Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-09-17

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 17 Septembrioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na sas rwthsw, ean meta thn apofash ths irakinhs kybernhshs na dexqei aney orwn toys elegktes toy OHE, qewreite oti yparxei kapoia allagh sta dedomena enanti ths eperxomenhs polemikhs syrrajhs sto Irak;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opwsdhpote kai h analhch eyqynhs apo ton OHE kai h apodoxh ek meroys toy Irak toy elegxoy toy Dieqnoys Organismoy, einai dyo qetikes ejelijeis. Den mporoyme na problecoyme, isws, to synolo twn ejelijewn poy qa yparjoyn. Qewrw, omws, oti to Irak, orqws apodexetai ton elegxo kai bebaiws qa exoyme thn eykairia, me bash tis dynatothtes askhshs enos swstoy elegxoy kai ta porismata poy qa prokycoyn apo ayton, symfwna bebaiws me tis apofaseis toy OHE, na bgaloyme ta symperasmata mas. Olos o kosmos parakoloyqei me agwnia ayth thn ypoqesh. Qeloyme na breqei mia lysh sto plaisio ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas kai toy OHE. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti exoyme ekfrasei kai tis antirrhseis mas kai tis epifylajeis mas gia to qema toy polemoy. Qeloyme na xeiristei to qema o OHE kai mesa se ayto to plaisio na breqei koina apodekth lysh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa diabasate ki eseis ston Typo shmera, oti anhsyxhtika mhnymata erxontai apo tis Bryjelles, oson afora thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Fainetai oti h E.E. prosanatolizetai sthn energopoihsh toy teleytaioy arqroy ``9B'', poy anaferetai sthn apofash toy Elsinki, ennow, oti to teliko apotelesma qa ginei thn teleytaia stigmh, analoga me ta dedomena ekeinhs ths stigmhs. H ellhnikh kybernhsh anhsyxei gia thn peraiterw poreia, oson afora thn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy; Dioti o Prwqypoyrgos sthn DEQ -egw toylaxiston to ejelaba ws yperaisiodojo- eipe oti telika h Kypros qa entaxqei sthn kaqorismenh hmeromhnia, ennow to Dekembrh sthn E.E.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto edeije thn apofasistikothta kai th qelhsh ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Apo polles apoceis, poly kala kanei o Prwqypoyrgos kai epideiknyei ayth thn apofasistikothta stis kinhseis mas. Dioti ean den yparjei kati tetoio apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, katalabainete oti qa stelname mhnymata poy den qa htan ayta poy prepei na stelnoyme stoys etairoys mas. H safhs proqesh ths Elladas, oti qa ginoyn ta panta, prokeimenoy na entaxqei h Kypriakh Dhmokratia sthn E.E., stelnei to mhnyma ths apofasistikothtas poy phgainei pros oles tis kateyqynseis. H ellhnikh kybernhsh qewrei oti h Kypriakh Dhmokratia dikaioytai, me bash ta krithria ths E.E. kai tis apofaseis toy Elsinki, thn entajh ths. H dieyrynsh prepei na jekinhsei apo thn Kypro. Kai einai safes oti ayth einai h staqerh apofash mas. Se ayto emmenoyme kai qa anaptyjoyme oles tis dieqneis prwtoboylies pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Bebaiws, diabasa ki egw apo thlegrafhmata dieqnwn Praktoreiwn kapoies qeseis h gnwmes diplwmatikwn phgwn, opws legoyn. Ekeino poy qelw na kanw safes einai oti epishmws mexri twra den exei ginei kapoia anafora apo epishmo organo ths E.E. H qesh mas einai kai qa einai pantote safhs pros oles tis kateyqynseis: H dieyrynsh jekina apo thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas koyrasw allh mia fora me to erwthma poy sas qetw kat epanalhch: An para tayta ta qetika, fqasoyme se ena epikindyno shmeio, h Ellada qa energopoihsei to veto, opws exei dikaiwma; Ayto einai ena terastio zhthma poy apasxolei ton kypriako ellhnismo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai safhs oti h dieyrynsh ths E.E., symfwna kai me toys kanonismoys poy yparxoyn, ta krithria poy exoyn teqei kai tis apofaseis toy Elsinki, jekina apo thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias. Einai safes oti ayto qa to yperaspistoyme mexri teloys. Ayto einai to ena. To deytero, bebaiws -epitrecte moy me thn eykairia na sas pw- oti einai gnwstes oi apoceis poy ejefrase o Ellhnas Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy pros ton omologo toy twn HPA, me thn eykairia ths syzhthshs poy eixan gia seira qematwn, metajy twn opoiwn kai to Kypriako. Ayto to blepete shmera se oles tis ellhnikes efhmerides.

ARGYROS: Eipate gia ton k. Paoyel. Pws sxoliazete th qesh toy oti einai qetikes oi apoceis toy k. Ntenktas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mas kalyptei plhrws h topoqethsh toy Ellhna Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Einai safes oti gia to sxedio poy anaptyssei o k. Ntenktas , den yparxei symfwnia apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, oyte apo thn kypriakh bebaiws.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: To erwthma htan oti o k. Paoyel ejefrase....

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes, opws tonise kai o Ellhnas Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, oti yparxei diafwnia se ayto. To sxedio poy anaptyssei o k. Ntenktas den einai apodekto se kamia periptwsh apo thn ellhnikh, alla, panw ap` ola, apo thn pleyra ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, me thn opoia, opws gnwrizete, sympleoyme apolyta.

KONTOPOYLOS: Pisteyei h kybernhsh oti me apagoreyseis mporei na epilyqei to problhma poy exei anakycei me tis dhlwseis toy kratoymenoy Sabba Jhroy apo ton Korydallo, dhladh, h lysh einai oi apagoreyseis; Ayth einai h kateyqynsh toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, h apofash einai toy organoy dioikhshs twn fylakwn....

KONTOPOYLOS: To opoio elegxetai apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Diorizetai. Apo kei kai pera, prepei na jekaqarisoyme kati. Ean, gia paradeigma, h eikona thn opoia eidame oloi -kai opws eipa ofeiloyme na antidrasoyme- me kratoymeno poy exei apodexqei tromokratikes prajeis, dolofonies kai lhsteies, na apeilei anwtatoys dikastikoys eyqews kai na legei oti ``ean hmoyn eleyqeros qa ton skotwna'' ennowntas ton Eisaggelea k. Diwth, apaitei thn antidrash olwn mas. Edw prepei na jekaqarisoyme kati: O stoxos, bebaia, einai na timwrhqoyn, mesa apo tis diadikasies ths Dikaiosynhs oi ypeyqynoi gia tis tromokratikes prajeis, tis dolofonies kai tis lhsteies. Ektos an taytoxrona exoyme apodexqei oloi kai exoyme symfwnhsei oti stoxos einai na apomyqopoihqei kai h drash twn tromokratikwn organwsewn kai oi idioi oi tromokrates. Einai safes oti orismenoi qeloyn na politikopoihsoyn ayth thn ypoqesh. Qeloyn kai pali na arxisoyn na emfanizoyn toys tromokrates, ws dhqen epanastates h agwnistes. E, loipon, den einai oyte epanastates, oyte koinwnikoi agwnistes. Foniades kai lhstes einai. Prepei telika na doyme ap` olh ayth thn ypoqesh ti qa meinei pisw, giati to qewrw xreos kai eyqynh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai bebaiws olwn twn politikwn kommatwn, alla kai twn MME, na symbaloyn sthn apomyqopoihsh ths tromokratias, thn apallagh mas apo ayto to agos poy mas talaipwrhse epi 27 xronia. As mhn oxyrwnomaste pisw apo diadikastikes kinhseis. To na epixeiroyme na agiopoihsoyme enan tromokrath, den einai mia prajh poy symballei se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Orqws, kapoia stigmh yphrjan antidraseis. Den einai dynaton kapoios kratoymenos na bgainei -kai malista xwris na exei oloklhrwqei h dikh- kai na yponomeyei sthn oysia olh th diadikasia poy ginetai ayth th stigmh, alla kai apo thn allh na apeilei eyqews th zwh anwtatwn dikastikwn leitoyrgwn kai na mhn antidra kaneis. Se ola yparxoyn kapoia oria.

KONTOPOYLOS: Dhladh, oi synenteyjeis kai to yliko poy proekyce apo tis synenteyjeis aytes, den symbaloyn sthn apomyqopoihsh h telos pantwn sto na bgalei kaqenas ta symperasmata toy kai h idia h koinwnia na gnwrizei ti pragmatika pisteyoyn. Molis sxoliasete kai topoqethqhkate politika, akribws se kati poy proekyce apo aytes tis synenteyjeis. An dhladh den ginontan aytes oi synenteyjeis, eseis den qa mporoysate pote na bgalete ayto to symperasma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Na eiste bebaios oti sth dikh, opws kai sth diarkeia ths prodiadikasias, o,ti qelei na pei o kaqenas, qa to pei. Exei ayto to dikaiwma. Dhmokratia exoyme sthn Ellada. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti ayta poy hqelan na poyn oi kathgoroymenoi ta elegan kai piqanon apo tis gnwstes phges qa ta edinan kai pros ta ejw, aytoi poy hqelan na ta dwsoyn. Eleyqeroi qa einai na ta poyn kai sto dikasthrio. Omws, einai diaforetiko ayto kai diaforetikh h diadikasia, mesa apo mia dramatopoihsh ths katastashs kai mia diadikasia synenteyjewn se synexeia, na ginetai hqelhmena h aqela mia politikopoihsh ayths ths ypoqeshs kai mia prospaqeia -qa elega kai isws na fanei yperboliko- agiopoihshs twn tromokratwn. Yparxei eleyqeria ekfrashs. Einai dedomenh. Ekeino poy prepei na skeftoyme einai, oxi mono oti ejarqrwqhke yphresiaka h 17N, alla an stis nees genies qa dwsoyme ena paradeigma gyrw apo to pws antidra h organwmenh koinwnia apenanti se ayta ta fainomena h qa anexqoyme ayrio mia piqanh epanalhch apo kapoioys alloys. Den qa dhmioyrghsoyme toys oroys, wste na apomyqopoihqei plhrws ayth h istoria ths tromokratias poy apeilei th Dhmokratia; Nai h oxi; Exoyme symfwnhsei se ayto; Pisteyw pws exoyme symfwnhsei. Ara, qa prepei na apodexqoyme kai kapoia pragmata. Qa prepei oloi na analaboyme tis eyqynes mas. Emeis tis analabame, opws eidate kai me th xqesinh apofash, apo ena organo ths Politeias. Apo ekei kai pera, perimenoyme th sthrijh kai th symmetoxh olwn.

IWANNOY: Dia stomatos Jhroy, to epixeirhma twn tromokratwn einai oti symplhrwnei h diorqwnei oti o logos yparjhs toys ofeiletai sth mh kalh leitoyrgia toy kratoys. Dedomenoy, loipon, oti to idio proswpo milhse gia para polloys "syntrofoys" toy poy yparxoyn ektos Korydalloy kai me dedomeno tis apeiles poy anaferate prohgoymenws, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean anhsyxeite gia kapoia peraiterw endexomenws xtyphmata kai pws skefteste na antimetwpisete ayto to skhniko poy sthnetai mesa apo ton Korydallo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw gia pollosth fora shmera oti h 17N exei ejarqrwqei, den mporei na mas blacei, den mporei na kanei epixeirhseis. Bebaiws, h ereyna synexizetai kai mporei na prokycoyn kai alla stoixeia gia alloys. Alla, h organwsh ayth th stigmh den yparxei, den mporei na leitoyrghsei kai den mporei na synexisei na mas blaptei. Qelw na sas kanw safes kai an qelete na kwdikopoihsw kai thn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy: O stoxos ths prospaqeias mas den prepei na einai mono h ejarqrwsh twn tromokratikwn organwsewn, alla kai h apomyqopoihsh ths tromokratias, ayths ths apeilhs kata ths Dhmokratias. Prepei na paradwsoyme sta paidia mas mia diaforetikh katastash. Se ayto exoyme eyqynh oloi. An twra, epanalhfqoyn tetoia fainomena, bebaiws h Politeia panta exei th dynatothta na ta antimetwpisei. Sas diabebaiwnw gi` ayto.

ARGYROS: Ti metrhse sthn apofash ths Dioikhshs twn fylakwn gia ton proaylismo Giwtopoyloy, Koyfontina, Papanastasioy kai an hsaste ikanopoihmenos apo th xqesinh apofash ths Dioikhshs twn fylakwn, sxetika me tis synenteyjeis toy Sabba Jhroy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, exw hdh topoqethqei. Oson afora to prwto qema h Dioikhsh twn fylakwn se synergasia me ton epopteyonta eisaggelea kai ektimwntas mia seira katastaseis, poy den mporw na gnwrizw bebaiws kai prokyptoyn apo toys idioys toys kratoymenoys, kaqorizei me poion tropo qa ginetai o proaylismos, wste na mh dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata. Apo o,ti gnwrizw, oi proaylismoi exoyn xronikh diarkeia miamish wra to prwi kai miamish wra to apogeyma.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh ayth h ypoqesh trabaei treis mhnes kai qa trabhjei poly kai epeidh exoyme ena ikano yliko, to opoio mas dinei thn aisqhsh oti akomh yparxoyn sobara, anapanthta erwthmatika...

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporeite na moy peite merika;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Gia paradeigma, yparxei ekqesh twn diwktikwn arxwn oti oi kalykes apo tis sfaires, poy egine h dolofonia toy Goyels, proerxontan apo NATOikh paraggelia. Mporeite na to deite stis ekqeseis poy exei ypoch toy to ypoyrgei Dhmosias Tajhs. Yparxei, epishs, allo ena anapanthto erwthmatiko gia to pws gnwrizan oi tromokrates oti o Simpaxiogloy, thn hmera poy ton ektelesan, den eixe synodeia. Epeidh, loipon, ayta ta erwthmatika den exoyn apanthqei, mhpws skeptetai o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, ws epopteywn politika olh ayth thn ypoqesh, na dwsei mia synenteyjh Typoy stoys dhmosiografoys, wste na apanthsei se ayta h kai se alla h se opoia mporei, en pash periptwsei, xwris na yparxoyn problhmata epikoinwnias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den protiqetai h kybernhsh na ypokatasthsei tis dikastikes arxes. Ayth th stigmh, h ereyna brisketai sta xeria toy Symboylioy Efetwn kai stoys treis ekproswpoys poy exei orisei. Kanoyn poly kala th doyleia toys kai synergazontai me tis diwktikes arxes. Olh h ypoqesh epopteyetai, se anwtato epipedo, apo toys eisaggeleis. Pisteyw oti h kybernhsh den mporei, den qelei kai den prepei na ypokaqista olh ayth th diadikasia. Den einai dynato na parembainoyme kai na ephreazoyme to ergo ths anakrishs, oyte prepei kai eseis na to zhtate. Oson afora ta erwthmata, na eiste bebaios oti qa apanthqoyn ola, giati einai tetoia h doyleia poy ginetai ayth th stigmh, wste kanena qema den qa meinei xwris apanthsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Den ejefrasa amfibolia gia to an qa apanthqoyn...

PRWTOPAPAS: To ekfrazw ws bebaiothta ayto, me bash th sobarothta ths doyleias poy synteleitai kai thn apofasistikothta poy yparxei se ayth thn ereyna.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ayto einai ena "qa". H monh bebaiothta poy exoyme mexri stigmhs einai oti den exoyn apanthqei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Etsi legame oti "qa" toys piasoyme, alla epibebaiwqhkame. Meinete hsyxos, qa apanthqoyn ola.

MOYRTHS: H kybernhsh skeftetai na allajei h na tropopoihsei to swfronistiko kwdika, prokeimenoy na problefqei diaforetikh metaxeirish gia tromokrates kratoymenoys, se sxesh me to ti isxyei gia toys alloys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kamia tetoia proqesh.

KOYIN: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean sas anhsyxei to gegonos oti, anti na doyme mia apomyqopoihsh olhs ayths ths ypoqeshs, arxizei na moiazei me thleoptikh sapoynopera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me exei problhmatisei sobara. Den mporoyme, omws, na poyme gia ola ta kanalia, dioti qewrw oti yparxoyn polloi thleoptikoi staqmoi oi opoioi se ayto to trimhno exoyn krathsei th deoysa sobarothta kai exoyn symbalei sthn prospaqeia poy ginetai. Yparxoyn omws kai orismenoi poy panw apo ola qetoyn th qeamatikothta enanti pantos timhmatos, akomh kai an ayto den einai qetiko gia th Dhmokratia mas. Oloi krinomaste, omws. Giati, o ellhnikos laos kai matia exei kai aytia kai krinei.

MOYRTZHS: Ayto mporeite na mas to dieykrinisete; Kalesate ta MME na apomyqopoihsoyn toys tromokrates, na mhn epixeiroyn na agiopoioyn toys tromokrates. Qelw na moy peite eyqews, ean gi` aytes tis dyo synenteyjeis pisteyete oti den yphrxe xeirismos swstos, oti den htan cyxra dhmosiografika kai eixan antideontologika stoixeia.

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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