Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-10-31

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 31 Oktwbrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith h Kybernhtikhs Epitroph. Antikeimeno syzhthshs o Proypologismos. Ayth thn wra, o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Nikos Xristodoylakhs enhmerwnei sxetika toys syntaktes toy ypoyrgeioy. O Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths enhmerwse thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai gia tis epafes poy eixe me toys politikoys arxhgoys, gia ta qemata toy eyrwstratoy, ths dieyrynshs ths E.E. kai ths epilyshs toy politikoy problhmatos ths Kyproy. Tonise, gia mia akomh fora, oti den yparxei, den exei stalei, oyte se mas, oyte sthn Kypriakh Dhmokratia, protash toy OHE gia thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy. Thn protash ayth -eipe- piqano na epejergazetai ayth th stigmh o G.G. toy OHE Kofi Anan kai oi epiteleis toy, opws exoyn pei kai oi idioi. Ean stalei mesa stis epomenes ebdomades, ayto qa prepei na ginei egkairws, dhladh prin apo th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs. Dioti qa prepei na topoqethqoyme epi ths oysias -panta meta apo synennohsh kai synergasia me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia, h opoia exei ton prwto logo- alla kai se kaqe periptwsh na doyme kai poia tyxon problhmata h mikrotera problhmata -polles fores kai texnikhs fysews- dhmioyrgoyntai se sxesh me to koinotiko kekthmeno. Dioti, ws gnwston, mporei na yparxei kapoia ryqmish poy mporei na mh dhmioyrgei problhma sthn epilysh toy Kypriakoy, alla poy mporei na dhmioyrgei problhma sthn efarmogh toy koinotikoy kekthmenoy, meta apo th dieyrynsh ths E.E. kai thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias. Gi` ayto to logo qa prepei na exoyme egkairws sta xeria mas tis sxetikes protaseis gia mia synolikh apotimhsh toys.

O Prwqypoyrgos, epishs, anaferqhke sto qema toy eyrwstratoy kai sth qetikh men, alla me epifylajeis -mexri twra- antidrash toy k. Rompertson. Profanws, aytes ofeilontai sto gegonos oti yparxoyn toyrkikes ekloges kai piqano na mhn yparxei mia safhs qesh ths toyrkikhs pleyras. Anaferqhke, akomh, kai sth synanthsh toy me to Bretano Prwqypoyrgo k. Toni Mpler , h opoia egine se poly kalo klima. Syzhthqhkan qemata ths ellhnikhs proedrias, alla kai qemata ths dieyrynshs ths E.E., kaqws kai ta zhthmata poy syndeontai me thn analhch prwtoboyliwn apo ton OHE gia to Irak.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa hqela na sxoliasw tria shmeia apo th shmerinh omilia toy Proedroy ths N.D.sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy kommatos toy:

Prwton, o k. Karamanlhs deixnei na mhn antilambanetai oti h dixastikh politikh, poy akoloyqhse kaq olh th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy gia tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges, apetyxe. Oti, to ``steilte mhnyma'' toy epistrafhke.

Synexizei akomh na symperiferetai agnowntas ta pragmatika apotelesmata, thn pragmatikh ekfrash toy ellhnikoy laoy.

Deyteron, o k. Karamanlhs synexizei na diastreblwnei systhmatika tis ejelijeis gyrw apo ta eqnika qemata, ektos ean den exei diabasei akoma ta keimena. Dioti, ean eixe diabasei prosektika ta keimena kai ean den hqele na diastreblwsei thn pragmatikothta, qa eixe dei oti yparxoyn sobares, oysiastikes kai qetikes allages sto ``Keimeno twn Bryjellwn'', se sxesh me ta osa, arxikws, problepontan sto ``Keimeno ths Agkyras'', gia ton eyrwstrato.

O k. Karamanlhs qa eprepe na eixe prosejei oti h Toyrkia den mporei na qesei veto, se periptwsh poy o eyrwstratos den xrhsimopoiei tis ypodomes toy NATO. O k. Karamanlhs qa eprepe na eixe diabasei oti yparxei safhs rhtra, me thn opoia diasfalizetai opoiadhpote xwra-melos ths E.E., apo epiqesh opoiasdhpote xwras-meloys toy NATO. Kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, einai katanohto, poion diasfalizei h sxetikh rhtra.

O k. Karamanlhs, kalo einai na katalabei oti ta eqnika qemata den prosferontai gia laikismoys, den prosferontai gia anejodh rhtoreia, den prosferontai gia dhmagwgikh antipoliteysh. Gi ayta ta zhthmata xreiazetai eqnikh omocyxia kai yperaspish gia thn anabaqmish ths dieqnoys paroysias ths Elladas sth dieqnh koinothta. Idiws ligo prin tis krisimes ejelijeis, gyrw apo ta zhthmata ths dieyrynshs ths E.E, alla kai ths epilyshs toy politikoy problhmatos ths Kyproy.

Triton, o k. Karamanlhs den pareleice na xysei arketa krokodeilia dakria gia thn Aristera. Ayto, bebaiws, apotelei anafaireto dikaiwma toy. Alla, kala qa ekane, prin emfanistei ws ypermaxos twn dikaiwmatwn ths Aristeras, na frontisei na apostasiopoihqei, epiteloys, apo thn akrodejia kai tis akrodejies antilhceis, tis opoies afhnei, anexetai kai kalyptei, me thn taktikh kai thn politikh ths paratajhs toy.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KALARITHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh ektima oti einai efikto apo apoch xronoy na breqei, na syzhthqei kai symfwnhqei mia lysh gia to Kypriako mexri th Synodo ths Kopegxaghs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizoyme ayto, dioti den exoyme dei thn protash toy OHE. An h protash toy OHE einai toso teleia kai apanta se ola ta problhmata qa mporoyse na ginei kai ayto poy lete. Alla, ayto mporei na mhn kaqistatai efikto. Mporei na xreiastei mia topoqethsh epi ths arxhs kai synexish twn syzhthsewn. Mporei, apo thn allh pleyra, an kati den einai symfwno me tis diapistwseis poy exoyn ginei gia thn anagkh mias lyshs poy na einai biwsimh, dikaih kai symfwnh -stis genikes grammes ths- me to koinotiko kekthmeno, na mh ginei apodekth. Den mporoyme na topoqethqoyme ek twn proterwn. Ayto qa htan aneyqyno. Ayth th stigmh doyleyoyme gia na anaptyjoyme tis qeseis mas kai na dieyrynoyme thn apodoxh twn qesewn mas sth dieqnh koinothta. Kai doyleyoyme me ola ta mesa, toso emeis, oso kai ta stelexh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias me epikefalhs ton Proedro Glayko Klhridh. Otan, loipon, yparjei h protash toy k. Anan qa topoqethqoyme ypeyqyna kai qa sas doqei h eykairia na qesete ta erwthmata sas. An yparjei bebaiws Giati mporei na krinei, telikws, oti den xreiazetai. Ayto qa to doyme.

KARGOYDH: Oi telikes apofaseis poy lhfqhkan gia ton Proypologismo elaban ypoch kai ta apotelesmata twn dhmotikwn eklogwn, kaqws kai ta politika symperasmata sta opoia hdh exete katalhjei ws kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Proypologismos poy, me toys sygkekrimenoys ariqmoys kai ta megeqh poy perilambanei, apeikonizei toso thn oikonomikh, oso kai thn koinwnikh politikh, lambanei ypoch toy kai tis anagkaiothtes gia thn poreia ths Elladas mesa stis shmerines abebaies synqhkes, th diathrhsh twn ychlwn ryqmwn anaptyjhs, wste na yparxei pleonasma kai ayto na mporei na katanemetai dikaiotera yper twn asqenesterwn koinwnikwn omadwn. Sas plhroforw, omws, oti sto teliko sxedio toy Proypologismoy qa yparxei kai eidikh anafora, me thn ennoia oti qa paroysiazontai oi politikes poy perilambanei analytika kai gia eyaisqhtes koinwnikes omades, opws einai oi agrotes, oi mikromesaioi kai ta xamhlotera eisodhmatika strwmata toy plhqysmoy. Qa paroysiasoyme, loipon, thn politikh mas, opws ayth apeikonizetai mesa sta megeqh kai toys ariqmoys toy Proypologismoy. Den einai, omws, monon oi ariqmoi. Einai kai h pragmatikothta. Kai ayth h pragmatikothta qa apotypwqei kai apo thn politikh analysh poy qa kanoyme kata thn paroysiash toy telikoy sxedioy toy Proypologismoy. O Proypologismos safws lambanei ypoch seira pragmatwn:

-Oti h Ellada prepei na proxwrhsei staqera kai synexws anaptyssomenh mesa stis dyskoles kai abebaies dieqneis synqhkes.

-Oti einai anagkh na yperaspisoyme ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn, idiaitera sthn koinwnikh asfalish, opws toylaxiston htan kai oi probleceis toy nomoy poy prosfata chfisame sth Boylh.

-Oti yparxei anagkh prostasias toy biotikoy epipedoy twn ergazomenwn kai twn syntajioyxwn, kaqws kai h anagkaiothta ylopoihshs twn problecewn toy G@ KPS kai twn ependysewn poy mesa apo to Dhmosio, alla kai me th genikoterh dhmioyrgia anaptyjiakoy ergoy, exei anagkh h Ellada.

Akomh, o Proypologismos lambanei ypoch thn enisxysh ths antagwnistikothtas mas. Kai bebaiws xarakthrizetai apo th logikh ths staqerothtas, ths anaptyjhs kai ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Meta th qespish toy neoy Kwdika Deontologias gia ta MME, h kybernhsh prosanatolizetai na qespisei kwdikes deontologias kai gia alla leitoyrghmata, opws ayta twn giatrwn kai twn ekpaideytikwn, me thn idia logikh gia ta MME; Sas to rwtw ayto, giati shmera exei anoijei mia megalh syzhthsh sta MME, sta radiofwna olo to prwi, kai para polloi ekfrazoyn thn apoch oti toso genikologo kai me aytes tis asafeies poy yparxoyn se ayton ton Kwdika, oysiastika ginetai pio qolo to hdh qolo topio sta MME.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxhn, prepei na polemhsoyme oloi mazi thn ypokrisia. Qewrw baqia ypokritiko to na eleeinologoyme gia mhnes polla MME h th genikoterh eikona toy thleoptikoy topioy, adikwntas isws kai merikoys, kai sth synexeia, otan erxetai h wra na laboyme kapoia metra, ta opoia exoyme zhthsei na labei h Politeia kai thn exoyme cejei -piqanws dikaiologhmena- giati exei kaqysterhsei, ekeinh thn wra na fainomaste distaktikoi h na kratoyme apostaseis. Yparxei h oxi "kitrinismos"; Yparxoyn h oxi "dikes kai katadikes" politwn apo orismena MME; Yparxei h oxi prosbolh ths paidikhs hlikias apo orismenes ekpompes; Yparxei h oxi anoxh kai paroysiash fainomenwn bias poy mas prosballoyn oloys, poy einai antiqeth me to gramma kai to pneyma toy Syntagmatos mas; Ean yparxei, xreiazetai Kwdikas Deontologias, poy den afora toys dhmosiografoys, alla tis epixeirhseis.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, syggnwmh, to zhthma einai omws pws diasfalizetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh me diakoptete, qa sas pw pws diasfalizetai. An ayta poy proanefera yparxoyn, tote xreiazetai Kwdikas Deontologias. Ean ayta ta efeyrame, tote qa prepei prwtoi na kanoyn thn aytokritikh toys oloi aytoi poy gia ena xrono cegoyn kai thn kybernhsh -dioti den lambanei sygkekrimena metra- kai to ESR, kalwntas to na balei mia deontologia epiteloys kai na thrhqei to arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos sto radiothleoptiko topio. Kanete kyrioi xrhsh oi exontes radiofwna kai thleoraseis -kai den anaferomai stoys dhmosiografoys, alla stoys idiokthtes- dhmosioy agaqoy. To Syntagma einai safes kai leei oti ekeinos poy kanei xrhsh dhmosioy agaqoy prepei na prostateyei thn ajioprepeia toy anqrwpoy. Prepei na sebetai toys nomoys. Prepei na prostateyei thn paidikh hlikia. Prepei na antistrateyetai ta fainomena bias kai ta fainomena poy prosballoyn thn ennoia ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias. Eseis ektimate oti shmera threitai ayto; Egw diabazw synexws dhmosieymata oti den threitai. Kai h dikh mas apoch einai oti yparxoyn sobares parektropes. Oxi apo oloys. Apo orismenoys. Xreiazetai, loipon, enas Kwdikas Deontologias gia tis epixeirhseis kai oxi gia toys dhmosiografoys; Oloi symfwnoyn, lene "nai". Einai dynaton aytos o Kwdikas, poy ton epejergasthke to ESR na lynei, na apanta se xiliades periptwseis kai ypoperiptwseis poy yparxoyn; Bebaiws, oxi. Qa exei, ek twn pragmatwn, ena geniko xarakthra, qa bazei kapoioys genikoys kanones; Ypoxrewtika nai. Poios qa ton krinei; Qa ton krinei h kybernhsh sthn efarmogh toy; Qa htan laqos. Oxi, loipon. O nomos einai safhs. Thn efarmogh toy qa krinei to ESR. Einai to ESR ena organo poy exei thn ejwqen kalh martyria; Bebaiws, dioti dioristhke omofwna apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn kai oxi apo thn kybernhsh. Exei symfwnhsei to ESR omofwna se ayton ton Kwdika; H apanthsh einai "nai". Sta 16 arqra toy Kwdika, to ESR exei omofwna symfwnhsei, me proswpa poy exoyn ypodeixqei apo oles tis pteryges ths Boylhs. Yparxei, epomenws, h ejwqen kalh martyria apo thn koinwnia se ayto to organo na elegjei ton Kwdika poy to idio proteine; Bebaiws yparxei. An kanei kapoio laqos, dioti anqrwpoi einai oloi, yparxei se deytero baqmo ena organo poy qa prostateysei to kanali ekeino poy qa adikeitai; Bebaiws yparxei. Einai to StE, to opoio -ws gnwston- einai mia anejarthth arxh, poy panta antimetwpizei ayta ta zhthmata me idiaiterh synesh, sobarothta kai prosoxh. Qa anakateyetai h Politeia kai o ypoyrgos; Oxi, bebaiws. Ara, mporei h Politeia na epibalei logokrisia; Safws den exei kanena tetoio dikaiwma. Ti einai ayta, loipon, poy eidame shmera na legontai;

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Xqes, o antiproedros toy ESR eipe oti ayto to sxedio toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos qa enswmatwqei sth radiothleoptikh nomoqesia. Ayto praktika ti shmainei; Oti ayto to genikologo keimeno qa apotelei krithrio gia ton dikasth, otan ayrio qa klhqei na ekdikasei kai na apodwsei poinikes eyqynes se kapoion dhmosiografo gia kapoia ypoqesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: O kriths toy kwdika einai to ESR, to opoio kalei se apologia, ean krinei to kanali h genikotera thn epixeirhsh kai oxi to dhmosiografo. Qetei ena erwthma arxhs h ESHEA kai ayto einai: Den xreiazetai kwdikas, exoyme to diko mas, twn dhmosiografwn. Mporei o dhmosiografos na thrhsei ton kwdika toy; Polles fores epikratei o sklhros kai aqemitos antagwnismos kai orismenes fores o kitrinismos, apo ligoys, orismenoys, kapoioys telos pantwn, poy den qelw na katonomasw. Ayta, eseis ta grafete kata kairoys sta keimena sas kai ta lete sta radiofwna kai tis thleoraseis. Epaneilhmmena, exoyn tonistei ola ayta. Ola, loipon, ayta poy legontai kai grafontai, kapoios prepei na ta ryqmisei. Mporei na ryqmisei monos toy o dhmosiografos energwntas kai enantion toy ergodoth toy kai ths proklhshs apo orismenoys poy kanoyn aqemito antagwnismo h na leitoyrgei kat` ayto ton tropo; Oxi, ap` o,ti exei apodeixqei. Dioti ean ta eixe ryqmisei den qa eixame ayta ta fainomena. Den prepei kai ton dhmosiografo kapoios na ton prostateysei, exontas enan Kwdika Deontologias, o opoios qa anaferetai sthn epixeirhsh sthn opoia doyleyei kai ypoxrewnontas thn epixeirhsh oti prepei na threi th deontologia; Ayto den einai akrws prostateytiko gia ton ergazomeno dhmosiografo;

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Pws mporei na ryqmistoyn tetoia zhthmata, otan yparxoyn tetoies genikologies sto keimeno, otan gia paradeigma, sto arqro 13, anaferetai oti ola ta egklhmata, symperilambanomenhs ths tromokratias kai toy organwmenoy egklhmatos, h bia, oi banayses kai apanqrwpes prajeis kai symperifores den prepei na anadeiknyontai h na ejymnoyntai. Poios mporei na apofasisei pws anadeiknyontai h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti to Syntagma mas leei oti h bia den prepei na anadeiknyetai apo ta MME. Ean, o syntagmatikos nomoqeths kineitai genikologa, tote einai genikologo kai to keimeno -den symfwnw bebaia me ayto- toy ESR. Dhladh, den jeroyme ti shmainei bia; Den eimaste se qesh na krinoyme ti shmainei proklhsh se biaies prajeis; Den eimaste se qesh na krinoyme ti shmainei protroph se egklhmatikh energeia; Prepei na mas baloyn paradeigmata gia na to katalaboyme; Den nomizw oti eimaste anohtoi. O laos leei oti ``opoios den qelei na zymwsei xilia xronia koskinizei''. As symfwnhsoyme epiteloys metajy mas. Mas prosballei @opws swsta exoyn anaferoyn, kat epanalhch, egkrites efhmerides, metajy twn opoiwn kai h dikh sas- h den mas prosballei to radiothleoptiko; Ean mas prosballei, kapoios prepei na to ryqmisei. Kai den einai h Politeia, h opoia qa mporoyse na ayqairethsei, na kanei logokrisia. Yparxei ena organo, to ESR, poy exei thn ejwqen kalh martyria kai, opoy ayto to organo kanei kapoio laqos, yparxei ena deytero organo, to Symboylio Epikrateias, poy kai ayto exei thn ejwqen kalh martyria kai apofainetai se deytero baqmo. Poios kindyneyei; H enhmerwsh; Oxi, bebaia. O dhmosiografos; To antiqeto. Prostateyetai. Poios kindyneyei; O asydotos. As mhn krybomaste pisw apo to daktylo mas. Kindyneyei h asydosia, o kitrinismos, o aqemitos antagwnismos. Aytoi einai oi exqroi mas. Kaneis allos.

TSIBOLA: Me bash ayta poy mas eipate, me poio skeptiko perilambanetai h diatajh poy afora sthn paroysiash twn diadhlwsewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, egw analyw ena skeptiko, poy einai armodiothta toy ESR, alla, epeidh exw kanei elegxo nomimothtas, mporw na to kanw. To ESR fysika mporei na dwsei kalyterh ermhneia, dioti to synetaje. Qa sas anaferw pws to eida ws ypoyrgos kai ws poliths Kaneis den antistrateyetai thn paroysiash diadhlwsewn. Bebaiws, epitrepetai na metadwseis mia diadhlwsh, dikaiwma soy einai. Kata th diarkeia ths omws, an kapoios fwnajei na erqoyn na me skotwsoyn, an protrecei na ginei ayto, mhn to probaleis. Einai aplo ayto poy leei o kwdikas deontologias. Nomizw oti ayto to kanete ki apo monoi sas. Qewrw yperbolikh th syzhthsh gyrw apo ayto.

TSIBOLA: Tote, giati mphke h diatajh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dioti to ESR ekrine oti gia na yparxei enas plhrhs kwdikas prepei na yparxoyn apanthseis se genikes grammes, se ola ta problhmata. Opws gnwrizete, aytoi oi kwdikes employtizontai apo tis apofaseis toy ESR, poy qa klhqoyn na ermhneysoyn mia seira apo problhmata. Otan ekdoqei to Proedriko Diatagma, fantazomai oti to ESR, qa ekdwsei ermhneytikh egkyklio. Epishs, h idia h zwh qa dhmioyrghsei ayto poy leme se alles periptwseis -kai den swstos o oros- th sxetikh nomologia. H idia h zwh qa anadeijei tis periptwseis ekeines stis opoies den syntrexoyn logoi parembashs. Akoyga diaforoys synadelfoys sas na cegoyn kai thn kybernhsh kai to ESR, oti den parembainei stis yperboles poy eginan gia qemata ths tromokratias, sth dikh kai katadikh aqwwn politwn, sthn anafora onomatwn, sthn probolh fwtografiwn. Yphrxan anqrwpoi, oi opoioi emfanisthkan sto ypoyrgeio Typoy kai zhthsan prostasia apo tetoioy eidoys fainomena. Gnwrizete poly kala poioi einai. Otan cegomaste, giati den exoyme katartisei kwdika deontologias kai paroysiazoyme enan kwdika ton opoio epejergasthke ena anejarthto organo, exoyme to qarros na poyme oti epiteloys qa ton efarmosoyme kai mesa apo thn efarmogh toy as anadeijoyme ta zhthmata poy einai pros diorqwsh. Oydeis einai alanqastos. Ean kati apodeixqei oti qelei diorqwsh, edw eimaste oloi gia na to kanoyme. Grafthke shmera oti h kybernhsh prospaqei na epibalei logokrisia. Ma, emeis den exoyme kanenan logo sthn efarmogh toy. Ektos ean qewroyme oti ena organo poy diorise omofwna h Boylh, paei na epibalei logokrisia. Ayto qewrw oti einai ycisth logokrisia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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