Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-03-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Martioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, brisketai stis Bryjelles. Exei hdh mia seira epafwn me to Proedreio ths Synomospondias Eyrwpaikwn Syndikatwn, me to Proedreio twn Eyrwpaiwn Ergodotwn. Sth synexeia, qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs k. Romano Pronti, me ton ekproswpo gia qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai politikhs asfaleias k. Xabie Solana kai, to apogeyma, me to Proedro toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy k. Koj.

Ayrio to prwi qa pragmatopoihqei h synanthsh ths troikas ths E.E. paroysia kai ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, me toys ekproswpoys twn koinwnikwn etairwn kai qa akoloyqhsei synenteyjh Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Sth synexeia, qa exoyme to geyma twn Eyrwpaiwn Sosialistwn, kata th diarkeia toy opoioy qa yparjei topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

To apogeyma, stis 7 m.m. jekina h Earinh Synodos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy me qema syzhthshs thn krish sto Irak, h opoia qa synexistei kai sth diarkeia toy deipno.

Thn Paraskeyh to prwi, einai programmatismeno na asxolhqei h Synodos me ta qemata ths Lissabonas, ta zhthmata ths oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs politikhs kai ths politikhs apasxolhshs ths E.E.

To meshmeri, qa ginei to geyma me toys ekproswpoys twn ypo dieyrynsh xwrwn.

H Earinh Synodos Koryfhs qa lhjei me synenteyjh Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy.

Opws blepete, apo to programma leipei h syzhthsh gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs. Den diagrafhke, aplws anablhqhke. Kai qa ginei syntoma. Ayto, bebaia, egine se synennohsh me ton k. Ziskar nt` Esten, dioti ektimhqhke oti prepei na afierwqei perissoteros xronos sta qemata ths krishs toy Irak, alla kai dioti to zhthse o k. nt` Esten, wste na yparxei xronos gia perissoterh syzhthsh gyrw apo ena toso sobaro qema. Na shmeiwsw oti se kamia periptwsh den prepei na doqei h entypwsh oti h Synodos qa asxolhqei mono me thn krish sto Irak. Bebaiws, einai ena idiaitera shmantiko dieqnes qema, poy mas apasxolei oloys. Logiko einai na apasxolhsei kai thn E.E. Den shmainei, omws -to tonise idiaitera o Prwqypoyrgos- oti h Synodos den qa asxolhqei kai me ta qemata poy aforoyn ton polith ths Eyrwphs, ta qemata poy aforoyn thn apasxolhsh, to epipedo koinwnikhs prostasias kai tis prooptikes anaptyjhs.

Thn epomenh Tetarth (26.3.2003), o Prwqypoyrgos, qa metabei stis Bryjelles, prokeimenoy na enhmerwsei to Eyrwkoinoboylio gia ta apotelesmata ths Earinhs Synodoy toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy.

Xqes to brady, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe thlefwnikh epikoinwnia me to Gallo Proedro Zak Sirak. Anthllaghsan apoceis sxetikes me ta qemata toy Earinoy Symboylioy.

Se o,ti afora thn paroysia Ellhnwn politwn kai dhmosiografwn sto Irak, qelw na epanalabw thn ekklhsh mas: Oloi oi Ellhnes polites poy briskontai sto Irak na epistrecoyn sthn Ellada, gia th dikh toys asfaleia. To ypoyrgeio Typoy, gia th dieykolynsh twn dhmosiografwn, apesteile to stelexos toy ypoyrgeioy k. Koytsoymh sth Ntoxa toy Katar, o opoios qa analabei na bohqhsei to ergo toys. Apeyqynoyme ekklhsh stoys Ellhnes dhmosiografoys, gia th dikh toys asfaleia, na egkataleicoyn to Irak. Kai qelw na parakalesw, xwris kamia diaqesh parembashs, toys thleoptikoys staqmoys kai ta alla Mesa poy exoyn apestalmenoys na symbaloyn se ayto.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Sto xqesino Symboylio twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn ths E.E., opoy etoimazei synhqws tis Synodoys Koryfhs, diapistwqhke oti yparxei baqy xasma, oson afora to qema toy Irak, yparxei diafwnia poy katagrafhke...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai akribws etsi.

MIXAHL: Yparxei diafwnia, h opoia katagrafhke.

PRWTOPAPAS: Na meinoyme se ayto, na to jekaqarisoyme. Exw epikoinwnhsei me to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. H aisqhsh poy yparxei -dioti den katelhjan se keimeno kai den htan dynato na katalhjoyn, ayto qa epixeirhqei na ginei sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio- einai oti, bebaiws yphrjan diaforetikes proseggiseis sto qema ths krishs, diafainetai, omws, h yparjh koinhs epiqymias na breqei tropos paroysias, tropos koinhs stashs ths E.E. stis peraiterw ejelijeis.

MIXAHL: Einai gnwsto, kat` arxas, oti o k. Strooy den phge, epikaloymenos th synedriash ths Boylhs twn Koinothtwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekproswpeito, omws, to Hnwmeno Basileio.

MIXAHL: Profanws, ekproswphqhke. Oi plhrofories poy exw egw, toylaxiston, apo tis Bryjelles, lene oti oi Ispanoi kai oi Portogaloi den allajan stash, sxetika me thn episkech stis Azores. Den jerw ti qa ginei sth Synodo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa, alla den to prosejate. Fantazomai oti qa emfanistoyn kai sth Synodo, oti qa yparjoyn diaforetikes proseggiseis. Yphrjan, diapistwqhkan ejalloy, sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, diaforetikes proseggiseis mesa sthn E.E. gia thn krish, se sxesh me to ean eprepe h den eprepe na ginei polemos kai -to kyriotero- ean eprepe h oxi na nomimopoihqei mesw toy OHE. Emeis exoyme ekfrastei poly kaqara. Eipame oti bebaiws eprepe na nomimopoihqei, mesw toy OHE. Se ayto, ontws, kai xqes, ekfrasthkan diaforetikes proseggiseis. Sas lew, omws -kai peri aytoy qa exoyme thn apodeijh sto Symboylio Koryfhs- oti pera apo tis gnwstes apoceis kai diafwnies poy yparxoyn, ekfrasthke kat` arxas h diafanhke h qelhsh twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. na syzhthqei o rolos kai h koinh stash ths E.E. stis peraiterw ejelijeis. To shmeiwnoyme ws diapistwsh. Ayto, allwste, prepei na ajiopoihqei idiaitera kai stis prospaqeies poy qa katablhqoyn apo thn ellhnikh Proedria, kata th diarkeia ths ayrianhs hmeras, kai idiaitera kata th diarkeia twn ergasiwn toy earinoy Symboylioy, wste na yparjei mia apofash na breqei koinh stash ths E.E. stis peraiterw ejelijeis.

MIXAHL: H ellhnikh Proedria kai o k. Shmiths me poia diaqesh phgainoyn se ayth th Synodo; Na poyn ta pragmata me to onoma toys; Dhladh oti emeis, den einai (den akoygetai) o polemos, opws o idios dhlwse xqes kai oti den qa eprepe kapoioi na speysoyn na syntaxqoyn me kati to opoio h dieqnhs koinh gnwmh qewrei paranomo h na epiteyxqei mia qesh, h opoia qa einai to minimoym symfwnias kai h opoia den qa leei tipota;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai ta pragmata etsi opws ta lete. O k. Shmiths, xqes, kai me thn idiothta toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy, alla kai me thn idiothta toy Proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, htan safhs. Ejefrase th lyph toy gia thn telikh apofash h opoia elhfqh apo tis HPA kai apo toys symmaxoys ths gia ton polemo sto Irak. Ypenqymise tis prospaqeies poy eixe katabalei h ellhnikh Proedria, toso gia mia koinh stash ths E.E., oso kai gia thn eirhnikh, mesa apo tis diadikasies toy OHE, epilysh ths krishs sto Irak. Jekaqarise oti o polemos qa eprepe, ws ystato meso, ean yphrxe telika h ektimhsh oti xreiazotan, na nomimopoihqei me apofash toy OHE. Kai epanalabe th qelhsh ths ellhnikhs Proedrias, na synexisei na kataballei prospaqeies, na dinei maxes gia thn koinh ejwterikh politikh kai politikh asfaleias ths Eyrwphs. Ayto, mazi bebaiws kai me tis anafores poy ekane gia th synexeia ths Lissabonas, einai kai to perigramma twn prospaqeiwn poy qa katabalei h ellhnikh Proedria kai proswpika o Prwqypoyrgos, shmera kai ayrio, stis Bryjelles. Bebaiws, qa katabaloyme kaqe prospaqeia gia na diamorfwqei mia koinh stash ths E.E., se o,ti afora tis peraiterw ejelijeis. Ayto den anairei thn topoqethsh poy kaname. Den anairei tis diapistwseis mas. Den anairei -to antiqeto, malista- tis qeseis mas. Gnwrizete oti qa ekfrastoyn kai alles qeseis. Ayto den shmainei oti oi diaforetikes qeseis gia to pws fqasame edw poy fqasame, prepei na anairesoyn th dynatothta anazhthshs kai thn anaptyjh prospaqeiwn se o,ti afora to ti prepei na kanei h Eyrwph ws Enwsh, apo edw kai pera. To qema ths koinhs ejwterikhs politikhs kai politikhs asfaleias -to exoyme tonisei, kat` epanalhch- apaitei megales prospaqeies. Den einai eykolo. Einai idiaitera dyskolo. Yparxoyn polles apoceis kai antilhceis poy to antistrateyontai. Emeis prepei na synexisoyme na kataballoyme sxetikes prospaqeies. To pisteyoyme; Nai, to pisteyoyme. Pisteyoyme sthn anagkaiothta ths politikhs ayths. Kai qa synexisoyme, kai se aytes tis dyskoles synqhkes, na kataballoyme prospaqeia gi@ ayto. Na mporesoyme na diamorfwsoyme tis synqhkes mias koinhs stashs, mias koinhs glwssas ths Eyrwphs gia tis peraiterw ejelijeis, xwris ayto na shmainei pws ta mexri twra, pws o,ti eipame den isxyei kai den qa to epanalaboyme.

MIXAHL: Egw qelw na katalabw poia qa einai h koinh stash. Ennoeite koinh stash, me dedomenes tis apoceis poy exoyn katagrafei...;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw pei, hdh, arketa. O polemos qetei kai mia seira zhthmatwn gia th synexeia. Yparxoyn polla pragmata poy prepei na syzhthqoyn. Ti qa ginei me to Irak sto mellon; Poia morfh diakybernhshs qa exei; Ypo poioy thn eyqynh; Pote qa ginei anasygkrothsh toy; Ti qa ginei me toys prosfyges; Poia qa einai h stash kai h qesh ths Eyrwphs apenanti se ola ayta; Ayta den einai zhthmata poy prepei na mas apasxoloyn; Den exoyme etoimes lyseis.

MIXAHL: Den zhtw etoimes lyseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw: Ayta den einai zhthmata poy prepei na mas apasxolhsoyn;

MIXAHL: Toys Danoys poy lene oti qa steiloyn strato... h toys Polwnoys poy lene, nai symfwnoyme na steiloyme kai 800 Polwnoys...

PRWTOPAPAS: Hmoyn safhs.

MIXAHL: Ean den anadeijoyme tis diafores...

PRWTOPAPAS: O kaqenas krinetai.

MIXAHL: Sas rwthsan kai kommata gi@ ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqenas krinetai. Exoyme topoqethqei, kat` epanalhch, kai me parrhsia.

SOYGLERHS: Zhthsan ta kommata enhmerwsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo; Giati den egine mia tetoia synanthsh, mias kai ftasame prin apo ton polemo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti ta kommata zhthsan na ginei syzhthsh sth Boylh. Egine poly prosfata syzhthsh sth Boylh kai egine plhrhs enhmerwsh gia ta qemata ths krishs sto Irak.

SOYGLERHS: Se ayto to epipedo poy fqasame twra...

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia oles tis prohgoymenes faseis, th genikoterh politikh poy akoloyqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai gia th stash ths Elladas, exei ginei analytikotath syzhthsh se epipedo arxhgwn sto ellhniko Koinoboylio. Apo ekei kai pera, gi@ ayta poy antimetwpizoyme aytes tis hmeres, qa ginei enhmerwsh apo th stigmh poy qa katalhjei kai h E.E. se kapoies apofaseis. Den gnwrizoyme, ayth th stigmh, poies apofaseis qa yparjoyn. Ayrio einai mia poly dyskolh kai krisimh hmera. Qa katablhqoyn megales prospaqeies apo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

MPOYATAR: Sxetika me tis syzhthseis metajy toy k. Sirak kai toy k. Shmith, poios thlefwnhse se poion kai an mporoyme na exoyme perissoteres plhrofories gia to ti syzhthsan.

PRWTOPAPAS: H syzhthsh egine xqes to brady, stis Bryjelles. Aplws, sas metaferw oti egine h syzhthsh.

MPOYATAR: Tinos prwtoboylia htan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw thn ektimhsh oti htan toy k. Sirak, alla qa to elegjw kai qa sas apanthsw. Syzhthqhkan ta qemata ths Synodoy.

PAPPA: Pera apo thn prospaqeia poy qa katabalei h Ellhnikh Proedria, blepete na einai efikto (den akoygetai).

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa hqela na kanw biastikes ektimhseis. Se epikoinwnia poy eixame gia thn ajiologhsh ths xqesinhs Synodoy twn ypoyrgwn Genikwn Ypoqesewn - h opoia bebaiws den ebgale kapoio keimeno, proetoimase omws to klima gia th Synodo Koryfhs kai anthllaghsan apoceis- eginan oles aytes oi ektimhseis gia to pws ftasame sthn krish kai anaptyxqhkan oles oi gnwstes diatypwqeises diaforetikes logikes. Apo kei kai pera omws yphrxe mia koinh agwnia, enas problhmatismos, gia to ti prepei na kanoyme kapo dw kai pera kai oti prepei h Eyrwph na exei th dikh ths fwnh kai th dikh ths paroysia. Ayton ton problhmatismo ton katagrafoyme kai qa prospaqhsoyme na ton ajiopoihsoyme. Den mporw ayth th stigmh na sas pws meta bebaiothtas poio qa einai to apotelesma. Mporw omws na sas pw meta bebaiothtas oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa katabalei poly megales prospaqeies s' ayth thn kateyqynsh. Giati einai baqia mas pisth h anagkaiothta ths koinhs paroysias ths Eyrwphs stis dieqneis ejelijeis.

KOYIN: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw dieykrinistika mhpws gnwrizete posoi dhmosiografoi briskontai sth Bagdath;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe staqmos, nomizw oti exei enan ekproswpo toy ekei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Oson afora ton polemo toy Irak, alla ki aytes tis diaforetikes fwnes poy akoygontai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, fobaste oti mhpws h dieyrynsh anablhqei pros to paron h qa pame kanonika; Anaferomai sto qema ths 16hs Aprilioy poy qa einai to qema ths ypografhs, mhpws yparjei mia kaqysterhsh sto qema ths dieyrynshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den blepw kanenan logo gia na yparjei kaqysterhsh sto qema ths dieyrynshs. H prajh ths entajhs sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh twn ypoloipwn deka xwrwn qa ginei kanonika stis 16 Aprilioy.

ZOYLAS: O k. Shmiths ejefrase xqes th lyph toy kai diatypwse thn apoch oti qa eprepe na yparxei egkrish toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Qa hqela na rwthsw an protiqetai h Ellhnikh Proedria na epejergastei ena keimeno poy na katadikazei ton polemo. Dhladh an ayth h qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa labei th morfh enos keimenoy poy qa prowqhsei h Ellhnikh Proedria.

PRWTOPAPAS: H Ellhnikh Proedria exei labei ola ta anagkaia metra gia na kataqesei apoceis kai protaseis, kata th diarkeia ths Synodoy Koryfhs. Apo kei kai pera katalabainete oti s' ayto poy qa katalhjoyme, an katalhjoyme den qa mporei na einai h dikh mas apoch. Dioti gnwrizete oti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia tetoia zhthmata den yparxei pleiochfia kai meiochfia. Opws gnwrizete, mporoyn dyo - treis xwres - kai yparxoyn aytes - na diatypwsoyn antiqeth apoch, opote dhmioyrgeitai politiko adiejodo. Epeidh omws prepei h Eyrwph, prepei h E.E., na einai paroysa stis ejelijeis, qa laboyme ola ta anagkaia metra kai qa kanoyme oles tis anagkaies prospaqeies, mesa se dyskolo klima, to epanalambanw, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme kapoy. Den einai eykolo giati yparxoyn oi gnwstes diaforetikes apoceis kai to gnwrizete. Toytwn doqentwn h prepei o kaqenas na trabhjei to dromo toy h na prospaqhsoyme gia thn paroysia ths Eyrwphs stis ejelijeis. Apantoyme eyqews oti qa katabaloyme kaqe dynath prospaqeia, wste na einai paroysa h Eyrwph stis ejelijeis. Den gnwrizw, ayth th stigmh, an qa to petyxoyme. Gnwrizw, omws, oti kataballoyme poly megales prospaqeies.

PAPPA: Sthn poreia qa pate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat' arxas, qa leipw. An omws me rwtate an qa parastei h Kybernhsh, sas lew oti einai allos o rolos ths kai prosexoyme para poly toys roloys. Bebaiws, opws kai thn prohgoymenh fora, to PASOK qa kalesei toys Ellhnes polites na symmetasxoyn stis kinhtopoihseis poy organwnei h GSEE.

Prin kleisoyme qa hqela na sas anaferw, opws exw plhroforhqei apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, oti to galliko aeroplanoforo Charles de Gaulle qa ellimenistei kanonika sth Soyda, stis 21 toy mhna, opws einai programmatismeno.

KOYIN: Mhpws sas exei plhroforhsei to Ypoyrgeio, ean qa epitrapei o kanonikos ellimenismos toy aeroplanoforoy sthn problhta, poy exei kataskeyastei @;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw toses leptomereies. Ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti exei programmatistei o ellimenismos toy gallikoy aeroplanoforoy kai qa ginei kanonika.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Yphrjan kapoies antidraseis apo toys Amerikanoys @..

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Yphrxan kapoia texnika problhmata, gi' ayto egine kai o programmatismos poy threitai kanonika.

Sas eyxaristw.

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