodeltio to 2004 me to 2000 h to 1996. An ginei ayto, safws qa synanthsoyme thn antidrash toy kosmoy. Den to exoyme kanei pote.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Aytoi poy einai 20 xronia h kai perissotera qa synexisoyn na einai ypochfioi;

PRWTOPAPAS: To katastatiko mas problepei oti oloi oi boyleytes mas qa einai ypochfioi. Apo ekei kai pera, ean eklegoyn h oxi o logos den anhkei se mas, opws gnwrizete, alla ston ellhniko lao.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Anejarthta apo to xrono ths qhteias poy exoyn sth Boylh h se alla organa@;

PRWTOPAPAS: To leei to katastatiko mas. Giati epimenete; Mh dhmioyrgoyme me fantasies, problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den einai fantasies. O Prwqypoyrgos htan ekeinos poy milhse@

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferetai se genikoterh antilhch, mila gia to politiko systhma. Den omilei gia to katastatiko toy PASOK.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Poia h anagkh, loipon, ths anaforas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei anagkh ananewshs sto politiko mas systhma genikoterh; Den exoyme mia kybernhsh poy oi perissoteroi ypoyrgoi einai tria kai tessera xronia, ayth th stigmh; Den efarmozetai sthn prajh ayth h ananewsh; H ananewsh den shmainei "fyge esy gia na erqw egw". Ananewsh shmainei mia stadiakh diadikasia employtismoy kai allaghs, h opoia ginetai parallhla me thn ejasfalish ths synexeias kai thn paroysia twn anqrwpwn, toys opoioys sebetai, tima kai apodexetai o kosmos.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to katastatiko toy PASOK antikeitai mhpws sth filosofia ayth, sth logikh ths ananewshs toy politikoy systhmatos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Antiqeta. To katastatiko toy PASOK eynoei thn ananewsh kai to exei apodeijei, giati synexws ananewnei ta chfodeltia toy, giati kai sthn K.E. exei tetoies logikes.

KARGOYDH: Apokleiete aytes tis meizones allages, entos toy PASOK, na tis qesete ypoch enos programmatikoy synedrioy sto ameso mellon, to opoio qa epikyrwsei kai tis katastatikes allages mias prohgoymenhs syndiaskechs poy kanate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto PASOK.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh epanalambanontai ta senaria ths politikhs parenqeshs, dhladh oti to PASOK ektima pws exei xasei ``apo xeri'' tis epomenes ekloges kai me tis allages sto eklogiko systhma prosblepei se nees ekloges me aformh thn anadeijh neoy Proedroy Dhmokratias to 2005, hqela na rwthsw an exoyn lhfqei ypoch ayta ta senaria kai an sas apasxoloyn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, emeis den paizoyme me to qesmo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai to exoyme apodeijei diaxronika. Otan yparxoyn dynatothtes na eklegei Proedros Dhmokratias, symballoyme sthn eklogh toy. Kai exoyme symbalei se oles tis periptwseis. Opws qymaste, exoyme chfisei kai eklekta stelexh ths politikhs kai koinwnikhs zwhs, ta opoia den eixan pote sxesh me to diko mas xwro. Ektimoyme oti exoyme dikaiwqei gia tis epiloges mas, kati poy ektima kai o ellhnikos laos. Ara, exoyme symbalei sthn omalh ejelijh kai sthn eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratias, mesa apo th Boylh, otan prokaloyntai kriseis. To gnwrizete kala ayto, to exoyme kanei oles tis epoxes.

Deyteron, an h N.D. exei tetoia anhsyxia , giati den erxetai na koybentiasei apo to pote qa isxysei o neos eklogikos nomos; Qeloyme na allajoyme to eklogiko systhma. Qeloyme na proxwrhsei h politikh zwh ths xwras. Qeloyme na yparxei megalyterh analogikothta, megalyterh dynatothta ananewshs kai diafaneia apo toys boyleytes kai toys ypochfioys boyleytes. As erqei h N.D. na ypobalei thn enstash ths oti ean kati symbei kai den katalhjoyme to 2005, na mhn yparxei gia ekeinh thn periodo qema efarmoghs toy neoy eklogikoy nomoy. As erqei na to syzhthsoyme kai na broyme tis nomikes epiloges, an ayto thn apasxolei. An ayto einai to qema ths na kataqesei thn protash ths sto dialogo kai na einai bebaih oti qa prospaqhsoyme na broyme lysh.

KATSIGIANNHS: Milhsate prin gia to katastatiko toy PASOK, oti to sebeste, alla sthn periptwsh toy k. Laliwth katastrathghqhke.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanete laqos, den to jerete kala.

KATSIGIANNHS: Problepei to katastatiko toy PASOK asymbibasto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eteqh kanena asymbibasto katastatika. H eklogh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy egine eleyqera. Pisteyw oti den eiste kala enhmerwmenos, opws antilambanomai. Diaforetika, qa gnwrizate oti to E.G. eklegetai apo thn K.E..

KATSIGIANNHS: Kai gia na apomakrynqei o Grammateas xreiazetai protash momfhs...

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn kybernhsh th diorizei, me bash to Syntagma mas, o Prwqypoyrgos. Ara, eixe dikaiwma na qesei ypochfiothta gia to E.G. kaqenas kai na eklegei, xwris kanena empodio. Apo ekei kai pera, otan o Prwqypoyrgos proeidopoiei oloys mas oti opoios eklegei sto E.G. den qa ton diorisei ypoyrgo, analambanw kai egw proswpika ws stelexos tis eyqynes moy. Den yparxei kanena katastatiko problhma.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke kai stis syzygoys h toys syzygoys k.lp. Qa yparjei epektash ayths ths ryqmishs kai gia syggeneis, mexri kapoioy baqmoy syggeneias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporei na ginei ayto, dioti yparxoyn kai syggeneis poy den exoyn sxesh metajy toys, piqanon kai na mh synomiloyn h na exoyn teleiws diaforetikh poreia sth zwh toys.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Yparxei, hdh, sto "poqen esxes".

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den yparxei. Sto "poqen esxes", poy kataqetoyme, yparxei h plhrhs perioysiakh katastash toy dhloyntos kai ths syzygoy, opws epishs kai twn anhlikwn teknwn. Aplws, anaferontai, xwris omws na anagrafetai h perioysiakh katastash toys, oi goneis, ta adelfia k.lp. H monh perioysiakh katastash poy dhlwnetai einai ayth poy afora ton dhloynta, ton h th syzygo kai ta anhlika tekna, poy den exoyn aytodynamh nomikh proswpikothta, prokeimenoy na anaptyjoyn th dikh toys epixeirhmatikh h allh drasthriothta aytonomws.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh kai xqes sas akoysame na to lete, alla kai shmera, na anafereste se periodeies aney stoxwn k.lp., einai kati to opoio den problepetai apo to shmerino politiko systhma; Profanws, epikrinete tis periodeies toy Proedroy ths N.D., otan paromoies periodeies pragmatopoioyn kai oi arxhgoi allwn kommatwn. Ti einai ekeino poy sas enoxlei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me enoxlei oti oi periodeies toy k. Karamanlh den exoyn profanh skopo kai stoxo, pera apo to na diatypwnei genikologes apoceis kai na kritikarei ton antipalo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ayto, ti sxesh mporei na exei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw dikaiwma, opws exei kai o k. Karamanlhs, na krinw oti einai politika anoysies aytes oi kinhseis. Qa moy apagoreysete na krinw ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den katalaba pws ayto to qema exei sxesh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Katalabainw oti enoxlei. Ejalloy, h politikh antiparaqesh ginetai gia na enoxlhsei, den ginetai gia na symfwnhsoyme. Alla, prepei kapoia pragmata na legontai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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