Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-12-04

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Dekembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh ti apanta, giati den apanthse xqes se epipedo, toylaxiston, dhlwsewn sto Dano ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, o opoios synedese thn epilysh toy politikoy problhmatos ths Kyproy me thn entajh ths;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa, xqes, analytika. An deite tis xqesines dhlwseis moy qa breite kai thn apanthsh.

MIXAHL: Epeidh, omws, otan o idios rwthqhke argotera, meta tis dikes sas dhlwseis -kai sygkekrimena meta th synanthsh toy me ton Ellhna ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn- sthn oysia den tis anairese, tis diatypwse diaforetika@

PRWTOPAPAS: Tis anairese en merei.

MIXAHL: Estw, oti egine en merei. Ayto den sas dhmioyrgei problhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa analytika, xqes. Tonisa me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo oti h dieyrynsh jekina apo thn entajh ths Kyproy. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei dwsei kathgorhmatikh apanthsh se ayto. Kai se ayth th grammh na eiste bebaioi oti qa meinoyme.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh fobatai mhpws sto para ena ths Synodoy sthn Kopegxagh katateqei neo sxedio apo ton Kofi Anan poy qa exei pia enswmatwsei tis parathrhseis kai twn dyo pleyrwn kai qa to qewrei ws tetelesmeno eggrafo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Stis hmeres poy qa akoloyqhsoyn piqanon na yparjoyn kai nees prwtoboylies apo ton Organismo Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Den to jeroyme, alla kaneis den mporei na to apokleisei. Me ayto to dedomeno, oti, dhladh, oloi ektimoyme oti mporei na yparjoyn tetoies prwtoboylies na perimenoyme na ekdhlwqoyn kai na tis krinoyme otan qa erqei h wra. Ekeino gia to opoio prepei na eiste bebaioi einai oti emeis exoyme safh kai staqerh politikh kai eimaste etoimoi na jekinhsoyme tis diapragmateyseis me afethria to Sxedio Anan, exontas bebaiws katalhjei kai sth grammh, thn opoia qa akoloyqhsoyme. Einai safes oti yparxei stenh synennohsh me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias Glayko Klhridh kai gnwrizete oti shmera h kypriakh kybernhsh exei aposteilei sto G.G. toy OHE tis parathrhseis ths gia ta shmeia poy epiqymei na qesei ypo diapragmateysh.

TAKHS: Sas anhsyxei to gegonos, ws kybernhsh, alla kai ws komma, oti me aformh thn teleytaia dhmoskophsh ths Metron Analysis yparxei mia anodos ths N.D. apo tis 5,5 monades prin apo ton Ioylio stis 7 kai ena peripoy 10% opadwn toy PASOK phgainei sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwta ap ola, epitrecte moy na sas pw oti, otan sygkrinoyme metrhseis ths ayths etaireias, sygkrinoyme tis taseis poy exoyn to idio deigma h ton idio tropo dhmioyrgias toy deigmatos kai epomenws einai sygkrisimes. Se kaqe periptwsh h sygkrish ginetai me tis metrhseis ths idias ths etaireias, ths Metron Analysis, afoy milame gi` ayth thn etaireia h kapoias allhs ayrio, me thn antistoixh metrhsh poy xrhsimopoiei ena analoghs ektashs kai diarqrwshs deigma. Gi` ayto legontai "taseis" kai gi` ayto exoyn kai thn periodikothta. Ara, h sygkrish prepei na ginei me to 8,8 % poy edeije h idia etaireia sto telos toy perasmenoy Ioynioy, arxes Ioylioy, an den kanw laqos. Otan mia etaireia anaptyssei th logikh twn tasewn kai ths periodikothtas shmainei oti dhmioyrgei to deigma me tetoia diarqrwsh kai antilhch poy to ena einai sygkrisimo me to allo. Ayto, toylaxiston, exoyme akoloyqhsei oles tis fores. Ara, h sygkrish, gia na mporoyme na exoyme symperasmata, ginetai me th diafora twn 8,8 monadwn, twn arxwn toy Ioylioy toy 2002. An, loipon, kanoyme ayth th sygkrish mporoyme na bgaloyme to symperasma poy diatypwsa xqes kai to opoio sas epanalambanw. Exw pei, kat` epanalhch -kai se ayto menw staqera- oti kaqe metrhsh exei th dikh ths ajia. Apeikonizei ta dedomena mias sygkekrimenhs xronikhs stigmhs. Kai qa elega oti den xreiazomaste kai tis dhmoskophseis gia na diapistwsoyme oti yparxei beltiwsh ths eikonas ths kybernhshs se mia seira qemata poy einai apotelesma kai twn politikwn prwtoboyliwn poy anaptyssoyme, alla kai ths megalyterhs apotelesmatikothtas ths doyleias mas. Bebaiws, yparxei kai mia ayjanomenh empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy sto proswpo toy Kwsta Shmith, ws Prwqypoyrgoy ths xwras. Ti prepei, loipon, emeis na kanoyme; Na synexisoyme th doyleia mas, na analambanoyme prwtoboylies kai na kaqorizoyme thn politikh atzenta, na mporoyme na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi se orismena qemata poy zhta o ellhnikos laos. Me to ergo, thn prospaqeia mas kai tis prooptikes mas einai sigoyro oti qa mporesoyme na ftasoyme, gia mia akomh fora, sth nikh stis ekloges.

ARGYROS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti o Prwqypoyrgos, para to oti yparxei probadisma ths N.D. 7 monadwn kai sthn parastash nikhs yparxei diafora 32 monadwn, o idios exei probadisma; Kai deyteron, sto mhnyma poy sas stelnei o ellhnikos laos oti prepei na beltiwqeite sthn kaqhmerinothta, qa yparjei allagh politikhs h qa yparjei anasxhmatismos;

PRWTOPAPAS: H prohgoymenh topoqethsh moy apanta kai sta dyo erwthmata sas. Den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy.

MIXAHL: Mas tonisate ta qetika, opws ta blepete eseis, ths dhmoskophshs. Yparxoyn, omws, kai arnhtika. Entajei, prohgeitai to PASOK sta eqnika qemata, sthn Proedria...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sthn oikonomia...

MIXAHL: Kai sthn oikonomia. Alla, me sygxwreite, paideia, ygeia, kaqhmerinothta, egklhmatikothta, se ola ayta h N.D. einai apo panw. Kai anergia. Ayto den sas problhmatizei; Giati, sto katw-katw...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola mas problhmatizoyn kai ola ta meletoyme. Kaqe dhmoskophsh einai meqodos analyshs...

MIXAHL: Bebaiws, alla, me sygxwreite: Me dedomeno, opws kai eseis paradexqhkate -ennow to komma sas, h kybernhsh- oti to apotelesma twn dhmotikwn eklogwn, en pollois, ofeiletai se orismenes perioxes kai se tetoia fainomena, den sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti den pate kala se aytoys toys tomeis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ta meletoyme. Eipa kai prin oti kaqe dhmoskophsh exei th dikh ths ajia kai bohqa, wste na ejaxqoyn xrhsima symperasmata. Ws pros ayto den yparxei kamia amfibolia. Kai yparxoyn orismena zhthmata poy o ellhnikos laos emfanizetai, opws anaferoyn dhmoskophseis, na leei oti exoyme thn yperoxh kai oti dhmioyrgoyme toys kalyteroys oroys gia thn epilysh orismenwn problhmatwn kai se alla zhthmata sta opoia perimenei perissotera apo mas kai leei oti xreiazetai na dwsoyme perissoterh prosoxh kai na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi sth doyleia mas, xwris, bebaia, ayto na shmainei oti se aytoys toys tomeis den exei paraxqei ena pragmati spoydaio ergo apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia. Ti prepei, loipon, na kanoyme; Prepei na synexisoyme th doyleia mas, na synexisoyme thn ylopoihsh toy programmatismoy mas, na antapokriqoyme me apolyth akribeia se ola ayta poy mas zhta o poliths, na fanoyme synepeis stis programmatikes ejaggelies mas, ylopoiwntas aytes sto epakro. Kai na exoyme th bebaiothta oti me thn ylopoihsh toy ergoy mas, me thn anadeijh toy, me thn xarajh twn newn prooptikwn, mporoyme na fqasoyme sth nikh stis epomenes ekloges. Ola, loipon, mas problhmatizoyn. Ta meletoyme, ta ajiopoioyme, beltiwnoyme thn apotelesmatikothta mas, antapokrinomaste sthn apaithsh ylopoihshs toy programmatos mas, ajiopoioyme to ergo poy exoyme kanei kai dhmioyrgoyme tis prooptikes nikhs. Ejalloy, qa deite oti o ellhnikos laos, oysiastika, sta perissotera zhthmata, perimenei apo mas na apanthsoyme qetika sta problhmata toy.

GARGALAKOS: Bgazete to symperasma ws kybernhsh oti prepei na rijete to baros sas sta kaqhmerina problhmata toy polith, kaqoti, apo o,ti fainetai o poliths ta qemata ychlhs politikhs ta eisprattei bebaia, alla den ta ajiologei ws shmantika;

PRWTOPAPAS: O poliths ta ajiologei ola ws poly shmantika. O poliths einai poly logiko na endiaferetai gia ta qemata poy ton apasxoloyn kaqhmerina. Bebaiws, h kybernhsh -eidika mia kybernhsh me thn eyaisqhsia poy diaqetei to PASOK kai th sxesh toy me ta zwntana kinhmata ths koinwnias mas- ofeilei panta, ofeilei se kaqe periptwsh, na blepei kai na antapokrinetai stis apaithseis toy ellhnikoy laoy. Gyrw apo ayto, den yparxei kamia amfibolia. Panta to kanoyme kai prepei na ejakoloyqhsoyme na to kanoyme, me ton pio apotelesmatiko tropo. Na antapokrinomaste stis apaithseis toy ellhnikoy laoy, stis apaithseis kaqe polith. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti o poliths den parakoloyqei kai den sebetai ayta ta zhthmata, ta opoia den qa ta xarakthrisw ychlhs politikhs. Einai zhthmata poy apasxoloyn olh thn ellhnikh koinwnia kai olo ton ellhniko lao. Otan miloyme gia th beltiwsh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai thn anaptyjh ths, otan anaferomaste sta megala erga, otan miloyme gia to aisqhma asfaleias poy synepagetai h patajh ths tromokratias, otan asxoloymaste me tis nees dynatothtes ths asfaleias kai ths anaptyjhs poy prosferei h ejwterikh politikh mas, ola ayta einai zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me ton polith, me th zwh toy. Den prokeitai gia thn askhsh mias afhrhmenhs ychlhs politikhs, giati exoyn na kanoyn amesa me th zwh kaqe polith. Gia paradeigma, an ayrio xarh sthn politikh poy akoloyqoyme ston ejwteriko tomea, mporesoyme na meiwsoyme toys ejoplismoys qa prosferoyme akomh perissotera ston tomea ths koinwnikhs politikhs. Deyteron, an mesa apo thn anaptyjh poy prosferoyn ta megala erga kai h beltiwsh ths oikonomias odhghqoyme se akomh perissoteres qeseis ergasias kai meiwsh ths anergias, ayto einai pros ofelos toy polith. Ayta einai qemata poy exoyn amesh sxesh me th beltiwsh toy biotikoy epipedoy toy Ellhna polith, ta opoia qa feroyme se peras kai o laos qa to ektimhsei sthn prajh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa yparjei epanasxediasmos basikwn parametrwn ths politikhs se ayta poy leme "krisimoys tomeis kaqhmerinothtas" h aplws, opws eipate prohgoymenws, qa yparjei mia entash ths doyleias gia na ylopoihsete ayta ta opoia hdh exete ejaggeilei kai gia ta opoia exete desmeyqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi dhmoskophseis einai ergaleia poy bohqoyn, alla den mporoyn na kaqorizoyn thn politikh poy qa askhsei h kybernhsh. Synexizoyme to ergo mas, efarmozontas staqera thn politikh mas. Bebaiws, kaqe fora, anagnwrizame ta problhmata poy proekyptan mesa apo tis katagrafes, alla synexizame staqera thn politikh mas kai eidate oti kerdisame tis ekloges. Alla, den prepei na diakatexomaste apo to syndromo toy Makbeq. To exw janapei. H politikh mas einai kaqorismenh kai einai ayth poy exei chfisei o ellhnikos laos. Badizoyme staqera se ayth thn politikh. Opoy xreiazetai na ginetai pio apodotikh, pio apotelesmatikh, einai safes oti to kanoyme.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Mporeite na moy peite, ean symfwneite me ta osa eipe xqes se synenteyjh Typoy stoys armodioys syntaktes o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Tsoxatzopoylos, oti den yparxoyn kroysmata kerdoskopias sthn agora, den yparxei kyma anatimhsewn kai oti ola ayta, en oligois, ofeilontai ston tropo me ton opoio paroysiazoyn ayta ta qemata ta MME;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prepei na apomonwnoyme shmeia apo dhlwseis h na prospaqoyme na emfanisoyme apla kai mono kapoioys titloys. Qa bgalete ta symperasmata sas, an diabasete oloklhrh th synenteyjh poy edwse o k. Tsoxatzopoylos xqes, to periexomeno ths opoias estiazetai sth qesh oti oloi prepei na symbaloyme ston agwna poy ginetai gia thn prostasia toy katanalwth.

GARGALAKOS: Gia na epanelqoyme sto Kypriako, apo tis plhrofories poy fqanoyn sthn kybernhsh, exete thn aisqhsh oti o dieqnhs paragontas qa epidiwjei thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy prin apo thn entajh ths Kyproy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes. Pisteyw oti opoios kanei analysh stis politikes ejelijeis, parathrei oti olh h Dieqnhs Koinothta epidiwkei na yparjoyn ejelijeis sto politiko problhma ths Kyproy, prin apo th Synodo Koryfhs sthn Kopegxagh. Poies qa einai aytes oi ejelijeis, einai fysiko oti den mporoyme na prosdiorisoyme me akribeia. Yparxei xronos gia na epiteyxqei epilysh toy politikoy problhmatos; Ta periqwria exoyn stenecei para poly. Dioti einai safes oti gia na fqasoyme se mia symfwnia xreiazetai na ginei kai mia oysiastikh diapragmateysh. Kai ta periqwria exoyn stenecei para poly me eyqynh ths toyrkikhs kai ths toyrkokypriakhs pleyras. Einai profanes oti h Dieqnhs Koinothta kai o OHE -ayto xwris na yparxoyn plhrofories, ayth einai h problech- qa analaboyn kai nees prwtoboylies mexri thn Kopegxagh. Den gnwrizoyme poies qa einai aytes. Einai, epishs, safes oti h taktikh thn opoia akoloyqoyme, apodeiknyei oti emeis exoyme qetikh symbolh sthn prooptikh epilyshs toy politikoy problhmatos ths Kyproy, exontas kanei o,ti einai dynato, bebaiws sto plaisio ths politikhs mas. Katalabainete, oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme, bohqa th genikoterh prospaqeia mas, thn opoia exoyme ws synolo mprosta mas kai thn prowqoyme.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Yparxei, ayth th stigmh, mia entonh prospaqeia apo to dieqnh paragonta -oxi mono apo to G.G. toy OHE, alla kai apo thn E.E.- na breqei lysh mexri thn Kopegxagh. Moy kanei entypwsh, poy sthrizontai; Mhpws mporeite na mas dwsete kapoia apoch;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti prospaqoyn gia lysh toy problhmatos, h opoia qa wfelhsei olh thn perioxh. Einai logiko h Dieqnhs Koinothta kai h E.E. na to epiqymei. Emeis pisteyoyme oti h epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos qa einai ejelijh qetikh kai gia thn ellhnikh kai thn kypriakh pleyra, alla kai gia olh thn perioxh. Akomh kai gia thn Toyrkia se sxesh me thn eyrwpaikh poreia kai to mellon ths. Einai profanes oti h Dieqnhs Koinothta kai h E.E. -den mporei kaneis na to apokleisei- piqanon na analaboyn nees prwtoboylies. Ejalloy, to exei proanaggeilei o G.G. toy OHE, zhtwntas graptws tis apoceis twn dyo merwn gia ta shmeia poy epiqymoyn diapragmateyseis. Ean me rwtate, ean blepw piqanh thn epilysh mexri th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs, sas lew oti einai eyktaia. Qelw, omws, na epishmanw oti einai idiaitera apagoreytika ta xronika periqwria kai oti xreiazetai na ginei mia oysiastikh diapragmateysh, wste na mporesoyme na katalhjoyme h na mporesoyme na katalhjoyme ekei poy qa diapragmateyqoyme. Ayto to exei pei kai o Proedros Klhridhs kai o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos. Epomenws, kataballoyme kaqe dynath prospaqeia. Opws eidate eimaste qetikoi sta qemata poy qetei o G.G. toy OHE, se sxesh me tis apanthseis mas kai th synepeia apenanti sthn prooptikh enarjhs twn diapragmateysewn. O logos anhkei se ekeino, o opoios synhqws parakwlyei kai dhmioyrgei empodia, dhladh, sthn toyrkikh pleyra.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H toyrkikh pleyra paramenei adiallakth, dioti sthn epistolh poy esteile ston G.G. zhta na mhn proxwrhsei h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. efoson prospaqoyme na epilysoyme to Kypriako.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw oti h entajh ths Kyproy einai ena teleiws diaforetiko zhthma.

ANTYPAS: Gnwrizei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, ean yparxei diapragmateysh anamesa sthn kypriakh kybernhsh kai thn toyrkokypriakh pleyra se opoiodhpote epipedo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Diapragmateysh anamesa sthn kypriakh kybernhsh kai thn toyrkokypriakh pleyra den yparxei. Kata kairoys exoyn ginei epafes. Alla oxi me thn ennoia ths diapragmateyshs epi toy Sxedioy Anan.

MIXAHL: Me sygxwreite poy parembainw, oles aytes oi epistoles, oi parathrhseis...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas ypenqymizw oti einai pros ton OHE, oxi pros thn toyrkokypriakh pleyra. Me rwthsate gia apeyqeias syzhthseis kai sas apanthsa oti ginontai pros ton OHE.

ANTYPAS: Dhladh, sto diasthma poy exei mesolabhsei apo thn kataqesh toy Sxedioy Anan mexri shmera, den exei yparjei kamia epafh anamesa stis dyo pleyres;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me rwthsate gia diapragmateysh. Diapragmateysh den exei yparjei.

ANTYPAS: Ennow epi toy Sxedioy Anan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas epanalambanw oti diapragmateysh den exei yparjei. Makari na eixe yparjei, sto plaisio toy OHE panta. Dystyxws den exei yparjei.

BITALHS: Epeidh epanalabate kai shmera oti qa htan eyktaia h lysh, alla ta xronika periqwria exoyn stenecei kai emeis qeloyme oysiastikh diapragmateysh, tiqetai ena erwthma. Pote teleiwnoyn ayta ta periqwria, gia mia oysiastikh diapragmateysh. Shmera exoyme 4 toy mhnos, stis 12 jekina h Synodos sthn Kopegxagh. H ellhnikh pleyra exei qesei kapoio orio sto xroniko periqwrio, dhladh, oti mexri thn Pempth mporoyme na jekinhsoyme mia syzhthsh. Thn allh ebdomada, kata th diarkeia ths Synodoy, einai dyskolo. Exete jekaqarisei kati tetoio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi diapragmateyseis mporei na jekinhsoyn akoma kai thn paramonh ths Synodoy. Poio einai to problhma;

BITALHS: Oi diapragmateyseis, alla eseis milate kai gia epilysh. Eipate ``eyktaia h lysh''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Hmoyn safhs. Eipa oti oi diapragmateyseis mporei na jekinhsoyn. Exw pei, kat epanalhch, oti den desmeyomaste se tipota, wste na jekinhsoyme tis diapragmateyseis gia na yparjei mia oysiastikh proodos, prin apo th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs kai na synexisoyme tis diapragmateyseis, me th nea dynamikh poy qa exei dwsei kai h Synodos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy.

BITALHS: Isws, den egina safhs. Diatypwnw pio sygkekrimena to erwthma. Mporeite na exete diapragmateysh kai katalhjh lyshs apo ayrio-meqayrio mexri kai thn Kopegxagh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti blepoyme ayta ta xronika periqwria idiaitera stena. Milhsa gia oysiastikh diapragmateysh. Bazame kapoies safeis, apolytes kateyqynseis. Apo kei kai pera, prospaqoyme panta na ejantloyme thn kalh pisth kai qa shmeiwsate me posh prosoxh to kanoyme, olo ayto to xroniko diasthma. Se kanena apo ta problhmata poy dhmioyrgoyntai den qa ftaiei h ellhnikh kai h ellhnokypriakh pleyra. Eimai safhs;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Einai safestato ayto, kyrie Ypoyrge, oti h arnhtikh einai h toyrkikh pleyra, alla milate mexri tis 12 Dekembrioy gia ena plaisio lyshs, to opoio qa ypografei kai apo tis dyo pleyres; Ekei odhgoymeqa, wste na synexistei o dialogos to Martio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti mporei na jekinhsei h diapragmateysh kai hmoyn safhs. Me th dynamikh poy qa dwsei h Synodos sthn Kopegxagh mporei na synexistei.

ZOYLAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ena texniko qema. Ean, opws deixnoyn ola, entaxqei diairemenh h Kypros sthn E.E., pros to paron toylaxiston, exei erqei se epafh h kybernhsh me tis nomikes yphresies twn Bryjellwn gia ton tropo poy qa ginei h entajh, me thn ennoia oti to koinotiko kekthmeno, ek twn pragmatwn, den qa efarmozetai sto boreio tmhma, epomenws qa yparjei mia proswrinh estw, alla emmesh anagnwrish, ths prasinhs grammhs. Dhladh, mexri poioy shmeioy qa efarmozetai to koinotiko kekthmeno;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayta ta qemata qa lyqoyn apo toys nomikoys. Ayto poy exw na pw einai oti profanws yparxoyn eidikes epejergasies, poy kai ayth th stigmh, ginontai stis nomikes yphresies ths E.E. Dioti akribws einai mia katastash poy qelei eidikh nomikh epejergasia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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