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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Aprilioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Kat` arxas, qa hqela na anaferqw sto polynekro dystyxhma poy egine xqes. Shmera, einai mia hmera qlichs gia thn Ellada, th neolaia mas kai thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Polla nea paidia, qymata enos tragikoy dystyxhmatos, exasan xqes th zwh toys. Pera apo thn ekfrash ths odynhs olwn mas, h kybernhsh, meta apo entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa probei se oles tis anagkaies kinhseis gia th diereynhsh kai paroysiash ston ellhniko lao olwn twn aitiwn poy syndeontai me ayto to tragiko symban. O k. Shmiths parakoloyqei apo poly konta oles tis sxetikes diadikasies. Exei zhthsei plhrh enhmerwsh apo oloys toys armodioys ypoyrgoys kai exei dwsei aysthres entoles sthn kateyqynsh ths plhroys dialeykanshs ths ypoqeshs, wste na enhmerwqei o ellhnikos laos gia to ti synebh. Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero, giati ayth th stigmh ta logia einai poly dyskola.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

Shmera, akyrwqhke h synanthsh me toys Proedroys twn TEI, h opoia qa pragmatopoihqei se allh hmeromhnia. Etsi ki alliws, h hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias einai sth Beroia gia na parastei sthn khdeia twn qymatwn toy dystyxhmatos. Epishs, sthn khdeia qa parastoyn kai alloi ypoyrgoi, opws o k. Xrysoxoidhs poy brisketai hdh ekei, o k. Pasxalidhs kai alloi.

Thn Trith, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia thn olympiakh proetoimasia. Stis 19.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia, sto plaisio ths Synodoy, me ton Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs Romano Pronti. Stis 20.00, qa exei synergasia me ton Proedro ths Syneleyshs gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs Baleri Ziskar nt@ Esten. Stis 21.00, qa exei synanthsh kai deipno me ton ypato ekproswpo gia qemata Koinhs Ejwterikhs Politikhs kai Politikhs Asfaleias Jabie Solana. Oles oi synanthseis qa ginoyn sto Megaro Majimoy.

Thn Tetarth, qa pragmatopoihqei h Synodos Koryfhs, symfwna me to programma. Apo tis 8.30 to prwi, qa yparxei ypodoxh twn jenwn hgetwn. Sth synexeia, qa ginei h prwth syzhthsh toy atypoy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa pragmatopoihqei synenteyjh Typoy. Argotera, sth Stoa toy Attaloy, qa ginoyn oi diadikasies ths ypografhs ths Prajhs Prosxwrhshs kai akoloyqws, peripoy stis 18.30, qa doqei nea synenteyjh Typoy.

Thn Pempth, synerxetai h Eyrwpaikh Diaskech me th symmetoxh olwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E., oxi mono twn 28, alla kai twn ypoloipwn xwrwn ths Eyrwphs, oi opoies synoreyoyn pleon me thn E.E., metajy twn opoiwn kai th Rwsikh Omospondia. Qa akoloyqhsei synenteyjh Typoy. Stis 19.00, o k. Shmiths qa exei synanthsh, sto Megaro Majimoy, me to G.G. toy OHE Kofi Anan.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 11 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton k. Berelh. To apogeyma, qa anaxwrhsei gia th Leykwsia. H Kypros einai h prwth xwra poy episkeptetai o Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio toy legomenoy "gyroy ths Proedrias", poy qa ginei se oles tis prwteyoyses twn 25 pleon xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. Deka xwres den qa einai oysiastika melh, alla qa metexoyn se oles tis diadikasies.

Th M. Deytera (21/4), stis 10.30 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Epikoinwniako Epiteleio ths kybernhshs. To apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei gia tis epomenes prwteyoyses, poy qa einai to Elsinki, h Stokxolmh kai h Kopegxagh. Qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna th M. Tetarth (23/4), to brady. Den qa yparxei dhmosiografikh apostolh, giati aytes oi synanthseis qa einai monohmeres kai ginontai gia thn proetoimasia twn newn kinhsewn ths Proedrias kai eidikotera ths Synodoy Koryfhs sth Qessalonikh, opoy ekei qa kriqei an eimaste se qesh na apofasisoyme ta epomena bhmata gia to Syntagma ths Eyrwphs.

Prepei na sas pw oti, olo to Maio kai ton Ioynio, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei idiaitera bebarhmenes ypoxrewseis apo to "gyro twn prwteyoyswn". Epishs, qa exei kai alles ypoxrewseis, opws h Synodos Koryfhs sthn Petroypolh, to G-8 poy qa ginei sto Ebian ths Gallias kai h synanthsh me ton k. Mpoys, meta th Synodo Koryfhs toy Ioynioy, stis HPA.

Gia thn enhmerwsh sas, qa sas dwsw kai thn epistolh poy apesteile o Prwqypoyrgos stoys omologoys toy gia th Synodo.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: To tragiko dystyxhma sta Temph, dhmioyrgei mia seira erwthmata, ta opoia dystyxws den apanthqhkan oyte meta kai to prohgoymeno tragiko dystyxhma ston Aliakmona. Poies eggyhseis dinete ston ellhniko lao oti ta erwthmata ayta poy proekycan kai emfanisthkan prwth fora pro dimhnoy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Poia erwthmata;

MIXAHL: Apo to pws kykloforoyn oi ntalikes, pws ginontai ta diktya metaforwn, poso organwmenes einai oi eqnikoi odoi, pws ginontai kai me ti metra asfaleias oles aytes oi metakinhseis twn maqhtwn. Ennow, ola ayta poy prokyptoyn ws erwthmatika kai ypoxreoyntai pia oi armodies yphresies na ejetasoyn meta apo ena dystyxhma. Prospaqw na bgalw mia genikh antilhch ths kybernhshs. Mporeite, loipon, na moy peite poso proxwrhsan ta pragmata apo ton Aliakmona mexri ta Temph;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti to dystyxhma ston Aliakmona ofeilotan se anqrwpino laqos. Yparxei kaneis poy to amfisbhtei ayto;

MIXAHL: Ola ginontai apo anqrwpino laqos...

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na paroyme ta pragmata ena-ena kai na ta poyme me to onoma toys. To dystyxhma ston Aliakmona exei diapistwqei oti ofeiletai kaqara se anqrwpino laqos.

MIXAHL: Edw ti htan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den biazomai na prokaqorisw ti synebh se ayto to atyxhma, oyte epixeiroyme na metaqesoyme eyqynes se kanenan. Eipa oti qa ginei plhrhs kai endelexhs elegxos gia ola ta aitia toy dystyxhmatos kai qa enhmerwqei o ellhnikos laos. Apo ekei kai pera, akoygontai mia seira qemata. As jekinhsoyme apo thn eqnikh odo, dioti akoysa na legontai kai na grafontai diafora. Ayth th stigmh, exei oloklhrwqei to 80% toy PAQE, me ena poly kalo dromo, poy plhroi oles tis eyrwpaikes prodiagrafes. Bebaiws, yparxoyn tria shmeia poy den exoyn oloklhrwqei.

To ena einai h parakamch Kamenwn Boyrlwn-Agioy Kwnstantinoy. To deytero einai o Maliakos kai to trito ergo einai ta Temph.

Sthn periptwsh ths parakamchs Kamenwn Boyrlwn-Agioy Kwnstantinoy, ta erga proxwroyn poly grhgora. Sthn perioxh twn Tempwn yparxoyn megales dyskolies, logw ths gewgrafikhs diamorfwshs ths perioxhs. Gia na antimetwpistei to qema ths diaplatynshs xreiazetai kataskeyh shraggas. Den yparxei allos tropos. H dhmoprathsh toy ergoy -giati prepei na ginei me symbash paraxwrhshs- exei proxwrhsei. Exei ginei mia proepilogh kai anamenetai na anateqei, na exoyn ypografei oi symbaseis kai na jekinhsei, stis arxes toy 2004. Einai poly dyskolo ergo, giati gnwrizete ta megala problhmata poy yparxoyn apo th gewgrafikh diamorfwsh ths perioxhs. Apo thn allh, sto dromo poy shmera leitoyrgei, me ta problhmata toy -yparxei mono mia lwrida kykloforias gia kaqe kateyqynsh- exoyn katablhqei megales prospaqeies, me tis dyskolies poy yparxoyn, wste na einai ikanopoihtikos. Dhladh, yparxei monopleyros fwtismos, o opoios htan xqes se plhrh leitoyrgia, kaqoti prosfata egine h synthrhsh toy diktyoy hlektrofwtismoy. Ejalloy, to dystyxhma egine se eyqygrammo tmhma toy dromoy, symfwna me thn ekqesh toy YPEXWDE (Tempwn). To asfaltiko odostrwma htan antiolisqhro, typoy 2 kai eixe episkeyastei me oloswmo taphta, prin apo 16 mhnes. H antiolisqhrothta toy asfaltikoy, sth qesh toy dystyxhmatos, einai aristh kai ta emplekomena oxhmata paremeinan sto odostrwma kai meta to atyxhma. Ayto anaferei, se shmerinh ekqesh toy, o Proistamenos toy Tmhmatos Kentrikhs Makedonias, toy YPEXWDE, poy exei thn eyqynh gia th synthrhsh twn aytokinhtodromwn.

Qelw na qymisw oti o k. Berelhs eipe shmera oti exei steilei peripoy 250 ypoqeseis, me parabiaseis kanonismwn apo tetoioy eidoys aytokinhta dhladh ntalikes, ston eisaggelea. Epishs, exei jekaqarisei oti gia na enisxyqoyn oi elegxoi exoyn idryqei mikta klimakia poy gia th leitoyrgia toys einai ypeyqynes oi Nomarxies kai apoteloyntai apo thn Astynomia, toys ypallhloys toy Mhxanologikoy Grafeioy ths Nomarxias kai toys ypallhloys toy SDOE, poy exoyn thn ypoxrewsh na kanoyn toys elegxoys. Otan milame gia elegxoys, ennooyme kai ton tropo poy einai stoibagmeno to fortio. Yparxei eidiko arqro gia ton tropo stoibajhs toy fortioy sthn karotsa toy forthgoy kai mporoyn oi arxes na to stamathsoyn kai na to anagkasoyn na meinei epitopoy, mexri na prosarmostei se ayta poy anaferei to arqro.

Epishs, to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs exei epejergastei ena eidiko programma, to "Kaq@ odon", to opoio exei symbalei shmantika sth beltiwsh twn odikwn atyxhmatwn. Dhladh, h Politeia exei parei metra kai exei kanei parembaseis. Exei ftiajei plaisio elegxwn kai kanonismwn kai prospaqei, me ola ta mesa poy exei sth diaqesh ths, na epibalei thn efarmogh aytoy toy plaisioy. Exei ginei shmantikh doyleia ston tomea ayto, alla panta prepei na beltiwnomaste. Efoson yparxoyn dystyxhmata, prepei ta metra ayta na enisxyontai. As mhn phgainoyme, omws, sto allo akro, opws orismenoi epixeirhsan na kanoyn shmera. To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na perimenoyme gia ligo. Kaqenas exei tis apoceis toy. Exoyme eyqynh apenanti stis oikogeneies twn qymatwn kai se olo ton ellhniko lao. Gi@ ayto prepei na eimaste safeis kai diejodikoi sto qema ths diereynhshs kai apokalychs twn aitiwn toy dystyxhmatos.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Eipate oti h Politeia exei labei metra. Apo to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn h apo ta KTEO, dioti eipate oti 250 ypoqeseis apo ta KTEO exoyn paei ston eisaggelea, posa forthga apo ayta poy kykloforoyn h apo ayta poy exoyn bgei adeies, exoyn aposyrqei ws akatallhla; Exete tetoia stoixeia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den exw stoixeia shmera, oyte mporw na exw analytika stoixeia. Omws, toso oi armodioi toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn, oso kai oi ajiwmatikoi ths Astynomias, alla kai melh ths hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs htan shmera se ola ta MME kai didoyn synexws peraiterw stoixeia gia to ergo poy egine ston tomea ayto. Proswpika akoysa ton k. Berelh, ton k. Malesio, exw akoysei kai polloys ajiwmatikoys ths Astynomias kai ths Troxaias, kaqws kai ths Pyrosbestikhs. Den yparxei kati na krycoyme. Ginetai plhrhs enhmerwsh kai dinontai apo toys armodioys ola ta stoixeia. Egw prospaqhsa na syllejw kapoia kat` arxhn. Ayrio qa exoyme perissotera.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate oti kai h Troxaia kai to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn exoyn parei metra, kai oi nomarxies kai oi epitropes poy exoyn systaqei, qelw na sas qymisw oti ta dyo megalytera polynekra dystyxhmata me lewforeia kai ntalikes eginan apo tote poy efarmozontai ayta ta metra, to "Kaq` odon" kai ena allo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti o parallhlismos einai kapws ayqairetos. Makari, na efarmostoyn ayta ta programmata plhrws kai sthn teleytaia toys leptomereia. As mhn yponooyme -den fantazomai oti yponohsate ayto, bebaiws- oti ta programmata einai lanqasmena. Ta programmata einai swsta kai ekei poy prepei na dwsoyme olo to baros einai h plhrhs efarmogh toys, me oles tis leptomereies. Einai eyrwpaikes oi prodiagrafes twn programmatwn. Etsi ginetai se olh thn Eyrwph.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Apo th syzhthsh poy exw akoysei kai apo toys ypeyqynoys, apo ola ayta poy exoyn ginei, oi odhgoi twn forthgwn oysiastika epirriptoyn eyqynes stoys idiokthtes, epeidh toys piezoyn na kykloforoyn me ola ayta ta sapia forthga, xwris lastixa. Oi idiokthtes parapempoyn stis nomarxies kai lene oti den efarmozontai aytes oi miktes epitropes gia toys elegxoys. H nomarxia leei oti den yparxoyn dromoi kai den einai ayth ypeyqynh. H Troxaia leei emeis dienergoyme elegxoys, alla ftaine ta KTEO poy einai diefqarmena. To ypoyrgeio leei oti ftaiei h nomarxia. Einai eikona ayth, pisteyete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti h eikona einai etsi, oyte egw edwsa edw tetoia eikona. Eipa oti, ean diapistwqei oti yparxoyn eyqynes poy aforoyn emas, na eiste bebaios, oti an ayto apodeixqei apo thn ereyna poy qa ginei -ayth einai h stash eyqynhs apenanti ston ellhniko lao- den exoyme na krycoyme tipota apo kanenan, alla den mporoyme na dexqoyme kai tis yperboles poy mporei na akoystoyn. Den mporei na leme gia paradeigma oti den exoyme dromoys, otan symfwna me ta stoixeia poy exw to 80% toy aytokinhtodromoy Patras - Aqhnas - Qessalonikhs - Eyzwnwn exei oloklhrwqei, exei proxwrhsei kai proxwrei kala. Den mporoyme na phgainoyme apo to ena akro sto allo. Kai den shmainei oti kai se tetoioys dromoys den ginontai pote dystyxhmata. Meiwnetai sobara h piqanothta dystyxhmatos. Bebaiws, einai poly pio asfaleis. Alla, ean kapoios perasei sto antiqeto reyma, einai allh syzhthsh. Mpara den mporoyse na mpei sthn perioxh twn Tempwn. Rwtoyse xqes kapoios, dikaiologhmena o anqrwpos, giati den gnwrize, giati den mphke mpara sta Temph. Ma, den mporei na mpei mpara sta Temph. Gia na mpei mpara sta Temph prepei na yparxei mia ektash peripoy 18 metrwn. Exw edw ena enhmerwtiko shmeiwma twn yphresiwn toy YPEXWDE, to opoio leei oti gia tis diatomes me diaxwrismenes tis epifaneies kykloforias apaitoyntai dyo toylaxiston lwrides ana kateyqynsh, me elaxisto platos toy odostrwmatos peripoy 17,8 metrwn. Kai oti h problech kentrikoy sthqaioy, xwris ayto to platos, egkymonei terastioys kindynoys kai qa odhghqoyme -lene kaqara oi yphresies toy YPEXWDE- se pantelws antiqeta apotelesmata. Kai katalhgoyn oti sto tmhma ths eqnikhs odoy para ta Temph, oxi mono den yfistatai to apaitoymeno platos gia topoqethsh kentrikoy sthqaioy, alla kai h morfologia kai idiaitera h gewlogia ths perioxhs den epitrepei thn estw proswrinh diaplatynsh, gi` ayto kai oi ekponoymenes meletes omiloyn gia nea xarajh me shragges k.lp. Blepete, loipon, oti kanoyme doyleia. Dromoi yparxoyn. Den einai eykolh h katastash sta Temph, oyte mpara mporoysame na topoqethsoyme. To odostrwma einai mia xara. Apo ekei kai pera, gia na kataskeyastei h shragga einai mia megalh ypoqesh, idiaitera otan prokeitai na ginei me symbash paraxwrhshs. Katalabainete oti antimetwpizontai aytes oi dyskolies. O k. Berelhs exei kanei ayta ta mikta klimakia, ta opoia anelaban oi nomarxies. Fantazomai oti mia seira nomarxiwn kanoyn kala th doyleia toys. Kapoies mporei na ysteroyn. Den to arnoymai ayto. Kai ayto mporei na antimetwpistei, wste na beltiwqei peraiterw h katastash. Den prospaqoyme na metaqesoyme eyqynes. Einai ena ergo poy prepei na analabei h nomarxia. Opws, epishs, o k. Malesios milhse, shmera, kat` epanalhch, alla kai oi ajiwmatikoi ths Astynomias, gia thn olh eikona toy dystyxhmatos kai gia to programma toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, to opoio apo oloys exei xarakthristei ws idiaitera shmantiko. Opws gnwrizete, kai xqes h antapokrish htan poly kalh. Kapoios moy eipe oti den eixan ola ta asqenofora toy EKAB giatro. Ma, 30 asqenofora eftasan amesws. Den yparxoyn 30 asqenofora poy na briskontai sthn perioxh ths Larisas se etoimothta. Synhqws xreiazetai enas poly mikroteros ariqmos gia na kalycei tis anagkes kaqe hmeras. Molis yphrje ektakto peristatiko, efqasan amesws 30. Se kapoio apo ayta, piqanws, den breqhke o giatros ekeinh thn wra. Xtyphse synagermos. Na doyme thn prospaqeia poy egine. Dexomaste kritikh, otan prepei. Na dextoyme kai kritikh, alla na doyme kai thn prospaqeia poy ginetai.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Kaneis den amfiballei gia thn prospaqeia poy egine, alla qelw na sas pw oti otan xanontai 20-22 maqhtes@

PRWTOPAPAS: To katalabainw.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Mhn koitame alla qemata. Edw yparxoyn sygkekrimena pragmata poy kaneis den qelei na ta dei. Dhladh, lete oti h kybernhsh qa dialeykanei thn ypoqesh gia na enhmerwqei o ellhnikos laos. To ypoyrgeio Metaforwn exei diaqesh na anakoinwsei metra, ti qa ginei me ayta ta forthga poy kykloforoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh exei efarmosei plhrws ta metra poy exei parei kai an xreiastei kai prokycei apo thn ereyna oti prepei na kanoyme kati prosqeto, qa to doyme. Mas endiaferei, panw ap` ola, h prostasia toy polith. Den mporoyme kaqe ligo kai ligaki na qrhnoyme anqrwpines zwes. Exoyme kanei doyleia kai megalh prospaqeia kai qa th symplhrwsoyme. Kai an xreiastei, na syzhthsoyme ti allo mporei na ginei, eimaste sth diaqesh opoioy exei aytes tis protaseis.

MPOTWNHS: Skeftetai h kybernhsh na epekteinei to metro ayto poy isxyei giortes, kalokairi, Sabbatokyriaka, me dedomeno oti sta dyo ayta polynekra dystyxhmata eixame symmetoxh me ton enan h ton allo tropo megalwn forthgwn (ntalikes) kai to Sabbatokyriako yparxei mia ayjhmenh kykloforia stis eqnikes odoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa elega, kat` arxas, na mhn antimetwpizoyme me biastikes apofaseis ayta ta megala qemata. As mh leitoyrghsoyme katw apo to kratos ths dikaiologhmenhs odynhs olwn mas. Aytes oi apofaseis exoyn polles ptyxes. Bebaiws, oi ptyxes aytes prepei synexws na ejetazontai. Kaneis den to arneitai. H zwh einai o kalyteros symboylos, alla as leitoyrghsoyme katw apo pio analytikes katastaseis, me megalyterh ereyna pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Mhn paroyme biastikes apofaseis.

BASILOPOYLOS: Milhsate gia ta mikta klimakia. Mexri twra den yparxei enhmerwsh oti exoyn parajei ergo kai eidika apo to nomo ths Larisas@

PRWTOPAPAS: Syllegontai stoixeia ayth th stigmh@

BASILOPOYLOS: Milate kai gia metra. Skefthke h skeftetai kanenas synadelfos sas sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs na pei se aytoys toys kyrioys poy sthnoyn rantar gia tameiakoys logoys na kanoyn kalytera th doyleia toys kai na efarmozoyn to plaisio poy einai hdh aysthro gia tis metafores kai gia toys epaggelmaties odhgoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den sthnoyme rantar, gia tameiakoys logoys. Ta rantar sthnontai gia na prostateyqei o poliths. Kapoios blepei thn proeidopoihsh oti yparxei rantar kai prokeimenoy na mhn ton stamathsei h Troxaia, meiwnei thn taxythta toy kai prostateyetai kai o idios.

KANELOPOYLOS: Paragontes ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs toy Nomoy Larishs, apo o,ti akoyme apo to prwi, exoyn kataggeilei oti to ergo ayto eixe programmatistei, eixe anaggelqei kai telika kaqysterhse. Giati;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo to 1994 ews to telos toy 2000, symfwna me ta stoixeia mas exoyn kataskeyastei kai doqei se xrhsh 424 xlm toy PAQE. Apo kei kai pera exoyn oloklhrwqei kai exoyn doqei sthn kykloforia kai polla alla tmhmata. Anaferw gia paradeigma thn eyreia parakamch ths Patras. Tmhmata sthn perioxh Racanhs-Platamwna, opws kai alla tmhmata. Einai erga 62 xlm, ta opoia oloklhrwqhkan kai exoyn paradoqei hdh sthn kykloforia.

Bebaiws, eipa jana, oti yparxoyn tria tmhmata poy paroysiasan problhmata. Dioti kata ta alla, ta ypoloipa erga gia to kleisimo oloy toy aytokinhtodromoy, ton plhrh eksygxronismo toy me tis teleioteres prodiagrafes, briskontai se ejelijh kai stadiaka paradidontai.

Milhsa gia treis perioxes stis opoies antimetwpisame problhmata. H mia perioxh htan sthn parakamch Ag. Kwnstantinoy-Kamenwn Boyrlwn. H deyterh htan sthn perioxh toy Malliakoy kai to trito einai to en logw tmhma sthn perioxh twn Tempwn. Opws eidate kai apo thn ekqesh twn eidikwn toy YPEXWDE apokleietai sthn perioxh twn Tempwn na ginei diaplatynsh. Prepei na ginei shragga. Den einai aplh ypoqesh. Prepei na leme ta pragmata me to onoma toys. Ayto prepei na ginei me aytoxrhmatodothsh. Den ftanoyn ta xrhmata gia ta panta. Mporei ayth th stigmh na allazei h eikona ths xwras me ta terastia erga poy briskontai se ejelijh, alla kapoia kommatia qa prepei na ginoyn me symbaseis paraxwrhshs, prokeimenoy na symplhrwqoyn ta aparaithta xrhmata. Ayth einai mia dyskolh ypoqesh. Polles fores zhtoyntai perissotera xrhmata kai den eimaste diateqeimenoi na yperboyme kapoia logika kosth. Kai oi alloi apo thn pleyra toys exoyn dyskolies dioti prepei na eggyhqoyn th dynatothta na oloklhrwsoyn swsta to ergo. Prepei na melethsoyme tis symbaseis, na yparxei diafaneia, den einai eykolh h ypoqesh ths anaqeshs ergwn. Se polla shmeia toy PAQE yphrjan kapoies kaqysterhseis oi opoies ofeilontan se problhmata ta opoia dhmioyrghqhkan me bash kapoia qemata poy hgeire h arxaiologikh yphresia, piqanws dikaiologhmena. Htan ektos ths dynatothtas mas na lysoyme kapoia qemata, afoy apaithqhke epipleon xronos prokeimenoy na ginoyn kapoies ereynes gia na diasfalistoyn arxaiologikoi xwroi. Se tetoies periptwseis yphrje kaqysterhsh ths ekteleshs twn ergwn. Ayta symbainoyn. Sthn Ellada, jerete, ta pragmata den einai opws se alles xwres. Edw yparxei kratos dikaioy kai idiaiteros sebasmos sthn politistikh mas klhronomia. Etsi, den mporeis na epibaleis ayto poy qeleis se mia apallotriwsh. Mesolaboyn prosfyges sto Symboylio Epikrateias, den einai apla ta pragmata. Den yparxoyn pantoy Symboylia Epikrateias. Pairnei to kratos mia apofash kai efarmozetai. Ayto einai yperbash, den to lew gia kako. Mporei na prosfeygei o poliths, mporoyn na diamartyrontai oi oikologikes organwseis, mporoyn na ginontai akyrwseis, epanaxarajeis. Olh h Ellada einai enas arxaiologikos xwros. Parembainei h arxaiologikh yphresia kai dikaiologhmena, to janatonizw. Ayto poy qelw na epishmanw einai oti to 2004 qa exei anateqei kai h shragga twn Tempwn. Doyleyoyme entatika.

KANELOPOYLOS: Gia to sygkekrimeno ergo, elexqh oti eixe proanaggelqei, kai malista eixe programmatistei me to B@ KPS kai oti yphrje proeklogikh ejaggelia, me thn yposxesh oti ayto to ergo qa proxwrhsei me bash tis shragges, opws eipate. Giati yparxei loipon ayth h kaqysterhsh; giati den proxwrhse;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixe anaggelqei oti to ergo qa jekinhsei entos ths qhteias ayths ths kybernhshs. To ergo exei hdh jekinhsei. Xarakthristika, opws plhroforhqhka apo to YPEXWDE, exei programmatistei plhrws, exei ginei o sxediasmos. O diagwnismos gia thn paraxwrhsh brisketai sthn telikh fash toy, exei ginei h proepilogh twn tessarwn omilwn, oloklhrwnetai h telikh fash gia th symbash paraxwrhshs kai qa anateqei stis arxes toy 2004.

KANELOPOYLOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, ayta poy moy eipate twra, ta exw akoysei stis kataggelies poy kanoyn. Eipwqhke oti ayta htan etoima na jekinhsoyn prin apo to 2000 kai den jekinhsan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pote den eipwqhke oti htan etoima na jekinhsoyn, afoy den eixe prohghqei h symbash paraxwrhshs. Isa-isa poy qelw na epishmanw oti se fylladia sta opoia anaferqhkan kapoioi toy YPEXWDE, gia to telos toy 2000, yparxoyn anafores oti proekycan kaqysterhseis kai prosqetes dapanes poy ofeilontan se mia seira apo logoys toys opoioys hdh exw proanaferei (apallotriwseis, arxaiologikes parembaseis, diorqwseis, paraxarajeis poy qewrhqhkan epibeblhmenes ejaitias prosfygwn klp) kai oti ola ayta qa oloklhrwqoyn me xroniko orizonta, mesa stis nomimes diadikasies. Edw einai kaqaro oti qa ginoyn meta to 2001. Den yphrje yposxesh oti qa eixan ginei mesa sto 2001 h sto 2002. Sas parapempw sto kentriko fylladio toy YPEXWDE. Panta qa yparxoyn kaqysterhseis s@ aytoys toys tomeis kai sas ejhghsa toys logoys. To qema einai oti ta erga proxwroyn. Kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh den nomizw oti ayto htan to kyrio zhthma. Dioti se telikh analysh, einai poly gnwsto stoys odhgoys kai idiaitera stoys epaggelmaties odhgoys, poia einai h ektash toy dromoy. O sygkekrimenos dromos einai kala synthrhmenos kai fwtismenos. Yparxei epaggelmatias odhgos poy na mhn jerei thn ekei ektash toy dromoy;

IWANNOY: Synocizontas, qa hqela na rwthsw, yparxei kapoio sygkekrimeno metro poy h kybernhsh prosanatolizetai na parei h otan exete ta apotelesmata twn ereynwn qa to kanete; Yparxei kati anakoinwsimo;

PRWTOPAPAS: To xeirotero poy exei na kanei kaneis, einai na kanei bebiasmenes kinhseis, poy den gnwrizoyme thn apodosh toys. To kalytero poy exei na kanei kaneis kai me sebasmo ston ellhniko lao kai stis oikogeneies twn qymatwn einai na diereynhsei plhrws ta aitia, na ferei enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy to apotelesma twn ereynwn gia th diereynhsh twn aitiwn toy dystyxhmatos, na apodoqoyn oi opoies eyqynes yparxoyn kai na proxwrhsoyn oi diadikasies elegxoy kai efarmoghs oloy toy plaisioy poy yparxei me aysthrothta kai sth leptomereia toy. Ayto to ofeiloyme ston ellhniko lao.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Gia to toynel, gia th symbash paraxwrhshs einai dieqnhs diagwnismos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oloi, pleon, oi diagwnismoi einai dieqneis. Den mporei na einai eswterikoi. Opws gnwrizete apo th nomoqesia ths E.E. einai toylaxiston eyrwpaikos. An kai oi ennoies, opws jerete, me thn kinhsh twn kefalaiwn, th dhmioyrgia twn etaireiwn einai...

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eixe programmatistei to ergo sto programma toy B@ KPS;

PRWTOPAPAS: To ergo ayto eixame desmeytei na ginei me to G@ KPS. Kai sto plaisio toy G@ KPS xrhmata den yparxoyn. Sas eipa gia th symbash paraxwrhshs. Sto plaisio, loipon, toy Koinotikoy poy oloklhrwnetai h PAQE qa proxwroyse kai ayto.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An katalaba kala gia to atyxhma ston Aliakmona gia to opoio yparxoyn ta porismata h kybernhsh exei ftasei sto symperasma oti den xreiazetai na lhfqei kanena epiprosqeto metro.

PRWTOPAPAS: Panta lambanoyme epiprosqeta metra. Se telikh analysh kaqe epiprosqeto metro krinetai sthn prajh. Sthn prajh beltiwneis, prosqeteis, parembaineis. Den eimaste adraneis. Den leme ayto einai kai teleiwse. Pote den qa to poyme ayto. Panta qa proxwroyme perissotero.

FILHS: Qa hqela en katakleidi kai gia logoys poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn asfaleia toy polith, apo ola ayta ta syxna polynekra dystyxhmata poy exoyn diaforetikes aities kai apo ayto poy diereynwntai oi aities toy twra, h kybernhsh exei bgalei kapoio symperasma gia dikes ths eyqynes, oxi me proqesh, alla apo paraleiceis kai synepws skeftetai na labei kapoia metra; Dikes ths eyqynes.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh einai ypoxrewmenh monimws na ginetai pio apotelesmatikh. Einai ypoxrewmenh monimws na beltiwnei tis dikes ths leitoyrgies kai mesa apo thn parakoloyqhsh kai thn anadeijh problhmatwn na probainei synexws se beltiwseis kai stoys elegxoys kai sto plaisio. Pote den qa stamathsoyme se ayto. Pote den leme oti eimaste ikanopoihmenoi. Qa proxwroyme synexws perissotero, beltiwnontas, parembainontas kai elegxontas.

FILHS: Den sas rwthsa an eiste ikanopoihmenoi h oxi. Sas rwtw an exete entopisei eyqynes sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Parte tis ekqeseis, miloyn apo mones toys. Ypo thn ennoia oti prepei na beltiwqoyn ta pragmata. Exoyme eyqynh na ta beltiwnoyme.

KALARITHS: Gi` ayto to tragiko gegonos epaggelmaties toy xwroy kai syndikalistes qetoyn ena qema parabiashs toy yfistamenoy plaisioy, alla kai beltiwshs toy. Lene sygkekrimena oti dexontai pieseis apo toys ergodotes na analaboyn megalytero fortio apo o,ti epitrepetai, oti odhgoyn 15 wres kai den problepetai stash, den problepontai dianyktereyseis, exoyn zhthsei na exoyn pentawrh stash sthn poreia, alla den exei ginei dekto. Ayto qa to ejetasei h Kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se ola ta zhthmata poy yparxoyn adynamies, stoys elegxoys mas, kai xreiazetai na toys beltiwsoyme na eiste bebaioi oti qa to kanoyme.

FILHS: Meta (den akoygetai)...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa jana gia metra poy exoyn lhfqei thn prosfath periodo. Synexws parembainoyme. Ayth einai h eyqynh mas synexws, na beltiwnoyme thn katastash. Jekinhsame apo para poly xamhla shmeia kai exoyme dhmioyrghsei ena plaisio. Safws qelei peraiterw elegxo kai prospaqeia. Pote den mporoyme na xalarwsoyme. Emeis exoyme thn eyqynh kai qa thn askhsoyme kai thn analambanoyme opoy prepei.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Me thn eikona poy dinei h kybernhsh, meta kai apo ta dyo ayta dystyxhmata, oysiastika einai san na qelei na synthrhsei@

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn ta taytizete.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Emeis den eimaste politikoi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto ena exoyme ekqesh twn empeirognwmonwn kai sto allo den exoyme. Sto ena gnwrizoyme pleon ti synebh kai sto allo den to gnwrizoyme.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Entajei. Pantws, gia enan aplo polith oysiastika einai dyo tragika dystyxhmata. Sas rwtame epaneilhmmenws ti metra qa labete kai fainetai h kybernhsh@.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia to dystyxhma ston Aliakmona apanthsa kaqara. Yparxei ekqesh twn empeirognwmonwn. Einai kaqaro oti o dromos einai teleios se ekeino to shmeio -milaw gia ton Aliakmona- einai kaqaro oti yparxoyn diaforetika diazwmata, exoyn lhfqei eidika metra, yparxoyn mpares, yparxei teleio odostrwma. Yphrxe anqrwpino laqos.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Kai an apodeixqei kai twra anqrwpino laqos, den qa yparxoyn metra. Ayto leme.

PRWTOPAPAS: Metra qa yparxoyn synexws, dioti ofeiloyme synexws na beltiwnoyme kai to plaisio kai toys elegxoys. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, ta toy Kaisaros tw Kaisari. Ftanei na maqainei o ellhnikos laos kaqara ti ftaiei gia to kaqe dystyxhma kai na mhn prosqetoyme anomoia pragmata metajy toys.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas pw oti h kybernhsh dinei thn eikona oti den qelei na allajei ayto to kaqestws poy yparxei, ayto to diefqarmeno kaqestws dhladh sta KTEO, eipe o k. Berelhs oti exei steilei 200 ypoqeseis ston eisaggelea, dhladh posoi einai oi ypallhloi twn KTEO; Einai panw apo 200; Gia na katalaboyme. Oi odhgoi kai oi idiokthtes exoyn kanei mia seira kataggelies gia ta KTEO. Gi` aytes tis kataggelies h kybernhsh den exei pei kamia koybenta gia toys elegxoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati den exei pei kamia koybenta; Otan bgainei o armodios ypoyrgos kai dexetai oti yparxei problhma sta KTEO apo apoch oysias twn elegxwn, oxi diadikasias, giati opws fainetai h diadikasia einai kalh, alla den ekteleitai ej oloklhroy se orismenoys tomeis. Otan leei, loipon, oti esteile 200 ypoqeseis ston eisaggelea shmainei oti prwtos o ypoyrgos apodexetai thn yparjh problhmatos.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Posa xronia; Eikosi xronia sta KTEO yparxoyn fainomena diafqoras. To exoyn pei toses fores kai ti egine;

PRWTOPAPAS: To steilame ston eisaggelea.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: To kyklwma diafqoras den yparxei; Ta forthga den kykloforoyn sapia stoys dromoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei dikaiosynh sthn Ellada kai den aponemetai apo ypoyrgo. Aponemetai apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys. Aposteilame epistolh ston k. Kroystalakh. Qelw na sas qymisw oti yparxei prosfath parembash toy eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy thn opoia merikoi espeysan na thn ypertonisoyn, hrqe o idios kai anagnwrise oti yparxei problhma kaqysterhshs aponomhs ths dikaiosynhs. Den to eipa egw, to eipe o eisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy, o opoios malista proanhggeile -anejarthtws apo to ti gnwmh exei kaqenas gi` ayth thn proanaggelia- oti to 2004 qa einai etos twn eisaggelewn. O k. Berelhs leei oti exei steilei 250 ypoqeseis ston eisaggelea. Emmesws, loipon, apanta "kyrioi yparxei problhma kai exw parapemcei tis ypoqeseis, wste na timwrhqoyn oi ypeyqynoi". Zhtoyme apo toys eisaggeleis na bohqhsoyn pros thn idia kateyqynsh. To exoyme zhthsei kai eggrafws. Aisqanomaste poly asxhma otan mas lete -piqanws dikaiologhmena orismenes fores- kai ti egine, poses poines doqhkan; Emeis qeloyme na epiblhqoyn poines. Ayth einai h agwnia mas kai thn exoyme ekfrasei kat` epanalhch.

FILHS: Idiwtikopoihsh twn KTEO poy einai enas paragontas diafqoras epipleon@

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema einai ti elegxoys kanoyn oi yphresies toy Dhmosioy, eite aforoyn to Dhmosio, eite symmetexei o idiwths. An ton elegxei swsta ton idiwth qa kanei kai ekeinos th doyleia toy swsta.

KALARITHS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn gnwrizete giati den phge shmera sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, to opoio htan krisimo gia to rolo toy OHE sto Irak;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Papandreoy, xqes to brady eixe ychlo pyreto.

ALEJAKHS: Qa katateqei h desmh skechs, opws to xarakthrisan proxqes kybernhtikoi paragontes sto shmerino deipno gia to rolo toy OHE kai ths E.E. sto Irak;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ta zhthmata poy exoyn proetoimastei qa teqoyn. Gia ta ypoloipa qa enhmerwqeite ayrio.

ALEJAKHS: Yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories oti to klima den einai kalo kai endexomenws na mhn katateqei to sygkekrimeno@.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa ektimhqei epitopoy. Ayrio qa exoyme plhrh enhmerwsh. H proetoimasia exei ginei kai exei ginei para poly kala. Ayth th stigmh, den mporw na sas pw ti ginetai ekei, dioti exoyn jekinhsei apo to prwi oi diadikasies kai perilambanoyn ta sygkekrimena shmeia hmerhsias diatajhs. H politikh syzhthsh qa ginotan to meshmeri.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Yparxei kapoio gramma toy Proedreyontos ths E.E. Kwsta Shmith pros ton k. Ntoyizempergk, sxetika me thn paramonh toy sthn Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas apanthsw ayrio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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