Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-04-02

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Aprilioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos milhse to prwi sth syskech boyleytwn toy Eyrwpaikoy Sosialistikoy Kommatos. Einai mia idiaitera shmantikh omilia, toso gia ta qemata toy polemoy kai tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, alla kai ths E.E., gyrw apo ayta, oso kai gia ta qemata ths eswterikhs politikhs kai tis proteraiothtes ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

Qelw na epishmanw idiaitera thn anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti o OHE prepei na exei kaqoristikh paroysia sto Irak, sthn periodo meta ton polemo kai oti monadiko shmeio anaforas prepei na einai o OHE.

Epishs, prepei na shmeiwsoyme to shmeio, sto opoio tonizei oti h twrinh krish edeije oti oi laoi ths Eyrwphs qeloyn kai oti oi kybernhseis ths Eyrwphs prepei na tolmhsoyn, wste to pagkosmio systhma na diepetai apo sxeseis isotimias kai pio aysthro sebasmo toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy.

O Prwqypoyrgos kanei, gia prwth fora, anafora stis protaseis poy exoyn ginei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh gia thn embaqynsh kai enisxysh ths politikhs enopoihshs ths Eyrwphs. Tonizei oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei kanei protaseis se sxesh me thn eniaia nomikh proswpikothta ths Enwshs, th qespish qeshs ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn ths E.E., thn epektash ths eidikhs pleiochfias gia th dhmioyrgia ths eyrwpaikhs diplwmatikhs yphresias, thn prowqhsh twn enisxymenwn synergasiwn kai bebaiws anoigei th dynatothta ths syzhthshs gia mia allh enallaktikh strathgikh sthn Eyrwph, gia thn anaptyjh ths koinhs eyrwpaikhs politikhs amynas. Kati poy, opws katalabainete, einai idiaitera shmantiko me bash tis syzhthseis poy ginontai ton teleytaio kairo.

Yparxei, epishs, anafora gia ton epanaprosdiorismo ths sxeshs ths Eyrwphs me tis HPA. Opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, orismenes xwres, opws h Germania, h Gallia, alla kai h Ellada, poy pisteyoyn oti h Eyrwph prepei na einai aytonomos polos, me th dikh ths politikh kai me bash thn aytonomia ths, prepei na anaptyjei ejwterikh politikh, amyna kai asfaleia. Pisteyoyn sthn anagkh dialogoy me tis HPA, alla kai endoeyrwpaikoy dialogoy gia thn orioqethsh twn sxesewn.

Anaferetai akomh sta programmata ths ellhnikhs Proedrias sthn E.E. kai prodiagrafei tis kentrikes kateyqynseis ths politikhs mas sto eswteriko pedio: Politikh staqerothta, prowqhsh toy eksygxronistikoy egxeirhmatos, eyrwpaikos prosanatolismos, baros sthn oikonomia, me baqia pisth -ayth einai kai h diafora mas me th neofileleyqerh politikh- oti mono mia politikh isxyrhs koinwnikhs prostasias apeleyqerwnei th dhmioyrgikothta twn atomwn, poy alliws qa odhgoyntan se koinwniko apokleismo.

Bebaiws, yparxoyn kai anafores stis proteraiothtes ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas kai tis prooptikes ths Elladas, meta toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Parola ayta ta opoia leei o Prwqypoyrgos gia meta ton polemo oti qa prepei na paijoyn to rolo toys ta Hnwmena Eqnh, para tayta o egkyros Guardian anaferei -kai einai poly shmantiko ayto- oti telika th mellontikh kybernhsh sto Irak, meta ton polemo, qa th sthsoyn 23 apostratoi Amerikanoi me th bohqeia Irakinwn. Afhnei -etsi leei o Guardian- ejw thn E.E. kai ta Hnwmena Eqnh. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: H taytish aytwn poy epiteqhkan me aytoys poy qa analaboyn thn politikh anasygkrothsh toy Irak einai epikindynh kai sta matia toy laoy toy Irak kai sta matia olwn twn lawn ths perioxhs. Einai safes oti mono o OHE mporei na eggyhqei thn epityxia toy egxeirhmatos. Toy anhkei o kyrios kai kaqoristikos rolos.

KALARITHS: Xqes, eixame peripoy 30 parabiaseis toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy apo toyrkika maxhtika, se mia periodo poy ypotiqetai oti synexizetai h politikh ths proseggishs ek meroys ths Elladas. Exete kapoio sxolio gi@ ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se aytes tis proklhseis ths toyrkikhs pleyras apantoyme me to synhqh tropo ton opoio gnwrizete. Einai safes oti emeis prepei na epilejoyme toys tomeis ths ejwterikhs politikhs, stoys opoioys qa dwsoyme to baros mas. Oi opoies kinhseis ginontai apo thn allh pleyra gia dhmioyrgia deyterogenwn metwpwn, einai safes oti synantoyn thn apanthsh mas, alla den qa parasyroyn toys kyrioys ajones ths politikhs mas. Emeis epilegoyme poy qa dinoyme to kyrio baros ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayrio Pempth, o antiproedros kai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths toyrkikhs kybernhshs k. Gkioyl episkeptetai epishma ta katexomena. Ti mporei na shmainei ayth h episkech kai pws th sxoliazete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti exei anablhqei. An omws pragmatopoihqei argotera, qa prokeitai gia tis synhqeis episkeceis twn Toyrkwn ypoyrgwn sta katexomena. Tis antimetwpizoyme me ton idio tropo kaqe fora. Epaneilhmmena exoyn ginei tetoies kinhseis kai epaneilhmmena exoyme topoqethqei me ton tropo poy panta topoqetoymaste kai einai apolyta symfwnos me ton tropo poy topoqeteitai kai h Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Den prokeitai na anagnwristei etsi sta matia ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas to tmhma twn katexomenwn. Aytes einai kinhseis poy den apodidoyn tipota, para mono se o,ti afora thn eswterikh katanalwsh sthn toyrkikh pleyra. Ean h Toyrkia qelei pragmatika na symbalei se kati, prepei na kaqisei sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn gia to Sxedio Anan kai na yparjei bebaia mia swsth diapragmateysh, opws thn exei zhthsei h ellhnikh kai h ellhnokypriakh pleyra.

KWNSTANTIDHS: Diablepete mia allagh sthn politikh ths Toyrkias, giati yparxoyn kapoies dhlwseis toy k. Erntogan, oi opoies qa elega oti sygklinoyn kapws...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mas briskoyn symfwnoys oi dhlwseis toy k. Erntogan, dioti mila gia prospaqeia epilyshs toy Kypriakoy, ektos plaisioy OHE. Kati tetoio den mporei na ginei. Einai safes oti h opoia prospaqeia epilyshs toy Kypriakoy prepei na ginei sto plaisio toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai twn apofasewn toy OHE kai bebaiws ypo thn aigida toy dieqnoys Organismoy. Ean o k. Erntogan qelei na symbalei, den exei para na zhthsei (kai qa to kanoyme asmenws apodekto) kai bebaiws na epibalei kai ston k. Ntenktas, na arxisei oysiastikh syzhthsh gyrw apo to Sxedio Anan.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Exete kapoio sxolio prwton gia thn topoqethsh toy Giwrgoy Petsoy sto dikasthrio, oti sto edwlio twn kathgoroymenwn gia th dikh ths 17N kaqontai mono kapoioi apo to epixeirhsiako skelos ths organwshs kai deyteron gia thn topoqethsh ths kas Mpakogiannh, h opoia afhse aixmes oti sth dolofonia Mpakogiannh eixan emplakei kai mystikes yphresies;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti xreiazetai na apantoyme se osa ginontai kai legontai kata th diarkeia ths dikhs. Idiaitera den briskw to logo giati qa prepei na apanthsw se osa eipe o k. Petsos. Isxyoyn, bebaia, osa exoyme pei kata kairoys. Ta epibebaiwnoyme plhrws. Ayta poy exoyme pei oti ejarqrwqhke h 17N, isxyoyn plhrws.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh gia pollosth fora kai apo th dhlwsh sas, h Ellada emfanizetai na syntassetai me th Germania kai th Gallia...

PRWTOPAPAS: To leei o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy kai tonizei se poio qema. Sto qema ths antilhchs gia th mellontikh poreia ths Eyrwphs.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw, ean hdh epejergazeste kapoies qeseis, meta kai apo thn apeleyqerwsh sas apo tis desmeyseis apo thn Proedria, poy qa dieykrinisoyn perissotero toys ajones ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths xwras.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws anefere sth shmerinh omilia toy o Prwqypoyrgos, epejergazomaste qeseis kai kata th diarkeia ths Proedrias, gia piqanes prwtoboylies. Mas endiaferei, mas apasxolei kai proetoimazomaste gia mia syzhthsh poy antikeimenika mporei na arxisei kai sth diarkeia ths Proedrias, isws me thn aformh ths syzhthshs gia thn embaqynsh ths Eyrwphs.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Toso o k. Shmiths shmera, oso kai o k. Papandreoy xqes, eqesan apolytws anagkaia thn oloklhrwsh ths dieyrynshs ths E.E. kai malista synedesan ayto to qema...

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai ths embaqynshs.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: ...epeidh 7-10 toy mhnos exoyme th syzhthsh sto Eyrwkoinoboylio, hqela na rwthsw, ean h ellhnikh Proedria exei diapistwsei kapoio klima anhsyxias sthn E.E., anaforika me th dieyrynsh kai th 16h Aprilioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: H dieyrynsh prepei na ginei, wste na mporoyn kai oles aytes oi xwres poy exoyn zhthsei na einai melh ths E.E., na metasxoyn stis diadikasies ths Enwshs, na mporoyme ki emeis na syzhthsoyme kalytera mazi toys, na antallajoyme problhmatismoys, na diamorfwsoyme toys oroys kai ths dikhs toys symmetoxhs sthn eyrwpaikh strathgikh. Yphrxe ena qema me toys proypologismoys poy apasxolhse to Eyrwkoinoboylio. Gnwrizete oti yphrje xqes mia prwtoboylia ths ellhnikhs Proedrias kai mia syzhthsh ekproswpwn toy ECOFIN me to eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio kai bebaiws, paroysia toy Ellhna yfypoyrgoy, ws proedreyontos toy ECOFIN, k. Flwridh. H syzhthsh ayth diamorfwse kalytero klima se synennohsh me to Eyrwkoinoboylio. Den lhfqhkan telikes apofaseis, den yphrje katalhjh, wstoso oi syzhthseis proxwroyn. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti den qa yparjei kanena problhma. Ayto ejartatai apo to Eyrwkoinoboylio.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kat epanalhch sas exw rwthsei ep aytoy kai hsastan apolytos tis prohgoymenes fores. Shmera lete oti h dieyrynsh ``prepei na ginei''. Epomenws, diakatexeste apo kapoia anhsyxia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, mhn ermhneyete etsi kaqe lejh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ermhneyw kaqe lejh, giati tis prohgoymenes fores hsastan apolytos oti h dieyrynsh qa ginei opwsdhpote.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas ejhghsa giati prepei na ginei. Gi ayto kai qa ginei. Hqela na sas tonisw oti den einai mia diadikastikh ypoxrewsh, alla einai mia baqia politikh apofash. Den qa ginei ws diadikastikh ypoxrewsh. Qa ginei ws politikh prajh. Gi ayto ekana ayth thn analysh. Einai politiko zhthma.

KACIWTHS: Shmera sto prwtoselido ths h efhmerida ``ESPRESSO'' apokalyptei oti thn Kyriakh eixame ena sobarotato peristatiko sta xwrika mas ydata me thn Toyrkia. Kat` arxas, to epibebaiwnete; Kai kata deyteron, ti protiqetai na prajei h kybernhsh gia na mh symbainoyn tetoia peristatika synexws;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den htan sobaro peristatiko.

KACIWTHS: Htan emplokh triwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den htan sobaro peristatiko. Oyte emplokh yphrje. Htan ena synhqes peristatiko poy symbainei sta oria twn xwrikwn ydatwn twn dyo xwrwn. Symbainei para polles fores na yparxoyn antidikies gia alieytika skafh, ta opoia kinoyntai sta oria ayta. To Limeniko htan ekei me aktaiwro. Hrqan kapoies toyrkikes aktaiwroi poy apoxwrhsan, sth synexeia. Meta thn apoxwrhsh toys efyge kai to diko mas skafos. Den yphrje kanena epipleon problhma. Einai mia synhqhs periptwsh se aytes tis perioxes twn qalassiwn synorwn.

KORIDH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, protiqetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh me thn idiothta ths ws proedreyoysa ths E.E. na kanei diabhma sthn OYNESKO gia na mh bombardizontai ta polytima mnhmeia toy Irak; Dioti ektos apo toys amaxoys bombardizontai kai ayta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw oti einai qetiko na lhfqoyn metra gia thn prostasia ths politistikhs klhronomias. O k. Benizelos -kai me thn idiothta toy proedreyontos toy Symboylioy Ypoyrgwn Politismoy ths E.E.- hdh exei kanei sxetikes kinhseis. Einai apolytws swsto kai anagkaio na lhfqoyn metra gia thn prostasia ayths ths pragmatika ploysias istorikhs kai politistikhs klhronomias, poy anhkei se oloklhrh thn anqrwpothta.

ALEJAKHS: Sto plaisio poy anaferate ths enisxyshs ths poreias gia mia koinh ejwterikh politikh kai politikh eniaias asfaleias sthn Eyrwph, yparxei protash h skeptetai h ellhnikh pleyra na qesei kapoia protash, gia ayjhsh twn stratiwtikwn dapanwn se antistaqmisma toy apogalaktismoy apo tis HPA;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh biazeste. Prepei na anoijoyme ayth th syzhthsh, na melethsoyme ola ta piqana senaria, na mporesoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme ena pneyma katanohshs kai apodoxhs ayths ths anagkaiothtas sthn E.E.. Prepei, isws -opws xarakthristika eipe shmera kai o Prwqypoyrgos- na anazhthsoyme kai alles enallaktikes strathgikes gia thn anaptyjh ths koinhs eyrwpaikhs politikhs amynas. Qa einai mia dyskolh syzhthsh. Einai, omws, anagkaia, thn pisteyoyme kai thn prowqoyme. As mh biazomaste gia ta sygkekrimena shmeia. Epejergazomaste thn politikh mas se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

A. PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kapoies dhlwseis ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs kai stelexwn toy PASOK, tis teleytaies hmeres, den qewreite oti ypoqhkeyoyn arnhtika to mellon twn ellhno-amerikanikwn sxesewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi! Giati; Den exoyme antidikia, oyte me ton amerikaniko lao, oyte me to amerikaniko kratos ws qesh arxhs. Isa-isa poy qeloyme enan eilikrinh kai swsto dialogo me tis HPA. An exoyn ginei dhlwseis, exoyn ginei gia th sygkekrimenh prajh epiqeshs sto Irak, gia ena sygkekrimeno gegonos, gia ena sygkekrimeno qema, to opoio, opws gnwrizete, synanta thn katadikh oloy toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ton ellhniko lao ekfrazoyn aytes oi topoqethseis kai bebaiws thn eyrwpaikh koinwnia. Toys Eyrwpaioys polites gia to sygkekrimeno gegonos, th sygkekrimenh politikh epilogh ejefrase kai h proxqesinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

IWANNOY: Anaferqhkate prohgoymenws sthn paroysia poy prepei na exei o OHE. Qa hqela na mas peite ean exei allajei kati apo pleyras HPA. Dhladh, an oi HPA den dextoyn ayth thn oysiastikh paroysia kai parembash toy OHE, ti qa prajoyme emeis ws E.E.; Kai kati akomh: Den einai paradojo, enan polemo poy einai mh nomimopoihmenos (giati kai me poion tropo;) na ton nomimopoihsei o OHE, ek twn ysterwn, parembainontas se ayth thn anasygkrothsh toy Irak;

PRWTOPAPAS: H monh periptwsh na pame se mia omalh politikh anasygkrothsh toy Irak kai prowqhshs twn dhmokratikwn ejelijewn se ayto -bebaiws me plhrh sebasmo twn synorwn toy kai twn dikaiwmatwn twn meionothtwn se ayto- einai h apofasistikh parembash toy OHE. Se opoiadhpote allh periptwsh qa yparjoyn sobara problhmata. Kroyoyme ton kwdwna toy kindynoy. Den qa einai ajiopisth h opoiasdhpote allhs morfhs monomerhs parembash kai metatroph toy Irak se ena eidos protektoratoy, oyte ston idio to lao toy Irak, oyte stoys alloys arabikoys laoys ths perioxhs. Qa gennhqoyn problhmata, qa egerqoyn antiqeseis, yparxei o kindynos na dhmioyrghqei to sperma gia arnhtikes ejelijeis kai fainomena poy qa eynooyn, qa elega, thn trofodothsh ths tromokratias. Epiteloys, as antimetwpisoyme thn alhqeia katamata. Monon o OHE mporei na eggyhqei oti h diadikasia ths politikhs anasygkrothshs toy Irak qa ginei me plhrh sebasmo twn dhmokratikwn diadikasiwn, twn dikaiwmatwn twn meionothtwn kai toy sebasmoy ths anejarthsias kai ths akeraiothtas toy Irak. Monon etsi ayth h ejelijh qa einai sebasth apo oloys toys laoys ths perioxhs kai ton idio to lao toy Irak. Monon etsi qa einai apodekth h ejelijh ayth apo olh th dieqnh koinothta, apo oles tis xwres toy kosmoy. Einai ena shmeio poy den prepei na riskaroyme, an den qeloyme na yparjoyn pollaplasiastika arnhtika fainomena sthn perioxh, an den qeloyme na dhmioyrghqoyn alloy typoy ejelijeis, antagwnismoi, antidikies kai deytereyonta synexh problhmata. To eipa kai prin oti mporei na trofodothqei h tromokratia kai kaneis den qelei thn trofodothsh ths. Einai o exqros mas. Gi` ayto prepei na merimnoyme kai na apantoyme me dhmokratikes diadikasies.

ALEJAKHS: Na rwthsw kati plhroforiaka gia ta twn pthsewn twn bombardistikwn poy feygoyn apo th Bretania kai bombardizoyn to Irak: Yparxoyn dieleyseis apo ton ellhniko enaerio xwro kai an "nai" exei doqei kapoia sxetikh adeia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme paraxwrhsei enaerio xwro.

Sas eyxaristw.

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