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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Septembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, tis epomenes hmeres:

O Prwqypoyrgos brisketai sthn Kopegxagh, opoy qa symmetasxei sthn Eyrwasiatikh Synodo Koryfhs kai qa epistrecei ayrio to brady. Prin apo ligo, ekane mia dhlwsh sxetika me th nikh toy Sosialdhmokratikoy kommatos kai twn Prasinwn sth Germania, h opoia qa sas dianemhqei.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me antikeimeno syzhthshs to prwto sxedio toy Proypologismoy toy 2003. Opws gnwrizete, katatiqetai ena arxiko sxedio, to opoio qa oristikopoihqei sta mesa Oktwbrioy se synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, wste na katateqei sth Boylh.

Thn Pempth, o Prwqypoyrgos qa metabei sto Dhmo Axelwoy Karditsas, opoy qa exei thn eykairia -kai ayto einai symboliko se ena oreino Dhmo- na egkainiasei Kentro Ejyphrethshs Politwn.

Meta apo paraklhsh toy boyleyth Zakynqoy toy PASOK Dionysh Gkoyskoy, qa hqela na sas qesw ypoch epistolh pros thn efhmerida "To Paron", me aformh synenteyjh poy dhmosieythke sto kyriakatiko fylo.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Tzannetakoy oti stis ekloges toy Oktwbrioy prepei na katachfistei kai na apodokimastei to kybernhtiko ergo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena sxolio apo thn kybernhsh gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Tzannetakoy.

IWANNOY: Gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Xristodoyloy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch, oti einai diakritoi oi roloi metajy ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados -thn opoia sebomaste- kai ths Politeias. Otan, loipon, aytoi oi diakritoi roloi anagnwrizontai apo oloys, einai kalo kai gia thn Ekklhsia kai gia thn Politeia.

IWANNOY: Oysiastika, omws, h xqesinh dhlwsh toy htan mia emmesh symparastash sthn ypochfiothta toy k. Tzannetakoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa htan megalo laqos na ektimhqei apo kapoion etsi. O Arxiepiskopos eipe to aytonohto gia to rolo ths Ekklhsias. Kai emeis, polles fores, exoyme pei akribws to idio: Oti prepei na einai diakritoi oi roloi metajy Ekklhsias kai Politeias. H Politeia den mporei na epembainei sta eswterika qemata ths Ekklhsias kai h Ekklhsia den exei ws rolo na asxoleitai me qemata poy aforoyn thn Politeia kai toys qesmoys ths. Epimenoyme se ayth th logikh twn diakritwn rolwn. Gnwrizete to sebasmo poy trefoyme sthn Ekklhsia ths Elladas kai to dialogo poy yparxei gia mia seira qemata koinoy endiaferontos metajy Ekklhsias kai Politeias.

MPOTWNHS: Den apantate stis dhlwseis toy k. Tzannetakoy h den sas endiaferei poy qa katachfistei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Diaqetete th stoixeiwdh ejypnada gia na katalabete ti eipa. Apo ekei kai pera, den briskw to logo na apantw se dhlwseis toy k. Tzannetakoy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Pera toy an qelete na sxoliasete h oxi to ti eipe o k. Tzannetakos, fainetai tis teleytaies hmeres oti h N.D. yioqetei mia sklhrh taktikh, toylaxiston gia th maxh ths Ypernomarxias. Kai ayto exei na kanei me para polles aities. Qa hqela na moy peite, pws skeftetai h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei ayth thn taktikh poy einai genikoterh kai den ekfrazetai mono mesa apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Tzannetakoy. Ayth thn taktikh, peri toy "steilte mhnyma poy eidame mesa apo polla reportaz oti qa einai to kentriko synqhma ths N.D." pws qa thn antimetwpisete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi ypochfioi gia thn Ypernomarxia, tis Nomarxies kai toys Dhmoys qa prepei na anaptyssoyn to programma toys gia th dioikhsh poy skeftontai na askhsoyn, an eklegoyn bebaiws, kai oxi na asxoloyntai me qemata poy den toys aforoyn. Oi ekloges aytes exoyn idiaiterh shmasia. Se aytes tis ekloges krinetai -kai ayto einai ena politiko zhthma- to mellon ths Aytodioikhshs. Einai to mono mhnyma poy mporei na yparjei apo aytes tis ekloges. Einai, loipon, safes, gi` ayto kai throyme ayth th stash, oti oloi prepei na kataqetoyme tis apoceis mas gia thn Aytodioikhsh. Eidika aytoi poy einai ypochfioi, prepei na kataqetoyn tis apoceis toys gia th Nomarxia h to Dhmo opoy qetoyn thn ypochfiothta toys. Aytos einai o rolos toys kai ayto epiqymoyn oi polites. To erwthma poy tiqetai pros toys polites einai poio programma, poia qesh kai bebaiws poia proswpa -giati paizoyn megalo rolo ta proswpa- epiqymoyn na anadeijoyn ws nomarxes kai dhmarxoys kai na doylecoyme mazi toys gia ta epomena tessera xronia. Fantasteite ti qa ginei an epixeirhqei na doqei h opoiadhpote allh skopimothta. Se ayth thn periptwsh, to mono poy qa epiteyxqei einai na ypotajoyme tis epiloges gia ena qesmo, poy diadramatizei terastio rolo sthn koinwnia kai th xwra mas, se mikrokommatikes epidiwjeis kai symferonta. Makria apo emas oi mikrokommatikes epidiwjeis kai ta symferonta oson afora thn Aytodioikhsh. Pisteyoyme sto qesmo, pisteyoyme sto mellon toy. Einai gnwsto oti exoyme symporeytei mazi toy para polla xronia kai exoyme bohqhsei sthn anabaqmish toy. Prepei na eklegoyn nomarxes kai dhmarxoi poy qa eggywntai oti o qesmos qa brei enan akomh kalytero dromo, wste na ejyphretei toys polites, thn koinwnia, thn topikh anaptyjh. Aytos einai o rolos ths Aytodioikhshs kai ayto einai to politiko mhnyma twn eklogwn.

Qelw na epishmanw oti ean epixeirhqei apo to komma ths N.D. -to tonisa kai xqes- na ekbiastoyn me kapoion tropo oi polites, akomh kai oi chfoforoi ths, to piqanotero poy qa ginei, opws ginetai se oles aytes tis periptwseis, einai na mhn apodextoyn ton ekbiasmo kai na apanthsoyn stelnontas to mhnyma diaforetika.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Dhladh, apo o,ti katalaba arneiste oti qa einai politikopoihmenes aytes oi ekloges ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: To politiko erwthma einai meizon kai afora to mellon ths Aytodioikhshs.

TAKHS: To gegonos oti h ka Mpakogiannh prohgeitai kata 20 monades apo ton k. Papoytsh sas problhmatizei, dedomenoy oti o k. Papoytshs einai koryfaio stelexos toy PASOK kai exei ayth thn poly xamhlh aphxhsh stoys polites;

PRWTOPAPAS: To ti yposthrizei sthn Aqhna o erwtwmenos, einai poly gnwsto kai to exw pei polles fores se synenteyjeis kai se dhlwseis moy, ypo thn idiothta ws politikoy stelexoys toy PASOK kai oxi me ayth toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Exw dhlwsei pws proswpika tassomai yper ths ekloghs ths kas Gennhmata sthn Ypernomarxia, toy k. Papoytsh sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas kai toy k. Mpeteniwth sto Dhmo toy Peiraia. Apo ekei kai pera, einai safes oti o kaqe ypochfios kai o kaqe syndyasmos prepei na ajiopoioyn tis metrhseis kai tis dhmoskophseis. Alla, oi dhmoskophseis den chfizoyn. Profanws, exoyn xrhsima stoixeia, ta opoia otan ajiopoiei kaqe syndyasmos, kaqe ypochfios mporei na ejagei xrhsima symperasmata. Apomenei polys kairos mexri tis ekloges kai para polla mporei na allajoyn. Ayto, omws, einai ena qema poy afora toys idioys toys syndyasmoys kai toys idioys toys ypochfioys. Ektimw oti mexri tis dhmotikes kai tis nomarxiakes ekloges qa exoyme ena endiaferon xroniko diasthma. Prepei na symbaloyme oloi ws polites, me thn koybenta mas gia thn Aytodioikhsh, gia ta eidika qemata kaqe dhmarxias kai nomoy gia thn poreia pros to mellon. Ayth prepei na einai h politikh koybenta, aytos prepei na einai o politikos dialogos ayto to diasthma.

IWANNOY: Symfwna me thn apanthsh sas, den qewreite, loipon, kai dedomenh, meta apo ayth th megalh diafora poy blepoyme na exei h ka Gennhmata enanti toy k. Tzannetakoy kai thn anametrhsh sthn Ypernomarxia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qewrw tipota dedomeno. Exw topoqethqei, kat` epanalhch, stis dhmoskophseis kai den protiqemai na allajw mia monimh grammh thn opoia exw. To paradeigma ths Germanias prepei na mas problhmatisei oloys. Mexri prin treis mhnes, oi dhmoskophseis efernan ws bebaio nikhth ton ypochfio toy Xristianodhmokratikoy Kommatos. Kai omws, shmera, yparxei enas allos nikhths, einai o nyn kagkelarios Srenter kai to Sosialdhmokratiko Komma. Ayto shmainei oti oi dhmoskophseis katagrafoyn kapoia pragmata, dinoyn ta dika toys mhnymata, periexoyn ergaleia xrhshs, alla h chfos toy laoy mporei ana pasa stigmh na tis anatrecei, dioti ayth einai kaqoristikh. Kai o laos, sthn poreia pros tis ekloges, krinei me bash polla pragmata. Ekeino poy qelw na epishmanw einai oti krinei me bash to ti prosdoka apo ayton poy epilegei kai poios mporei na epilysei kalytera ta problhmata toy. Dioti krinei me bash ta problhmata toy kai oxi skopimothtes h ekbiasmoys apo ton opoiondhpote. Ara, an kapoios Nomarxhs h Dhmarxos topoqeteitai kalytera sta problhmata, einai safes oti qa exei pleonekthma.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean qa problhmatisteite -kai qa sas parakalesw otan qa bgalete ta symperasmata sas- gia to ti eftaije kai o k. Srenter epese ws kybernhsh kata treis monades kai eseis ws kybernhsh, an piqanon na fobaste kati analogo apo th symperifora...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto einai to mhnyma apo tis ekloges sth Germania;

MIXAHL: An qelete na milhsoyme gia to ti mhnyma phra, qa sas apanthsw kai egw oti oi Sosialdhmokrates den eixan problhma na synergastoyn me toys Prasinoys, eseis epimenete sthn aytodynamia. Den qa erqoyme se mia sygkroysh metajy mas. Egw qelw na maqw oti aytoi epesan treis monades, giati akoloyqhsan mia politikh kai eseis...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete ajiologhsei laqos to apotelesma twn germanikwn eklogwn.

MIXAHL: Ayto afhste na to ajiologhsw egw. Qelw, loipon, na sas rwthsw praktika: O k. Srenter epese dyomisi me treis monades. Ayto einai mia pragmatikothta poy kaneis den amfisbhtei. To erwthma einai, ean h ptwsh ayth qa sas problhmatisei apo thn apoch toy ti eidoys politikh akoloyqhse kai an eseis pisteyete oti h dikh sas politikh exei omoiothtes poy prepei na allajete h den exei kai akoloyqeite mia allh politikh poy den qa sas ephreasei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw th gnwmh oti ajiologhsate laqos ta teleytaia eklogika apotelesmata. H qewria poy mexri protinos yphrxe oti exoyme synthrhtikh palinorqwsh sthn Eyrwph, den isxyei. Ayto ajiologw ws prwto kai kyrio apo to eklogiko apotelesma sth Germania. Prepei na katalabainoyme kai na ajiologoyme to meizon kai oxi to elasson. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqe laos chfizei opws aytos qelei kai bebaiws, exei tis idiaiterothtes toy. Krinei me bash tis dikes toy anagkes. An, omws, me rwtate, ean h politikh ths Symmaxias Sosialdhmokratwn-Prasinwn sthn Eyrwph -oson afora eidika thn E.E.- htan qetikh, apantw eyqews "nai". Prowqhse thn eyrwpaikh oloklhrwsh, th dikh mas logikh gia thn koinwnikh Eyrwph, th logikh ths dieyrynshs me ton tropo poy thn antilambanomaste kai emeis. Epishs, prowqei thn entajh ths Kyproy me ton tropo poy thn antilambanomaste kai emeis. Einai mia politikh poy mas briskei symfwnoys sta eyrwpaika kai dieqnh qemata. Den qa krinw fysika, ayth th stigmh, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, to eswteriko ths xwras, dioti den einai swsto. Ws politikos qa mporoysa na sas pw oti symfwnw se para polla.

ALEJAKHS: Meta th nikh toy k. Srenter sth Germania kai tis ekpefrasmenes apoceis toy gia allagh toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas, elastikh dhmosionomikh

politikh poy akoygetai kai apo alles perioxes ths Eyrwphs, kai enocei ths synqeshs toy neoy Proypologismoy, arxhs genomenhs apo thn Tetarth, h ellhnikh pleyra syntassei to sxedio toy Proypologismoy me bash ta dedomena anaireshs tmhmatwn toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas kai an oxi, poia einai h qesh ths;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Emeis epimenoyme sto Symfwno Staqerothtas. Pisteyoyme oti h thrhsh toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas einai qetikh gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia, gia tis prooptikes kai thn antagwnistikothta kai gia toys Ellhnes polites.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti qa diadramatisoyn kapoio rolo sth diamorfwsh politikoy klimatos, enocei twn dikwn mas dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn, to apotelesma twn germanikwn eklogwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sta eyrwpaika pragmata qa diadramatisei idiaitero rolo. Exw pei, kata kairoys -to eipa kai shmera- oti oi nomarxiakes kai oi dhmotikes ekloges einai ekloges gia thn Aytodioikhsh. Ara, qa diadramatisei idiaitero rolo to programma kaqe ypochfioy, h dynatothta toy na peisei gia to programma toy. Oi politikes prooptikes gia to mellon ths Aytodioikhshs ephreazoyn epishs kai bebaiws, ephreazei h proswpikothta kaqe ypochfioy. Yparxei synarthsh olwn aytwn twn pragmatwn. Qa deite, isws, pragmata ta opoia qa dhmioyrghsoyn erwthmata. Fantazomai oti qa yparxoyn perioxes opoy politika qa pleiochfei to PASOK, poy mporei na mhn kerdisei to Dhmo kai qa yparxoyn kai alloi Dhmoi opoy politika qa pleiochfei h N.D., opoy o ypochfios poy qa yposthrizetai apo to PASOK, qa mporei piqanon na eklegei kai apo ton a@ gyro. Ola ayta deixnoyn oti to qema ths Aytodioikhshs einai poly eyrytero -me barynoysa politikh shmasia, anamfibola- apo th stenh logikh, opws anhkeis sto komma poy sthrizeis etsi kai chfizeis. Giati enas poliths mporei na ektima oti o ypochfios dhmarxos poy sthrizei to komma toy sthn a@ h sth b@ perioxh, den einai xrhsimos gia th beltiwsh ths poiothtas ths zwhs toy. Ti qa kanei; Qa prepei na ypostei tessera xronia arnhtikes synepeies se baros toy proswpoy kai ths oikogeneias toy, gia na sthrijei apla kapoion poy ypedeije to komma; An einai dynaton! H koinwnia einai zwntanh kai epilegei.

IWANNOY: Gnwrizete an yparxoyn kapoies anakoinwseis apo to YPEJ gia ton Giaser Arafat;

PRWTOPAPAS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy eixe xqes thlefwnikh epikoinwnia me to Giaser Arafat kai shmera me th danikh Proedria, ton k. Meler. Yparxoyn dhlwseis. Mporw na sas tonisw oti metefere kai pali th symparastash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Jekaqarise oti pisteyoyme pws o Giaser Arafat -kai ayth einai h qesh mas- einai o nomimos ekproswpos toy palaistiniakoy laoy. Tonise oti prepei na analhfqoyn oles oi anagkaies prwtoboylies me th bohqeia kai ths E.E., wste na breqei kai pali mia dieyqethsh ths krishs poy parathrhqhke kai na mpoyme kai pali se nees diapragmateyseis gia thn eirhnh. Ypogrammise thn antiqesh mas, opws panta, se tromokratikes epiqeseis kai thn anagkh na elegxqoyn kai na timwrhqoyn aytoi oi opoioi tis prokaloyn. Epishs, zhthse apo th danikh Proedria na epitaxynqoyn oi diadikasies gia thn askhsh prwtoboyliwn kai pieshs apo thn pleyra ths E.E.. Ontws, anamenetai na anaxwrhsei antiproswpeia, h legomenh "twn tessarwn", E.E, HPA, Rwsias kai OHE, h opoia qa epixeirhsei na exei synanthseis -tonizw to "epixeirhsei"- me ton k. Saron kai ton k. Arafat, prokeimenoy na dieykolynei thn enarjh kai pali twn synomiliwn.

POYLIDOY: Qelw na sas rwthsw, apo th Synodo Koryfhs sth Sebillh, exoyme mia ekkremothta sto qema toy legomenoy eyrwstratoy, thn antikatastash S. FOX sthn Prwhn Gioygkoslabikh Dhmokratia ths Makedonias, an exoyme kati neotero ep` aytoy, an eiste enhmeros...

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixame dhlwsei prin apo merikes hmeres oti eimaste etoimoi na symballoyme se ayth thn antikatastash mesa apo ad hoc diadikasia. An yparxoyn kai neoteres ejelijeis, eyxaristws na sas enhmerwsw, alla den blepw na yparxoyn, ayth th stigmh. Den fainetai oti exei allajei kati sthn toyrkikh stash. Alla, ayto, opws gnwrizete, einai ena qema poy ana pasa stigmh mporei na exei ejelijh, den shmainei oti qa einai etsi mexri teloys.

Sas eyxaristw.

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