Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-10-10

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Oktwbrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qelw na ekfrasw th symparastash mas sto dhmosiografo Qanash Paparhga, poy noshleyetai sto Nosokomeio KAT, meta to atyxhma poy eixe. Exoyn diabibastei oi eyxes mas sth syzygo toy, G.G. toy KKE, ka Aleka Paparhga. Xqes, epikoinwnhsa me ton k. Makh Mailh, ston opoio diabibasa tis eyxes toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs gia taxeia anarrwsh toy k. Paparhga. Eyxomaste poly grhgora, na jeperasei to problhma ygeias toy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TAKHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia thn antidrash twn HPA, sxetika me thn apofash ths E.E., toso gia thn Kypro, oso kai gia thn Toyrkia, dioti oi dhlwseis poy eginan den nomizw oti htan arketa filikes gia thn Ellada.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei mia apofash ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, h opoia apotelei ena shmantiko bhma sthn poreia entajhs ths Kyproy. Qelw, omws, na epanalabw oti h poreia entajhs ths Kyproy -kai genikotera h dieyrynsh ths E.E.- afenos, kai h epilysh toy Kypriakoy afeteroy, einai dyo jexwrista qemata. Bebaiws, mia lysh toy Kypriakoy qa bohqoyse synolikotera, alla den mporei se kamia periptwsh na apotelei proypoqesh h na synypologizetai sthn poreia entajhs ths Kyproy, h opoia prepei na ginei -kai etsi ejelissetai mexri twra- aysthra sto plaisio poy exei teqei apo tis apofaseis ths E.E. kai tis Synodoys Koryfhs. Exoyme, loipon, ena megalo qetiko bhma. Exoyme, omws, poly dromo akoma. Prepei na eimaste oloi apofasistikoi, enwmenoi sto pleyro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias kai bebaia me th dikh mas parembash sthn E.E., prokeimenoy aytos o dromos na oloklhrwqei mexri thn Kopegxagh. Einai safes oti qa yparjoyn antidraseis. Piqanon kapoioi na qelhsoyn na sthsoyn empodia. Omws, h apofasistikh stash, h dieqnhs paroysia kai h doyleia mas einai ayta poy mporei na eggyhqoyn to teliko qetiko apotelesma s` ayth thn kateyqynsh.

TAKHS: Fobaste mia pio entonh antidrash, mia piesh apo pleyras HPA pros xwres ths E.E.; Einai oi HPA enas apo aytoys poy qeloyn na sthsoyn empodia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den pisteyoyme kati tetoio, dioti h dieyrynsh einai eswteriko qema ths E.E. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qa kinhqei me bash toys dikoys ths kanones. Einai gnwstes oi dhlwseis toy k. Gkioyrel. Qelw, omws, na tonisw -opws to tonise kai o Ellhnas Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy, pros ton Toyrko Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn- oti h Ellada qelei, epiqymei kai einai diateqeimenh na symbalei sthn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias. Bebaiws, prepei kai h Toyrkia na kinhqei aysthra, me bash to plaisio twn apofasewn toy Elsinki, an epiqymei thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths. Emeis exoyme kataqesei kai qa synexisoyme na kataqetoyme th symbolh mas se ayto. Apo kei kai pera, h Toyrkia prepei na skefqei oti exei eyqynes, tis opoies prepei na analabei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Mia apo tis ameses antidraseis twn HPA, opws plhroforoymai, einai h ejhs: Apo toyde kai sto ejhs, h Toyrkia qa mporei na poylaei ola ta emporeymata ths pros tis HPA aforologhta, fqhnotera apo tis alles xwres, kati poy ginetai apo polloy xronoy me to Israhl. Poy apoblepei ayto to metro twn HPA; Qelei na erqei se kontra me thn E.E.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth th stigmh poy milame den exw epishmh plhroforhsh. Qa ejetasw to qema kai qa sas apanthsw ayrio, giati ayth thn wra ginotan sxetikh enhmerwsh sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Ekeino, omws, poy qelw na pw einai oti h poreia entajhs ths Kyproy einai ena qema poy afora thn E.E. kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh exoyme strammeno to endiaferon mas. H epilysh toy Kypriakoy einai epiqymhth gia oloys mas. To Kypriako einai ena sobaro qema poy afora th Dieqnh Koinothta kai to kalytero poy exoyn na kanoyn oloi -kai oi megales dynameis, bebaiws- einai na askhsoyn th dikh toys epirroh, prokeimenoy na breqei lysh toy Kypriakoy, sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE.

BITALHS: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti, opws dhlwse se radiofwniko staqmo o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, o G.G. toy OHE qa kataqesei sxedio epilyshs toy Kypriakoy; Mhpws ayto dhmioyrghsei ena sfikto xronodiagramma gia thn ellhnikh pleyra kai dhmioyrghsei periplokes sthn Kopegxagh;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Anan einai piqanon na kataqesei ena sxedio. Oi ektimhseis oti mporei na ginei kati tetoio, enisxyontai olo kai pio poly. Qa ejetasoyme to sxedio, qa synennohqoyme me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia kai qa prajoyme symfwna me ta symferonta mas. To plaisio twn apofasewn mas gia thn ejeyresh lyshs einai safes. Kinoymaste sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE gia thn ejeyresh lyshs kai pantote se synennohsh me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Ean o k. Anan qelhsei na kataqesei mia protash einai dikaiwma toy. Kaneis den mporei na ton empodisei. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti h protash toy qa einai sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE kai qa symbalei sthn ejeyresh lyshs. Ayto, omws, den exei kamia sxesh me thn entajh ths Kyproy. Se kamia periptwsh den mporei to ena na apotelei proypoqesh toy alloy. Eimaste safeis se ayto.

BITALHS: Ayth h qesh einai safestath apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh edw kai poly kairo. Wstoso, apo th stigmh poy o G.G. toy OHE epibalei ena xronodiagramma desmeytiko, kata kapoio tropo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Xronodiagrammata, opws gnwrizete, mexri stigmhs exoyn teqei polla, alla, logw ths toyrkikhs adiallajias, den exei breqei lysh.

BITALHS: Einai diateqeimenh h Aqhna, me tis mexri twra syzhthseis poy exoyn ginei, na apodexqei ena sxedio apo ton k. Anan, o opoios -opws oi plhrofories lene- exei apodexqei to basiko pyrhna twn toyrkikwn qesewn gia anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys kai lysh synomospondiakhs morfhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme tetoies plhrofories. Apo poy phgazoyn ayta; Qa elega oti den prepei na biazomaste. As afhsoyme ton k. Anan na kataqesei tis apoceis toy kai qa krinoyme tis protaseis toy, sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE kai se synennohsh panta me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Pisteyw oti h mexri twra ypeyqynh kai sobarh stash mas, mia stash eyqynhs, ayth thn taktikh epiballei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H kypriakh kybernhsh einai enhmerh oti meta tis toyrkikes ekloges, qa ypoblhqei kai oxi qa epiblhqei, opws eipe o synadelfos, ena sxedio...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti to sxedio, qa einai protash toy k. Anan.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa einai protaseis, oi opoies den qa bgainoyn ejw apo to plaisio poy dexetai h Kypriakh Dhmokratia...

PRWTOPAPAS: Qewrw aytonohto oti o G.G. toy OHE, opws leei kai h logikh, qa kinhqei sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE. Se kaqe periptwsh den mporoyme na krinoyme kati poy den exoyme dei.

BITALHS: Jexnate to sxedio poy enexeirhse o k. Paoyel.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Paoyel den einai G.G. toy OHE. Den dexomai oti o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn twn HPA kai o G.G. toy OHE einai to idio pragma. Sth mia periptwsh einai ena kratos kai sthn allh enas Dieqnhs Organismos.

MPOTWNHS: Fobatai h kybernhsh to endexomeno na klimakwqoyn aytes oi pieseis apo pleyras Toyrkias, poy einai kai apeiles ws enan baqmo, akoma kai gia qermo epeisodio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ektimoyme oti h Toyrkia qa skefqei poly na qesei se amfisbhthsh th dikh ths eyrwpaikh poreia kai na erqei se antiqesh me thn E.E. kai th Dieqnh Koinothta. Ayto qa htan arnhtiko gia thn idia th Toyrkia. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti qa yparjoyn cyxraimes apoceis stis prajeis, para tis kata kairoys dhlwseis poy ginontai kai oi opoies piqanon na exoyn sxesh kai me tis toyrkikes ekloges. Se kaqe periptwsh, emeis badizoyme staqera. Anaptyssoyme th drash mas sthn E.E. kai th Dieqnh Koinothta. Den einai eykolo na ekdidontai tetoies apofaseis, san kai ayth poy ekdoqhke proxqes. Einai apotelesma sobarhs makroxronias kai ypeyqynhs doyleias. Xwris doyleia den ginetai tipota. Xwris dieqnh paroysia den ginetai tipota. Xwris katanohsh apo th Dieqnh Koinothta twn qesewn mas den ginetai tipota. Ean den ginetai katanohto oti oi qeseis aytes einai dikaies kai prepei na tis akoloyqhsoyn oloi, pali den ginetai tipota. Ara, emeis doyleyoyme cyxraima, staqera kai synexws pros thn kateyqynsh twn qesewn mas, pros ton OHE, pros tis HPA kai tis alles megales xwres kaqws kai pros tis xwres-melh ths E.E. Gnwrizete tis prwtoboylies poy exoyn analabei o Prwqypoyrgos kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, tis opoies bebaiws qa synexisoyn olo to epomeno diasthma. Ta tajidia toy Prwqypoyrgoy exoyn anaggelqei. Taytoxrona, qa yparxei kai analogh paroysia toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy se diafores xwres.

BITALHS: Apoferoyn apotelesmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apoferoyn apotelesmata, ayth h apofash den bghke tyxaia, proxqes.

MIXAHL: Meinane treis meres prin apo ton prwto gyro twn nomarxiakwn kai dhmotikwn eklogwn. Twra poy oloklhrwnetai h proeklogikh periodos, ti perimenei h kybernhsh apo thn kalph ths Kyriakhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Perimenei na eklegoyn oi kalyteroi gia dhmarxoi kai nomarxes.

MIXAHL: Akomh ki an oi polites kaqe Dhmoy h Nomoy krinoyn oti kalyteroi einai aytoi poy den yposthrizontai apo to PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ypoqetikh h erwthsh sas kai den mporw na apanthsw se ypoqetikh erwthsh. Se kaqe periptwsh, o laos qa krinei. Aytos exei to logo shmera. Einai h wra toy laoy, aytos apofasizei. To mono poy mporei na eyxhqei kaneis, thn teleytaia stigmh, einai na eklegoyn oi kalyteroi gia Dhmarxoi h Nomarxes.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mias kai h syzhthsh einai sto proeklogiko klima, xqes plhroforhqhkame oti o ypochfios Nomarxhs Qessalonikhs k. Cwmiadhs, sthn epixeirhsh toy dexqhke ton elegxo toy SDOE. Kai ayto, bebaiws, einai ena qema...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oxi.. Den qelw apanthsh s` ayto. Tesseris meres, loipon, prin apo tis ekloges, plhroforhqhkame ayto to gegonos, opws epishs kai oti h syzygos toy proistamenoy h epikefalhs, telos pantwn, toy SDOE Kentrikhs Elladas, einai ypochfia toy antipaloy toy k. Cwmiadh...

PRWTOPAPAS: Alloy SDOE, oxi ths Kentrikhs Elladas, alla ths Qessalonikhs.

KANELLOPOYLOS: En pash periptwsei, qa hqela na moy peite kata poso tetoia gegonota symballoyn se ena omalo proeklogiko klima.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia na sas pw ean symballoyn h oxi, prepei na sas perigracw to gegonos kai eseis na krinete. Loipon, to SDOE Kentrikhs Elladas kai sygkekrimena ths Qessalias, prospaqoyse, edw kai kairo, na ereynhsei mia periptwsh proswpikhs epixeirhshs, h opoia ejedide eikonika timologia. Apokalyfqhke oti o kyrios aytos sth Qessalia ejedide eikonika timologia kai ton entopise to SDOE. Logika eprepe, me bash thn taktikh poy akoloyqeitai s` aytes tis periptwseis, to SDOE na kanei diastayrwsh twn stoixeiwn -kai oxi elegxo- poy paroysiaze h en logw epixeirhsh. Dhladh, na diapistwsei ean pragmati ta timologia htan eikonika, symfwna me tis prwtes kataggelies h ean htan pragmatika kai eixan doqei se sygkekrimenes epixeirhseis. Anaferqhkan peripoy 15 epixeirhseis, ean den kanw laqos, stis opoies eixan stalei ta sxetika timologia. Ontws to SDOE proxwrhse thn ereyna toy kai pros tis 15 epixeirhseis, gia tis opoies eixe titloys (den eixe th metoxikh synqesh toys), prokeimenoy na diapistwsei ean ta timologia ayta yparxoyn. Pws alliws qa ton entopize kai qa toy askoyse poinikh diwjh; Asfalws, mesw twn armodiwn arxwn. Phge, loipon, kai sth Qessalonikh, xwris na gnwrizei tinos einai h epixeirhsh, na diapistwsei ean yphrxan eikonika timologia kai ekei, opws kai stis alles 14 epixeirhseis. To SDOE diapistwse oti telika tetoia timologia den yphrxan, opote kai qa prajei ta deonta. O "kyrios" aytos, profanws, ekane apath me eikonika timologia. Den katalabainw poio einai to problhma. Otan phgaine na kanei thn ereyna to SDOE Qessalias, den gnwrize oti h epixeirhsh anhke ston k. Cwmiadh. Sthn poreia diapistwqhke. Meta ton elegxo twn sxetikwn bibliwn. Kai gia thn kyria poy anaferate, poy asfalws exei dikaiwma na qesei ypochfiothta, o syzygos ths den eixe kamia sxesh me to SDOE Qessalias. Einai allh yphresia. Kai yparxoyn apodeijeis oti to SDOE Qessalias ejetase kai tis 15 epixeirhseis. Loipon, ti me rwtate twra; Oti entopisthke enas apatewnas; Oti sthqhke, me bash ton apatewna, oloklhro skhniko; Oti to SDOE ekane elegxo se 15 epixeirhseis opoy yphrxan yponoies oti ejedidan eikonika timologia; Kai ola ayta, gia ton k. Cwmiadh; Ma, einai sobara pragmata ayta;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Egw rwtw, kata poso symballoyn tetoia gegonota sthn omalh diejagwgh toy proeklogikoy agwna.

PRWTOPAPAS: Poia gegonota; Gia na katalabw. Sas periegraca to gegonos. Ti sxesh exei ayto me ton proeklogiko agwna; Kai oyte strafhke tipota kata toy k. Cwmiadh. Gia na diapistwqei an aytos poy ypociazotan to SDOE ws apatewna htan pragmati apatewnas, eprepe na ginei diastayrwsh stoixeiwn se 15 epixeirhseis pros tis opoies fainotan oti eixan ekdoqei ta eikonika timologia.

BITALHS: Telika;

PRWTOPAPAS: Telika, diapistwqhke oti ontws ta timologia htan eikonika. Toylaxiston, etsi fainetai, den anelysa kai tis periptwseis twn 15 epixeirhsewn. Alla, prokyptei oti ta timologia htan eikonika kai stis 15 h stis perissoteres apo aytes. Ti shmainei ayto; Oti qa askhqei diwjh. Poio einai to problhma poy apasxolei ton k. Cwmiadh kai esas twra; Alla, ta "trikakia" ayta kai kyriws h syndyastikh emfanish orismenwn boyleytwn ths N.D., poy espeysan na yioqethsoyn, molis to akoysan apo thn thleorash, ta panta kai na arxisoyn na dhmioyrgoyn entash, me sygxwreite einai pantelws lanqasmenh prajh, h opoia den toys tima. Den exei, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, efarmogh to "pisteye kai mh ereyna". Prepei na ereynoyme prin bgoyme na milhsoyme.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na mas peite, an gnwrizete h ean exei prokycei apo tis ereynes h an sas exoyn plhroforhsei oi armodies yphresies, ean o en logw "kyrios" gnwrizetai me ton k. Cwmiadh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mas apasxolei. Piqanotata den gnwrizontai h isws na ton gnwrise kapoia stigmh gia epaggelmatikoys logoys. Ayto den synista adikhma. Aytos, profanws, epeidh hqele na ekdwsei plasta timologia, phre 15 epixeirhseis me tis opoies kapoia stigmh mporei na eixe mia epaggelmatikh sxesh kai ejedwse timologia. Den ftaine oi 15 epixeirhmaties. Kai an toys gnwrize akomh, mesa apo kapoia synallagh me agorapwlhsies sto parelqon, epixeirhseis einai, den einai saloni. Oi epixeirhseis pwloyn, promhqeyoyn, poio einai to problhma; Den qa cajei to SDOE ta timologia; Den eixe ginei gnwsto se poion anhkoyn. Den anagrafotan to onoma "Cwmiadhs". Anaferotan mono enas titlos.

Epeidh yparxoyn sxetika dhmosieymata, qelw na sas enhmerwsw gia to ejhs:

O yfypoyrgos Ygeias Ektwr Nasiwkas, moy thlefwnhse kai me plhroforhse oti mia egkyklios poy aforoyse kaqorismo amoibhs sta Kentra Ygeias gia tis parexomenes apo ayta yphresies, exei anastalei apo 1hs Oktwbrioy. Sygkekrimena, yphrxe mia egkyklios apo to ypoyrgeio Ygeias, me hmeromhnia 11 Septembrioy, poy anaferotan ston kaqorismo amoibhs sta Kentra Ygeias, apo thn opoia bebaiws ejairoyntan oloi oi asfalismenoi. Qa plhrwnan ta asfalistika tameia toys. Ayto prepei na to kanw safes. Parola ayta, o k. Nasiwkas me plhroforhse -kai egw sas to metaferw gia thn enhmerwsh sas- oti ayth h egkyklios anestalh apo 1hs Oktwbrioy. Dhladh, den isxyei, qa ginei nea epejergasia argotera.

Sas eyxaristw.

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