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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Ioynioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exei kaqierwqei twra sthn kybernhsh kaqe ebdomada na yparxei kai mia ypoyrgikh kontra; Giati, shmera diabazoyme oti yparxei mia nea kontra anamesa ston k. Skandalidh kai ton k. Xristodoylakh gia to misqologio twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei "kontra". Qelw na tonisw oti xqes egine mia synanthsh, h opoia eixe proanaggelqei kai eixe ws stoxo thn antallagh apocewn gia tis diapragmateyseis me thn ADEDY. Stoxos mas einai na proxwrhsoyme se aytes tis syzhthseis, na proxwrhsoyn oi syllogikes diapragmateyseis, wste na diasfalistoyn kai ta symferonta kai oi prooptikes twn ergazomenwn, alla kai h apodotikothta ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Einai, bebaiws, safes oti yparxei panta ena plaisio oikonomikhs staqerothtas kai anaptyjhs, ena plaisio poy qa kaqoristei apo ta megeqh toy kratikoy proypologismoy gia to 2003, ena plaisio sto opoio qa prepei kymanqoyn kai oi opoies ayjhseis yparjoyn. Ayto syzhthqhke kai xqes. Anthllaghsan apoceis. Qa proxwrhsoyn oi diadikasies twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn. Bebaiws, ean xreiastei, qa yparjoyn kai nees synanthseis, prokeimenoy kai pali na antallagoyn apoceis kai na yparjei eniaia stash ths kybernhshs, metajy olwn twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn.

IWANNOY: Sygnwmh, alla edw den prokeitai gia diaforetikes apoceis. Diabasame shmera -kai nomizw oloi to eidame- gia mia entelws antiqeth qesh toy k. Skandalidh, poy einai yper kapoiwn megalyterwn ayjhsewn kai kapoia entelws antiqeth qesh toy k. Xristodoylakh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Epeidh yphrxan, opws eixan proanaggelqei, oi dyo shmerines synanthseis me ton Prwqypoyrgo, qa yparjoyn shmera sxetikes dhlwseis. Qelw na tonisw, gia arsh kaqe parejhghshs, oti oi synanthseis aytes eixan proanaggelqei -kai apo mena- xqes, den kaqoristhkan meta. Aforoysan, malista, alla qemata kai oxi to sygkekrimeno. Me ton k. Xristodoylakh eprokeito na syzhthsei thn proetoimasia ths ayrianhs synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs gia ta qemata poy aforoyn th forologikh metarryqmish. Me ton k. Skandalidh eprokeito na syzhthqoyn ekkremoynta nomosxedia, poy erxontai synexws apo to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs. Me ayth thn eykairia, omws, einai logiko na yparjoyn kai dhlwseis twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn. Ekeino poy qelw na katasthsw safes einai oti tetoies synanthseis ginontan, ginontai kai qa ginontai -kai einai fysiko ayto- otan yparxoyn meizona qemata, prokeimenoy na diamorfwnetai eniaia kateyqynsh apo toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys. Ara, loipon, qa proxwrhsoyn oi syllogikes diapragmateyseis. Stoxos mas einai kai na ejyphrethsoyme ta symferonta twn ergazomenwn, alla kai thn apodotikothta ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Bebaiws, oles aytes oi syzhthseis prepei na laboyn ypoch to plaisio ths oikonomikhs staqerothtas kai anaptyjhs kai tis dynatothtes toy kratikoy proypologismoy gia to 2003.

TAKHS: Epeidh diabazoyme ola ayta, yparxoyn tria endexomena h oi egkefaloi twn dhmosiografwn einai toso noshroi poy grafoyn fantasies h dierreysan apo ton k. Xristodoylakh h ton k. Skandalidh h apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Epeidh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo den qa egine, ara h qa egine apo toys dyo ypoyrgoys h emeis eimaste noshroi h arrwstoi. Kapoia ejhghsh prepei na yparxei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn ejagete symperasmata, ta opoia oyte kan yparxoyn sth sfaira twn proqesewn moy. Ayto to gnwrizete poly kala. Aplws, panta yparxoyn kapoioi sxoliasmoi, yparxoyn kapoia symperasmata. Emeis ofeiloyme na topoqethqoyme gyrw apo tis kybernhtikes proqeseis. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai oti einai logiko na antallassontai apoceis, einai logiko na ginontai syzhthseis kai einai logiko, mesa apo thn antallagh twn apocewn, na enopoieitai kai h kybernhtikh kateyqynsh kai h kybernhtikh grammh. Den katalabainw giati qa prepei na yparxei problhma.

IWANNOY: O Prwqypoyrgos einai yper mias sfixths eisodhmatikhs politikhs h oxi; Ayto rwtame.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas exw, hdh, apanthsei.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Meta apo osa exoyme dei to teleytaio diasthma kai exoyn synqesei thn eikona ths kybernhshs, me ton enan h me ton allon tropo, kapoioi exoyn dei kai exoyn parathrhsei oti yparxei mia nea diaforopoihsh anamesa sta kybernhtika stelexh. Kapoioi ypoyrgoi emfanizontai laikistes kai kapoioi eksygxronistes. Sas problhmatizei ayto to neo stoixeio sthn eikona ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kati tetoio. Se kamia periptwsh den exoyme ayth thn entypwsh kai mhn epixeiroyme na dhmioyrgoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Den mporei kaneis na emfanistei ws kalos h kakos, dioti tote qa anazhthsoyme kai ton asxhmo. Katanoeite poly kala oti einai logiko na yparxoyn apoceis kai alimono an den yphrxan. Oi apoceis aytes, omws, syntiqentai mesa apo tis kybernhtikes syskeceis kai ta kybernhtika organa. Den qewrw oti yparxei kapoio problhma gyrw apo ayto. Kaqenas kataqetei thn apoch toy, ginetai syzhthsh, diereynwntai oi dynatothtes poy yparxoyn sthn oikonomia kai lambanontai apofaseis. Qelw na tonisw oti, molis thn perasmenh ebdomada, oles oi energeies poy eginan apo thn kybernhsh, akoma kai energeies poy eixan th dikh toys shmasia kai to diko toys kostos, lhfqhkan meta apo kybernhtikes syskeceis. Kai ayto qa ginetai panta. Oyte mporei na zhtas apo kapoion na mhn exei thn apoch toy, oyte mporei na zhtas na mhn thn kataqetei. Kaqe politikos prepei na exei kai prepei na kataqetei thn apoch toy. Ekeino poy einai fysiko na zhtoyme -kai gi` ayto ginontai aytes oi syskeceis- einai, afoy ginetai h kataqesh kai h synqesh twn apocewn, na yphretoyme oloi thn idia kateyqynsh poy einai proorismenh na ejyphrethsei tis pragmatikes anagkes ths oikonomias, alla kai ta symferonta ths xwras kai ths koinwnias. Aytos einai o stoxos mas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Alhqeyei oti ton teliko logo stis diapragmateyseis poy exei jekinhsei h kybernhsh me toys dhmosioys ypallhloys den qa ton exei o k. Skandalidhs, alla o k. Xristodoylakhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ton teliko logo gia tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis ton exei h kybernhsh. Epomenws, ola ta zhthmata poy qa prokycoyn kata th diarkeia twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn, oi telikes apofaseis, qa lhfqoyn mesa apo analoges synanthseis twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn.

KONTOPOYLOS: Poios, omws, einai o ypoyrgos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi syllogikes diapragmateyseis diejagontai -kai ayto eixe ginei kai thn prohgoymenh xronia- paroysia twn ypoyrgeiwn Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs. Gnwrizete oti oi persines kinhseis kai oi ryqmiseis poy eginan gia ta epidomata twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, oi ejaggelies, alla kai oi symbaseis poy eixan ypografei eginan me thn paroysia kai twn dyo synarmodiwn ypoyrgeiwn. To ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs exei thn eyqynh gia th Dhmosia Dioikhsh. Einai logiko na jekina tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis, oi opoies ginontai se ena sygkekrimeno plaisio poy antexei h oikonomia ths xwras kai poy diasfalizei to mellon ths oikonomias, ths staqerothtas kai ths anaptyjhs, poy kaqorizetai apo ta megeqh toy kratikoy proypologismoy, toy opoioy thn eyqynh exei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Ara, loipon, yparxei syzhthsh twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgeiwn -malista ginetai paroysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai to Grammatea toy kommatos- kai katalhgei se symperasmata. Ean xreiastei nea syzhthsh, qa ginei. Me bash ta symperasmata ayta poy einai koina kai desmeyoyn oloys, qa proxwrhsoyn oi telikes kybernhtikes kinhseis. As mhn epixeiroyme na dhmioyrghsoyme qema. Einai logiko na ginontai aytes oi syskeceis kai na syzhtoyntai oles oi piqanes lyseis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Einai koino mystiko, meta apo th synanthsh ths Sebillhs -to exete pei kai eseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai exei grafei kata koron- oti oi "15" phran mia apofash, oson afora to qema toy eyrwstratoy, oson afora thn allagh toy keimenoy ths Agkyras. Sth xqesinh synanthsh toy k. Papandreoy me ton k. Tzem sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, o k. Tzem dhlwse oti den yparxei kamia apofash twn "15", oson afora to qema toy eyrwstratoy, den exei allajei tipota, oson afora to keimeno ths Agkyras. Symfwneite h diafwneite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipe akribws ayto, alla pragmati ekane mia sxetikh anafora. Ekeino poy qelw na qymisw einai oti o k. Solana exei epikoinwnhsei me ton k. Tzem kai exei syzhthsei mazi toy gia thn apofash ths E.E.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epomenws, o k. Tzem ceydetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na xrhsimopoiw epiqeta. H alhqeia einai oti o k. Solana, meta apo thn apofash ths Synodoy Koryfhs, thn idia hmera epikoinwnhse me ton k. Tzem kai toy diabibase to neo plaisio. H apanthsh toy k. Tzem -apo o,ti plhroforhqhkame apo toys kyrioys Solana kai Pike- htan oti den mporei na apanthsei thn idia hmera, oti qa epistrecei sthn Agkyra, qa ejetasoyn to neo plaisio kai qa apanthsoyn. Malista, yphrxe mia plhroforia oti qa synerxotan kai to eqniko symboylio gia to qema ayto, to opoio pantws einai eswteriko qema ths Toyrkias. Prepei, omws, na apanthsei h Toyrkia, eite twra poy oloklhrwnetai h ispanikh Proedria, eite otan analabei h Ellada thn Proedria, opote qa analaboyme to xeirismo toy oloy qematos, opws dhlwse ejalloy xqes o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Papandreoy. Gnwrizete oti h danikh Proedria den analambanei qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai politikhs asfaleias.

POYLIDOY: Ayto poy diabasa oti dhlwse o k. Tzem einai oti den yparxei koinh eyrwpaikh qesh epi toy qematos@

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti yparxei koinh eyrwpaikh qesh epi toy qematos. Gia th qesh ayth qa enhmerwqoyn shmera kai oi arxhgoi h oi ekproswpoi twn politikwn kommatwn apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. Ayth th stigmh briskontai se ejelijh oi synanthseis aytes.

KAPPOS: Qelw na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh sas dexetai h anexetai th barbarh, qa elega, symperifora astynomikwn organwn kata metanastwn sth Qrakh. Eidame oloi ta sxetika plana.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi` ayta ta qemata exoyme topoqethqei epaneilhmmena. Gnwrizete oti den eimaste xwra anoiktwn synorwn kai einai logiko osoi syllambanontai ws laqrometanastes na perioristoyn se kapoioys xwroys. Omws, kanoyme o,ti mporoyme pragmatika, prokeimenoy na toys diasfalisoyme ikanopoihtikes synqhkes diabiwshs kai na exoyn thn kalyterh dynath metaxeirish. Ayth einai h kateyqynsh poy exoyme dwsei kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh menoyme staqera. An yparxei opoiadhpote parekklish apo ayth thn kateyqynsh, einai safes oti den exei na kanei me kybernhtikes entoles kai qa lhfqoyn ola ta anagkaia metra.

POYLIDOY: H dimerhs symfwnia poy exoyme ypogracei me thn Agkyra exei kyrwqei apo to ellhniko Koinoboylio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete tiqetai se efarmogh aytomatws kai exei thrhqei. Ton teleytaio kairo emfanisthke ena problhma me thn ypoqesh ths Qrakhs. To epeshmana kai xqes. Epanalambanw oti ena apo ta zhthmata poy syzhthse xqes o k. Papandreoy me ton k. Tzem htan kai h efarmogh ths symfwnias gia th laqrometanasteysh.

POYLIDOY: Apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Papandreoy eida oti ekkremei h systash mias mikths epitrophs thrhshs ths symfwnias. Exei jekinhsei ayth h diadikasia ths sygkrothshs ths mikths epitrophs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ginontai oi sxetikes syzhthseis, eginan kai xqes, wste na thrhqei h symfwnia. Ayth einai h kateyqynsh mas. Qelw na sas qymisw oti to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs qa exoyme thn eykairia na to syzhthsoyme analytika ayrio sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, opoy endexomenws na yparjei kai mia kwdikopoihsh seiras metrwn h akomh kai kapoies peraiterw ejaggelies.

KAPPOS: Epanerxomai sto qema toy omiloy Androylidakh. Hqela na rwthsw an h dhmosia Arxh parakoloyqei osa kataggellontai aytes tis teleytaies hmeres peri arpaghs kyriolektika h ejafanishs perioysiakwn stoixeiwn mesa apo ta ktiria kai tis egkatastaseis toy omiloy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta panta diabibazontai aytomatws sthn armodia Arxh gia na parei metra. Sas diabebaiw gi` ayto. Opoia kataggelia ftanei se mas, th diabibazoyme sthn armodia Arxh kai zhtoyme na analabei tis anagkaies prwtoboylies, na parei metra. Ayto exei ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

MPOTWNHS: O k. Boygias prin apo ligo dhlwse oti einai sth diaqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy h paraithsh toy apo thn prwth stigmh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apolytws logiko einai ayto. Isxyei gia oloys mas.

MPOTWNHS: Anamenoyme pote qa ginei ayth h antikatastash. Apo th stigmh poy den ginetai olo ayto to diasthma h antikatastash toy na perimenoyme kai gia eyryteres allages; Dhladh, mhpws prokeitai na ginoyn mazi kai allages twn yfypoyrgwn; Qa ginei kapoios eyryteros anasxhmatismos, gi` ayto o Prwqypoyrgos akomh krataei@

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh me anagkazete na lew kaqe mera ta idia. Den yparxei kanenas logos. Isxyei h xqesinh dhlwsh moy. Hmoyn safhs. Anaferqhka se ayta ta zhthmata me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo kai sas parapempw sth xqesinh dhlwsh moy.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Exete kati neotero me thn tyxh ths anakataskeyhs toy Stadioy Karaiskakh, gia to opoio sas eixa rwthsei xqes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Shmera eginan kapoies paroysiaseis toy OPAP sxetika me th metoxopoihsh toy. Qa epikoinwnhsw me ton armodio ypoyrgo kai qa sas enhmerwsw. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai oti h kybernhsh krinei oles aytes tis kinhseis apokleistika me gnwmona thn ejyphrethsh toy koinwnikoy synoloy me ta anagkaia aqlhtika erga kai to symferon toy Dhmosioy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti kybernhtika stelexh den paresthsan sthn ekdhlwsh toy Dhmoy Keratsinioy gia thn protomh toy Andrea Papandreoy kai an h protomh moiazei ston istoriko hgeth toy PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanena sxolio.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa ginei synanthsh me kapoio stelexos ths N.D. gia thn enhmerwsh, sxetika me ton eyrwstrato;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, exei anaggelqei. Me thn k. Mpakogiannh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H enhmerwsh qa einai plhrhs, wsan na egeneto me ton k. Karamanlh; Kai, deyteron, exete kapoio sxolio gia thn arnhsh toy na parastei o idios;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na sxoliasw to qema. Kai na sas pw giati; Dioti proexei gia mas na synexisoyme sthn kateyqynsh anazhthshs ths eqnikhs omocyxias. Den exoyme kanena logo ayth th stigmh na anazhtoyme qemata ekei poy den yparxoyn. H N.D. proserxetai, o k. Karamanlhs ekrine gia ton katallhlotero, orise thn k. Mpakogiannh. Den qa to sxoliasw. Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai oti qa exei thn eykairia o k. Papandreoy na enhmerwsei plhrws th N.D., dia ths k. Mpakogiannh, gia oles tis ejelijeis. Ayto poy zhtoyme kai qa synexisoyme na zhtoyme mexri thn oloklhrwsh toy qematos -thn katalhjh, dhladh, twn syzhthsewn gia ton kaqorismo twn sxesewn metajy NATO kai E.E.- einai h aparaithth sygkrothsh enos eniaioy metwpoy. Bebaiws, eimaste se poly kalyterh qesh. Ayto einai gegonos, alla prepei na synexisoyme to ergo mas.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Xqes o Grammateas ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths N.D. k. Sioyfas dhmosiopoihse pente protaseis ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs gia to Symboylio Ejwterikhs Politikhs. Exete kapoio sxolio epi ths oysias twn protasewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw oti qa htan biastiko na anaferqw sthn oysia twn protasewn aytwn. Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai oti qa epidiwjoyme, opws kai se kaqe periptwsh otan prokeitai gia qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, na ajiopoihsoyme o,ti kalytero yparxei. Qa exoyme thn eykairia na anaferqoyme analytika se ayta.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa dwsei h kybernhsh sth dhmosiothta to keimeno poy exei symfwnhqei apo toys "15";

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den protiqetai h kybernhsh na to dwsei sth dhmosiothta, dioti ayto -opws katalabainete- den qa htan swsto. Qa enhmerwqoyn, omws, oi ekproswpoi kai oi arxhgoi twn politikwn kommatwn. Den einai swsto na prospaqoyme na prokatalaboyme emeis th sxesh mas me enan allo dieqnh organismo.

IWANNOY: Qa to dwsete sta kommata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa enhmerwqoyn plhrws ta politika kommata. Sas diabebaiw gi` ayto...

Sas eyxaristw.

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