Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-11-04

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Noembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Stis 11:30, opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh. Apo tis 12:30, brisketai sthn Epitroph Olympiakwn Agwnwn, opoy yparxei to ergasthrio prosomoiwshs gia toys Agwnes. Shmera, oysiastika, einai ta egkainia toy. Stis 2 m.m. qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy kai ton ypoyrgo anaplhrwth Taso Giannitsh, gia qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. Stis 6 m.m. qa parabreqei sth Boylh sta egkainia toy ergoy toy glypth Kapraloy kai stis 6:30 qa proedreysei ths synedriashs toy E.G. toy PASOK.

Ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias Kwnstantino Stefanopoylo. Nwris to apogeyma qa anaxwrhsei gia to Parisi.

Thn Tetarth stis 4:30 qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro Zak Sirak, me thn paroysia kai toy Galloy Prwqypoyrgoy. Meta to peras ths synanthshs, programmatizetai kai kapoia synenteyjh pros toys Ellhnes dhmosiografoys, piqanon gyrw stis 6 m.m. topikh wra.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 12:30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei sto Berolino me to Germano Kagkelario Gkerxarnt Srenter. Qa akoloyqhsei geyma. Problepetai na ginoyn dhlwseis kai apo toys dyo kai na toys ypoblhqoyn dyo-treis erwthseis apo Ellhnes kai Germanoys dhmosiografoys. O Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei thn Kyriakh.

Th Deytera, 11 Noembrioy, qa dei th legomenh ``stroggylh trapeza'' twn Eyrwpaiwn biomhxanwn poy einai ena eidos Enwshs twn megalwn eyrwpaikwn epixeirhsewn. Bebaiws, prepei na pw oti qa yparjei kai h taktikh synanthsh, me thn idiothta toy proedreyontos ths E.E., toso me thn UNC thn Enwsh twn Eyrwpaiwn Ergodotwn, oso kai me th Synomospondia Eyrwpaikwn Syndikatwn. Stis 2 m.m. qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Boylhs Apostolo Kaklamanh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GIAKOYMHS: Plhroforhqhkame oti apo nwris shmera to prwi eginan diadoxikes syskeceis, toso sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, oso kai sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, gia na diapistwsoyme telikws ws xwra kai ws yphresies, ti einai ayth h braxonhsida, h opoia amfisbhteitai. Hqela na sas rwthsw: Xreiazetai na ginontai kapoies syskeceis gia na apofanqoyme telikws gia th sygkekrimenh braxonhsida;

PRWTOPAPAS: Htan anagkh na ereynhqoyn palaioi xartes, dioti, opws gnwrizete, h orioqethsh eixe ginei to 1932. Otan eteqh xqes to qema, htan Kyriakh kai me dedomeno oti den htan se leitoyrgia oles oi yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, yphrje mia arxikh topoqethsh apo ton k. Mpeglith, h opoia htan mia syneth kai ypeyqynh topoqethsh. Shmera, egine plhrhs ereyna apo tis yphresies kai exw thn plhroforhsh ths armodias Dieyqynshs toy YPEJ, (A4), h opoia leei ta ejhs: ``Qemata aforwnta sta qalassia synora, metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias, exoyn epilyqei basei twn yfistamenwn dieqnwn synqhkwn. H nhsida, sthn opoia anaferetai to dhmosieyma, fainetai na einai sthn pragmatikothta h nhsida, Atsaki, apenanti apo thn Kalymno. H nhsida ayth apotelei shmeio anaforas sthn italotoyrkikh orioqethsh, ws toyrkiko edafos, gia ton kaqorismo ths meshs grammhs. Peran aytoy, yparxei yfalos me to onoma Tsoyka, notioanatolikotera ths prwths, h opoia, epishs apotelei toyrkiko edafos, basei ths anwterw italotoyrkikhs orioqethshs, poy egine to 1932, se efarmogh ths Synqhkhs ths Lozannhs''. Ayth thn plhroforhsh exw kai apo o,ti gnwrizw, qa yparjei kai epejhghsh toy k. Mpeglith, sth synexeia. Alla, einai poly palaies istories kai, opws einai logiko, prepei kaneis, gia na einai apolytos, na anatrejei se xartes, oi opoioi einai pro 70 etwn. Opws apodeixqhke apo thn ereyna toy xarth ayto poy egine den htan kati lanqasmeno.

GARGALAKOS: Ara, den yparxei qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei qema. O monos xarths poy mporei na exei thn egkyrothta, gyrw apo thn orioqethsh, htan o xarths poy egine se efarmogh ths Synqhkhs ths Lozannhs, dioti ola ginontai me bash tis Dieqneis Synqhkes, den ginontai opws qelei o kaqenas. Me bash, loipon, tis Dieqneis Synqhkes yphrje to 1932, metajy ths Italias kai ths Toyrkias, me koinh synainesh, mia orioqethsh. Emeis, opws gnwrizete, phrame ta Dwdekanhsa, meta to B@ Pagkosmio Polemo, ta opoia mexri tote htan italikh kthsh. Alla, h enswmatwsh egine me bash tis tote synqhkes.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Opws gnwrizete, xqes eixame tis toyrkikes ekloges. Qa hqela enan sxoliasmo sas. Qa hqela na mas peite me ayth thn islamikh kybernhsh poy ejelegh, pws mporei na proxwrhsoyn, ean qa einai qetika h arnhtika ta bhmata oson afora to Kypriako, ta ellhnotoyrkika kai to qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Epishs, erxetai ws gnwston o Amerikanos yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, sthn Aqhna. Mporeite na mas peite ti metaferei, giati efqase kai sthn Kypro Amerikanos epishmos; Mhpws metaferoyn kapoia shmeia toy Sxedioy Anan, ta opoia qa doqoyn ayto to mhna stis dyo pleyres;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti mporei na ginetai kati tetoio, giati h protash toy OHE, prepei na ginei apo ton OHE. Logiko einai na yparxoyn synomilies me megales dynameis, poy diadramatizoyn barynonta rolo se tetoia zhthmata. Dhladh, den apokleietai, sth diarkeia syzhthsewn poy mporei na ginoyn metajy Elladas kai HPA h akoma kai Kyproy-HPA, enas Amerikanos epishmos, melos ths kybernhshs twn HPA, na rwthsei, poies einai oi diaqeseis ths ellhnikhs kai ths kypriakhs pleyras h na diatypwsei kapoia apoch. Ayto den mporoyme na to apokleisoyme se kanenan. Emeis pantoy leme thn apoch mas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ma, h episkech ayto den exei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei na yparxoyn kai alla qemata. Qeloyme na syzhtame me oloys kai bebaiws, me th Dieqnh Koinothta kai tis xwres poy exoyn enan barynonta rolo sto Symboylio Asfaleias, akribws gia na exoyme th dynatothta na anaptyjoyme kalytera tis apoceis mas. Alla, den mporei na ferei sxedio, giati to sxedio qa katateqei apokleistika apo ton OHE.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Shmeia, eipa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oyte shmeia. To sxedio qa katateqei apo ton OHE kai se ayto prepei na epimenoyme gia para polloys logoys.

Twra erxomai sto qema twn toyrkikwn eklogwn. Prepei, bebaiws, na sygxaroyme toys nikhtes. Emeis exoyme kaqe kalh diaqesh, exoyme strathgikh, ejalloy, gia stenh synergasia gia thn anaptyjh sxesewn kalhs geitonias, filias kai allhleggyhs me ton toyrkiko lao, epomenws kai me thn kybernhsh toy. Qewroyme ws qetiko oti anamesa stis ejaggelies toy kommatos poy pleiochfhse kai toy epikefalhs toy, yparxoyn oi anafores sth synexish ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths Toyrkias. Pisteyw oti xreiazetai na meinoyme ekei. Emeis, gia mia akomh fora, katagrafoyme th dikh mas qelhsh, na yparxei mia politikh stenhs synergasias, kalhs geitonias, filias kai allhleggyhs, mia politikh, epishs, poy na sthrizetai sthn koinh prospaqeia gia thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias, poy ws gnwrizete ki emeis sthrizoyme kai sthn epilysh twn opoiwn diaforwn yparxoyn, sto pneyma ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas kai twn apofasewn, poy o OHE, alla kai h E.E. kai eidika me th Synodo toy Elsinki, exoyn parei. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti aytes oi proqeseis, poy epideiknyontai mexri stigmhs, qa synexistoyn. Ek toy apotelesmatos, bebaiws, o kaqenas krinetai.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O Prwqypoyrgos mhpws esteile kanena sygxarhthrio mhnyma ston k. Erntogan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa enhmerwqeite sxetika argotera.

GIAKOYMHS: Qa synanthqoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kati kaqorismeno mexri ayth th stigmh, alla apo th dikh mas pleyra den yparxei arnhsh. Ayta kaqorizontai dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy. Gnwrizete oti yparxei taktikh synergasia toy Ellhna ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn me toys dyo teleytaioys omologoys toy. Qeloyme na synexistei o dialogos kai me th nea toyrkikh kybernhsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O K. Erntogan ekane dhlwseis. Eipe oti qa episkefqei tis eyrwpaikes xwres, me prwto staqmo thn Aqhna.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete ayta ta exoyme pei, yparxei kai h epistolh. H dikh mas stash einai qetikh epanw se ayto. Apo kei kai pera qa mas epitrecete na doyme kai th synexeia twn kinhsewn kai tis qeseis poy qa parei h nea toyrkikh kybernhsh.

MIXAHL: Xqes, eixame thn paroysia stelexwn kai boyleytwn kai diaforwn topikwn stelexwn kai politeytwn ths N.D., opws toy k. Kiltidh, toy k. Kassalidh, se mia ekdhlwsh sto Kilkis. Thn idia wra, o k. Karatzaferhs ekane alloy eidoys sygkentrwsh mesa sto Kilkis, sthn opoia akoysthkan kapoia pragmata, opws "nika ths basileysi", anti "ths eysebeysi". Ti sxolio exei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia ton k. Karatzaferh ta exoyme pei kat` epanalhch. Einai safes oti dhmioyrgei ena akroathrio akrodejiwn antilhcewn kai qesewn. To qema, kata th gnwmh moy, afora kyriws th N.D.. Dioti exei apodeixqei kai apo tis metrhseis, alla kai opoion polith rwthsete apo to Kilkis gia th xqesinh sygkentrwsh mporei na sas to epibebaiwsei oti h syntriptikh pleiochfia aytoy toy politikoy pleon akroathrioy proerxetai apo toys xwroys ths N.D. Idiaitera, de, einai atoma me ypereqnikistikes kai ypersynthrhtikes antilhceis. Toylaxiston, ayto exei katagrafei se metrhseis. Epomenws, to qema den einai ti kanei o k. Karatzaferhs. Dioti, o k. Karatzaferhs kanei ayto to opoio ekane mexri twra kai se ayto exoyme anaferqei. Exoyme pei oti, efoson h N.D. den pairnei kaqarh qesh na katadikasei, me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo, kai na antiparateqei stis akrodejies antilhceis kai qeseis, dhmioyrgei zwtiko xwro gia na anaptyxqoyn tetoia fainomena. Apo o,ti fainetai omws, aytos o xwros yparxei kai mesa stis tajeis ths kai ton anexetai kai ton kalyptei. Anaferomai sth xqesinh emfanish se giortes misoys boyleytwn ths, oi opoioi epedeijan gia mia akomh fora idiaiterh anoxh kai se synqhmata misoys poy ektojeyqhkan. Oxi, bebaia, apo aytoys, alla otan anexesai tetoioy eidoys synqhmata kai antilhceis, oysiastika deixneis, emmesws bebaiws, oti an den ta yioqeteis, toylaxiston ta kalypteis. To erwthma poy tiqetai einai: Qa mas pei telika h N.D. ti pisteyei; Apo th mia, o arxhgos ths diakhryssei oti qelei na kanei anoigmata ston kentrwo xwro kai apo thn allh, efarmozei sthn prajh to "oso pio dejia, toso pio kala". Kai ayto, apo o,ti fainetai, efarmozei kai megalh gkama stelexwn kai boyleytwn ths N.D. Epeidh ektimw oti pio eilikrines einai to deytero, kalo qa einai o k. Karamanlhs na jekaqarisei grhgora ti epilegei kai toylaxiston h N.D. na katanohsei oti an prokeitai na anexetai kai na kalyptei tetoies antilhceis na to pei kai anoikta ston ellhniko lao. Ayth qa einai, toylaxiston, mia timia stash.

GIAKOYMHS: Sxetika me ta dhmosieymata twn kyriakatikwn fyllwn, peri endexomenhs synergasias PASOK kai SYN, thn arnhsh toy SYN kai telikws mia dixognwmia poy feretai na yfistatai metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy k. Laliwth, toylaxiston opws grafoyn ta reportaz, qa hqela na mas peite ti qesh sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kamia dixognwmia gi` ayta ta qemata, metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy k. Laliwth. Gi` ayta ta qemata yparxei taktikh kai synexhs synergasia metajy toys. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw, epeidh pragmati to Sabbato kai thn Kyriakh yphrxan polla kai antikroyomena metajy toys dhmosieymata -an prosejate, htan teleiws diaforetikoi oi titloi toy Sabbatoy apo ths Kyriakhs gyrw apo to qema ayto- einai to ejhs: Genikotera, ws xwros, emeis exoyme strathgikh epilogh th dhmioyrgia toy eniaioy proodeytikoy poloy, thn eyryterh synergasia kai symporeysh twn dynamewn ths Aristeras kai ths Kentroaristeras, th dhmioyrgia toy reymatos ekeinoy ths proodeytikhs koinwnikhs pleiochfias poy qa eggyatai thn epityxia twn allagwn kai metarryqmisewn, tis opoies stis shmerines dyskoles kai metaballomenes synqhkes exei anagkh h xwra mas. Omws, h prowqhsh mias tetoias strathgikhs epiloghs den mporei na ginetai, oyte me proxeires kinhseis, oyte me proswpikes protaseis, oyte me dhmosieymata h plhrofories, oi opoies se telikh analysh mporei perissotera problhmata na dhmioyrgoyn, para na lynoyn. Ekeino poy xreiazetai einai h ypeyqynh kai sygkekrimenh tekmhriwsh twn qesewn mas, h dhmioyrgia mias oloklhrwmenhs kai sygkrothmenhs protashs programmatikoy dialogoy twn dynamewn ths Kentroaristeras kai ths Aristeras, mesa apo ta syntetagmena organa toy Kinhmatos mas. Ola t` alla, den prosferoyn kalh yphresia.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H shmerinh sas dhlwsh, an lhfqei ws apanthsh se ayta poy eipe xqes o k. Kwnstantopoylos, einai ligo problhmatikh. Dhladh, erxetai se plhrh antiqesh me ayta poy eipe o k. Kwnstantopoylos xqes, oti den fanhke na yparxei kamia diaqesh synergasias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti emeis den exoyme mia strathgikh. Epitrecte mas ayth th strathgikh mas na thn epejergastoyme, na th sygkrothsoyme me epimeroys kinhseis mesa apo ta sygkrothmena organa toy Kinhmatos mas kai na thn anaptyjoyme kai stis dynameis ths Aristeras kai sthn ellhnikh koinwnia bebaiws. Fantazomai oti to ena den empodizei to allo. Ekeino to opoio dhmioyrgei problhmata kai isws dinei labes gia kaxypocies, einai bebiasmenes kinhseis poy den exoyn syzhthqei h qa elega "plhrofories" h "ektimhseis" poy telikws mporei na mhn aphxoyn thn pragmatikothta. Gi` aytoys toys logoys ekana thn prohgoymenh dhlwsh. To an o SYN exei thn a@ h th b@ stash, einai ena qema poy qa anadeixqei mesa apo to dialogo poy sygkrothmena, apo ta organa toy Kinhmatos, prepei na ginei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Dhladh, qa epimeinete sthn proseggish;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa epimeinoyme sth dhmioyrgia toy eniaioy proodeytikoy poloy ws strathgikh. Apo ekei kai pera, einai teleiws diaforetikh mia prooptikh, mia strathgikh epilogh, mia genikoterh qewrhsh kai diaforetiko enas dialogos se epimeroys qemata, poy qewrw teleiws akatallhlo to xwro gia na ton kanoyme ayth th stigmh. Ara, loipon, ekeino poy xreiazetai einai na teqoyn ta pragmata sthn pragmatikh bash toys, pragma poy mexri ayth th stigmh den exei ginei.

MIXAHL: Otan me to kalo kapoia stigmh katalhjete se ayth thn protash, opws lete "ypeyqyna epejergasmenh kai syntetagmenh" einai stis proqeseis sas na thn apeyqynete stis hgesies twn kommatwn ths Aristeras kai sthn koinwnia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto qa ginei.

GIAKOYMHS: Epeidh eipate oti exoyn ginei bebiasmenes, proxeires kinhseis kai proswpikes protaseis kai to qema ths synergasias exei kinhqei prwtistws apo to PASOK, qa hqela na ginete pio safhs kai na mas peite poioys ennoeite.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ennow kanenan. Eipa na mh ginontai, dioti o kaqenas mas kai prwtos egw, mporei na exoyme thn kalh diaqesh na kanoyme kapoia protash. To leme genikws, na mh ginontai, na bgoyn mesa apo syntetagmenes diadikasies.

GIAKOYMHS: Apeyqyneste profanws sto komma sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apeyqynomai se oloys mas kai se mena proswpika. Den ejairw kanenan. Den einai aixmh ayto, einai tropos doyleias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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