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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Noembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: Yparxei mia plhroforia oti o k. Anan synomilhse me ton k. Ntenktas, o opoios toy zhthse paratash xronoy. Gnwrizete an egine kati tetoio; An deyteron isxyei ayto gia thn toyrkokypriakh pleyra, isxyei kai gia thn ellhnokypriakh pleyra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Tetoio qema den exei diatypwqei apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, kai, ej oswn gnwrizw, den exei diatypwqei oyte apo thn pleyra ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias. Bebaiws, gnwrizoyme, apo tis plhrofories poy yparxoyn, oti ena tetoio aithma exei diatypwsei o Toyrkokyprios hgeths. Ayto einai qema poy afora ton OHE. Me aformh thn erwthsh sas, qelw na pw oti, prin apo ligo, yphrjan dhlwseis toy Toyrkoy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Gkioyrel, idiaitera entones kai arnhtikes. Qelw na tonisw oti se kaqe periptwsh kai apo aytes tis dhlwseis apodeiknyetai oti emeis prepei na proxwroyme sthn kateyqynsh poy exoyme xarajei enwmenoi, me omocyxia kai apofasistikothta. Ayth einai h kalyterh apanthsh.

GIANNISHS: Epibebaiwnete oti yphrje thlefwnikh epikoinwnia metajy twn kyriwn Shmith kai Erntogan; Yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories oti o k. Erntogan exei pei ston Prwqypoyrgo oti, enw o idios qa htan diateqeimenos na einai pio diallaktikos, ypoxrewqhke na ypanaxwrhsei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Ayto to leei o k. Gkioyrel, shmera. Emeis den exoyme tetoia plhroforhsh kai bebaiws den exoyme kamia diaqesh na anakateytoyme sta eswterika ths Toyrkias. Perimenoyme ton k. Ertnogan, th Deytera. Qa anaptyjoyme tis apoceis mas ston hgeth toy kommatos poy pleiochfhse stis toyrkikes ekloges. Pisteyoyme oti ekeino poy emeis prepei na krathsoyme -to epanalambanw giati einai krisimo- einai h aparaithth omocyxia kai enothta, se aytes tis idiaitera shmantikes, gia thn tyxh ths Kyproy, stigmes.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pragmati, h dhlwsh ayth toy k. Gkioyrel einai opws thn eipate. To erwthma einai to ejhs: Ayth thn wra epeidh yparxei arnhtikh qesh apo pleyras Toyrkias, oson afora to xronodiagramma -poy, opws eipe o k. Gkioyrel, einai poly grhgoro gia na bgaloyme symperasmata- dierwtwmai to ejhs: Ayth thn wra den yparxei synomilhths apo thn allh pleyra. Ti epiptwseis qa exei ayth h arnhtikh qesh ths Toyrkias sto olo skhniko, oson afora to sxedio Anan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws sas eipa, h toyrkokypriakh pleyra mexri twra fainetai oti exei zhthsei kapoia anabolh stis hmeromhnies poy exei proteinei o k. Anan. Ayto einai ena qema poy afora ton OHE. Opws jerete emeis den exoyme zhthsei kati tetoio. Opws, epishs gnwrizete epomenh synedriash toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy ths Kyproy -h opoia panta exei ton prwto logo- einai prosdiorismenh gia th Deytera. Kai ayto giati o Proedros Klhridhs ekrine -kai kata th gnwmh mas ekrine orqa- oti qa apanthsei mesa sto xronodiagramma poy exei qesei, oxi bebaiws ypo thn ennoia, opws grafthke, ths pieshs, mesa sto xronodiagramma poy exei zhthsei na efarmostei o G.G. toy OHE.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Symperainw, loipon, oti to Sabbato poy qa erqei o k. Klhridhs kai qa exei synomilies me ton k. Shmith, h apanthsh ths Elladas qa einai symfwnh gia na apotelesei bash diapragmateyshs to sxedio Anan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi, dioti opws gnwrizete prepei na apofasisei to Eqniko Symboylio ths Kyproy. Bebaiws qa exei diaboyleyseis me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai den sas kryboyme oti stis diaboyleyseis oi dyo hgetes syzhtoyn panta anoixta kai epidiwkoyn th synantilhch kai th stenh synergasia. Mexri twra thn exoyn petyxei. Alla, armodios gia na apofasisei einai panta o Proedros Klhridhs kai h kybernhsh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias meta apo th gnwmh toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Exei, omws, barythta kai h gnwmh toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws kai exei barythta. Sas eipa oti qa yparxei stenh synergasia kai synantilhch. Na eiste bebaios gi` ayto. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, se kaqe periptwsh h apanthsh ths Kyproy qa doqei symfwna me to xronodiagramma poy o idios o Proedros Klhridhs exei anakoinwsei.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ti sxolio exete gia ta asfyktika xronodiagrammata poy periexontai sto sxedio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai eyktaio kai prin apo th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs na exei ypografei ayto to Foundation Agreement metajy twn dyo koinothtwn. Kaneis den leei na mh ginei kati tetoio. Alla ayto apo to idio to keimeno toy k. Kofi Anan den prokyptei oti exei teqei ws ekbiastikh, opws grafthke, proqesmia. Mporw na sas diabasw to sxetiko apospasma, qa hqela, omws, na sas jekaqarisw oti h metafrash einai anepishmh: "H prwth fash ths lyshs qa htan oloklhrwmenh me thn ypografh apo toys dyo hgetes, oxi argotera apo tis prwtes meres toy Dekembrioy kai prin apo th Synodo toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy sthn Kopegxagh, ths synolikhs dieyqethshs toy kypriakoy problhmatos". H prwth fash qa htan oloklhrwmenh@

TSIBOLA: H prwth paragrafos, omws, leei oti ypologizetai h anagkh, safws h anagkh gia mia jekaqarh nomikh bash diakybernhshs ths Kyproy, apo thn prwth stigmh poy qa teqei se isxy kai thn anagkh ola ta sxetika qemata na epilyqoyn apofasistika prin apo th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa jana, opws fainetai kai apo thn prwth kai apo th deyterh paragrafo -gi` ayto milaei o G.G. gia oloklhrwsh ths prwths fashs- oti h prwth fash qa htan oloklhrwmenh. Ayto prokeitai gia epidiwjh toy OHE. Bebaiws kai emeis leme oti pragmatika qa htan qetiko oi dyo koinothtes na exoyn proxwrhsei to dialogo kai na exoyn katalhjei se ena prwto sxedio, se mia prwth symfwnia arxhs prin apo th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs. Ayto, omws, se kamia periptwsh opws prokyptei kai apo to keimeno toy G.G. den tiqetai ws aparaithtos oros. An oi diapragmateyseis, loipon, proxwroyn kai proxwroyn kala, den shmainei oti qa prepei na teqei ws apokleistikh proqesmia h Synodos ths Kopegxaghs. Kai den qa prepei na proxwrhsoyn kai na katalhjoyn piqanws se mia symfwnia epi ths arxhs kai sth synexeia. Ejalloy, opws gnwrizete, hdh h toyrkokypriakh pleyra exei zhthsei paratash kai ths arxikhs proqesmias gia thn arxikh apanthsh kai den jeroyme ti qa kanei o OHE. Se kaqe periptwsh, loipon, to krisimo zhthma -kai etsi prepei na to antilhfqoyme- einai na jekinhsei o dialogos. Na jekinhsei ayth h epoikodomhtikh diapragmateysh me afethria thn protash toy OHE. Ayth kata th gnwmh mas -ejalloy to exoyme ekfrasei- einai h beltisth lysh. Bebaiws, qa kaqorisoyme th diapragmateytikh grammh, panta se synennohsh me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia poy exei ton prwto logo, alla kapoia zhthmata, idiaitera se o,ti afora tis eggyhseis kai ta qemata asfaleias, alla kai sta qemata toy eyrwpaikoy kekthmenoy exoyme logo kai emeis. Panta analambanoyme tis eyqynes mas, se stenh synennohsh me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia. To krisimo zhthma einai na jekinhsei o dialogos. Kalo qa einai na katalhjoyme se mia symfwnia epi ths arxhs prin apo th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs. An, omws, ayto den ginei den shmainei, oyte oti yparxei kanena qema gia thn entajh -kai qelw na to kanw safes ayto-, oyte oti oi diapragmateyseis den mporei na synexistoyn.

BITALHS: Akoysa ta epixeirhmata sas, wstoso...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn ekfrastei kai dia toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn.

BITALHS: Bebaiws. Omws, yparxei ena erwthma edw: O Proedros Klhridhs, opws kai eseis gnwrizete, sth synedriash toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy, proxqes sthn Kypro, kai bghke xqes ayto kai epibebaiwqhke apo to sxetiko thlegrafhma toy APE, eipe oti prepei na exoyme katalhjei, me bash o,ti mas eipe o k. Anan se symfwnia mexri th Synodo Koryfhs ths Kopegxaghs. Ayto eipe o k. Klhridhs, sygkekrimena.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi plhrofories sas, piqana...

BITALHS: Den einai plhroforia dikh moy. Metadidetai apo to APE.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, mia metadosh enos synadelfoy sas, den shmainei pantote oti apodidei kata gramma o,ti eipwqhke. Dioti, einai plhrofories. Yparxoyn oi legomenes "dhmosiografikes plhrofories". Sebomai th doyleia sas. Anamfibola. Einai gnwsto oti otan enas dhmosiografos exei plhrofories, tis metadidei. Den shmainei, omws, oti ta pragmata einai akribws etsi. Sas diabasa ta sxetika shmeia toy keimenoy. Apo ta sxetika shmeia toy keimenoy, den prokyptei oti yparxei apokleistikh proqesmia. Sas eipa oti den sas kryboyme oti qa epidiwjoyme -kai nomizw oti ayth htan h ennoia ths frashs toy Proedroy Klhridh, kai emeis to qeloyme, gi` ayto xrhsimopoihsa ton oro "eyktaio einai"- na yparxei mia symfwnia epi ths arxhs, prin apo thn Kopegxagh. Giati ayto -qa elega- oti lynei kai ta teleytaia problhmata, apanta ston kaqe kakopisto, dhmioyrgei qetikes dynatothtes. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti an oi diapragmateyseis proxwroyn kai yparxoyn kapoia empodia akomh, oti den qa synexisoyme kai meta.

KALARITHS: Yphrjan kai dhlwseis politikwn arxhgwn, xqes apo thn Kypro, poy eipan -sygkekrimena o k. Omhroy- oti o Glaykos Klhridhs toys eipe oti an den katalhjoyn se foundation agreement, tote o G. G. toy OHE qa paraithqei ths diadikasias. Isxye kati tetoio; Dhladh, profanws ypanaxwrhse o k. Anan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema sto keimeno poy blepete. Sas kalw na to diabasete. Nomizw oti o G.G. toy OHE, otan katartizei ena keimeno kai to stelnei, einai safhs. Blepete mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia poy akoloyqei. Egw sas parakalw na diabasete to keimeno kai malista sthn agglikh glwssa, gia na mhn yparxoyn amfisbhthseis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pantws, yparxei mia piesh apo thn pleyra toy G.G. toy OHE mexri thn Kopegxagh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa mporoysa na symfwnhsw mazi sas oti o OHE qelei, ypo thn ennoia ths epiqymias -ejalloy ayto anadeiknyetai kai sto keimeno kai peri aytoy den yparxei kamia amfibolia- oti kalo qa htan oi dyo koinothtes na exoyn mia prwth symfwnia arxhs prin apo thn Kopegxagh, dioti ayto lynei para polla problhmata, dhmioyrgei ena kalytero klima, lynei tis teleytaies, qa elega, epifylajeis kapoiwn kai anamfibola, entassei thn olh synexish ths diapragmateyshs se mia poly kalyterh bash. Ayto einai apo oloys epiqymhto. Den shmainei, omws -kai qelw na to tonisw- oti an jekinhsei mia swsth diapragmateysh, h opoia xreiastei ligo parapanw xrono, oti aytos o epipleon xronos den yparxei. Emeis leme oti kalo qa einai na mporesoyme na symfwnhsoyme prin. Den exoyme kanena logo na mhn to kanoyme. Opws blepete, kai apo thn pleyra toy Proedroy Klhridh kai apo th dikh mas, den ekfrasthke kamia epifylajh gia na arxisoyme ayth th dyskolh kai epiponh diadikasia. Ejalloy, etoimazomaste me taxeis ryqmoys gi` ayto. Alloi einai poy ekfrazoyn enstaseis kai amfibolies. Emeis xarassoyme thn yperaspistikh mas grammh gia mia pragmati sklhrh kai epoikodomhtikh diadikasia.

GIAKOYMHS: Ara, dexeste tis pieseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Prwton, den yparxoyn pieseis kai apo poyqena den prokyptei ayto. Qa sas parakaloysa na prosexoyme poly tis lejeis mas kai na mhn katalogizoyme ston OHE mia proqesh thn opoia den exei kai den synagetai poyqena apo to keimeno. Einai safes oti yparxei h epiqymia einai safes oti ayto qa einai qetiko gia oloys, ean epiteyxqei. Kaneis den to krybei. Kai einai ejisoy safes oti den yparxei kamia apokleistikh proqesmia, oson afora th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs kai to pro ayths diasthma. Ean oi diapragmateyseis ejelissontai kai ektimhqei apo tis koinothtes oti prepei na ejelixqoyn eti peraiterw, einai safes oti ayto qa ginei.

PITTARAS: Pote qa dei o Prwqypoyrgos toys politikoys arxhgoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Arxhs genomenhs apo ton k. Karamanlh, th Deytera to apogeyma.

PITTARAS: Ara, den qa toys dei mazi me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, sto politiko symboylio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanerxeste se ena qema sto opoio exw safws apanthsei kai den qelw na epanerxomai se ayta poy exw pei.

GIAKOYMHS: To afhnete anoikto pros ektimhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws exw pei, pros ektimhsh. To afhnw pros ektimhsh.

POYLIDOY: Eipate oti h arxikh proqesmia toy 7hmeroy qa thrhqei apo thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eixame antirrhsh.

POYLIDOY: Xqes, o k. Kasoylidhs feretai na dhlwse oti mporei na parataqei, giati qa xreiastoyn kai alles synodoi toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy kai ara, den einai bebaio an qa apanthsei h kypriakh pleyra entos 7hmeroy. Jerete kati allo eseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: To mono poy gnwrizw, ayth th stigmh, einai oti h kypriakh pleyra kinhqhke me ayta ta dedomena, giati den eixe kamia antirrhsh, gi` ayto kai orise dyo eqnika symboylia, to ena thn prohgoymenh Trith poy htan to prwto kai to allo th Deytera, exei shmasia h hmera, poy einai to deytero. An apo ekei kai pera, prokyptei apo th mexri tote katastash oti qa xreiastei peraiterw epejergasia, den nomizw oti einai merikes meres poy qa paijoyn ton kyriarxo rolo. Ejalloy kai ekei den yparxei toso apagoreytikh proqesmia, dioti akomh kai h toyrkokypriakh pleyra mila anoikta gia peraiterw xrono. Exw thn entypwsh merikes fores oti epixeiroyme na prokalesoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Sas parakalw, to keimeno twn triwn selidwn, na to janadiabasete prosektika. Giati, epixeiroyme na emfanisoyme mia katastash. Poios exei piesei thn ellhnikh pleyra; Kanenas den exei piesei thn ellhnikh pleyra, oyte thn kypriakh. Qelei o OHE na breqei lysh. Ean den hqele na breqei lysh, den qa synetasse to keimeno. Einai spanies aytes oi prwtoboylies toy OHE. Nomizw oti to jerete osoi parakoloyqeite tis dieqneis ejelijeis. Einai poly spanio na erqei oloklhrwmeno sxedio-protash gia ena meizon dieqnes qema. Giati, emeis epidiwjame na ginei qema toy OHE. Qelw na sas to qymisw ayto. Kai to dexqhke telika o OHE. Opws jerete, den htan kai toso eykolo na to dexqei kai den to dexqhke amesws. Perasan para polla xronia gia na ginei kati tetoio. Twra poy erxetai to sxedio epixeiroyme na dhmioyrghsoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn; Telikws, poio einai to zhtoymeno; To zhtoymeno den einai na lyqei to Kypriako; To zhtoymeno den einai na exoyme jana eniaia Kypro; To zhtoymeno den einai na dhmioyrghsoyme mia zwnh asfaleias kai staqerothtas sthn perioxh; To zhtoymeno den einai na synexistei h eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias, kati poy einai qetiko gia oloys mas; An ayto einai to zhtoymeno, sas parakalw na symbaloyme se ayto.

ARGYROS: Xqes, diatypwqhkan sobares epifylajeis gia thn tyxh toy syntagmatikoy apo dyo koryfaia stelexh, ton k. Benizelo syntagmatologo kai ton k. Pagkalo ws prwhn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, poy exei megalh peira. Qelete na mas kanete to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Kat` arxas, o k. Benizelos den diatypwse, me tis dhlwseis toy, kamia epifylajh. O k. Benizelos, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, opws kai ola ta stelexh, aneptyje tis apoceis toy, qetika kai dhmioyrgika. Poyqena den prokyptei ayto poy lete.

ARGYROS: Oi plhrofories lene oti o k. Benizelos eipe oti den einai toso leitoyrgiko...

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Benizelos synebale me thn topoqethsh toy, sth diapragmateytikh grammh, thn opoia qa xarajei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, gia thn opoia bebaiws qa synennohqei kai me ton Proedro Klhridh. Htan qetikh h symbolh toy k. Benizeloy kai me thn politikh, alla kai me thn episthmonikh idiothta toy sth xarajh ths diapragmateytikhs grammhs mas. Etsi, ergasthke o k. Benizelos. Pros Qeoy!. Mhn prokaloyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn.

GIAKOYMHS: Qelw na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema poy eipate oti den yparxoyn pieseis. Hqela na sas rwthsw, apo mones toys estw, h synanthsh toy k. Anan me ton k. Mpoys den einai emmesa mia piesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qewreite skopimo oti prepei na sas apanthsw;

GIAKOYMHS: Bebaia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Dhladh, o k. Mpoys den qa enhmerwqei apo to G.G. toy OHE gia ena meizon dieqnes qema; Einai piesh ayto; Anazhtoyme, dhladh, tropoys na bgaloyme titloys; An anazhtoyme tropoys na bgaloyme titloys, mporoyme eykola na bgaloyme. An anazhtoyme tropoys na symbaloyme sth lysh enos eqnikoy problhmatos, xreiazetai apo oloys mas pio prosektikh stash. Mia stash eyqynhs.

GIAKOYMHS: Nomizw oti anafereste ston k. Pagkalo, oxi se mena.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pros oloys mas kai emoy symperilambanomenoy.

GIAKOYMHS: O k. Pagkalos, me dhlwseis toy xqes to brady sto RIK, gnwrizete fantazomai tis dhlwseis toy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Tis gnwrizw.

GIAKOYMHS: Qa hqela na mas kanete ena sxolio, loipon.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den qa kanw sxolio, giati ayto ton kairo ginontai para polles dhlwseis kai einai logiko na ekfrazontai apoceis se ena meizon eqniko qema. Oson afora ta stelexh toy PASOK, qa exoyn thn eykairia na anaptyjoyn tis apoceis toys, diejodika, kata ton ploysio dialogo, poy ektimw oti qa ginei sthn koinh synodo ths K.E. kai ths K.O. toy Kinhmatos, opoy bebaiws qa lhfqoyn apofaseis.

GIAKOYMHS: .............. (ektos eorths)

PRWTOPAPAS: H eorth qa einai me thn ypografh ths symfwnia gia thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy.

KOTTARIDHS: Epeidh prin mas protrecate na diabasoyme kala to keimeno kai na mh biazomaste na bgazoyme symperasmata, o k. Markidhs sto shmeiwma toy anaferei oti o prwtos kyklos diapragmateysewn prepei na peratwqei mexri tis arxes Dekembrioy. Sto sxedio den problepei synexish twn diapragmateysewn meta thn Kopegxagh. O deyteros kyklos den mporei na apotyxei, se oti...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parakalw na diabasete to keimeno.

KOTTARIDHS: Ayto poy qelw na jerw egw einai, ean aytes einai proswpikes apoceis toy k. Markidh h ...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw. Eseis exete tis plhrofories sas.

KOTTARIDHS: Den einai plhrofories. Einai to eggrafo poy ferei thn ypografh toy k. Markidh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Egw diabazw to keimeno. Kai erwtw: Diabasate to keimeno; Qelw, sas parakalw, na diabasete to keimeno.

KOTTARIDHS: O k. Markidhs den diabase to keimeno;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa kanw kritikh ston k. Markidh, oyte pote dianohqhka kati tetoio. Me rwthsate kati kai sas apanthsa. Diabasate to keimeno; Ean to diabasate, sas parakalw na moy peite poy yparxei h frash oti, ean den ypografei symfwnia prin apo th Synodo Koryfhs sthn Kopegxagh, den isxyoyn oi diapragmateyseis. Sas protrepw na diabasete to keimeno kai na epanelqoyme. Ektimw oti to exoyn diabasei orismenoi apo edw mesa kai blepete oti den to qetoyn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epitrecte moy, pragmati, gia na jekaqarisoyme to topio: O k. Anan leei stis dyo pleyres, entos mias ebdomadas qa moy peite to O.K., oson afora th diapragmateysh aytoy toy sxedioy. Sto deytero stadio, meta apo 20 meres, qa prepei na exete apofasisei oi dyo synomilhtes oti apodexeste ta kyria shmeia toy keimenoy. An den ta apodexeste, egw niptw tas xeiras moy. Ayto leei o Anan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: "Egkataleipw", leei, th lejh. Egw den qelw na th xrhsimopoihsw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Poy anaferetai ayth h lejh, sthn prwth fash; O k. Anan xrhsimopoiei ayto poy lete, gia thn teleytaia fash. Exw mprosta moy to keimeno, qelete na to deite; Qa proxwrhsoyme me bash to keimeno h me bash tis plhrofories;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Poio keimeno exete mprosta sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw to triselido keimeno. Ean qelete na proxwrhsoyme me bash to keimeno toy k. Anan, na proxwrhsoyme. Ean qelete na proxwrhsoyme me bash tis plhrofories, qa dyskoleytw, giati o kaqenas mporei na exei diaforetikes plhrofories. Ean protimate na proxwrhsoyme me pragmatikoys oroys, qa apokatasthsoyme ta pragmata stoys pragmatikoys oroys toys kai oxi sth logikh twn plhroforiwn.

Oi pragmatikoi oroi, loipon, lene oti exoyme mia protash toy OHE. Fysiko einai o OHE na epimenei sthn yioqethsh ths protashs toy. Alliws, den qa thn ekane. Den einai eyxh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Edw symfwnoyme, den diafwnoyme.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio kai logiko einai o OHE na epimenei sthn kateyqynsh yperaspishs toy sxedioy toy. Alimono ean den to kanei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ean oi dyo pleyres...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean oi dyo pleyres aporricoyn to sxedio, tote den isxyei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ean aporricei o enas ek twn dyo to sxedio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean o enas ek twn dyo aporricei to sxedio, pali einai safes oti o G.G. toy OHE den epimenei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kai egkataleipei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, egkataleipei, alla mono se ayth thn periptwsh. Symfwnoyme apolytws. Einai safes, loipon, oti ean h mia apo tis dyo pleyres den dexqei to sxedio -poy gi` ayto den yparxei kamia amfibolia- to sxedio egkataleipetai. Alimono, yparxei sxedio poy na efarmozetai ypoxrewtika gia th mia pleyra; Mporei ypoxrewtika o OHE na efarmosei sxedio symfwnias dyo koinothtwn; Oxi, bebaia. To sxedio ayto apeyqynetai kai pros toys dyo. Qelw na ginei katanohto, gi` ayto to epanalambanw. To sxedio ayto emperiexei th logikh, sto telos toy, oti an den egkriqoyn ta dhmochfismata h an yparjei diafwnia, egkataleipetai. Einai safes. Gi` ayto, eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos oti einai isws h teleytaia megalh eykairia gia thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy. Oxi, omws, apo ekeino to shmeio na epixeiroyme na emfanisoyme pws an mexri thn Kopegxagh -opoy kai emeis epiqymoyme na yparxei symfwnia epi ths arxhs- alla an ayto gia kapoio logo kaqysterhshs den katastei dynato, den shmainei parallhla oti den yparxoyn peraiterw diapragmateyseis. Mh dhmioyrgoyme oi idioi problhma ekei poy den yparxei. An me rwtate, ean qeloyme prin apo thn Kopegxagh na yparjei mia symfwnia, bebaiws einai epiqymhto. Apo poyqena den prokyptei sto keimeno kati diaforetiko. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta, eite to qeloyme, eite oxi.

Me sygxwreite, an se kapoies stigmes hmoyn ligo aysthros, alla einai krisimes oi wres kai kaqe prospaqeia na emfanisoyme ena zhthma ekei poy den yparxei, den kanei kalo sthn eqnikh ypoqesh.

Qelw na janadiabasete shmera tis dhlwseis toy k. Gkioyrel. Dhmioyrgei mia entash o Toyrkos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Kai emeis, den prepei na apanthsoyme, dhmioyrgwntas epishs mia entash h dhmioyrgwntas problhmata. Prepei na apanthsoyme me omocyxia, me aisqhma eyqynhs kai apofasistikothta gia th lysh toy Kypriakoy.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa elega oti h pemptoysia aytoy toy sxedioy einai to koinotiko kekthmeno. O k. Ferxoigken ekane dhlwseis xqes kai eipe oti sto sxedio Anan emperiexetai bebaia to koinotiko kekthmeno, alla yparxoyn orismena kena shmeia, opws einai ta shmeia twn triwn eleyqeriwn (eleyqerh diakinhsh, egkatastash, agora). Pws antimetwpizei ayto to stoixeio h ellhnikh kybernhsh, to opoio einai oysiwdes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mas apasxolei idiaitera to qema toy koinotikoy kekthmenoy kai kata tis plhrofories mas qa apasxolhsei syntoma thn E.E., dioti oi idioi zhthsan to sxedio kai qa asxolhqoyn me ayta ta zhthmata se ola ta epipeda. Qelw, omws, na ginei katanohto to ejhs: Ej oswn antilambanomai orismena zhthmata metabatikwn diatajewn -giati peri aytwn prokeitai- gyrw apo thn efarmogh toy koinotikoy kekthmenoy ta zhta kai h ellhnokypriakh pleyra, den ta zhta mono h toyrkokypriakh. Dioti yparxoyn dyskolies, afoy prokeitai gia dyo diaforetika anaptygmenes perioxes kai me diaforetika dedomena. Alla ta dedomena sta eleyqera edafh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias kai alla ta dedomena sta katexomena. Yparxoyn polla texnika problhmata kai zhthmata poy prepei na epilyqoyn mesa apo mia symfwnia. Kai einai logiko. Gia paradeigma, anaferw to qema twn metakinhsewn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kai to qema twn epoikwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Genikws, amfoterwn. Yparxei to qema ths eleyqerhs diakinhshs kai einai poly shmantiko zhthma. Den einai aplo. Exoyn dhmioyrghqei katastaseis. Exei ginei eisbolh, yparxei o toyrkikos stratos, oi epoikoi, oi perioysies poy arpaxthkan, h prosfygia. Yphrjan problhmata. Diamorfwqhkan dedomena apo th stratiwtikh eisbolh. Ayta, den mporei na allajoyn se mia hmera. Prepei na mesolabhsoyn metabatikes periodoi. Bebaiws, den mporei na mhn efarmozei basikes diatajeis, oi opoies einai ek twn wn oyk aney gia th leitoyrgia ths E.E. Allo to ena kai allo to allo.

PITTARAS: Ektos apo to Kypriako yparxoyn kai oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Qa diataraxqoyn h qa epibebaiwqoyn ston apocino agwna;

PRWTOPAPAS: Perasame se ena allo zhthma. Ws Ellhnes eyxomaste na kerdisei o Panaqhnaikos. Sto podosfairo lene oti kaqe fora kerdizei o kalyteros. Elpizoyme o kalyteros na einai h ellhnikh omada. Apo ekei kai pera, ekeino poy mas endiaferei einai na yparxei politismeno klima, giati logw ths periodoy mas prosexoyn oloi. Prepei na yparxei klima eyqynhs apo oloys toys Ellhnes filaqloys. Exoyn lhfqei ola ta anagkaia metra, ayto einai safes. O epishmos Panaqhnaikos, apo thn pleyra toy exei labei ta anagkaia metra. Qelw na pisteyw oti ola qa pane kala kai qa parakoloyqhsoyme ena wraio qeama.

PITTARAS: An kapoios apo toys filaqloys anarthsei thn kypriakh shmaia@

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti eixa na pw gia ton podosfairiko agwna, to eipa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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