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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Maioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YFYPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

THLEMAXO XYTHRH

Geia sas.

Na sas enhmerwsw oti o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy den phge telika me thn apostolh sthn Agia Petroypolh, dioti qa symmetexei sthn Eyrwpaikh Syneleysh gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs, poy pragmatopoieitai sto Parisi, thn Paraskeyh kai to Sabbato. Exei poly megalh shmasia h paroysia toy ekei, ws Proedroy toy Symboylioy.

Opws gnwrizete, h Agia Petroypolh symplhrwnei 300 xronia apo thn idrysh ths kai gi@ ayto to logo prokeitai na ginoyn eortastikes ekdhlwseis kai diafores synanthseis. H Ellada, poy exei thn Proedria ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, exei enan idiaitero rolo stis synanthseis kai tis syzhthseis poy qa ginoyn ekei me th symmetoxh toy k. Shmith.

Epishs, qa hqela na sas pw oti thn Kyriakh to prwi qa anaxwrhsw gia to Ebian, opoy qa ginei h Synodos toy G-8.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Diabazoyme kai akoyme gia nomosxedio "skoypa" sto Asfalistiko kai gia meiwsh prowrwn syntajewn, epeidh h xwra mas einai deyterh stis dapanes gia prowrh syntajiodothsh. Ti ginetai me ayta; Perase ena nomosxedio. Qa exoyme kai allo;

XYTHRHS: Prwton, h nomikh ryqmish poy yparxei twra, paramenei. Den allazei. Deyteron, ta ellhnika stoixeia gyrw apo thn apasxolhsh einai sto meso oro twn eyrwpaikwn stoixeiwn. Kapoia apo ayta einai ychla kai alla einai xamhlotera. Pragmati, h prowrh syntajiodothsh poy yparxei sthn Ellada einai se ychla pososta. Ayto exei thn ejhghsh toy, dioti, opws gnwrizete, edw kai xronia isxye h 15etia gia thn ergazomenh gynaika. Epomenws, ayto paizei ena rolo akoma. Yparxei, pantws, mia prosarmogh sto syntelesth ayto, h opoia ginetai se baqos xronoy, kai prokeitai na fqasoyme sto meso oro kai se ayto to qema. H hlikia, h opoia anaferetai ston yparxonta nomo gia th syntajiodothsh, einai ta 65 eth kai profanws h prosarmogh qa ginetai pros ayth thn hlikia. Pantws, den prokeitai na allajei tipota sth nomoqesia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla eipate oti qa ginei kapoia prosarmogh. Sto 67o etos, apokleietai na fqasei;

XYTHRHS: Apokleietai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ergasia 37 xronwn; Oyte ayto den yparxei;

XYTHRHS: O,ti yparxei sto nomosxedio, ayto kai paramenei. Den prokeitai na ginei kapoia allagh. Sas eipa oti yparxei ws orio hlikias to 65o etos kai h prosarmogh, se baqos xronoy, qa ginei pros ta ekei, dioti yparxei akomh, se orismenoys tomeis, h prowrh syntajiodothsh kai ayto epidra stoys diaforoys syntelestes poy exoyme. Siga-siga, qa afomoiwqei ayto kai o mesos oros qa sympiptei me ton eyrwpaiko.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Shmera, h efhmerida "Eleyqerotypia", ermhneyontas tis xqesines topoqethseis toy k. Prwtopapa, alla kai dikes sas radiofwnikes dhlwseis, katonomazei toys kyrioys Alafoyzo kai Koyrh, qewrwntas oti aytoys ennooyse o Prwqypoyrgos, otan milhse gia epixeirhmatika symferonta poy qeloyn na plhjoyn thn kybernhsh. Kat` arxas, apodexeste ayth thn ermhneia;

XYTHRHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den anefere stis omilies toy th lejh "synwmosia" -kai qelw na to tonisw ayto, giati blepw na erxetai kai na epanerxetai- opws den anefere kai kanena onoma. H kataggelia poy ekane einai oti kapoia symferonta epidiwkoyn, akribws gia thn enisxysh ths qeshs kai toy roloy toys, na plhjoyn thn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh, me eyqynh, yposthrizei kai qa synexisei na to kanei, ton omalo politiko bio kai thn poiothta sthn politikh zwh. Apo ekei kai pera, se mia Dhmokratia einai dikaiwma ths kybernhshs, otan dexetai kritikes, na apanta, na ekqetei kai na paraqetei ta erwthmata ths. Ayto einai apolytws apodekto se mia Dhmokratia kai den blepw to logo giati prepei na enoxloyntai merikoi, gi@ ayto. Otan o k. Roysopoylos apeyqynetai sthn kybernhsh, kathgorwntas thn syxna gia diaplokes kai epanerxetai se ayto, den mporei para h kybernhsh na rwthsei ton k. Roysopoylo an o idios exei apanthsei gia ton eayto toy h gia ton arxhgo toy se kapoies kataggelies, poy ginontai se ena biblio poy ekdoqhke prosfata apo ton k. Kyrtso. Einai fysiko ayto. Opws einai fysiko na dierwtatai h kybernhsh gia th stash poy exei, aytes tis hmeres, h N.D. sth Boylh, opoy syzhteitai ena qema, to opoio anhkei stis odhgies ths E.E., gia thn prostasia toy periballontos, sxetika me ta monopyqmena tanker, ta opoia prepei na exoyn diplo pyqmena. H N.D. koptetai yper diaforwn efoplistwn, oi opoioi exoyn monopyqmena tanker kai den prepei na jodeytoyn gia na ginoyn dipyqmena. Giati paei kontra sthn odhgia ths E.E.; Qelw na pw, dhladh, oti sto dhmosio xwro profanestera mporei h antipoliteysh na kanei kritikh. Aytos einai o rolos ths. Alla kai h kybernhsh mporei na apanta kai na rwta. Den shmainei oti einai monopantes oi opoies kathgories apeyqynontai pros thn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh me ton tropo ths mporei na apanta se aytes tis kathgories, peiqei den peiqei, alla mporei na kanei kai kritikh.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Me sygxwreite, den rwthsa ayto. Rwthsa, an o k. Prwtopapas kai eseis me tis xqesines dhlwseis sas, qelate na apodwsete ayto poy shmera h "Eleyqerotypia" exei katalabei kai exei dhmosieysei. An, dhladh, eseis, otan sxoliasate xqes dhmosieyma me sygkekrimenh dhmoskophsh, anaferosastan ston k. Alafoyzo kai an qewreite h exete kapoia stoixeia poy apodeiknyoyn diaplokh epixeirhmatikwn symferontwn.

XYTHRHS: Den qa sxoliasw ta sxolia ths "Eleyqerotypias". Qa epanalabw, omws, oti yparxei mia nea etairia gia politikes dhmoskophseis, agnwsth mexri twra, poy gia prwth fora emfanizetai kai kanei politikes dhmoskophseis, kontra ston kwdika deontologias poy exei h ellhnikh Enwsh, h SEADE. Kai enw h etairia ayth den anhkei sth SEADE, ta apotelesmata ths elegxomenhs ayths dhmoskophshs paroysiazontai ws prwto kentriko qema mias sobarhs kaqhmerinhs efhmeridas. Den einai fysiko na anarwthqw gi@ ayto, otan akoygetai oti h etairia ayth qa synexisei me to idio kaqestws na kanei dhmoskophseis, syxna-pykna mexri tis ekloges;

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Katalogizete politikh topoqethsh sthn efhmerida h diaplokh symferontwn; Ayto sas rwtw.

XYTHRHS: Mia erwthsh ekana: Pws mporei mia tetoia etairia kai ta apotelesmata ths dhmoskophshs ayths, poy einai elegxomena, na ginontai prwto kai kentriko qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apagoreyetai ayto;

XYTHRHS: Den eipa oti apagoreyetai, apla to epishmainw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhmokratia den exoyme;

XYTHRHS: Bebaiws. Kai eimai anagnwsths ayths ths efhmeridas. Alla, otan einai elegxomenh ayth h prwtoemfanizomenh etairia, anarwtiemai dhmosiws, opws anarwtietai kaqe Ellhnas poliths kai kaqe anagnwsths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sxoliazete thn efhmerida "Kaqhmerinh" kai den sxoliazete thn "Eleyqerotypia".

XYTHRHS: Sxoliazw thn etairia.

TAKHS: Epeidh, omws, anaferqhkate prohgoymenws ston k. Roysopoylo kai th N.D., mhpws protiqeste, gia na kleisete to stoma ths N.D. kai na thn ekqesete sta matia twn politwn, na peite eseis ta onomata twn epixeirhmatiwn poy balloyn enantion sas kai na teleiwnei h istoria.

XYTHRHS: Emeis den qeloyme na kleisoyme to stoma kanenos, poly perissotero ths antipoliteyshs. Qeloyme, omws, otan anoigei ayto to stoma, na jerei ti leei kai na ta leei me eyqynh.

TAKHS: Ta onomata, den prokeitai na ta peite.

XYTHRHS: Xqes, o k. Roysopoylos, milwntas gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia, eipe oti xronia twra h kybernhsh sthrizei to myqo ths isxyrhs oikonomias se plastoys proypologismoys kai paraxaragmenoys deiktes. Ayth einai h eqnikh oikonomia kai h xwra mphke sthn ONE kai exei twra to eyrw; Yparxoyn ekqeseis dieqnwn organismwn poy anaferontai sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai dystyxws o k. Roysopoylos ballei kata ths eqnikhs oikonomias, me ton tropo poy sas anefera. Palaiotera, o idios o k. Karamanlhs thn eixe onomasei "trabesti", an qymosaste. Epishs, o k. Karamanlhs kai o k. Roysopoylos kathgoroyn thn kybernhsh oti dixazei ton ellhniko lao. Qelw na qymisw se oloys poies kybernhseis einai aytes poy symfiliwsan ton ellhniko lao apo ta amarthmata toy parelqontos kai apo thn politikh ths Dejias. Twra, o k. Roysopoylos qa symfiliwsei ton ellhniko lao; Na jeroyme ti leme!

TAKHS: Sxetika me ta onomata;

XYTHRHS: Ekana ektenh anafora sthn arxh kai o nown noeitw.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh polles fores exw akoysei ton Prwqypoyrgo, otan syzhtoyntai qemata diaplokhs, diafqoras kai alla, na leei oti opoios exei stoixeia na ta kataqesei ston eisaggelea, fantazomai oti o Prwqypoyrgos me tis teleytaies toy dhlwseis, otan milaei gia epixeirhmatika symferonta poy yponomeyoyn thn kybernhsh, gnwrizei, ara, exei stoixeia. Protiqetai na kataqesei ayta ta stoixeia ston eisaggelea gia na jekaqarisei, epiteloys, ayto to topio;

XYTHRHS: Milate gia allo qema.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Giati;

XYTHRHS: Dioti milame gia th sthrijh kai thn propaganda poy ginetai enantion ths kybernhshs. Ayto sthliteyoyme. Den milhse kaneis gia paranomia, oti kapoia epixeirhsh paranomhse. Ayto den einai diko mas qema. Ean kapoia epixeirhsh paranomhse, qa elegxqei kai qa epilhfqei h Dikaiosynh. Milame gia ton tropo me ton opoio yposthrizontai diafores qeseis. Mporei na yposthrizontai oles oi qeseis, alla na dinontai kai apanthseis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti ta epixeirhmatika ayta symferonta exoyn stoxo kai skopo na anatrecoyn thn kybernhsh, poy shmainei oti leitoyrgoyn yponomeytika. Kata synepeia, o Prwqypoyrgos gnwrizei kapoies kinhseis, oi opoies endexomenws den kinoyntai sto plaisio ths syntagmatikothta kai toy nomoy, den einai synnomes. Ayta, loipon, ta stoixeia poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos gia na probainei se tetoies kataggelies -den tis kanei o opoiosdhpote aytes tis kataggelies, tis kanei o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras- protiqetai ayta ta stoixeia na ta kataqesei ston eisaggelea;

XYTHRHS: Epanalambanw oti o Prwqypoyrgos den milhse gia kapoia paranomia poy ginetai sthn oikonomikh drash mias etaireias. Milhse gia mia polemikh poy ginetai apenanti sthn kybernhsh, me sygkekrimeno stoxo. Ayto kathggeile, thn polemikh ayth. Kai bebaiws, o Prwqypoyrgos exei to dikaiwma na to leei ayto.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti ayth h polemikh den einai sto plaisio toy dhmokratikoy politeymatos, gia na thn kataggellei o Prwqypoyrgos. Eknomh prepei na einai.

XYTHRHS: To fantazeste. O Prwqypoyrgos den to eipe.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Etsi mas to periegrace.

XYTHRHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei to dikaiwma -epanalambanw- na kataggellei ayth thn polemikh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn stoixeia ep` aytoy toy qematos gia na katateqoyn ston eisaggelea;

XYTHRHS: Ennoeite stoixeia paranomias etairiwn; Ayto einai qema toy SDOE.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den milaw gia diaxeiristika qemata...

XYTHRHS: Epanalambanw oti ayta ta qemata aforoyn to SDOE kai oti akoloyqeitai h synhqhs diadikasia se tetoies periptwseis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den anefera to SDOE, oyte epixeirhmatikes paranomies. Milhsa gia paranomies poy profanws exoyn na kanoyn me to dhmokratiko mas politeyma.

XYTHRHS: Aytes tis ``paranomies'' na tis balete entos eisagwgikwn. Edw milame gia politikh, mhn mperdeyete to qema.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh osa kathggeile o Prwqypoyrgos ginontai sto onoma ths diafaneias kai gia na ta akoysei o ellhnikos laos, epeidh exoyme akoysei kai ton k. Karamanlh, se alles periptwseis, na mila gia diaplekomena kai epixeirhmatika symferonta kai na mhn ta onomazei kai epeidh blepoyme kai apo thn pleyra toy Prwqypoyrgoy na ginetai kati antistoixo, hqela na rwthsw: O ellhnikos laos den qa prepei na jerei sygkekrimena kai apo to ena komma kai apo to allo, poioi einai aytoi oi epixeirhmaties, wste na bgalei kapoio symperasma;

XYTHRHS: Exw anaferqei sto qema ayto kai o nown noeitw. Qelete na synexisw;

IWANNOY: O ellhnikos laos den mporei na jerei kai na parakoloyqei kai na diastayrwnei , opws eseis, ola ta stoixeia.

XYTHRHS: Kanete megalo laqos. O ellhnikos laos kai parakoloyqei kai gnwrizei.

PAPADIOXOS: Kanate logo gia elegxomenh dhmoskophsh, poy dhmosieyse h ``KAQHMERINH''. Hqela na sas rwthsw: Me dedomeno oti h etairia ayth anhkei ston ESOMAR, oti den yphrje antidrash apo alles etairies dhmoskophsewn sthn Ellada. Einai elegxomenh h dhmoskophsh kata th gnwmh sas kai mono; Kai ena deytero erwthma: Eipate oti egine prwto qema. Yparxei diafora, ean einai prwto, deytero h trito qema kata th gnwmh sas; Kai poios prosdiorizei ayto, ean oxi h idia h efhmerida;

XYTHRHS: Kaqe efhmerida exei dikaiwma na ajiologei ta qemata poy qa dhmosieysei kai na epilejei poio qa dhmosieysei ws prwto qema. Opws ki egw exw dikaiwma, otan blepw ena prwto qema, na krinw th sobarothta toy h oxi. Ayto kai ekana. Sthn periptwsh ayths ths etairias, exw na pw oti einai elegxomenh kai sas parapempw ston kwdika deontologias. O kwdikas deontologias poy akoloyqei h SEADE einai gnwstos kai anaferei pws prepei na ginontai oi dhmoskophseis. Ayto den to ekane h prwtoemfanizomenh etaireia dhmoskophsewn.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Eipate nwritera oti o Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas oysiastika gia epixeirhmatika symferonta poy qeloyn na plhjoyn thn kybernhsh, ennoei oti yparxei mia polemikh enantion ths kybernhshs. Mporeite na mas peite poia einai kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs h diafora metajy polemikhs kai kritikhs poy askoyn ta MME, dioti den exw katalabei; Exw thn entypwsh -ayth einai dikh moy ektimhsh kai zhtw th dikh sas- oti edw milame gia kritikh enantion ths kybernhshs. Pws orizei ta oria h kybernhsh, metajy polemikhs kai kritikhs;

XYTHRHS: Epeidh zoyme se ena apolyta dhmokratiko systhma kai kratos, dexomaste opoiadhpote kritikh oso aysthrh kai an einai. Taytoxrona, omws, h kybernhsh exei to dikaiwma na apanta. Kai, epishs, exei to dikaiwma na kataggellei, opws kataggelletai. Ayto einai fysiko. Den mporei na kataggelletai synexws h kybernhsh gia diaplokh kai diaplekomena apo ton k. Karamanlh kai ton k. Roysopoylo. Sas eipa ti ginetai aytes tis teleytaies hmeres, kai estiasa tis parathrhseis moy sth xqesinh syzhthsh sth Boylh.

KWNSTANTHS: Epeidh me tis kataggelies toy gia epixeirhmatika symferonta o Prwqypoyrgos anoije ena qema, alla eseis sth synexeia den lete oyte onomata kai fantazoyn oles aytes oi kathgories...

XYTHRHS: Sas parakalw, mporoyme na jekaqarisoyme kati. Monimws mas kathgoreite oti den anaferoyme onomata. Kalesame ton k. Karamanlh kai ton k. Roysopoylo na apanthsoyn se sygkekrimenes kathgories poy dhmosieyqhkan se ena biblio. Einai sygkekrimenes oi kathgories, alla kamia apanthsh den labame. Kai oxi monon ayto, alla katopin energeiwn ``qafthke'' to sygkekrimeno biblio. Ta onomata poy mas zhtate, einai gnwsta.

IWANNOY: Katopin energeiwn, tinos; Eipate katopin energeiwn, qafthke to biblio.

XYTHRHS: Ths Neas Dhmokratias, profanws.

KWNSTANTHS: Olo ayto to klima poy exei diamorfwqei, pisteyete oti symballei sthn eyryqmh leitoyrgia toy politikoy klimatos kai toy dhmosioy bioy; Qa yioqethqei se ayth thn paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo ayto to klima, poy kata kapoio tropo arxise; Ennow, aytoy toy eidoys h antiparaqesh;

XYTHRHS: Kat` arxas, den arxise kamia proeklogikh periodos. Oi ekloges qa ginoyn sto telos ths 4etias, dhladh, to Maio toy 2004. Deyteron, ayton akribws to logo kataggelloyme. Kaythriazoyme ayto to opoio ginetai, yperaspizomenoi ton omalo politiko bio, poy prepei na yparxei. Den mporei na emfanizontai diproswpoi sthn ellhnikh politikh skhnh me kataggelies kata ths kybernhshs. Otan mas prokaloyn qa lambanoyn thn apanthsh.

KALARITHS: Symfwnei h kybernhsh me thn ektimhsh toy k. Pronti, oti to prooimio toy Eyrwpaikoy Syntagmatos poy paroysiase o k. Ziskar nte Esten, einai apogohteytiko;

XYTHRHS: H kybernhsh den krinei th dhlwsh toy k. Pronti. Ayth th stigmh h Ellada askei thn Proedria ths E.E. To kentriko qema poy qa syzhthqei kata th Synodo Koryfhs sth Qessalonikh, einai ta apotelesmata ths Syneleyshs gia to Mellon ths Eyrwphs, poy proetoimazei protash gia to prwto Syntagma ths Eyrwphs. Me tis episkeceis poy kanei o Prwqypoyrgos stis eyrwpaikes prwteyoyses enhmerwnetai gia tis qeseis poy exoyn oi kybernhseis twn xwrwn-melwn sta qemata ayta. Qeloyme h paradosh twn porismatwn ths Syneleyshs sth Synodo Koryfhs, na apotelesei thn aparxh ths diadikasias poy epetai. Sygkekrimena, peripoy ton Oktwbrh, arxizei h Diakybernhtikh, h opoia, basismenh sta porismata ths Syneleyshs, qa apofasisei, mexri ton Ioynio, prin apo tis Eyrwekloges. Ekei anamenetai na breqei h koinh synistamenh olwn twn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn-melwn, prokeimenoy na chfistei to neo Syntagma ths Eyrwphs, h kainoyrgia arxitektonikh, h nea domh ths Eyrwphs.

PITTARAS: Prin apo ligo, h Eisaggelia me porisma ths dikaiwnei ton ypoyrgo Typoy gia ta dhmosieymata ths ``AYRIANHS'', se sxesh me ta spitia. Exete kapoio sxolio;

XYTHRHS: Xairomai poy dikaiwnetai o ypoyrgos Typoy.

PITTARAS: Sto idio porisma h Eisaggelia dhlwnei adynamia na synexisei thn ereyna gia thn ypoqesh toy k. Neonakh kai to pws ebgale ayta ta xrhmata, opws isxyrizotan h efhmerida, giati opws anaferei sto porisma ths, den exei ginei kamia mhnysh apo thn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras.

XYTHRHS: Den mporw na to krinw ayto. Na to doyme. Den katalabainw apo ayta poy lete.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Xqes, plhroforhqhkame gia ena entypo odhgo toy "AQHNA-2004", ston opoio ta Skopia anaferontai ws Makedonia. Einai epishmos odhgos ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs. Kat` arxas, qa hqela to sxolio sas. Kai akoma, na moy peite, ean exei allajei kati apo to Symboylio twn Politikwn Arxhgwn, sxetika me to qema twn Skopiwn kai thn onomasia;

XYTHRHS: Oxi, den exei allajei tipota. Exei, hdh, apanthsei h Organwtikh Epitroph toy "AQHNA-2004" ektenws sto qema. Entopise apo poy prohlqe to laqos, htan apo jenh etairia, h opoia -sth synexeia- zhthse sygnwmh apo thn Epitroph. To laqos ayto, opws jerete, epanorqwqhke. Den yfistatai zhthma. H kataggelia, thn opoia ekane o k. Roysopoylos, htan yperbolikh, afoy den symboyleythke, ej arxhs, opws qa eprepe, thn Organwtikh Epitroph toy "AQHNA-2004".

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den rwthsa ayto. Prokeitai peri gkafas, kyrie Ypoyrge;

XYTHRHS: Nomizw oti prokeitai peri gkafas ths jenhs etairias.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Oxi, peri skopimothtas;

XYTHRHS: Oxi, den to pisteyw.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kai den exei allajei tipota sthn apofash;

XYTHRHS: Asfalws, den exei allajei tipota.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sthn jenh etairia, poios edwse ta stoixeia gia na bgalei to entypo;

XYTHRHS: H jenh etairia den ejedwse to entypo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios to ebgale;

XYTHRHS: H etairia poy anaferotan sth FYROM, kai anaferotan me ayto to onoma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, opoia jenh etairia analambanei kati, den elegxetai kaqoloy;

XYTHRHS: Symbainei kai ayto. Diorqwqhke. Yparxei apo xqes sxetikh anakoinwsh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs. Sas parapempw na th diabasete.

Sas eyxaristw.

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