Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-12-03

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 3 Dekembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS

ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sxoliasete ena eggrafo ths E.E., to opoio dhmosieyetai shmera sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'', poy oyte ligo oyte poly, mas leei oti den prokeitai na yparjei entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. ean prwta den yparjei lysh toy Kypriakoy. Ean ayto einai pragmatiko -kai oi plhrofories lene oti to sxedio hrqe apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths Elladas, oti yphrxe dhladh- shmainei oti katargoyntai oi apofaseis toy Elsinki, stis paramones, ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Kopegxaghs. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Tetoio eggrafo, oyte exei teqei ypoch mas mexri shmera, oyte exei doqei se opoiodhpote allo kratos-melos ths E.E, oyte apo thn Commission, oyte apo thn Proedria. Epeidh epikoinwnhsa me to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai me ton presbh mas sth Monimh Ellhnikh Antiproswpeia, prepei na sas pw oti den problepetai syzhthsh me tetoio qema, kata th diarkeia ths synedriashs twn monimwn antiproswpwn. Epomenws, apo th stigmh, poy kati tetoio den exei teqei ypoch mas, oyte kai se kapoio allo kratos-melos ths E.E., oyte exei doqei pros syzhthsh apo thn E.E. h thn Proedria, den nomizw oti mporoyme na topoqethqoyme.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epomenws, diaceydete ayto to eggrafo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai para poly safhs. Ap o,ti plhroforhqhka, tetoio eggrafo den exei doqei oyte se mas, oyte se allo kratos-melos ths E.E., den exei doqei apo thn E.E. h thn Proedria kai den problepetai syzhthsh tetoioy qematos sth synedriash twn monimwn antiproswpwn.

BITALHS: Tote to sxolio anwtaths diplwmatikhs phghs kai paragonta toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, sthn idia efhmerida, oti malista yparxei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa qelame na doyme kai ta onomata, dioti den ta jeroyme, ean mas dieykolynei o synadelfos sas. Epanalambanw oti ta lew ola ayta, afoy exei prohghqei epikoinwnia me to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai ton Ellhna presbh stis Bryjelles k. Agaqoklh.

ANTYPAS: Yparxei kai h prwinh dhlwsh toy k. Meler, meta th synanthsh toy me ton Karamanlh, o opoios dhlwse oti qa synypologistoyn ola gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn Kopegxagh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw tis dhlwseis toy k. Meler. En pash periptwsei, einai safes oti idiaitera emeis epiqymoyme na breqei lysh sto Kypriako, na lyqei to politiko problhma ths Kyproy, me dikaiosynh kai diasfalish ths biwsimothtas, prin th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs. Kai oxi mono to epiqymoyme, alla symballoyme idiaitera me th stash kai tis politikes prwtoboylies mas. Qelw pantws na epanalabw kai na tonisw oti se kamia periptwsh den einai dynaton na proxwrhsei h dieyrynsh ths E.E. xwris thn Kypro. Kai ayto prepei na to katalaboyn kala oloi.

Me aformh kai thn erwthsh sas, qa hqela na sas plhroforhsw oti th Deytera (9.12), stis 9:30 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei sth Madrith me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Ispanias Xose Maria Aqnar.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epomenws, ap o,ti mas lete, h Ellada einai apofasismenh, endexomenws, na qesei @veto@, ean par elpida, den ylopoihqei h apofash toy Elsinki kai den mpei h Kypros sthn E.E., sthn Kopegxagh, me lymeno h alyto to Kypriako.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai poly safhs. Emeis qeloyme, doyleyoyme kai prospaqoyme me tis prwtoboylies poy analambanoyme na lyqei to politiko problhma ths Kyproy prin th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs. Bebaiws, panta me ta xarakthristika ths dikaiosynhs kai ths biwsimothtas ws pros thn telikh lysh. Anejarthta, omws, apo ayto prepei na proxwrhsei, opws akribws apofasisame stis Bryjelles, h entajh ths Kyproy. H Kypros plhroi ola ta krithria. Den einai, loipon, dynaton na pragmatopoihqei dieyrynsh xwris thn entajh ths Kyproy. Se ayto eimaste apolyta safeis kai apofasismenoi.

POYLIDOY: Diadikastika qa hqela na rwthsw, ean isxyei to bradino ranteboy ths Deyteras toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Pat Koj;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei ayqhmeron apo th Madrith.

TAKHS: Se erwthsh poy egine sto Dano ypoyrgo gia to an h Ellada qa qesei veto kai ti akribws qa ginei, apanthse oti to problhma tote qa to exei h ellhnikh Proedria kai h Ellada .

PRWTOPAPAS: Fantazomai oti mia tetoia ejelijh qa einai zhthma gia olh thn Eyrwph, dioti h dieyrynsh afora olh thn Eyrwph. Emeis qeloyme na ginei h dieyrynsh, symfwna me ta krithria poy exoyn teqei, opws akribws apofasisthke stis Bryjelles. Den yparxei kanenas logos gia na allajei ayth h apofash. Epomenws, emeis etsi proxwroyme. Den einai dynato na ginei h dieyrynsh, an h xwra poy plhroi prwth ta krithria, dhladh h Kypros, den entaxqei prwth sto prwto kyma ths dieyrynshs, opws exoyme epaneilhmmena pei.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Anejarthta an yparxei h oxi ayto to eggrafo, liges hmeres prin thn Kopegxagh diablepete, se epipedo politikoy klimatos, mia sklhrynsh ths stashs ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas kai syndesh, estw kai oxi typika h epishma an qelete, twn dyo qematwn; Giati yparxei kai mia plhroforia, poy grafetai shmera stis efhmerides, poy qelei ton k. Anan na pairnei pisw to Sxedio, na kanei beltiwseis, symfwna me tis syzhthseis poy exoyn ginei kai na to epanaferei prin apo thn Kopegxagh me th morfh toy "take it or leave it". Olo ayto to skhniko kai oles aytes oi plhrofories pisteyete oti allazoyn to klima, toylaxiston me osa gnwrizame, phgainontas pros thn Kopegxagh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxoyn tetoia gegonota. Piqanon na yparxoyn ektimhseis, oi opoies ginontai eite apo synadelfoys sas, eite apo politikoys paragontes. Ektimhseis mporei na ginontai kai kaqenas mporei na lambanei ta metra toy gia mia seira piqana senaria, pio dyskola, wste na einai etoimos gia kaqena apo ayta. Den mporoyme, omws, edw na miloyme gia senaria. Edw qa milhsoyme gia gegonota.

Ayth th stigmh, ejelissontai dyo parallhla qemata.

To prwto apo ayta, einai h prospaqeia epilyshs toy kypriakoy problhmatos kai na symbaloyme qetika se aythn. To kanoyme kai emeis kai h kypriakh pleyra me synexeis prwtoboylies. Ayto qelei olh h Dieqnhs Koinothta. Gnwrizete tis apoceis poy exoyn anaptyxqei apo para polloys se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Einai, epishs, gnwsto oti to Eqniko Symboylio ths Kyproy anamenetai shmera h ayrio, piqanon shmera -ayto qa kriqei apo th synedriash toy, h opoia den exei lhjei akomh- na apanthsei me bash to aithma toy G.G. toy OHE k. Anan gia tis apoceis ths kypriakhs pleyras. Den gnwrizoyme an ayto qa kanei kai h toyrkokypriakh pleyra. Fainetai, kat` arxas, mia diafora anamesa sth stash ths dikhs mas pleyras kai th stash ths Toyrkias kai twn toyrkokypriwn. Emeis pantws, se kaqe periptwsh, qa katabaloyme prospaqeies, wste na yparjei symfwnia epi ths arxhs prin thn Kopegxagh. Ayto einai safes. Ean ayto den ginei dynaton -kai einai safes oti h eyqynh qa anhkei sthn toyrkikh kai thn toyrkokypriakh pleyra poy kwlysierghsan- oi diapragmateyseis mporei na synexistoyn kai meta thn Kopegxagh, wste na ejeyreqei lysh.

To deytero qema einai h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Ayth prepei na proxwrhsei me bash thn apofash twn Bryjellwn. Eimaste apolyta safeis se ayto.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pianomai apo th frash sas "emeis epiqymoyme mia symfwnia epi ths arxhs". Epeidh prohgoymenws, apantwntas sto erwthma moy, eipate oti epiqymoyme lysh toy Kypriakoy prin thn Kopegxagh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Me thn ennoia ths symfwnias epi ths arxhs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: ...nomizete oti me ta shmerina dedomena, me thn piesh toy xronoy, me thn arnhtikh toyrkikh stash, einai pote dynato, mesa se 10 hmeres, na ejeyreqei koina apodekth lysh toy Kypriakoy, wste na proxwrhsoyme kai sthn entajh ths Kyproy, an ayta ta dyo syndeontai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ektimw oti einai dyskolo, logw twn asfyktikwn xronikwn proqesmiwn. Omws, politika -kai se ayto qa epimeinw- emeis epiqymoyme na prowqhqei h diadikasia epilyshs toy politikoy problhmatos ths Kyproy me mia symfwnia epi ths arxhs prin thn Kopegxagh. Kai ergazomaste gi` ayto. Katanooyme oti yparxoyn asfyktikes xronikes proqesmies kai oti ayto einai idiaitera dyskolo. Ean ayto, loipon, den epiteyxqei mexri tote, qa synexisoyme tis diapragmateyseis me nea dynamikh, wste na katalhjoyme sth lysh. Ayth einai -epanalambanw- h safhs qesh mas. Exei idiaiterh shmasia na ejakoloyqoyme na kratame thn prwtoboylia twn kinhsewn, na eimaste emeis ekeinoi poy dinoyme ton tono ths qetikhs symbolhs stis prospaqeies ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: To katalabainw kai qa moy epitrecete na epektaqw. Epeidh, xqes, o k. Klhridhs ekane mia dhlwsh -dioti yparxei mia piestikh kinhsh idiaitera apo th bretanikh kybernhsh na apodexqoyme to Sxedio opws exei h en pash periptwsei me kapoies mikres allages mexri thn Kopegxagh- kai eipe oti den prokeitai na balei thn ypografh toy se sxedio to opoio qa einai enantia stis qeseis toy kypriakoy laoy. Yparxoyn pieseis sthn ellhnikh kai an qelete kai pros thn kypriakh kybernhsh na apodexqoyme to Sxedio Anan prin pame sthn Kopegxagh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pieseis, me thn ennoia poy to lete, den exw dei. H Dieqnhs Koinothta epiqymei na proxwrhsei h epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos prin thn Kopegxagh. Kai emeis to epiqymoyme kai exoyme doylecei gi` ayto. An malista den yphrxe h kwlysiergia ths toyrkikhs kai ths toyrkokypriakhs pleyras isws ayto na htan piqanon. Ayto den shmainei oti den qa ginei h diapragmateysh. Oydepote eipame kati tetoio. Orioqetoyme politika to oti emeis epiqymoyme kai ejakoloyqoyme na lambanoyme prwtoboylies pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, dioti oloi katalabainoyme oti ta xronika periqwria, ayth th stigmh, einai asfyktika. Tonizoyme, omws, oti an logw toy xronoy den prolabainoyme, ayto den shmainei oti oi diapragmateyseis den qa synexistoyn me thn idia dynamikh poy dinei kai h enarjh kai h oysiastikopoihsh toys gia na oloklhrwqoyn meta thn Kopegxagh. Prepei, se kaqe periptwsh, anejarthta apo to apotelesma gia to politiko qema ths Kyproy na exoyme apodeijei se oloys oti katabalame kaqe qetikh, kaqe dynath prospaqeia, xwris ayto na shmainei oti oloklhrwnoyme tis qeseis mas.

TAKHS: Shmera ypografhke apo ton k. Flwridh h apofash gia na katablhqei to poso twn 4,6 dis. ston tews. O k. Flwridhs mas eipe oti qa katateqei sto onoma Kwnstantinos, prwhn basileys twn Ellhnwn kai oti mporei o idios na erqei na parei to poso apo thn Eforia sthn opoia kateqete th forologikh dhlwsh toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Olh h diadikasia ginetai me bash th nomikh proswpikothta poy exei anagnwrisei to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio twn Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn. Dhladh, otan egine h prosfygh sto Dikasthrio toy Strasboyrgoy anagnwristhke kapoia nomikh proswpikothta apo to idio to Dikasthrio. Me bash thn poreia ths dikastikhs ypoqeshs kai thn antimetwpish toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy qa ginei kai h ektamieysh.

TAKHS: Sas rwthsa gia to endexomeno na erqei o idios na parei to poso. Gnwrizete me poio eggrafo qa erqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, prepei na thrhqoyn osa problepoyn oi nomoi kai oi sxetikes diatajeis. Prepei, dhladh, na exei tajidiwtika eggrafa, diabathrio, ean qelei na erqei edw.

BITALHS: Lete, dhladh, oti qa ginei dektos me to diabathrio poy exei hdh, epeidh to anagnwrise ayto, en pash periptwsei ws nomikh proswpikothta, to Strasboyrgo.

PRWTOPAPAS: H diadikasia toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy toy Strasboyrgoy -oxi h apofash- anagnwrise kapoia nomikh proswpikothta gia na ginei h prosfygh. Alliws den qa ejetazontan. Praktika, ayto shmainei oti me bash thn eyrwpaikh nomoqesia, o tews mporei na paei na eisprajei to poso poy toy epidikasthke.

BITALHS: Ws ``Kwnstantinos'' kai ws`` basileys twn Ellhnwn''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me th nomikh proswpikothta me thn opoia emfanisthke sto

Strasboyrgo kai thn opoia ekane apodekth, apo th stigmh poy syzhthse thn aithsh toy, to Dikasthrio twn Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn. Hmoyn safestatos. Den katalabainw poio einai to problhma.

TAKHS: Ara, dexeste ena diabathrio poy leei ``Kwnstantinos, prwhn basileys twn Ellhnwn''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan egine h prosfygh, to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio dexqhke na syzhthsei thn ypoqesh. Kai dexqhke me bash mia nomikh proswpikothta, poy profanws eixe na kanei me thn thrhsh ths eyrwpaikhs nomoqesias. Apo th stigmh poy to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio to dexqhke kai proxwrhse h ypoqesh kai epidikasthke h apozhmiwsh -ayth h mikrh, h elaxisth apozhmiwsh poy epidikasthke se sxesh me tis apaithseis twn 500 dis- qa prepei na katablhqei se ekeinh th nomikh proswpikothta poy anaferetai sthn apofash. Den mporoyme na kanoyme kati allo.

TAKHS: Dhladh, eseis ena diabathrio poy leei ``Kwnstantinos, prwhn basileys twn Ellhnwn'', to dexeste.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa, opws qelw na apanthsw kai prosexw para poly kala pws apantw.

BITALHS: Ayth h apodoxh ths nomikhs proswpikothtas poy exei anagnwrisei to Dikasthrio toy Strasboyrgoy, einai sto dihnekes h apaj gia thn ektamieysh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto exei na kanei me th diadikasia ths ektamieyshs kai opws gnwrizete h diadikasia ayth den periorizetai sto eswteriko ths xwras. Yparxoyn sxetikes diadikasies gia na ginei h ektamieysh. Apo kei kai pera, yparxoyn nomoi, keimenes diatajeis kai kapoia alla zhthmata -ta anefere prosfata o k. Benizelos kata th diarkeia mias parembashs toy- ta opoia qa ejetasoyme otan erqei h wra. Yparxei seira diatajewn, tis opoies xrhsimopoioyme h oxi. Einai qema poy menei sth diakritikh eyxereia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

PITTARAS: Estw kai me kaqysterhsh pollwn xronwn, h Alejia phre qesh kai milwntas sthn ispanikh thleorash, eipe oti ayto poy hqelan den htan h apozhmiwsh, alla to spiti toys sthn Ellada.

PRWTOPAPAS: As mh geliomaste. Ayto poy hqelan aytoi oi anqrwpoi htan xrhmata. Polla xrhmata. Opws apokalycan egkritoi nomikoi -kai etsi einai ta pragmata- aytoi oi anqrwpoi hqelan posa poy efqanan mexri 500 dis draxmes. Xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy. Akoloyqhsan kinhseis, meqodeyseis se baros toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayta hqelan aytoi oi anqrwpoi. Kai oi meqodeyseis toys den perasan xarh stis energeies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Ayto einai pragmatikothta.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Shmera, kyrie Ypoyrge, dhmosieyetai h prwth apo tis dyo dhmoskophseis, poy perimenoyme ayth thn ebdomada, ths ``METRON ANALYSIS''. Symfwna me tis plhrofories poy exoyme katagrafei mia diafora 7 monadwn, anamesa sto PASOK kai th N.D. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei ena problhma ayth th stigmh: Den exw parei sta xeria th dhmoskophsh. Qa hqela na sas parakalesw na perimenete, oxi na sxoliasw, alla thn topoqethsh moy, meta to peras th synanthshs mas.

A. PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa qelate na sxoliasete mia ekqesh toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs gia th diafqora sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh, poy h ellhnikh kybernhsh qelei na parameinei aporrhth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kamia ekqesh toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs h alloy Dieqnoys Organismoy den qelei h kybernhsh na meinei aporrhth. Oydepote qelhse kati tetoio kai oydepote exei parembei gia ayto. Ayta ta pragmata den isxyoyn. Oson afora to qema ths diafqoras sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh, gnwrizete oti exei prowqhqei kai qa efarmostei -kai malista aysthra- nomos gia thn idrysh eidikoy swmatos, poy proorizetai na xtyphsei, na patajei me sygkekrimena metra kai energeies, ta opoia fainomena diafqoras yparxoyn. Ayto na eiste bebaioi oti qa ginei. Einai apofash mas. Den prokeitai na anextoyme th diaiwnish ayths ths katastashs poy talaipwrei ton polith.

Sas eyxaristw.

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