Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-10-29

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Oktwbrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizetai o Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei shmera to apogeyma. Ayrio stis 10 to prwi qa synanthqei me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh.

Sth synexeia qa exei diadoxikes synanthseis me toys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwsei gia thn poreia dieyrynshs ths E.E. , to Kypriako kai tis apofaseis, oi opoies exoyn lhfqei sth Synodo Koryfhs stis Bryjelles. Sygkekrimena, stis 12 qa synanthqei me to arxhgo ths N.D. k. Kwstas Karamanlh. Stis 13 me th Genikh Grammatea toy KKE ka Aleka Paparhga kai stis 13.30 me ton Proedro toy SYN k. Niko Kwnstantopoylo.

Thn Pempth to prwi qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me antikeimeno ton proypologismo toy epomenoy oikonomikoy etoys. To apogeyma qa synedriasei to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy PASOK ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Thn Paraskeyh, apo to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Boylgaros omologos toy qa parastoyn se oikonomiko foroym kai sth synexeia (stis 10.45) qa exoyn kat` idian synanthsh. Qa akoloyqhsoyn dhlwseis kai epishmo geyma.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Gnwrizete poia qemata akribws qa syzhthqoyn me toys politikoys arxhgoys

PRWTOPAPAS: Qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, dioti -opws gnwrizete- oi apofaseis ths Synodoy twn Bryjellwn qa teqoyn ek neoy sthn Kopegxagh gia thn oristikopoihsh toys. H Synodos twn Bryjellwn htan atyph. Bebaiws, isxyoyn oi apofaseis ths. O Prwqypoyrgos, loipon, qa enhmerwsei toys ypoloipoys arxhgoys gia tis apofaseis poy lhfqhkan se o,ti afora ta qemata toy legomenoy Eyrwstratoy, gia thn poreia dieyrynshs ths E.E. , gia ta qemata poy sxetizontai me ta agrotika kai, panw ap ola, gia to qema ths entajhs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E. . Qa toys enhmerwsei, epishs gia tis endexomenes kai prosdokomenes ejelijeis sto politiko qema, to Kypriako.

BITALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws eipate, qa exei synanthseis me toys politikoys arxhgoys gia ola ayta ta qemata . Stis Bryjelles fainetai oti yphrje kai mia symfwnia gia to qema toy legomenoy Eyrwstratoy. Yphrxan diaboyleyseis olon ayton ton kairo anamesa ston k. Solana, ton k.Rompertson, thn Ellhnikh pleyra, thn Agkyra kai toys ypoloipoys etairoys. Efoson fainotan oti qa yphrxe stis Bryjelles enas symbibasmos, mia symfwnia sto qema toy Eyrwstratoy, giati den eixe enhmerwsei nwritera o Prwqypoyrgos toys ypoloipoys politikoys arxhgoys gia to qema ayto, me dedomeno oti toys eixe janakalesei gia to idio qema , toys eixe kanei analytikh enhmerwsh kai toys eixe zhthsei th symparastash toys, se oles tis kinhseis poy qa kanei h Ellhnikh kybernhsh @;

PRWTOPAPAS: H synexish twn diaboyleysewn h ths kinhtikothtas gyrw apo to qema toy Eyrwstratoy, egine me bash ta osa eixan eipwqei sth Sebillh . Ws gnwston, gia osa eixan eipwqei sth Sebillh, exei pragmatopoihqei synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys arxhgoys twn koinoboyleytikwn kommatwn. H qesh ths Sebillhs (poy htan mia kat` arxas symfwnia ths E.E.) eprepe fysika na syzhthqei kai me NATO.

Sto plaisio twn epafwn aytwn htan logiko na enhmerwnotan apo to NATO kai h toyrkikh pleyra, dioti h Toyrkia einai melos toy NATO. Proxwrhse, loipon, ayth h diadikasia, proxwrhsan oi diaboyleyseis, panta mesa sto plaisio twn apofasewn ths Sebillhs kai dhmioyrghqhke h aisqhsh, ola ayta ta gnwrizete tis teleytaies hmeres, oti mporei na yparjei mia symfwnia. Alla den htan tipota dedomeno kai sigoyro. Para polla zhthmata eixan meinei ekkremh. Ta zhthmata ayta lyqhkan , ta problhmata jeperasthkan, kata th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Giwrgoy Papandreoy me ton k. Solana, to apogeyma ths Pempths poy egine -opws gnwrizete- h sygkekrimenh synanthsh, h opoia sas eixe anakoinwqei. Sth synanthsh ayth eginan oi teleytaies syzhthseis, jeperasthkan empodia poy yphrxan kai dhmioyrghqhke h aisqhsh oti mporoyme na katalhjoyme se kapoio keimeno . Alla akomh den eixan erwthqei kai oi alloi arxhgoi twn kratwn kai twn kybernhsewn ths E.E. Htan logiko oti eprepe na yparjei kai enas teleytaios gyros diaboyleysewn metajy toy apogeymatos ths Pempths kai ths Paraskeyhs, o opoios egine me eyqynh toy k. Solana. Den htan dynaton, loipon, otan kapoia qemata kriqhkan ekei na prolabei o Prwqypoyrgos na enhmerwsei gia tis teleytaies ejelijeis toys politikoys arxhgoys. Nomizw ejalloy oti apo oles tis pleyres yparxei mia idiaitera qetikh eikona gia tis ejelijeis poy yphrjan. Den exei amfisbhthqei ayto, toylaxiston mexri twra. Kai opws gnwrizetai oi ejelijeis epitaxynqhkan kata th diarkeia twn syzhthsewn poy eginan sto Symboylio Koryfhs twn Bryjellwn . Mexri to apogeyma den gnwrizame an qa yparjei telikh apofash h oxi.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H qesh ths Agkyras epi toy qematos, einai qetikh..

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizoyme plhrws ayto, dioti o k. Solana efyge apo tis Bryjelles meta apo mia espeysmenh synenteyjh typoy poy edwse, opws gnwrizete. Sth synexeia qa eixe syzhthseis me to NATO kai fysika, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn aytwn lambanetai ypoch -einai logiko ayto, dioti h Toyrkia einai melos toy NATO- kai h gnwmh ths toyrkikhs pleyras.

Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti kai to NATO qa symfwnhsei me tis kateyqynseis poy exoyn symfwnhqei sto plaisio ths E.E. Ayto omws qa apodeixqei sto plaisio twn ergasiwn toy NATO to Noembrio.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ypebala thn erwthsh ayth dioti o Prwqypoyrgos, san

na to edine ws dedomeno oti breqhke lysh sto qema ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo pleyras E.E. exoyme katalhjei kai yparxoyn endeijeis oti ayth h lysh mporei na ginei apodekth kai apo to NATO. Alla epanalambanw den mporei na prokatalabei kaneis tis apofaseis kapoioy organismoy o opoios exei th dikh toy aytonomia kai o opoios kaleitai ayth th stigmh na parei tis dikes toy apofaseis. Einai safes -kai to gnwrizete oloi- oti se aytes tis periptwseis prohgoyntai kapoies synennohseis. Alla h telikh apofash qa lhfqei me thn eyqynh toy NATO. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti qa einai sthn idia kateyqynsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: To keimeno ths Agkyras, exei apokleisqei, ekeinh h symfwnia@.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei pleon to keimeno twn Bryjellwn. Den yfistatai to keimeno ths Agkyras.

KOYIN: Swsta symperana oti gia thn E.E. -toylaxiston gia thn Ellada- to qema qewreitai lhjan me th symfwnia poy yparxei ayth th stigmh:

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws eipe o idios o Prwqypoyrgos sth synenteyjh toy, ayth h symfwnia exei kapoia stadia. To prwto stadio htan na jekaqaristei plhrws to plaisio apo thn E.E. ,me bash tis genikes kateyqynseis ths Sebillhs . Me bash , loipon, tis apofaseis tis E.E. ginontai oi telikes syzhthseis toy k. Solana kai me to NATO. Sto deytero stadio qa yparjoyn oi apofaseis toy NATO kai meta qa yparxei h telikh katalhjh metajy NATO kai E.E..

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Na ypoqesw dhladh oti oi qeseis poy ejefraze mexri shmera h Ellada, oi antirrhseis poy eixe oson afora to keimeno ths Agkyras , eginan apodektes apo ta ypoloipa melh ths E.E. Perase , dhladh, h Ellada th " grammh " ths; Ayto rwtw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Stoys dieqneis organismoys, prepei, isws, na xrhsimopoihsoyme kapoies ekfraseis oi opoies ginontai apodektes kai apo toys etairoys mas. Ekeino, loipon, poy prepei na poyme kaqara einai oti to keimeno poy diamorfwqhke, h telikh apofash poy yparxei, ikanopoiei plhrws tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs pleyras kai diasfalizei plhrws ta eqnika mas symferonta.

MPOTWNHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw gia to agrotiko, sygkekrimena ,giati edw yparxei mia sygxysh. Apo th mia pleyra h kybernhsh leei oti yphrje mia ejelijh kataplhktikh gia toys agrotes kai kerdiqhkan para polla pragmata , apo thn allh pleyra h N.D. leei ta akribws antiqeta. Telika qa einai kerdismenoi h xamenoi sthn epomenh xronikh fash oi Ellhnes agrotes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw dei safh anakoinwsh ths N.D. epi toy qematos. Giati opoios gnwrizei kala tis apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei -kai nomizw oti qa eprepe na mpoyn oloi ston kopo na tis diabasoyn- qa gnwrize oti diasfalizontai plhrws ta symferonta twn agrotwn mas kai mexri to 2006 , alla epipleon elhfqh kai mia apofash, h opoia den htan dedomenh mexri twra. Opws gnwrizete me tis ews prosfata, ews th Synodo twn Bryjellwn, apofaseis yphrxe mia logikhs symbolhs epidothsewn sta gewrgika proionta apo pleyras E.E. mexri kai to 2006 . Me tis energeies ths ellhnikhs pleyras, bebaiws kai allwn kybernhsewn kratwn-melwn ths E.E., ayto diasfalisqhke plhrws se sxesh me th dieyrynsh. Epipleon, omws, apofasisqhke oti qa yparjoyn enisxyseis sta agrotika proionta mexri to 2006, alla kai meta mexri to 2013, kati to opoio den yphrxe mexri twra. Bebaiws, yparxei ena qema: Poia morfh qa exoyn aytes oi enisxyseis kai pros ta poy qa kateyqynqoyn; Ayto einai anoikto. H qetikh ejelijh einai oti kai meta to 2006, qa exoyme enisxyseis sta agrotika proionta. Bebaiws, dinetai idiaitero baros, kat` arxas, sthn enisxysh twn newn kalliergeiwn, ths anaptyjhs ths agrotikhs paragwghs kai ths enisxyshs ths antagwnistikothtas ths. Kaqws, kai se neas morfhs draseis, opws einai oi periballontologikes kalliergeies, ta biologika proionta h h anaptyjh toy agrototoyrismoy. Yparxei, epishs, rhtra poy diasfalizei oti qa lhfqei eidikh merimna, me tropo poy qa kaqoristei sth synexeia gia tis mikres kai mesaies agrotikes kalliergeies. An kai prokeitai gia mia prospaqeia poy safws prepei na synexistei, wste na parei sygkekrimenh morfh gia thn periodo meta to 2006, wstoso, to gegonos oti anagnwrizetai oti qa synexistei sto plaisio ths Koinhs Agrotikhs Politikhs mia enisxysh ths agrotikhs paragwghs, nomizw oti apotelei ena neo shmantiko, qetiko bhma. Bebaiws, shmeiwnw oti mexri to 2006 den qa yparjei kamia metabolh.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia thn prospaqeia poy exei jekinhsei apo polla stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos, metajy twn opoiwn ki eseis me shmerinh sas synenteyjh, gia tis sxeseis PASOK kai SYN, kai th sygkrothsh eyryteroy poloy k.lp. Diabazw omws kai dhmosieymata oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei dwsei mia odhgia -ean isxyei- me prosektikes kinhseis na diereynhqei olo ayto to topio. Eseis, ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, eiste ikanopoihmenos, apo ton tropo poy anoije ayth h syzhthsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei mia seira dhlwsewn stelexwn toy Kinhmatos, metajy twn opoiwn kai h dikh moy, oi opoies ekfrazoyn problhmatismoys. Qa proseqeta oti aytos o problhmatismos apo kaqe stelexos exei kai ta dika toy qetika stoixeia. Deixnei mia prospaqeia symbolhs se ena meizon qema, opws einai to qema ths synergasias toy eyryteroy xwroy ths Aristeras kai Kentroaristeras kai h sygkrothsh toy neoy eniaioy proodeytikoy poloy. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti twra einai h wra syntetagmena to PASOK, mesa apo tis dikes toy diadikasies kai tis diadikasies toy E.G. na sygkrothsei th dikh toy eniaia protash gia ton programmatiko dialogo me tis alles dynameis ths Aristeras. Mexri twra yphrje mia qetikh symbolh. Epanalambanw, omws, oti to PASOK, mesa apo ta organa toy, qa sygkrothsei th dikh toy protash poy qa apeyqynqei pros tis hgesies twn allwn kommatwn ths Aristeras, alla kai pros oloys toys proodeytikoys polites.

MIXAHL: Tis mexri twra antidraseis toy SYN, pws tis krinete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa mpoyme se mia diadikasia antidikias, giati qewrw oti kati tetoio qa htan laqos kai den qa to kanw. Ayth th stigmh, ayto poy xreiazetai einai na katanohsoyme oti den yparxei kamia proqesh, kanenas na ekmetalleyqei kanenan h na dhmioyrghsei problhmata. Qeloyme eilikrina ws strathgikh epilogh th synergasia. Ejalloy, ayto anadeixqhke kai apo tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges, opoy ayth h synergasia eixe wrimasei kai egine dynath. Apo kei kai pera, ayto to symperasma exei ejaxqei kai exei katagrafei me tis dhlwseis twn stelexwn toy Kinhmatos mas. To PASOK mesa apo tis syntetagmenes diadikasies toy qa diamorfwsei thn oloklhrwmenh protash toy gi ayton ton programmatiko dialogo. Pisteyw oti briskomaste sthn wra toy problhmatismoy kai ths sygkrothshs ayths ths syntetagmenhs protashs.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Apo ayta poy eipate kyrie Ypoyrge, na katalaboyme oti mexri twra ayto to anoigma, ayth h qetikh symbolh kai aytos o problhmatismos den egine syntetagmena;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei diapistwqei mia anagkaiothta, exei katagrafei h qelhsh gi ayth th synergasia, exei katagrafei h anagkh -kai exoyme symfwnhsei oloi- gia th sygkrothsh toy eniaioy proodeytikoy poloy. Apo kei kai pera, prepei, bebaiws, na analysoyme kai na paroysiasoyme tis apoceis mas me pio syntetagmeno tropo, na doyme me poies prwtoboylies prowqeitai ayth h synergasia.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Nai, alla edw exoyme enan diagwnismo stelexwn, na bgoyn pros ta ejw kai na anaggeiloyn h telos pantwn na paroyn meridio ayths ths synergasias. Gi ayto rwtw, an ayth h kinhsh egine syntetagmena;

PRWTOPAPAS: Htan prwtoboylies pollwn stelexwn gia na syneisferoyn qetika se ayto to symperasma, to opoio katagrafhke apo to apotelesma twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn. Ola ayta ta stoixeia poy paroysiasan ta stelexh mas apoteloyn qetikh symbolh se ayton to dialogo mesa sto PASOK kai bebaiws qa ajiologhqoyn apo ta idia ta syntetagmena organa toy Kinhmatos, gia th diamorfwsh ths protashs toy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Diabasame proxqes se kyriakatikh efhmerida ton Proedro toy SYN na leei oti basikh proypoqesh einai h allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy. H kybernhsh ti apanta se ayto; Gnwrizoyme oti o dialogos gia ton eklogiko nomo qa arxisei meta to Pasxa. H kybernhsh se ayth thn proypoqesh poy qetei o k. Kwnstantopoylos, leei oti einai qema dialogoy; Poia einai h qesh ths;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, sas ypenqymizw oti exei topoqethqei o armodios ypoyrgos Kwstas Skandalidhs kai sas parapempw stis dhlwseis toy. Deyteron, prepei na tonisw oti to kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai, ajiopoiwntas ton problhmatismo poy yphrje, apo ta syntetagmena organa toy PASOK, na diamorfwsoyme thn epishmh protash gia ta xarakthristika aytoy toy programmatikoy dialogoy.

IWANNOY: O k.. Laliwths otan ekane ayth thn protash -kai twra thn epanalambanei- den einai katopin syntetagmenhs apofashs organwn toy PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Laliwths exei anaferqei sta genika xarakthristika (kai anaferomai sto arqro toy se fyllo toy Sabbatoy), sto pws ennooyme th strathgikh ayth epilogh mas. Diabaste to arqro toy. To periexomeno toy einai mesa se ayta poy exoyme apofasisei oloi. Apo kei kai pera, o tropos poy mia strathgikh epilogh qa proxwrhsei kai ta epimeroys qemata poy syndeontai me ayth, einai antikeimeno problhmatismoy toy Kinhmatos. Den antikeitai to ena sto allo.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: H dhmosia syzhthsh gia thn kentroaristera hrqe gia allh mia fora, meta apo to eklogiko apotelesma. Sas qymizw oti to idio eixe ginei kai meta tis ekloges toy 2000, otan sthn prwth Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK, meta apo ekeines tis ekloges, to kyrio qema htan pali h kentroaristera. H syzhthsh tote den eixe proxwrhsei. Yparxoyn twra kapoia stoixeia gia thn kybernhsh poy thn kanoyn aisiodojh oti twra mporei na proxwrhsei ayth h istoria, aytos o dialogos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Polla zhthmata wrimazoyn apo thn koinwnia. Exoyme anaferqei, kat` epanalhch, se ena qetiko symperasma (opoy oi synqhkes htan wrimes, giati den htan pantoy sthn Ellada), apo tis nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges. Me bash ayto prepei na yparjei enas problhmatismos apo to PASOK kai diatypwsh gia kapoia sygkekrimena bhmata. O Kwstas Laliwths eqese ena geniko politiko plaisio kai ep` aytoy yphrjan protaseis, topoqethseis, idees stelexwn, poy apoteloyn qetikh syneisfora. Ola ayta, omws, twra pleon, se ayth th fash, prepei na ajiologhqoyn mesa apo ta organa toy Kinhmatos, wste na diamorfwqoyn protaseis syntetagmena kai me ypeyqyno tropo pros tis hgesies twn allwn kommatwn.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh kanate logo gia programmatikes sygkliseis me to SYN, akoysa to prwi ton ekproswpo toy SYN k. Boytsh, na leei oti kata ta triamisi tetarta twn politikwn twn dyo kommatwn entopize diafores, ews antiqeseis. Hqela na rwthsw ean se ayto ton programmatiko dialogo to PASOK einai diateqeimeno na diaforopoihqei oson afora basikes arxes ths mexri twra politikhs toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: As mhn kanoyme to laqos na anoijoyme enan dialogo mesw tritwn, dioti ayto qa elega mporei na leitoyrghsei arnhtika se ayth thn epilogh. O dialogos mesw tritwn den einai panta qetikos. Dhmioyrgei prosqeta problhmata. O apeyqeias dialogos einai aytos poy dinei tis apanthseis.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na mas peite, ean mesa stis skeceis gia ta bhmata poy qa akoloyqhsoyn h kybernhsh kai to PASOK pros thn kateyqynsh ayth, symperilambanetai kai kapoioy eidoys prwtoboylia h ``dhmosia'' symmetoxh toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy ;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na afhsoyme ta organa toy PASOK na laboyn tis sxetikes apofaseis; Nomizw oti einai to kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme. Katagrafhke mia qelhsh kai mia strathgikh epilogh, katagrafhkan kapoia symperasmata poy proekycan apo tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges. Gia ta ypoloipa qemata qa exoyme thn eykairia oloi sthn Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK kai metepeita na kanoyme sxetiko dialogo.

KWNSTANTHS: Epeidh h Aristera kai kyriws o SYN fainetai na syndeei thn opoiadhpote synergasia me thn allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy, pros to analogikotero, anejarthta apo ayto poy eipate gia ton Skandalidh, qa dexosastan mia tetoia syzhthsh, ws afethria ekkinhshs ths opoiasdhpote syzhthshs gia synergasia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw topoqethqei hdh.

KWNSTANTHS: Pws sxoliazete th dhlwsh toy k. Pagkaloy, o opoios diaceydei -isws ki esas- stis ektimhseis sas gia diafora anamesa sta dyo kommata stis dhmotikes ekloges, apo 1% ews 2,7% afoy leei oti h diafora ayth einai metajy 5% kai 7% kai epipleon, gia na mhn epanelqw...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den protiqemai na sxoliazw dhlwseis stelexwn gia thn apotimhsh toy eklogikoy apotelesmatos. Ta stelexh mas exoyn tis apoceis toys, ekfrazoyn toys problhmatismoys kai fantazomai oti qa toys ekfrasoyn kai sthn Kentrikh Epitroph.

MPOTWNHS: Meta th syllhch toy Giannh Serifh, exoyn akoloyqhsei diafora senaria, opws gia paradeigma oti kleinei o fakelos gia th 17N, me kapoies syllhceis poy qa ginoyn shmera-ayrio. Epibebaiwnete aytes tis plhrofories;

PRWTOPAPAS: Perimenete na epibebaiwsw h na diaceysw plhrofories gia syllhceis, tis opoies den gnwrizw kai den xreiazetai na gnwrizw; To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na afhsoyme tis armodies arxes na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Ayto to qema den afora th dikh mas syzhthsh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Den diaceydete oti qa ginoyn syllhceis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oyte to diaceydw, oyte to epibebaiwnw, oyte topoqetoymai, giati den afora emas ayto to qema. Gia to qema ayto apofasizoyn oi armodies anakritikes arxes kai den mporei na jerw ti qa apofasisoyn. Kanoyn anejarthta ths doyleia toys.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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