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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Ioynioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa jekinhsw me orismenes eisagwgikes parathrhseis:

Shmera kai wra 07.55 h k. Fiona Shmith gennhse, me kaisarikh tomh, ena koritsaki baroys 2 kilwn kai 760 grammariwn. O toketos egine sth B@ Maieytikh kai Gynaikologikh Klinikh toy Panepisthmioy Aqhnwn, sto Aretaieio Nosokomeio, apo ton kaqhghth k. G. Kreatsa. H mhtera kai to neogennhto einai poly kala sthn ygeia toys. Eyxomaste oloi ston Prwqypoyrgo kai thn k. Dafnh Shmith na toys zhsei to eggonaki, na to doyn na megalwnei kai na to xairontai kai na einai oloi kala.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me apokleistiko qema th xwrotajikh katanomh twn Sxolwn twn AEI kai TEI. O Prwqypoyrgos exei, hdh, probei se dhlwseis, tis opoies exete sth diaqesh sas, enw qa yparjei kai analytikh synenteyjh Typoy apo ton ypoyrgo Paideias Petro Eyqymioy.

Ayth th stigmh, opws gnwrizete, brisketai se ejelijh kybernhtikh syskech sthn opoia syzhteitai to qema ths apergias ths PNO. Qelw na ypenqymisw orismena pragmata: H kybernhsh qelei na antimetwpisei -kai antimetwpizei qetika, opws panta- ta aithmata twn Ellhnwn naytikwn. Pisteyei idiaitera sth megalh shmasia poy exei to naytiko epaggelma gia to eqnos mas kai thn oikonomia mas. Anagnwrizei ta problhmata twn naytikwn kai qelei, se kaqe periptwsh, na einai arwgos kai symparastaths, na analambanei oso to dynato apotelesmatikoteres prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na ta antimetwpizei qetika kai na lynei ta qemata. Epomenws -opws anakoinwse xqes o ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias Giwrgos Anwmeriths- h kybernhsh me neotero nomosxedio -opws exei desmeytei- qa prowqhsei diatajeis gia to NAT kai ta qemata twn naytikwn. H kybernhsh exei apodexqei to aithma ths ayjhshs twn syntajewn twn naytikwn apo to 60% sto 70%, opws qa isxyei gia oloys toys Ellhnes -prooptika, bebaiws, meta to 2008- me tis diatajeis toy nomosxedioy poy syzhteitai sth Boylh. H ayjhsh ayth qa ginei entos mias pentaetias se isoposes doseis, arxhs genomenhs apo 1.1.2003. Epomenws, me thn topoqethsh ayth, poy ginetai me ton pio epishmo tropo, lynetai to aithma ayjhshs ths syntajhs twn naytikwn. Qa isxyei kai gi` aytoys o,ti qa isxyei kai gia oloys toys Ellhnes kai malista syntomotera apo o,ti qa ginei gia toys asfalismenoys sto IKA. Ginetai, epishs, apodekth h ayjhsh ths epikoyrikhs syntajhs twn naytikwn apo 1% se 1,5% to xrono, me anwtato plafon to 30%.

Qeloyme na qymisoyme mia seira allwn qematwn, ta opoia prosfata antimetwpisthkan qetika apo thn kybernhsh:

Prwton, meiwqhke h forologia gia toys ajiwmatikoys toy naytikoy sto 6% kai gia toys naytikoys sto 3%.

Deyteron, epitraphke h epanergasia stoys syntajioyxoys naytikoys, me parallhlh apolhch ths syntajhs toys.

Triton, ta epidomata Kyriakhs entaxqhkan stis syllogikes symbaseis ergasias. Ta epidomata ayta einai 22%.

Tetarton, o kratikos proypologismos kalyptei shmera to 75% twn syntajewn toy NAT. Ektamieyontai 170 disekatommyria draxmes apo ton kratiko proypologismo, kaqe xrono, gia na doqoyn ws sthrijh sto NAT.

Me ayta ta dedomena ginetai safes oti ikanopoioyntai ola ta aithmata twn naytikwn. Den qa pairnoyn tipota ligotero apo toys alloys asfalismenoys. Oi syntajeis toys malista ftanoyn sto anwtato epipedo, nwritera apo o,ti problepetai h prosarmogh gia to IKA.

Qelw na epishmanw oti mprosta sthn ikanopoihsh olwn aytwn twn aithmatwn, h logikh ths epitaxynshs h mh twn dosewn einai para poly mikrh mprosta sthn terastia shmasia poy exoyn ayta ta zhthmata, alla kai mprosta stis terasties epiptwseis poy epiferei gia olo ton ellhniko lao h parateinomenh apergia.

Qeloyme na kalesoyme ta syndikata twn naytikwn, thn omospondia toys, oloys toys Ellhnes naytergates na lysoyn tis apergiakes kinhtopoihseis, dedomenoy oti ta aithmata toys ikanopoioyntai. To kyrio aithma toys gia thn ayjhsh ths syntajhs sto 70%, ginetai prajh, opws ejalloy exoyn ikanopoihqei -opws sas paroysiasa- kai seira allwn aithmatwn.

Qelw na ypogrammisw oti to kostos apo thn paratash ths apergias einai idiaitera bary gia thn oikonomia mas, ton toyrismo mas, thn ejyphrethsh kai thn poiothta zwhs toy polith, idiaitera mprosta se ena trihmero, poy o mesos Ellhnas poliths qelei na to xrhsimopoihsei gia na paei sto xwrio toy h na jekoyrastei me thn oikogeneia toy. Nomizw oti qesh eyqynhs apo thn PNO qa einai h lysh ayths ths apergias kai h synexish toy dialogoy me thn kybernhsh, sxetika me ta zhthmata poy toys apasxoloyn. Kai ayto toys kaloyme na kanoyn.

Se merida toy dieqnoys Typoy dhmosieyontai, ton teleytaio kairo, mia seira arqrwn kai sxoliwn gyrw apo thn paroxh plhroforiwn sthn eisaggelia toy Dieqnoys Poinikoy Dikasthrioy apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. An kai apanthsa kai xqes, se genikes grammes, se ayth thn arqrografia, qelw na sas metaferw ta stoixeia poy dinoyn to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs kai h Trapeza ths Ellados.

Jekinw apo to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs:

H eisaggeleas toy Dieqnoys Poinikoy Dikasthrioy gia ta egklhmata sthn epikrateia ths prwhn Gioygkoslabias k. Karla Ntel Ponte zhthse me thn apo 19.10.2000 aithsh ths paroxh plhroforiwn kai desmeysh sygkekrimenwn logariasmwn poy ferontan na anhkoyn ston Slompontan Milosebits kai se sygkathgoroymenoys toy enwpion toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy. To ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, me thn idiothta toy, ws kentrikhs arxhs, diabibase thn aithsh ston Eisaggelea Efetwn, o opoios aneqese peraiterw thn ypoqesh se taktiko anakrith. O teleytaios, meta apo ereyna, diapistwse oti oi logariasmoi den anhkan sta en logw proswpa. O sxetikos fakelos apestalh sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio me to apo 11.1.2001 eggrafo toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs.

Me nea aithsh ths apo 16.3.2001 (poy symplhrwqhke me to apo 28.3.2001 eggrafo, anaferomeno kai se alloys logariasmoys), h aitoysa arxh epanhlqe sto aithma dikastikhs syndromhs, yposthrizontas oti oi logariasmoi "sxetizontai" me toys kathgoroymenoys. H ypoqesh anateqhke se eidiko efeth anakrith kai ep` ayths ekdoqhkan ta me ariqmo 886?12.4.2001 kai 1286?7.6.2001 boyleymata toy Symboylioy Efetwn poy kaqorizan toys oroys arshs toy trapezikoy aporrhtoy. Parallhla, meta apo eggrafo toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, h Trapeza ths Elladas diejhgage parallhlh ereyna gia thn opoia enhmerwnotan taktika o eidikos anakriths.

Me thn apo 9.8.2001 aithsh, h aitoysa arxh periorise to aithma paroxhs plhroforiwn sthn kinhsh orismenwn mono apo toys arxika anaferomenoys logariasmoys, aitiologhse eidikws toys logoys gia toys opoioys piqanologei oti oi logariasmoi aytoi syndeontai me toys kathgoroymenoys kai anakalese thn aithsh desmeyshs perioysiakwn stoixeiwn. Me to 2132?1.10.2001 boyleyma kriqhke oti h aithsh einai "nea". H ypoqesh eishxqh sto Symboylio Plhmmeleiodikwn, to opoio me to 4826?2001 boyleyma toy apofasise thn arsh toy trapezikoy aporrhtoy kai thn paroxh twn sxetikwn plhroforiwn ston 11o taktiko anakrith. Ta stoixeia sygkentrwqhkan amesa, diabibasthkan me to apo 22.1.2002 eggrafo toy Eisaggelea Efetwn sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs (10 kibwtia) kai apestalhsan telika sthn aitoysa arxh me to apo 7.2.2002 eggrafo toy teleytaioy.

Apo to istoriko prokyptei oti to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs kai oi dikastikes arxes enhrghsan oles tis problepomenes apo to nomo prajeis kai ikanopoihsan thn aithsh ths aitoysas arxhs molis plhrwqhkan oi aysthroi oroi poy tassei o nomos gia thn arsh trapezikoy aporrhtoy kai idiaitera otan estalhsan apo thn aitoysa arxh stoixeia pros piqanologhsh ths syndeshs twn logariasmwn me toys kathgoroymenoys.

Oson afora thn Trapeza ths Ellados:

H Trapeza ths Ellados exei enan poly operiorismeno rolo sthn efarmogh twn Kanonismwn toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, kaqoti h efarmogh toys einai amesh kai ypoxrewtikh entos ths ellhnikhs epikrateias, enw h paroxh kaqe sxetikhs plhroforias einai armodiothta ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs.

Pantws, h Trapeza ths Ellados, sto plaisio ths epoptikhs ths isxyos, diabibase amesa toys Kanonismoys toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, oi opoioi aforoyn tis oikonomikes synallages sygkekrimenwn ajiwmatoyxwn me to kaqestws Milosebits, se ola ta Pistwtika idrymata poy leitoyrgoyn sthn Ellada, alla kai se kaqe nomikh ontothta ths prwhn Dhmokratias ths Gioygkoslabias, h opoia zhthse sxetikh plhroforhsh. Epipleon, to Tmhma Trapezikhs Epopteias dienhrghse epitopoy elegxoys gia na epibebaiwsei th symmorfwsh twn Pistwtikwn Idrymatwn me toys ws anw Kanonismoys.

Stis apanthseis toys, oi Trapezes aneferan peripoy 100 periptwseis, stis opoies oi katoxoi sygkekrimenwn logariasmwn edeixna na omoiazoyn me ta atoma poy eixan katagrafei sto sxetiko Pararthma twn ws anw Kanonismwn. Symfwna me to qesmiko plaisio toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, merh aytwn wn logariasmwn "pagwsan", enw se orismenes alles periptwseis xreiasqhke peraiterw dieykrinish twn proswpikwn dedomenwn apo tis armodies arxes kai thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph.

Epiprosqetws, h Trapeza ths Ellados yposthrije tis prospaqeies toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, prokeimenoy na kalyfqei to aithma toy Eisaggelea ths ICTY gia th diereynhsh yparjhs opoioy logariasmoy h synallaghs sxetizotan me sygkekrimenes, ypoptes parakties etaireies, se sxesh me to aithma bohqeias pros thn kybernhsh ths Ellada. Se ayto to plaisio, h Trapeza ths Elladas dienhrghse epitopoy elegxoys se sygkekrimenes trapezes kai ta apotelesmata aytwn twn elegxwn diabibasthkan armodiws sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs.

Lambanontas ypoch ta parapanw gegonota, kaqws kai toys nomikoys Periorismoys, sto plaisio twn opoiwn h Trapeza ths Ellados exei th dynatothta na parexei kaqe plhroforia h allh bohqeia stis ellhnikes h jenes arxes, aisqanomaste ikanopoihmenoi apo tis Ellhnikes Trapezikes Arxes, oi opoies ekanan o,ti kalytero, gia na yposthrijoyn kai na syneisferoyn stis prospaqeies ths dieqnoys koinothtas, me skopo th diereynhsh twn oikonomikwn synallagwn twn ajiwmatoyxwn toy kaqestwtos toy Milosebits sthn Ellada.

Opws apodeiknyetai apo ayta ta dyo shmeiwmata, toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs kai ths Trapezas ths Ellados, h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai oi elegxomenes apo aythn trapezikes arxes ekanan to kalytero dynato, prokeimenoy na syndramoyn sthn prospaqeia ths dieqnoys koinothtas kai toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy. Na shmeiwsw akomh oti kala qa kanoyn osoi arqrografoyn na katanohsoyn pws ayth h prospaqeia htan h kalyterh dynath. Htan amesh, kaqoristikh kai aposkopoyse sthn -entos, bebaiws, twn ellhnikwn nomwn kai toy koinotikoy plaisioy- symbolh mas sthn prospaqeia, h opoia ginetai. Kaqe allo sxolio me to opoio epixeireitai na dhmioyrghqoyn problhmata, kai malista me asthrikta epixeirhmata, den prosferei kai se kamia periptwsh den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia kai se ayto poy pragmatika exei ginei.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KAPPOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio proekyce kapoio mhnyma pros toys panepisthmiakoys kaqhghtes poy apergoyn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den syzhthqhke kati tetoio.

KAPPOS: Epishs, qa hqela na rwthsw politika, pote htan pio ypeyqynh h kybernhsh ws pros to xwrotajiko sxediasmo twn sxolwn AEI kai TEI, prin tis eqnikes ekloges, otan o Prwqypoyrgos desmeyotan se sygkekrimenes poleis gia idrysh aytonomwn panepisthmiwn h twra, prin tis dhmotikes ekloges, otan to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio egkrinei ena neo xarth katanomhs sxolwn AEI-TEI, se kaqe nomo ths xwras.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia mia akomh fora fobamai oti h mnhmh mas den sas bohqa. Giati, an sas bohqoyse qa qymosastan oti h idrysh twn panepisthmiwn sta opoia anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos exei ginei prajh, idiaitera me tis teleytaies apofaseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy gia th xwrotajikh katanomh toys. Den exoyn kamia sxesh me proeklogikes skopimothtes enanti opoioydhpote.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean me bash tis plhrofories poy diabasame tis prohgoymenes hmeres egine ayto to perifhmo ranteboy sas me ton k. Androylidakh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prokeitai na ginei.

MOSXOBAS: Xqes, eginan tesseris aithseis ptwxeysews, kata ths epixeirhshs toy k. Androylidakh. Oi treis dexqhkan na anablhqoyn. H mia, thn opoia ekane o synadelfos mas k. Nasos Aqanasioy, epemeine na ginei h ekdikash. Ekei, enwpion toy dikasthrioy, o dikhgoros toy k. Androylidakh, epikalesthke th symfwnia poy eixe ginei metajy toy k. Tziola kai toy k. Xythrh, dhladh to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai to ypoyrgeio Typoy, prokeimenoy na petyxei thn anabolh. To erwthma moy einai to ejhs: Apodexetai h kybernhsh thn anamijh toy onomatos dyo ypoyrgeiwn, wste na ephreazontai oi dikastikes apofaseis kata ayto ton tropo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti me gramma ths ESHEA kai twn ergazomenwn sto radiofwniko staqmo "Planet" egine trimerhs synanthsh poy eixe idiaitera qetika apotelesmata. Yparxei, epomenws, mia katalhjh ths trimeroys, opoy o k. Androylidakhs exei desmeyqei se kapoia plhrwmh twn dedoyleymenwn twn ergazomenwn. H kybernhsh epraje poly orqa poy antapokriqhke sto aithma sas kai ekane ayth thn trimerh synanthsh. An apo ekei kai pera, o k. Androylidakhs twra den threi tis desmeyseis toy, ayto einai mia allh syzhthsh. Gi` ayto to logo, exoyme asxolhqei kai exoyme parembei kai allh fora sto zhthma. Mh me bazete twra se antidikies dikastikoy xarakthra proswpwn kata ths etairias, dioti ayto den afora thn kybernhsh.

MOSXOBAS: Eneplakhsan ta ypoyrgeia Typoy kai Ergasias sth syndikalistikh diamaxh, giati epikalesthkan th symfwnia sas...

PRWTOPAPAS: To ypoyrgeio Typoy den eneplakh se tipota. H symfwnia egine meta apo dikh sas aithsh.

MOSXOBAS: O k. Xythrhs den einai melos toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai o k. Xythrhs kai egw den emplekomaste se dikastikes diamaxes proswpwn kata etairias. To ypoyrgeioy Typoy, meta apo aithma ths ESHEA kai diko sas, proxwrhse poly orqa se trimerh synanthsh, ypo thn proedria toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias, opws problepetai, kai ekei poly swsta petyxame na desmeyqei o ergodoths se kapoia pragmata. An threi h oxi tis desmeyseis toy einai mia allh syzhthsh. Gi` ayto parembainoyme pali, gia na tis thrhsei.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Prin apo ligo, o koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos ths N.D. k. Paylopoylos, me aformh shmerino dhmosieyma ths "Kaqhmerinhs" me titlo "me prajh oriakhs nomimothtas h kybernhsh kalyptei ta kena ths maraqwnias diadromhs", kathgorhse thn kybernhsh gia qesmikes aqliothtes poy synistoyn parabiash ths diakrishs twn ejoysiwn, parakamch ths Boylhs kai ypobaqmish toy kyroys toy Koinoboylioy, anaferomenos bebaiws sthn prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Paylopoylos einai kaqhghths toy Dikaioy kai qa eprepe na gnwrizei, alla an den gnwrizei mporoyme na toy to ypenqymisoyme, oti kai h prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy einai mesa sto plaisio poy mporei na proxwrhsei h kybernhsh. H prajh ayth, opws panta, exei ypografei, ws gnwston, apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Kai o logos poy egine prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy htan sygkekrimenos. Eprepe na proxwrhsoyn grhgora ta erga gia th maraqwnia diadromh. Yphrxe kindynos na mhn proxwrhsei, grhgora kai swsta h maraqwnia diadromh, dioti eixan egerqei polla problhmata me dhmarxoys kai dhmotes diaforwn Dhmwn, organwseis katoikwn poy proxwroysan se synexeis enstaseis, me apotelesma na dhmioyrgoyntai polla problhmata. To erwthma poy tiqetai einai, ean eprepe na ginei maraqwnia diadromh h oxi. Idiaitera apo th stigmh poy yparxei h prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy. Kala qa kanei, epiteloys, o k. Paylopoylos na mila gia thn oysia kai oxi mono diadikastika. Fobamai, omws, oti to problhma toy k. Paylopoyloy htan allo. Na mh ginei h maraqwnia diadromh. Epanalambanw ayto poy eipa proxqes gia allh periptwsh. Einai orismenes fores poy ta stelexh ths N.D. moy qymizoyn ton patroktono, o opoios afoy prwta exei skotwsei ton patera toy, paei sto dikasthrio gia na katadikastei kai ekei epikaleitai ws elafryntika oti einai orfanos. Dhladh, apo th mia h N.D. den qelei na ginei to ergo gia na kanei kritikh sthn kybernhsh kai apo thn allh, caxnei diafores diadikastikes aitiologies, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsei problhmata sthn kybernhsh kai na odhghsei se kati poy einai eqnika epizhmio. Alla, h askhsh antipoliteyshs, opws thn antilambanetai h N.D., fainetai oti den exei tetoies anastoles.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Hqela na sas rwthsw, giati den prosteqhke ws tropologia sto arxaiologiko nomosxedio -thn chfish toy opoioy zhthse molis thn prohgoymenh ebdomada o ypoyrgos Politismoy E. Benizelos- h epilysh aytoy toy problhmatos kai xreiasthke telikws na yparjei prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy kai an kata th gnwmh sas h dysforia toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias poy kategrace o Typos, molis prin apo liges hmeres, syndeetai kai me thn apofash ths kybernhshs na ton emplejei oysiastika se ayto to zhthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den emplejame kanenan kai idiaitera ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias ton opoio sebomaste kai timoyme, opws prepei kai opws toy armozei me to kyros poy diaqetei enanti toy ellhnikoy laoy. Oyte pote dianohqhkame kati tetoio. Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na tonisw oti h prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy egine. Den akoloyqhqhke h synhqhs nomoqetikh diadikasia, logw toy idiaitera epeigontos xarakthra toy qematos kai ths anagkhs na jeperastoyn xronikoi periorismoi poy eixan epelqei, logw twn synexwn prosfygwn kai twn problhmatwn ta opoia eixan dhmioyrghqei sthn perioxh. Mporei kapoioi na mhn antilambanontai oti to qema ths ypoxrewshs kai ths terastias eyqynhs poy exei analabei h xwra mas me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes proypoqetei th symbolh olwn mas. Den mporei kaneis na zhthsei ayth th stash eyqynhs apo memonwmenes organwseis kai foreis, alla epiballetai na zhthsei ayth th stash eyqynhs apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean, gia to qema ths apergias twn naytikwn, yparxei diastash apocewn metajy toy k. Xristodoylakh kai toy k. Anwmerith, oson afora to epipedo twn dosewn poy qa katablhqoyn ayta ta xrhmata gia tis syntajeis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prin apo ligo sas paroysiasa thn kybernhtikh apoch, poy anakoinwqhke xqes to brady apo ton k. Anwmerith. Ayto apanta sthn erwthsh sas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Tote, giati o Prwqypoyrgos phre thlefwno ton k. Anwmerith kai toy eipe na mh desmeyetai, ean den exei symfwnhsei me ton k. Xristodoylakh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Fantazomai oti den hsastan mprosta sto thlefwnhma. O Prwqypoyrgos phre xqes thlefwno, opws kai proxqes, oloys toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys, dioti exoyme mia sobarh krish, poy apasxolei ton ellhniko lao. Einai logiko o Prwqypoyrgos oxi mono na enhmerwnetai, alla kai na dinei odhgies gia thn antimetwpish ths. Alimono, ean den to ekane.

MOSXOBAS: Giati enoxlhqhke o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn eisbolh kapoioy kanalioy sto Maieythrio poy gennhse h korh toy kai ti eipe ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn kapoies aysthra proswpikes stigmes ston kaqena mas kai aytes tis stigmes ofeiloyme oloi na tis sebomaste. Ayto qelw na epishmanw mono.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H kybernhsh anamenei telika sth Sebillh na lyqei to qema toy eyrwstratoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean moy epitrepete mia problech -an kai den einai isws swsto- qa elega oti oi piqanothtes einai akribws moirasmenes. Mporei na exoyme kai tis dyo ekdoxes. Dhladh, einai piqano h kinhtikothta poy yparxei, oi prwtoboylies poy analambanontai kai apo thn ispanikh Proedria, na feroyn kati qetiko, poy na ikanopoiei tis ellhnikes apoceis. Opws yparxei kai h piqanothta oi prwtoboylies aytes na mhn katalhjoyn se apotelesma. Eimaste etoimoi gia oles tis periptwseis. Bebaiws, sthn periptwsh poy den qa ikanopoihqoyn oi ellhnikes apoceis, einai safes oti qa kanoyme typikh h atyph xrhsh twn meswn poy exoyme sta xeria mas.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw, ean stoys xeirismoys ths kybernhshs gia lysh ths epikeimenhs apergias stoys naytergates, exete labei ypoch kai piqanes kommatikes skopimothtes twn syndikalistwn, oi opoioi prowqoyn thn apergia. Qelw na pw oti mporei na eixate kapoia epafh me kommata pia kai oxi mono se syndikalistiko epipedo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean qewroysame oti kapoios exei skopimothtes qa eixame to qarros na to poyme. Gnwrizete kala oti exoyme to qarros ths gnwmhs mas kai analambanoyme panta to kostos.

KAPPOS: Ean oi arxaioi Galates fobontoysan mhpws toys pesei o oyranos sto kefali, oi Aqhnaioi qa prepei na foboyntai mhpws anoijei h gh kai toys katapiei; Kai anaferomai gia kentrikotato dromo ths Aqhnas, poy ws gnwston apo tyxh den qrhnhsame xqes to brady qymata.

PRWTOPAPAS: Allh erwthsh.

MOYSOYLIWTHS: Pws krinete to gegonos oti h Ellada ginetai shmera stoxos ths ereynas ths epitrophs toy Kogkresoy gia th laqrometanasteysh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh erxomai kateyqeian apo th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, den exw prolabei na enhmerwqw, alla den katalabainw th lejh ``stoxos''.

MOYSOYLIWTHS: Ginetai gia prwth fora stoxos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ennoeite apo thn Amerikh h pros thn Amerikh;

MOYSOYLIWTHS: Qa hqela na sas pw symplhrwmatika oti to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn exei steilei dyo diplwmates ekei gia na parastoyn sthn epitroph.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhpws einai kapoia syzhthsh genikoteroy xarakthra, endexomenws gia qemata laqrometanasteyshs kai oxi ereyna toy Kogkresoy gia thn Ellada. Ean prokeitai gia kati tetoio h Ellada den exei problhma na ekfrasei tis apoceis ths se ola ta epipeda, opws ginetai ejalloy kai sta organa ths E.E. Gnwrizete oti sthn E.E. to qema qa apasxolhsei th Synodo Koryfhs ths Sebillhs.

MOYSOYLIWTHS: H syzhthsh ayth emperiexei kai thn ereyna mesa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws yparxei sygxysh gia th gnwsth istoria anaforika me thn tromokratia. Ayto ennoeite; Ej oswn antilambanomai, giati einai gnwsth ayth istoria, ennoeite thn prohgoymenh syzhthsh poy eixame kanei kai edw, gyrw apo to aithma twn amerikanikwn arxwn na ginontai nhocies gia qemata tromokratias apo amerikanikes arxes sta ellhnika xwrika ydata. Profanws ayto einai to qema, ean katalabainw kala. Dioti oi amerikanikes arxes qewroyn oti me to prosxhma ths laqrometanasteyshs, kapoioi apo aytoys poy kanoyn aytoy toy eidoys tis ``metafores'' piqano na metaferoyn, kata toys Amerikanoys panta- h na ypokryptoyn kai tromokratika stoixeia. Eixan, loipon, zhthsei oi amerikanikes arxes, toso apo thn Ellada, oso kai apo alles xwres-melh ths E.E., na epitrapoyn nhocies apo amerikanikes arxes h arxes allwn kratwn, entos twn xwrikwn ydatwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. H Ellada exei arnhqei me bash to Syntagma kai to eswteriko dikaio ths, opws ekanan kai alles xwres, na ginontai nhocies apo jenes arxes. Eixame, omws dexqei -kai ayto isws proypoqetei mia peraiterw syzhthsh- thn amesh synergasia me tis arxes ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas, wste apo tis ellhnikes arxes, me dikh mas eyqynh, alla se synergasia me th Dieqnh Koinothta, na diejagontai tyxon ereynes kai nhocies, oi opoies krinontai ws aparaithtes.

Sas eyxaristw.

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