Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-06-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Ioynioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie ypoyrge, qa gnwrizete bebaia tis prosfates dhlwseis poy ekane o Bretanos Lordos Xanei, oi opoies exoyn dhmioyrghsei megalh entash sthn Kypro. Den jerw an exete kanei kapoia dhlwsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekana sxetikh dhlwsh, xqes.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oso plhsiazei h Synodos ths Sebillhs olo kai pio entona akoygetai oti odeyoyme se mia symbibastikh formoyla sxetika me to legomeno eyrwstrato. Mhpws exete kati na mas peite ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den krycame oti yparxei seira prwtoboyliwn, idewn, skecewn kai protasewn apo thn ispanikh Proedria. Eipa kai xqes oti o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy, sto plaisio toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn eixe synanthsh kai antallagh apocewn me ton k. Solana kai ton k. Pike. Yparxei mia seira prwtoboyliwn, mia synexhs antallagh apocewn. Den eimaste, omws, se qesh ayth th stigmh na poyme h na problecoyme thn ekbash toys. Den exoyme symfwnhsei kai den eimaste sta proqyra mias symfwnias. Fysika, mesa stis epomenes hmeres ta pragmata mporei na allajoyn, na exoyme nees protaseis h na doqoyn kapoies dieykriniseis. Fysika, eimaste etoimoi gia ola ta endexomena.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete diakrinei proqeseis apo thn allh pleyra oti qa allajei to keimeno ths Agkyras;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme diakrinei proqeseis kai prwtoboylies gia na breqei kapoia lysh, bebaiws me allages h prosqeseis sto keimeno ths Agkyras, alla se ayto den mporoyme na eimaste bebaioi ean den yparjoyn oi telikes epishmes syzhthseis. Katalabainete oti einai ena qema poy afora thn E.E. kai to NATO, ena para poly sobaro qema gia tis sxeseis E.E. kai NATO. Den eimaste sth fash poy hmastan sth Barkelwnh. Polla pragmata ayth th stigmh ejelissontai. Den mporei, omws, kaneis na apotimhsei meta bebaiothtas kai na problecei to apotelesma aytwn twn prwtoboyliwn. Qelw na to jekaqarisw ayto. Apexoyme poly ayth th stigmh apo mia symfwnia. Mporei, omws, na yparjoyn nees protaseis poy na dhmioyrgoyn ena qetikotero klima. Ola ta endexomena einai anoikta.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Dhladh, yponoeite oti mporei na mhn yparjei lysh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, mporei na mh symfwnhsoyme.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Opote ti ginetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan den exoyme symfwnhsei oi lyseis, opws jerete, einai treis: H mia lysh einai na mh syzhthqei to qema kai na parapemfqei sthn epomenh proedria. H deyterh lysh einai na syzhthqei se atyph diadikasia, opws egine sth Barkelwnh. Oxi, dhladh, sth diarkeia epishmhs synedriashs toy Symboylioy, alla se kapoia synanthsh, to epishmo deipno h to geyma poy ginontai xwris epishma praktika. Kai h trith lysh einai na syzhthqei sth diarkeia ths diadikasias, opote ean den exoyme symfwnhsei qa kanoyme xrhsh twn meswn poy exoyme sta xeria mas. Akomh, omws, den gnwrizoyme tis piqanes diadikastikes kinhseis poy qa ginoyn apo thn ispanikh Proedria. Einai ena qema poy qa kaqoristei poly syntoma.

POYLIDOY: Eipate oti exete diakrinei proqeseis gia allages sto keimeno ths Agkyras...

PRWTOPAPAS: Allages h symplhrwseis.

POYLIDOY: Ayto hqela na pw: Allages h prosqhkes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme ypobalei mia seira skecewn, idewn kai apocewn. Kai h allh pleyra kanei to idio. Akomh eimaste se epipedo antallaghs problhmatismoy. Den yparxoyn sygkekrimenes desmeytikes apoceis poy na mas ikanopoioyn. Qelw na to jekaqarisoyme ayto. Eite aytes aforoyn allages, eite prosqhkes. Se kaqe periptwsh den mporoyme, ayth th stigmh, na poyme oti exoyme fqasei sto prosdokwmeno apotelesma. Se kamia periptwsh. Qelw na to katasthsw safes, gia na mhn yparxei oyte yperaisiodojia, oyte plhrhs apaisiodojia. Eimaste se mia reysth katastash. Exoyme piesei, exoyme dwsei maxes kai sth diarkeia twn dyo Synodwn. Kai sto Laaken, opws gnwrizete, kai sth Barkelwnh. Paroysiasame tis apoceis mas kai sth diarkeia synanthsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn kai allwn armodiwn me thn ispanikh Proedria kai nomizw oti eimaste se mia fash, poy h Ispanikh Proedria staqmizei thn katastash, prokeimenoy na ekdhlwsei tis telikes prwtoboylies ths. Alla, akomh, den mporoyme na prodiagracoyme tipota.

GARGALAKOS: Xqes sth Boylh eixame mia ojeia antiparaqesh anamesa ston Prwqypoyrgo kai ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai oi plhrofories lene oti shmera sthn kat` arqro syzhthsh h N.D. qa apoxwrhsei kai malista yparxoyn dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh poy aitiologei peripoy ayth thn apoxwrhsh, epeidh, leei, den ejasfalizei th biwsimothta toy systhmatos to nomosxedio poy exei eisagei h kybernhsh. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixame problecei thn apoxwrhsh ths N.D., h opoia fygomaxei, krybetai, aisqanetai anasfaleia otan syzhta gia to asfalistiko. Den gnwrizw, ean o k. Karamanlhs kai h paratajh toy to kanoyn gia na krathsoyn thn aparaithth exemyqeia, opws swsta epishmainetai shmera se efhmerida. Ayth h ``exemyqeia'' den einai h prwth fora poy emfanizetai. Den einai h prwth fora poy den apokalyptoyn tis ``qeseis'' toys. Einai kai sto forologiko, einai kai se ola ta krisima zhthmata poy apasxoloyn thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Einai profanes oti den prokeitai gia prospaqeia apokrychs kapoioy pragmatos. Prokeitai gia anyparjia qesewn. O k. Karamanlhs kai h paratajh toy prepei na katalaboyn kala oti me th diadikasia ths fyghs, me th fygomaxia, me to na krybontai, me to na mhn tolmoyn na paroyn qesh, me to na patoyn se dyo barkes, den peiqoyn kanenan. O ellhnikos laos den peiqetai apo politikoys kai politika kommata poy den exoyn qesh, den exoyn programma, den exoyn apoch, den proteinoyn lyseis sta krisima problhmata poy ton apasxoloyn. Ayto fanhke me ton pio trano tropo sth diarkeia ths syzhthshs sth Boylh kai kata th xqesinh omilia toy k. Karamanlh.

TAKHS: Fantazomai oti ta idia poy eipate gia th N.D. , qa isxyoyn apolytws kai gia to KKE, giati prin apo ligo h k. Paparhga anakoinwse oti kai ekeinh qa apoxwrhsei.

PRWTOPAPAS: H k. Paparhga, omws, phre mia qesh. Akoloyqhse mia diaforetikh taktikh apo ton k. Karamanlh. To KKE phre mia qesh. Diafwnoyme me ayth th qesh. Einai safes. Dioti ektimoyme oti ayta poy proteinei einai ejw apo tis pragmatikes dynatothtes ths oikonomias kai tis pragmatikes dynatothtes epilyshs toy asfalistikoy. Omws, eixan mia sygkekrimenh apoch. O k. Karamanlhs den diatypwse kapoia apoch. Einai kai me to nomo Sioyfa kai me toys laikismoys ths allhs pleyras, opws ekfrasthkan apo ton k. Manwlh, alla kai alla stelexh. Einai kai me toys dyo. Pataei se dyo barkes. Fygomaxei kai krybetai. Aisqanetai anasfaleia otan syzhta gia to asfalistiko. Kai sas janalew: Den jerw ean to kanei gia logoys exemyqeias, opws swsta epishmainei synadelfos sas shmera, alla fobamai oti sthn oysia prokeitai gia anyparjia qesewn. Dioti opoios krybetai, opoios exei kati na krycei, qa elega oti to mono poy deixnei ston ellhniko lao einai pws einai epikindynos gia ta problhmata toy kai tis prooptikes toy.

IWANNOY: O k. Karamanlhs, omws, den desmeythke oti qa katarghsei to nomo, ton opoio qa chfisete eseis twra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epikyrwnete ayto poy eipa me thn parathrhsh sas poy einai poly swsth, Afoy den jerei ti na kanei kai den exei qesh kai den tolma na apofasisei, einai logiko na mhn desmeyetai gia tipota.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs, oson afora ta dhmosieymata sxetika me thn ekqesh toy OHE poy epirriptei eyqynes sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs oti paramerise thn Trapeza ths Elladas sto deytero stadio ths ereynas gia toys logariasmoys Milosebits.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. To ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs exei kanei plhrws th doyleia toy, opws akribws zhthqhke apo to Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs kai oloys toys dieqneis Organismoys. Thn Trith, qa exw thn eykairia na anaferqw analytika sto qema, kaqws kai tis energeies ths kybernhtikhs pleyras kai ths Trapezas ths Elladas. Alla, prokatabolika sas lew oti, toso h Trapeza ths Elladas, oso kai to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, exoyn kanei th doyleia toys, kata ton kalytero tropo kai opws akribws toys zhthqhke.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Giati sygkekrimena thn Trith;

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati qeloyme na proetoimastoyme. To yliko einai poly ploysio kai xreiazetai -einai logiko- na melethqei swsta, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na syzhthsoyme.

KWNSTANTHS: Protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos na labei metra gia ta stelexh poy synexizoyn na kanoyn dhlwseis; Aphxoyn tis apoceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy oi dhlwseis toy k. Neonakh oti qa prepei na stamathsei h asylia poy parexetai ston k. Pagkalo kai ton k. Koyloyrh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete pesei kai eseis qyma kapoias farsas poy exei ginei kai h opoia xqes apasxolhse poly kosmo. O k. Neonakhs den exei kanei tetoies dhlwseis. Xqes, egine kapoia parejhghsh h kapoia farsa, dioti metaferqhke kai ston k. Koyloyrh kai -ej oswn gnwrizw- se alla stelexh, oti yparxoyn sxetikes dhlwseis, oi opoies omws den yphrxan. O k. Neonakhs, sth synexeia, epikoinwnhse me ta sygkekrimena stelexh kai doqhkan oi anagkaies dieykriniseis, dioti tetoies dhlwseis den eginan pote. To "hqiko didagma" einai oti prepei na exoyme idia antilhch twn dhlwsewn poy ginontai, protoy topoqethqoyme.

GARGALAKOS: Ayto, omws, apokalyptei kai thn paqogeneia toy PASOK.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean kapoios exei to qarros ths gnwmhs toy kai qelei na kanei tetoioy eidoys dhlwsh, analambanei kai tis eyqynes toy. Den parapempei se kapoion allon na thn kanei. Ayto qelw na to tonisw. Afoy, omws, den yphrxan tetoies dhlwseis, den xreiazetai na sxoliasw kati poy den isxyei.

KWNSTANTHS: Sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs moy, qa apanthsete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw topoqethqei analytika apo th Deytera.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Shmera ston "Adesmeyto Typo" o Giannos Papantwnioy yposthrizei th dhmioyrgia enos eyeliktoy stratiwtikoy systhmatos gia thn antimetwpish kapoioy qermoy epeisodioy sto Aigaio. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai idiaitera swstes oi dhlwseis toy k. Papantwnioy. Oytws h allws, aytos einai o prosanatolismos poy exei apofasistei apo to KYSEA. H sygkekrimenh nea diatajh kai h proetoimasia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn mas, diasfalizoyn plhrws se opoiadhpote tetoia periptwsh ta symferonta kai thn edafikh akeraiothta ths xwras mas. O kainoyrgios sxediasmos -kai se ayton anaferetai o k. Papantwnioy- poy apofasisthke sto KYSEA, erxetai akribws na apanthsei se oles aytes tis periptwseis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Aytoi oi sxediasmoi kalyptoyn kai thn Kypro;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete ti exei symfwnhqei me thn Kypro. Eimaste pantote staqeroi se ayta ta zhthmata. Omws, h parathrhsh toy k. Papantwnioy afora to neo prosanatolismo twn Enoplwn Dynamewn apenanti se otidhpote hqele yparjei. Aytos akribws einai o rolos twn Enoplwn Dynamewn.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Epanerxomai sto qema twn logariasmwn toy Milosebits. Eixate pei thn prohgoymenh ebdomada oti qa mas apantoysate aytes tis hmeres gia to qema ths ekqeshs ths Xaghs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Edwsa mia prwth apanthsh, meta apo epikoinwnia poy eixa me ton k. Petsalniko kai ton k. Gkargkana. Sas epanalambanw pws, opws exoyme pei kai sto parelqon, se o,ti mas exei zhthqei exoyme antapokriqei amesws kai to exoyme steilei. Den yparxei tipota poy na exei krathqei. Oi logariasmoi poy exoyn zhthqei, ta stoixeia kai oi ereynes poy eginan, symfwna me tis apaithseis kai ta zhtoymena toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy, exoyn doqei apo tis armodies yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. Gnwrizete oti to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs eixe anaqesei kai se eidikoys sxetikh ereyna poy diejhxqh me bash tis apaithseis ths kas Ntel Ponte, apo plhmmeleiodikeio. Zhthqhkan stoixeia apo thn Trapeza ths Elladas kai alles trapezes. Ta stoixeia ayta doqhkan apo aytoys poy eixan thn eyqynh ths ereynas sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs kai diabibasthkan apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio. Den exoyme krycei tipota. H synergasia mas me tis dieqneis arxes einai poly kalh.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Den rwtw gia th synergasia me tis dieqneis arxes. H erwthsh moy einai, ean eixan diakinhqei xrhmata apo to kaqestws Milosebits mesw ellhnikwn Trapezwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti ta stoixeia poy zhthqhkan, doqhkan. Epomenws, to Dieqnes Dikasthrio einai ikano, basei aytwn twn stoixeiwn, na katalhjei stis telikes ektimhseis toy. Analytikotera stoixeia me bash tis ekqeseis den mporw na sas dwsw ayth th stigmh. Mporw, omws, na sas dwsw mia politikh apanthsh poy einai safhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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