Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-07-02

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Ioylioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, problhmatizetai h kybernhsh apo ton tropo diarrohs orismenwn plhroforiwn, prin kan anakoinwqoyn kai mhpws aytos einai enas apo toys logoys kaqysterhshs sto na yparjoyn apotelesmata enantion ths tromokratias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth thn wra, eimaste se mia idiaitera eyaisqhth periodo. Gnwrizete oti yphrje ena sygkekrimeno gegonos, to perasmeno Sabbato. Gi` ayto to gegonos, yphrjan anakoinwseis ths astynomias gyrw apo to proswpo kai thn taytothta toy drasth ths tromokratikhs energeias, alla kai gia to oplo poy breqhke sto xwro poy epixeiroyse o drasths. Qelw na epishmanw to ejhs: Eimaste sth fash twn ereynwn. Ginontai ereynes pros oles tis anagkaies kateyqynseis. Einai mia idiaitera eyaisqhth fash. Den yparxei logos, oyte na anaptyssontai senaria, oyte na anaptyssetai parafilologia, alla oyte kai na ginontai yperaisiodojes ektimhseis. H astynomia kanei th doyleia ths me eyqynh kai qa thn kanei kala. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai oti prepei oloi mas na afhsoyme ta armodia organa na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Na eiste bebaioi oti, otan katalhjoyn me sigoyria se orismena symperasmata, qa mas ta anakoinwsoyn, opws kanoyn kai mexri twra. Epanalambanw oti einai wra eyqynhs kai prepei na antimetwpisoyme thn katastash me idiaiterh prosoxh. Oso ligotero syzhtoyme gi` ayta ta zhthmata, toso pio poly eleyqera kai ypeyqyna ta armodia organa kanoyn th doyleia toys. Epomenws, den yparxei kanenas logos, oyte gia diarroes, oyte gia prajeis poy dysxerainoyn to ergo ths astynomias.

KONTOPOYLOS: Akribws epeidh symbainoyn ayta, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh problhmatizetai kai lambanei metra gia na einai h idia kai oi yphresies stis opoies proistatai, pio apotelesmatikes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmati, prospaqoyme na laboyme metra. Pisteyw oti exei katablhqei megalh prospaqeia, me apotelesma na epideiknyetai idiaiterh sobarothta sto ergo twn armodiwn astynomikwn arxwn kai na mhn yparxoyn, oyte diarroes, oyte plhrofories poy den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta, oyte na dhmioyrgeitai ena klima poy den antistoixei sto sobaro ergo poy ginetai. Epanalambanw oti den dikaiologoyntai, ayth th stigmh, oyte senaria, oyte h anaptyjh mias parafilologias gyrw apo ayta ta qemata, oyte h kalliergeia klimatos yperaisiodojias. Me aisqhma eyqynhs kai xamhloys tonoys, prepei na ginei se baqos h ereyna.

KOYIN: Mporoyme, toylaxiston, na maqoyme ean se kybernhtiko epipedo exei zhthqei astynomikh syndromh apo alles xwres, opws p.x. apo thn Ispania;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti yparxei synexhs synergasia twn armodiwn arxwn me yphresies allwn xwrwn gyrw apo to qema ths tromokratias. Tipota perissotero.

BITALHS: Xqes to brady, h atyph synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs krathse peripoy tesseris wres. Sth diarkeia aytwn twn tessarwn wrwn, eixe thn eykairia o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi symmetexontes na qesoyn to qema ths tromokratias kai na to doyn ypo to fws twn newn ejelijewn poy yphrjan apo to gegonos toy Peiraia kai meta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eisagwgika o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwse gia thn teleytaia anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Sth synexeia, eipe -kai symfwnhsan oloi- oti einai skopimo na dwsoyme prwtoi to paradeigma twn xamhlwn tonwn kai ths mh peraiterw syzhthshs enos qematos, otan den yparxoyn sygkekrimenoi logoi. Oso ligotero syzhtoyme gyrw apo ayta ta zhthmata, toso perissotero dieykolynoyme ta armodia organa na kanoyn sobara th doyleia toys.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Pantws, h megalh syzhthsh jekinhse xqes, meta thn anakoinwsh toy Arxhgoy ths Astynomias. Anarwtiemai, an ayth h dhlwsh sas peri aisqhmatos eyqynhs apeyqynetai kai sthn hgesia ths astynomias.

PRWTOPAPAS: To antiqeto. Opws sas eipa, otan einai sigoyrh h EL.AS. gia kati, qa kanei dhmosia anakoinwsh. Htan sigoyrh gia to oplo kai proebh se dhmosia anakoinwsh. Ean den ginotan ayth h anakoinwsh -to katalabainete poly kala kai qelw na eimai apolytws eilikrinhs mazi sas- yphrxe to endexomeno na kindyneysoyme me mia tyxon diarroh poy qa dhmioyrgoyse sobara problhmata. Apo th stigmh poy eixe sigoyreytei h EL. AS. gia kati, phre thn eyqynh ths anakoinwshs. Kai ayto qa kanei kaqe fora. Qa yparxei anakoinwsh ths. Qa enhmerwneste me anakoinwseis ths astynomias, poy qa einai ypeyqynes kai qa antikatoptrizoyn thn pragmatikh eikona poy qa yparxei ekeinh th stigmh.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Xqes, omws, eidame oti kapoia thleoptika synergeia phran plana mesa apo troxospito, apo th mhxanh poy yphrxe egkataleleimmenh ekei. Qewreite qemito ayto to pragma, apo th stigmh poy diejagetai mia ereyna kai lete na kratame xamhloys tonoys kai na afhnoyme thn astynomia na kanei to ergo ths; Parola ayta, omws, blepoyme kai kapoia alla ta opoia epitrepontai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekeino poy qelw na sas epanalabw einai oti prepei na symbaloyme oloi se ayth thn prospaqeia. Kai otan lew oloi, fysika den ennow mono toys dhmosiografoys, alla kai emas toys politikoys, kaqws kai ta armodia astynomika organa. Oloi prepei na exoyme ypoch oti einai mia idiaitera sobarh ypoqesh kai oti xreiazetai pollh doyleia. H doyleia ayth den exei sygkekrimeno xroniko orizonta. Den mporei na leitoyrgei ypo piesh kanena armodio organo. Ginetai mia sobarh doyleia, prepei kai emeis na kataqesoyme th symbolh mas kai prepei na th dieykolynoyme. To "emeis", apeyqynete se oloys.

TAKHS: Epeidh yparxei mia qolh eikona, sxetika me to oplo, ean einai to oplo poy exei xrhsimopoihqei kai se alles dolofonies ths 17N h an den exei xrhsimopoihqei, ti symbainei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ontws! Kai ayto, epeidh oloi leitoyrgoyn ypo to kratos ths pieshs. Apo ekei kai pera, yphrje deyterh grapth epishmh anakoinwsh, sthn opoia to qema jekaqaristhke. Einai to oplo toy astynomikoy poy foneyqhke to 1984. Ayto to oplo den eixe xrhsimopoihqei pote. Omws, o astynomikos dolofonhqhke me to oplo poy xrhsimopoihse h 17N, se mia seira allwn periptwsewn, opws oi epiqeseis enantion twn Androylidakh, Tarasoylea kai Peratikoy, alla kai se mia seira apo alles egklhmatikes energeies, lhsteies k.t.l. Epomenws: To oplo me to opoio dolofonhqhke o astynomikos eixe xrhsimopoihqei gia th dolofonia qymatwn ths 17N. Ayth einai h synarthsh. To oplo poy breqhke twra, anhke sto dolofonhqenta astynomiko kai den exei xrhsimopoihqei se egklhmatikh energeia.

SPYRAKH: Dedomenoy oti to oplo ayto htan katagegrammeno, dhladh eixe ariqmo, pws dikaiologei, an dikaiologei, h Astynomia to gegonos oti enas anqrwpos poy phge na balei bomba ston Peiraia, efere mazi toy ayto to oplo, to opoio sth moiraia periptwsh htan seshmasmeno. Dhladh, ton ypodeiknye. Pws to dikaiologeite ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw na exete thn apaithsh apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo na kanei astynomiko reportaz. Ayta qa eipwqoyn otan erqei h wra ths synenteyjhs Typoy ths EL.AS. kai monon apo aythn, h opoia qa einai se qesh -otan krinei oti xreiazetai- na kanei ton apologismo olhs ayths ths ypoqeshs, na mas enhmerwsei gia ola. Kai emeis -qelw na to jekaqarisw ayto- enhmerwnomaste gia tis epixeirhsiakes leptomereies apo tis anakoinwseis ths EL.AS. Epitrecte moy, me olh thn eilikrineia poy exei h sxesh mas, na sas pw na mh qewreite pws yparxei kati se politiko epipedo, to opoio emeis ayth th stigmh gnwrizoyme kai sas to apokryptoyme. Oloi enhmerwnomaste apo tis anakoinwseis ths EL.AS. Ayth exei thn epixeirhsiakh eyqynh kai kanei sobara th doyleia ths. To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme, einai me xamhloys tonoys -kai to tonizw ayto- na anamenoyme tis ejelijeis.

GKROMAN: Sxetika me toys xamhloys tonoys, symfwnei h kybernhsh me th diadikasia ths Astynomias na syndesei to oplo poy breqhke sto limani me kapoia alla stoixeia ths ``17 Noembrh'', xwris na yparxei mia amesh syndesh kai na bgei na to anakoinwsei se ektakth synenteyjh Typoy o Arxhgos ths;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Arxhgos ths Astynomias, otan exei oloklhrwmenh eikona kai sigoyria gia ena gegonos, krinei oti prepei na to anakoinwsei. Katalabainete poly kala oti apo th stigmh poy h Astynomia exei sigoyreytei gia thn proeleysh toy oploy, to kalytero poy eixe na kanei htan na to anakoinwsei. Dioti, ean den to anakoinwne qa yphrxe kai o kindynos kapoias diarrohs kai katalabainete oti tote h katastash qa htan poly xeiroterh. O,ti einai sigoyro, o,ti einai elegmeno kai o,ti mporei na anakoinwqei qa anakoinwnetai apo thn idia thn Astynomia. Qelw na sas qymisw oti o k. Nasiakos den anakoinwse symperasmata. Anakoinwse gegonota. Tipota allo. Ta symperasmata anhkoyn sthn analysh.

GKROMAN: Nai, alla, k. Ypoyrge, anakoinwse dyo diaforetika gegonota, gia ta opoia, oysiastika, fwtografizei kai mia syndesh toys, paroysiazontas ta dyo gegonota sth synenteyjh Typoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prokeitai gia pragmatiko gegonos, oti o astyfylakas o opoios eixe dolofonhqei sthn Aqhna apo th 17 Noembrh, htan tote o katoxos aytoy toy oploy. Ean den to elege, katalabainete poly kala, oti qa mporoyse se kapoia fash na dhmioyrghqei problhma.

KOYIN: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sygnwmh poy qa sas kanw ayth thn erwthsh, alla yparxoyn diafora reportaz shmera poy syndeoyn ena apo ta atoma toy periballontos aytoy toy kyrioy me th bomba, me to epaggelmatiko periballon toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Sas rwtw, dioti feretai ayth h kyria na htan kai h makigiez kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa mpw se asteiothtes. Katalabainete poly kala oti qa synistoysa se osoys epixeiroyn na kanoyn tetoia reportaz na einai kai cyxraimoi kai ypeyqynoi.

KOYIN: Sas rwtw, giati exei dhmosieyqei se arketes efhmerides shmera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa synistoysa se oloys osoi biazontai, na einai kai cyxraimoi kai ypeyqynoi. Apo kei kai pera, ayto poy qelw na tonisw, einai: xamhloi tonoi, dieykolynsh toy ergoy twn armodiwn arxwn, oxi kalliergeia yperaisiodojias, oxi senaria, anamonh twn ejelijewn. Kai qa sas to jekaqarisw giati qelw na eimaste eilikrineis: Den yparxoyn xronikoi periorismoi se ayta ta zhthmata. Katalabainw thn agwnia sas kai thn epaggelmatikh prospaqeia sas na eiste synepeis. To sebomai apolyta. Kai egw sth qesh sas to idio qa ekana, alla prepei na ginei katanohto oti den yparxoyn xronikoi prosdiorismoi. Den leitoyrgoyn me wres ayta ta zhthmata.

KWNSTANTHS: Katalabainoyme gia th mystikothta twn ereynwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai mystikothta, mh nomizete oti sas kryboyme kapoia symperasmata poy yparxoyn.

KWNSTANTHS: Allo hqela na rwthsw: Ean se kapoia fash, otan yparxoyn kapoia ajiologa eyrhmata, qa enhmerwqoyn ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs exoyn hdh enhmerwqei, apo ton armodio ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh. Sygkekrimena, hdh, o k. Xrysoxoidhs exei synomilhsei me ton Proedro toy SYN kai me th Genikh Grammateas toy KKE. Epishs, exei zhthsei na synomilhsei me ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. K. Karamanlh. Kai lew oti exei zhthsei, dioti, mexri prin apo mish wra poy milhsa me ton k. Xrysoxoidh, den eixe ginei akoma epikoinwnia, alla fantazomai oti qa ginei. Fysika h enhmerwsh ginetai me bash ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas, ayth th stigmh.

BITALHS: Epeidh anoije ayth h syzhthsh peri enhmerwshs, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe h prokeitai na exei analytikoterh enhmerwsh kai apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs kai apo ta stelexh ths antitromokratikhs yphresias ths Astynomias, gia thn ejelijh ayths ths ypoqeshs kai gia thn poreia twn parapera ereynwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai synexws apo ton armodio ypoyrgo Mixalh Xrysoxoidh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh symmerizetai h pws sxoliazei to geniko symperasma shmera apo tis ellhnikes efhmerides, kata prwton, oti yparxoyn ragdaies ejelijeis sthn prospaqeia ejarqrwshs ths ``17 Noembrh'' kai deyteron, oti ayth h prospaqeia ginetai, meta ta xqesina gegonota, se entelws alla dedomena.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mexri ta apotelesmata ths doyleias kai twn ereynwn poy ginontai, epanalambanw oti synistoyme xamhloys tonoys, oxi senaria kai dieykolynsh twn armodiwn arxwn na kanoyn anephreasta th doyleia toys. Kai fysika oxi kalliergeia klimatos yperaisiodojias.

GARGALAKOS: Exontas olh thn eikona, h kybernhsh einai pio aisiodojh apo o,ti htan prin apo to tyxaio gegonos toy Sabbatoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizw oti eiste empeiros dhmosiografos, alla epitrecete moy na exw th sxetikh empeiria kai na mhn epanalambanw ayta poy hdh exw pei.

KOYIN: Qa mporoysame genikotera na xrhsimopoihsoyme kapoio xarakthrismo gia to poy briskontai oi diwktikes arxes, xwris yperaisiodojia k.l.p.

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, bebaia kanate dhlwseis xqes meta to deipno, alla qa hqela na moy peite shmera, meta tayta, ena geniko symperasma sas apo th xqesinh syzhthsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Edw, mporoyme na eimaste pio aisiodojoi. Mporoyme na eimaste safws pio aisiodojoi kai meta th xqesinh syzhthsh, dioti yphrje ena klima strateyshs sto ergo mas, symfwnhqhkan oi stoxoi mas gia thn epomenh periodo, yphrje h diapistwsh oti to PASOK mporei na antapokriqei apolyta stis prosdokies toy ellhnikoy laoy kai fysika na dhmioyrghsei toys oroys nikhs gia tis ekloges toy 2004. Kai to epanalambanw: Gia tis ekloges toy 2004.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: To Maio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me plhrh ejantlhsh ths tetraetias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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