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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 1 Ioylioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Kalhmera kai kalo mhna.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

Shmera, stis 10 to prwi, opws gnwrizete, dexqhke thn Amerikanida Geroysiasth k. Snooy, paroysia, opws apaiteitai kai apo to prwtokollo, toy presbh twn HPA k. Miler. Stis 2 m.m., qa yparjei kybernhtikh syskech gia thn proetoimasia toy tajidioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Oykrania. To brady, stis 9, qa ginei h atyph synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, h opoia exei proanaggelqei apo thn Paraskeyh, kata th diarkeia ths opoias qa yparjei kai to deipno.

Thn Trith kai thn Tetarth, o Prwqypoyrgos qa einai sthn Oykrania, opoy qa exei synomilies me thn politikh hgesia ths xwras. Qa exei thn eykairia na apeyqynqei kai se epixeirhmaties. Bebaiws, qa yparjei kai synenteyjh Typoy gia ta apotelesmata ths episkechs, kata thn opoia qa exete thn eykairia na enhmerwqeite plhrws, toylaxiston osoi qa symmetexete sthn apostolh. Ton Prwqypoyrgo qa synodeysei o k. Xythrhs, apo to Ypoyrgeio. Ara, oi dyo synanthseis mas qa ginoyn kanonika.

Thn Pempth, stis 10.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa brisketai sthn epishmh ypodoxh toy Aystraloy Prwqypoyrgoy. Stis 11.30, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs Akh Tsoxatzopoylo. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa proedreysei ths synedriashs toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK. Stis 7 to apogeyma, qa exei synanthsh kai synomilies me ton Aystralo Prwqypoyrgo.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me thn ka Gianna Aggelopoyloy kai en synexeia, qa paei sth Syndiaskech toy PASOK kai qa anoijei tis ergasies me politikh omilia, peripoy stis 12 to meshmeri.

Na shmeiwsw oti thn Trith (9 Ioylioy) o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh, stis 10 to prwi, me ton k. Tsernekofski, Proedro ths prwhn Omospondiakhs Dhmokratias ths Gioygkoslabias. Stis 10.30, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias Giwrgo Anwmerith. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synanthqei me thn Proedro ths Irlandias. Stis 8.30 to brady, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs Filippo Petsalniko, gia qemata toy ypoyrgeioy toy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ANTYPAS: An ginetai, na mas dieykrinisete sth syskech stis 2 m.m., poioi qa symmetexoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Osoi symmetexoyn sthn apostolh sthn Oykrania. Gia paradeigma, qa einai apo to ypoyrgeio mas o k. Xythrhs, qa einai oi symboyloi toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo to oikonomiko kai to diplwmatiko grafeio toy, apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn...

ANTYPAS: Ean yparxei kati neotero, jerw oti einai kommatiko to qema, alla epeidh afora to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia th Syndiaskech.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa arxisei h Syndiaskech me politikh omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, gyrw sto meshmeri ths Paraskeyhs.

ANTYPAS: Thn Paraskeyh to Eqniko Symboylio;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei kai sto Eqniko Symboylio, to opoio qa synedriasei thn Kyriakh, eidika gia ta qemata ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs kai twn eperxomenwn eklogwn.

MIXAHL: Grafontai kai legontai polla apo thn Paraskeyh kai to Sabbato, eixame kai ena gegonos to Sabbato to brady ston Peiraia me enan bombisth poy noshleyetai ston Eyaggelismo, peri proodoy sta qemata antimetwpishs ths tromokratias kai ejixniashs kapoiwn tromokratikwn organwsewn. H kybernhsh ti sxolio exei na kanei gia to genikotero qema kai deyteron, gia ta gegonota ston Peiraia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia to genikotero qema isxyei h xqesinh dhlwsh moy, thn opoia ap` o,ti eida, thn eixate oloi. Opws gnwrizete, xqes, apesteila dhlwsh, me thn opoia tonisa oti ola ta senaria poy eidame stis kyriakatikes efhmerides gyrw apo thn tromokratia, den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Den exw para na epanalabw ayth th dhlwsh moy.

Oson afora ton syllhfqenta, o opoios noshleyetai ston Eyaggelismo, prepei na sas pw oti se syntomo xroniko diasthma qa yparjei eidikh anakoinwsh, grapth, toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, poy qa mas enhmerwsei gyrw apo to qema. Prepei na sas pw oti to ypoyrgeio qa topoqethqei gia o,ti plhrofories yparxoyn mexri th stigmh poy qa ekdoqei h anakoinwsh. O k. Xrysoxoidhs moy eipe oti qa ekdoqei poly syntoma. Epomenws, den exoyme para na perimenoyme thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy. Epishs, prepei na sas pw oti dienergeitai plhrhs ereyna gyrw apo thn ypoqesh gia oles tis ptyxes kai pros oles tis kateyqynseis. Qa htan kalo, na afhsoyme ta entetalmena organa na kanoyn th doyleia toys, na oloklhrwsoyn thn ereyna kai meta, bebaiws, qa plhroforhqoyme ta apotelesmata.

MIXAHL: Otan lete se ``syntomo xroniko diasthma'', ennoeite entos ths hmeras;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, entos ths hmeras. Piqanon na einai poly syntoma. Qelw na jekaqarisoyme kati: Ayth th stigmh ginetai mia ereyna pros oles tis kateyqynseis gyrw apo thn ypoqesh. Nomizw oti to kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na perimenoyme ta apotelesmata ths ereynas, na kanoyn kanonika th doyleia toys ta astynomika organa kai otan erqei h wra kai einai se qesh na mas dwsoyn ta apotelesmata, qa enhmerwqeite oloi.

GARGALAKOS: Mia dieykrinish: Egw qa epimeinw sth lejh ``proodos''. Exei yparjei proodos sxetika me to zhthma ths patajhs ths tromokratias; Yparxoyn, dhladh, kapoia stoixeia poy na sas odhgoyn sto symperasma oti briskeste se kalo dromo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti prepei na eimaste idiaitera feidwloi se dhlwseis, oson afora ayta ta qemata. Epomenws, to mono poy mporw na pw einai ayto poy leei dhmosia h kybernhsh, oti doyleyoyme me systhma kai eyqynh, doyleyoyme apotelesmatika kai apo th doyleia mas eimaste aisiodojoi. Tipota allo.

IWANNOY: Qelw na rwthsw gia to qema ths ygeias toy sygkekrimenoy proswpoy, ean sas anhsyxei, giati ap` o,ti jeroyme den exei diafygei toy kindynoy kai einai o monos poy qa mporei apodeiktika na mas odhghsei kapoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn ekdoqei ola ta sxetika deltia apo ton Eyaggelismo. Exei thn kalyterh dynath periqalch kai th frontida twn giatrwn, opws exoyn, fysika, oloi oi Ellhnes polites.

TAKHS: Me dedomeno kai tis synenteyjeis poy edwsan koryfaia stelexh toy PASOK thn Kyriakh stis efhmerides, apo to apocino deipno, sto opoio qa symmetexete ki eseis, perimenete na kleisei ayto poy ton teleytaio kairo sthn kybernhsh kai sto komma lene ``eswstrefeia'' kai ``gkrinia'', enocei kai ths Syndiaskechs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den antimetwpizoyme thn eswstrefeia, anaparagontas thn. Ayto qa htan ena poly megalo laqos. Sth shmerinh atyph synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, qa syzhthsoyme zhthmata sxediasmoy ths kybernhtikhs doyleias kai fysika zhthmata genikoteroy sxediasmoy gia to epomeno diasthma. Qa einai mia syzhthsh poy qa afora ta qemata ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, alla kai thn poreia mas pros tis dhmotikes ekloges kai se mia seira qesmika zhthmata. Mia syzhthsh poy exei ginei kat epanalhch mesa sta kybernhtika organa kai den prepei se kamia periptwsh na ths apodidontai dramatikoi tonoi. Den yparxei kanenas tetoios logos. Epanalambanw oti den antimetwpizoyme thn eswstrefeia, anaparagontas thn. Se kamia periptwsh. Koitame mprosta, kanoyme th doyleia mas, antapokrinomaste sta problhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy.

TAKHS: Mhpws exete kai kapoio sxolio gia th synanthsh poy qa ginei h poy ginetai, den jerw, ayth thn wra sth Xarilaoy Trikoyph, metajy toy Grammatea toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth kai toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Giwrgoy Papandreoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai fysiologiko na synantatai me ta koryfaia stelexh toy kommatos kai ths kybernhshs o Grammateas ths K.E. toy PASOK. Alimono, ean den ginotan kati tetoio.

IWANNOY: Ti exete na peite gia th dysforia toy k. Kaklamanh, alla kai allwn melwn toy E.G., qa meinw mono ston k. Kaklamanh, epeidh einai kai Proedros ths Boylhs, kaqws den einai mono kybernhtika ta melh poy qa proselqoyn to brady, alla einai kai o Grammateas toy kommatos kai opws eipate eseis qa syzhthsete kai genikotera qemata sxediasmoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa, kat` arxas, gia to sxediasmo ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, kai ayto einai to prwto kai kyrio, kai th genikoterh poreia pros tis dhmotikes ekloges. Alla, apo th skopia toy sxediasmoy kai ths prowqhshs ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Einai mia atyph synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

IWANNOY: Qa einai kai o Grammateas toy Kommatos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs symmetexei se zhthmata sxediasmoy kai poreias ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Ejalloy, htan prosfata kai se mia syzhthsh poy egine gyrw apo to qema toy misqologioy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Apo th stigmh poy exei mia koryfaia eyqynh sto komma kai prepei, ek twn pragmatwn, na asxolhqei me tetoia zhthmata, na syzhthsei me stelexh mas gyrw apo ayta ta zhthmata, na milhsei me koinwnikoys foreis mesa apo tis prwtoboylies poy qa analabei to komma kai poy den mporei na diistantai apo ekeines poy analambanei h kybernhsh sth genikoterh politikh kateyqynsh toys, einai safes oti, otan exoyme mia atyph syzhthsh gyrw apo ta zhthmata toy sxediasmoy toy kybernhtikoy ergoy kai ths prowqhshs toys, einai qetikh kai anagkaia h symmetoxh toy.

SKOYRHS: Me mperdeyete ligo. O Proedros ths Boylhs nomizw oti exei megalo baros kai ws istoriko stelexos toy PASOK, alla kai ws qesmos. Dinei shmasia se mia atyph synedriash apo th stigmh poy kaloyntai kai alla stelexh ektos aytoy, opws o k. Benizelos kai o k. Laliwths. Kai gi` ayto nomizw einai to erwthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh akribws exei panta mia idiaiterh qesmikh barythta kai ena sobaro kai qesmiko ergo, einai swsto na mhn emplakei me qemata askhshs ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, se mia atyph synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

SKOYRHS: Poy se alles, omws, periptwseis, opws einai oi koines synedriaseis ths K.E. h gia paradeigma to asfalistiko h otidhpote, empleketai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan synedriazei to Ektelestiko Grafeio, synedriazei me ola ta melh. O Proedros ths Boylhs symmetexei stis synedriaseis toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK kai einai panta parwn.

SKOYRHS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos oysiastika afhnei na ennohqei oti enoxopoieitai o dialogos ws eswstrefeia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn perimenete na krinw dhlwseis stelexwn mas, idiaitera enocei ths Organwtikhs Syndiaskechs toy PASOK. Ayto qa htan laqos. Enocei ths Organwtikhs Syndiaskechs einai logiko ta stelexh mas na ekfrazoyn apoceis, protaseis, na dinoyn synenteyjeis kai na grafoyn arqra. En pash periptwsei, na prospaqoyn na symbaloyn sto dialogo poy prohgeitai ths Syndiaskechs. Ta ypoloipa qa ta poyme sth Syndiaskech, opoy o kaqenas mas qa exei thn eyxereia na apeyqynqei kai se kommatiko, alla kai se eqniko akroathrio.

SKOYRHS: Oi aixmes gia elleich dhmokratias sthn kybernhsh kai to komma nomizw oti einai mia poly baria kathgoria kai an qelete, na parete qesh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete pws leitoyrgei h kybernhsh. Kata th gnwmh moy kai oxi mono, leitoyrgei para poly kala. Apo ekei kai pera, qa htan laqos na krinoyme dhlwseis stelexwn mas. Plhsiazei h Organwtikh Syndiaskech kai einai apolytws logiko na anaptyssontai skeceis, prwtoboylies kai protaseis twn stelexwn mas kai na dhmioyrgeitai enas anoiktos dialogos kai enas problhmatismos sthn koinwnia. Den eimaste ena leninistiko komma, den exoyme tipota na krycoyme apo ton polith. O dialogos prepei na einai anoiktos kai na employtizetai apo tis energes dynameis ths koinwnias. Kai einai logiko kai prepei ta stelexh na anaptyssoyn tis apoceis toys. Bebaiws, o,ti exoyme na poyme qa to poyme kai sth Syndiaskech. Na eiste bebaioi gi` ayto.

MPOYATAR: Yparxei ston Typo, tis teleytaies hmeres, mia genikh aisiodojia gia lysh sto qema toy eyrwstratoy, me apodoxh apo thn Toyrkia toy keimenoy ths Sebillhs. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh symmerizetai ayth thn aisiodojia. Dhladh, an ontws h Toyrkia exei deijei mia qetikh stash.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme tetoies endeijeis mexri ayth th stigmh. Makari na ginei kati tetoio. To eyxomaste. Makari h Toyrkia na apodexqei to neo plaisio twn "15". Qeloyme na proxwrhsei h synennohsh metajy ths E.E. kai toy NATO kai na breqei mia oristikh lysh sta qemata toy sxediasmoy kai ths anaptyjhs ths dynamhs taxeias parembashs, opws kai sta ypoloipa qemata poy syndeontai me thn Koinh Ejwterikh Politikh kai Politikh Asfaleias ths E.E. Qa analaboyme prwtoboylies kai qa synexisoyme th doyleia mas pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Ayto einai safes. Alla, mexri ayth th stigmh, den mporoyme na anaferqoyme se kapoia sygkekrimenh ejelijh.

MOYRTZHS: Eipate oti ginetai ereyna pros oles tis kateyqynseis. To erwthma moy einai oti ginetai ereyna pros to ergasiako, koinwniko, syggeniko periballon toy drasth kai kata poso leitoyrghse aytonoma h mazi me alloys; Ti ereyna ginetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa kanw to laqos na antistrateytw o idios thn prohgoymenh parembash moy kai to katalabainete.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Gnwrizete an exoyn apanthsei ola ta stelexh qetika sthn prosklhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to deipno kai an oloi qa einai ekei telika to brady h mhpws yparxei kapoio problhma me aneilhmmenes ypoxrewseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se aytes tis periptwseis poy sygkaleitai h Kybernhtikh Epitroph den zhteitai na apanthsei kapoios. Ta kybernhtika organa den sygkaloyntai etsi.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Epeidh einai deipno. Den einai synedriash ths K.E.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai atyph synedriash. Qelw na to jekaqarisw ayto gia na mh dhmioyrgoyntai erwthmata me alla stelexh, opws ayta poy eqese prin o k. Skoyrhs. Einai atyph synedriash ths K.E. Ayto poy qelw na sas pw einai oti piqano na yparjei mia kaqysterhmenh afijh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, o opoios exei eidopoihsei oti qa kaqysterhsei na afixqei, dioti exei programmatismeno deipno me ton Algerino omologo toy.

MPOTWNHS: Epeidh fantazomai oti to "menoy" qa einai kalo kai qa arghsete, meta th synedriash qa mas enhmerwsete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na krathsoyme th syzhthsh se kapoio sobaro epipedo ...

MPOTWNHS: Milhsa gia to politiko menoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den milw gia sas. Eida kai apo orismenes pleyres mia prospaqeia apajiwshs. Mhn apodidete sthn kaqe energeia h sthn kaqe syzhthsh diastaseis, eite myqoy, eite apajiwshs. Kaqe pragma prepei na mpainei sthn pragmatikh diastash toy. Poia einai ayth; Einai mia atyph synedriash ths K.E. gyrw apo qemata sxediasmoy ths doyleias ths kybernhshs gia to epomeno diasthma. Bebaiws, sto sxediasmo ayto entassetai kai h poreia mas pros tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges. Katalabainete oti mia seira kybernhtikwn apofasewn kai energeiwn poy qa lhfqoyn, ephreazoyn to genikotero klima, poy me th seira toy ephreazei tis ekloges aytes, eidikotera se qemata Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, alla kai alla. O Prwqypoyrgos, loipon, ekrine skopimo, ola ayta ta qemata na syzhthqoyn se mia Kybernhtikh Epitroph, poy tis edwse ayto ton atypo xarakthra gia na ginei mia pio aneth syzhthsh. Mhn apodidoyme alles diastaseis.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe thn Paraskeyh, sto Synedrio ths Samoqrakhs, o nomikos symboylos toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy k. Droygkas ejefrase thn apoch oti den exei nohma to asymbibasto metajy idiokthtwn MME kai promhqeytwn toy Dhmosioy kai peripoy xarakthrise tritokosmikh th diatajh poy exei perasei. Politika, yioqeteite ayth thn apoch;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sthn Ellada merikes fores biazomaste kai prospaqoyme na apomonwnoyme fraseis kai etsi den apodidoyme thn pragmatikh oysia se osa leei kapoios. Loipon, epeidh zhthsa kai phra to synolo ths synenteyjhs toy k. Droygka, sas plhroforw oti o k. Droygkas kaqe allo, para eipe ayto poy lete. Ejalloy, akoysa kai thn omilia toy sth diarkeia toy Synedrioy. Yperaspise me paqos to nomo. Eipe oti einai o kalyteros dynatos. Eipe oti kleinei portes kai paraqyra pros kaqe ennoia diaplokhs. Epishmane oti eimaste h monh xwra, isws mazi me thn Kypro, poy exoyme probei se tetoia nomoqethmata, akribws dioti yparxei mia entonh dyspistia sthn Ellada gyrw apo ayta ta zhthmata. Ayto einai ena gegonos poy to katagrafei kai to opoio eipa kai egw sth Boylh. Kai jerete ti eipa; Oti me to nomo ayto lambanoyme ola ta anagkaia metra, kleinoyme oles tis portes kai ta paraqyra, dhmioyrgoyme mia allh aisqhsh ston ellhniko lao oti den yparxei kanena periqwrio na anaptyxqoyn fainomena diaplokhs. Kai tonisa, bebaiws, oti tetoia nomoqethmata den yparxoyn se alles xwres ths E.E., alla kai se alles xwres toy kosmoy. Den einai kako na les oti kanw kati epipleon gia na symbalw sthn apodaimonopoihsh mias katastashs gia na diasfalisoyme ston polith, oti ayta ta pragmata den afhnoyme na symbainoyn. Ayto den shmainei oti den qa epishmaneis mia pragmatikothta poy diamorfwnetai se olh thn Eyrwph kai se olo ton kosmo. O nomos proxwrei, hdh efarmozetai. Exei ginei plhrhs synennohsh me to D.S. toy ESR, to ejhggeila ayto sthn omilia moy sto Synedrio sth Samoqrakh. Epanalambanw oti apo shmera yparxei plhrhs efarmogh toy nomoy. Epishs qelw na sas qymisw oti exw aposteilei epistolh pros oloys toys synadelfoys ypoyrgoys me thn opoia toys zhtw na laboyn ola ta anagkaia metra sto ypoyrgeio toys, alla kai stoys epopteyomenoys organismoys kai epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy, prokeimenoy na yparxei apolyth -to tonizw ayto- kai synephs thrhsh twn diatajewn toy neoy nomoy poy chfisthke sth Boylh.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Dieykrinistika, poios kata th gnwmh sas daimonopoiei thn katastash, ta kybernhtika stelexh poy exoyn milhsei gia enoxopoihtikes sxeseis idiokthtwn MME kai promhqeytwn toy Dhmosioy, o Prwqypoyrgos poy kat` epanalhch kai prosfata exei milhsei gia thn isxy twn MME; Poios th daimonopoiei;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos milhse gia thn isxy twn MME kai oxi gia to oti exoyme epitrecei emeis kai h kybernhsh mas na ginontai "straba" oi dhmosies symbaseis. Pros Qeoy! Qymaste thn omilia moy sth Boylh: Eixe dyo epipeda. To ena epipedo htan na qymisoyme oti exoyme dhmioyrghsei ena poly kalo qesmiko plaisio gia tis dhmosies symbaseis, symfwna me to opoio katakyrwnontai. Oi dhmosies symbaseis den ginontai xaristika shmera. Kai gnwrizete oti yparxei kai elegxos, gia tis megales dhmosies symbaseis poy synaptontai, apo th dikastikh ejoysia. Ayto den yparxei se alles xwres-melh h se oles tis xwres-melh ths E.E. Peran omws aytoy -kai ayto htan to deytero epipedo ths topoqethshs moy- kat` epitaghn toy Syntagmatos, kai orqws epanalambanw, proxwrhsame sthn chfish toy nomoy kai twra sthn efarmogh. Kai epemeina idiaitera sthn efarmogh toy nomoy. Kaname eidikh syzhthsh me to ESR, to opoio qa analabei ejalloy kai thn efarmogh toy nomoy kai to opoio einai anejarthth Arxh, gia na dieykolynoyme tis leitoyrgies toy, dioti einai ena terastio ergo, omologw, poy prepei na ginei, den einai mia aplh ypoqesh. Einai terastio ergo poy apaitei synexh prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na to feroyme se peras, wste na mhn yparxei h paramikrh ypocia gia endexomenh diaplokh metajy oikonomikwn symferontwn kai MME kai thn askhsh pieshs pros thn kratikh ejoysia gyrw apo to qema twn dhmosiwn symbasewn. Ara, htan doyleia se dyo epipeda kai ayto prepei na to epishmanoyme. Den shmainei oti o nomos leitoyrgei apo monos toy. Exei ginei mia poly spoydaia doyleia -kai den th xarizoyme se kanenan- sto qema twn dhmosiwn symbasewn.

ALEJAKHS: Apo shmera, h Ellada analambanei thn Proedria sthn E.E. gia oikonomika kai qemata Amynas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi oikonomika, nomismatika.

ALEJAKHS: Poios einai o kentrikos politikos stoxos kai stis dyo aytes periptwseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Leitoyrgoyme symfwna me tis apofaseis poy phrame gi` ayta ta qemata sth Barkelwnh. Oson afora to qema ths koinhs ejwterikhs politikhs kai politikhs asfaleias, mas endiaferei ws prwto qema na oloklhrwsoyme th symfwnia gia to legomeno eyrwstrato kai ayto einai para poly shmantiko. Bebaiws, h danikh Proedria exei kati poly shmantiko -oytws h allws emeis exoyme na diadramatisoyme enan idiaitera barynonta rolo. Kata thn Proedria ths Danias qa antimetwpistei h apotelesmatikh prowqhsh toy qematos ths dieyrynshs. Kai epeidh emas mas endiaferei idiaitera kai logw ths ypochfiothtas pros entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E., alla kai genikotera, giati pisteyoyme sth dieyrynsh kai thn prooptikh ths eniaias Eyrwphs, gi` ayto ki emeis ws ypochfia Proedria, alla exontas ki ena logo hdh se orismena shmantika qemata, qa diadramatisoyme ena sobaro kai barynonta rolo.

ALEJAKHS: Akoysame thn prohgoymenh ebdomada gia thn periptwsh toy idiokthth MME, sygkekrimena gia ton omilo Androylidakh, gia to qema toy dikasthrioy. Yparxei kapoia ejelijh se ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws sas enhmerwse kai o Genikos Grammateas Enhmerwshs Dhmhtrhs Geroy thn Paraskeyh, den yphrje entalma. Einai ekeino to eidos toy aytofwroy poy efarmozetai stis periptwseis poy exoyn kaqysterhsei oi plhrwmes sto proswpiko. To aytofwro yphrje gia ekeinh thn hmera. Den yphrje eidiko entalma. Dhladh, thn hmera poy profanws eixe paei o k. Androylidakhs sto dikasthrio eixe parelqei h proqesmia. Omologw oti exei prokycei ena poly sobaro zhthma. Sas eixa pei, oti synanthqhka me ton k. Androylidakh apo ton opoio kai zhthsa na einai synephs stis ypoxrewseis toy, symfwna me tis syzhthseis poy eixa kanei me thn ESHEA kai toys ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn ston Planet kyriws, alla kai sto Tempo. Apo tote den exw kati neotero. Bebaiws, yparxei seira dikastikwn prosfygwn. H katastash exei parei dyskolh troph. To ypoyrgeio thn parakoloyqei. Enhmerwnei kai enhmerwnetai apo oles tis armodies arxes kai fysika epimenoyme panw apo ola sthn kateyqynsh toy na breqei mia lysh kai na diasfalistoyn oi ergazomenoi, oson afora toylaxiston tis ofeiles poy exoyn apo ton omilo. Einai mia poly dyskolh periptwsh poy epitrepei na ejaxqoyn polla symperasmata. Den qa biastw. Omws me problhmatizei sobara to qema toy radiothleoptikoy topioy sthn Ellada.

ALEJAKHS: Exei bgei to porisma toy ESR gia to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to exoyme parei mexri ayth th stigmh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Den jerw an to exete hdh kanei, aplws qa hqela na sxoliasete tis dhlwseis toy Amerikanoy presbh, o opoios opws dhmosieyoyn shmera oi efhmerides, sthn oysia kanei ena eidos parembashs sta eswterika pragmata ths Elladas kai oxi mono se qemata eswterika, alla kai se ejwterika kai eqnika, opws ton eyrwstrato kai to Kypriako.

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws, topoqethqhke meta apo erwthseis poy toy eqese synadelfos sas sth diarkeia mias synenteyjhs, enhmerwnontas gia thn politikh twn HPA. Den ektimoyme oti yparxei kapoio qema. O presbhs mias xwras, enhmerwnei gia thn politikh ths xwras toy kai kanei kapoies ektimhseis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qelw na sxoliasete th xqesinh sygkentrwsh ekatontadwn stelexwn toy PASOK, anamesa toys htan malista kai boyleytes toy Kinhmatos, oi opoioi metajy allwn kathggeilan thn kybernhsh gia thn politikh ths. Akoysthke na lene oti to ena trito ths ellhnikhs koinwnias brisketai sto periqwrio kai ayto einai apotelesma ths politikhs ths kybernhshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto apodeiknyei oti den einai swsth mia prohgoymenh erwthsh gia to an yparxei h oxi dhmokratia sto PASOK.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To sxolio sas den akoysa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa, hdh. Kai arnhtika kai qetika. Arnhtika ypo thn ennoia oti ayto apanta sto an yparxei h oxi dhmokratia kai qetika ypo thn ennoia oti eimaste ena megalo kai dhmokratiko komma kai mporoyn ta stelexh na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mhpws daimonopoioyn thn katastash me ta osa lene ta diafwnoynta stelexh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn perimenete allo sxolio apo mena.

KWNSTANTHS: Epeidh me aformh ton deipno milhsate gia thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph qelw na sas rwthsw ean o neos ypoyrgos Ygeias k. Stefanhs qa symmetexei apo dw kai sto ejhs sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan symmetexei o ypoyrgos Ygeias, symfwna me ton kanonismo peri kybernhtikwn organwn, symmetexei opoios einai ypoyrgos. Ayto den allazei.

KWNSTANTHS: Den qa yparjei dhladh anasynqesh twn organwn@

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta kybernhtika organa den leitoyrgoyn me ta proswpa. Opws gnwrizete, yparxei h legomenh tajh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, dhladh h seira twn ypoyrgeiwn poy exei na kanei me mia seira apo zhthmata kai yparxei kai h Kybernhtikh Epitroph sthn opoia symmetexoyn ta ennea prwta kata thn tajh ypoyrgeia. Bebaiws, kata periptwsh kai analoga me to qema kaloyntai kapoia stelexh, ypoyrgoi synhqws, oi opoioi exoyn na symbaloyn se ena kommati to opoio einai xrhsimo gia th syzhthsh. Gia paradeigma, den mporoyme sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph na syzhtoyme gia qemata dhmosias tajhs kai na mhn einai parwn o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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