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Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-06-13

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Ioynioy 2002

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela arxika na sas pw orismena pragmata gia th shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Opws gnwrizete, yparxei h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to basiko qema poy syzhthqhke, thn pragmatikh oikonomikh kai koinwnikh sygklish.

Pera apo ayto, prepei na pw oti to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ejetase kai ena deytero qema: Ta metra poy lambanoyme gia to kalokairi gia th dieykolynsh twn politwn poy paraqerizoyn kai gia th genikoterh prostasia apo problhmata -opws oi pyrkagies k.t.l.- poy fernei o kayswnas.

Epeidh prepei na ginei analytikh anafora kai na syzhthqoyn polla texnika qemata, gia thn enhmerwsh sas qa yparjei eidikh synenteyjh Typoy, stis arxes ths erxomenhs ebdomadas, piqanotata sth Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias. Qa prosklhqeite gi ayth th synenteyjh apo ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn Kwsta Skandalidh, kata thn opoia qa anakoinwqoyn leptomerws, ola ta metra poy apofasise shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qa prohghqei synedriash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs gia ta metra politikhs prostasias kata toys qerinoys mhnes.

Opws gnwrizete, egine shmera h orkwmosia kai sth synexeia -ayth thn wra oloklhrwnetai- h analhch twn kaqhkontwn toy neoy ypoyrgoy Ygeias kai Pronoias Kwsta Stefanh.

O Prwqypoyrgos, kata thn enarkthria topoqethsh toy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio tonise oti "o k. Kwstas Stefanhs einai enas poly gnwstos kai poly shmantikos episthmonas, o opoios exei timhsei thn Ellada kai sto ejwteriko. Einai ena proswpo to opoio, gia polla xronia, exei asxolhqei me qemata politikhs ston tomea ths ygeias. Toy eyxomaste oloi", eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, "kalh epityxia sth doyleia toy. Eimai bebaios oti qa bohqhsei na antimetwpisoyme apotelesmatika ta anoikta problhmata poy exoyme sthn ygeia kai na synexisoyme thn poreia ths metarryqmishs, thn opoia exoyme apofasisei". Ayth htan h parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me thn eykairia ths prwths symmetoxhs toy neoy ypoyrgoy Ygeias kai Pronoias Kwsta Stefanh, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KARELIAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to kleisimo ths odoy Anagnwstopoyloy, entassetai se ayta ta qerina metra, poy mas eipate prwtytera;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi arxes asfaleias proxwrhsan proswrina se ayto to metro, prokeimenoy na melethqoyn meqodoi, gia na mhn epanalhfqei ena epikindyno, opws to prosfato, epeisodio, apo to opoio qa mporoyse na teqei se kindyno h zwh aqwwn politwn.

KARGOYDH: Sta idia dokimastika metra entassontai kai oi peripolies sthn perimetrikh zwnh toy Syntagmatos kai entos toy proaylioy ths Boylhs; Giati, apo to prwi mexri ayth thn wra, yparxoyn kapoia ektakta metra kai hqela na rwthsw, ean kai ayta entassontai sta dokimastika metra poy prowqei to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Profanws, einai synhqh metra gia periptwseis poreiwn, diadhlwsewn h allwn synafwn ekdhlwsewn kai eidikotera ean eprokeito kapoia poreia na paei pros th Boylh. Gia to logo ayto, opws ginetai kaqe fora, lambanontai kapoia -den ta xarakthrizoyme "ektakta"- eidika metra asfaleias.

MOYRTZHS: Epeidh einai polysyxnasto meros to Kolwnaki, yparxoyn problhmata, logw twn metrwn aytwn. Mhpws qa htan protimotero o Prwqypoyrgos na metakomisei sto Megaro Majimoy h se jenodoxeio ths Khfisias, sto Penteliko logoy xarh, na meinei proswrina mexri na paroyn oi astynomikoi ta metra ayta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa hqela na krathsoyme th syzhthsh mas se idiaitera sobaro epipedo. Me sygxwreite alla, para th sympaqeia poy trefw pros to proswpo sas, qewrw oti h erwthsh sas stereitai ths sxetikhs sobarothtas kai den qa apanthsw.

KARELIAS: Otan lete "proswrino", ti ennoeite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oti to metro qa dokimastei mexri tis 30 Ioynioy. Oi arxes asfaleias, poy elaban ayto to metro, qeloyn na melethsoyn oloys toys tropoys gia thn apotroph epeisodioy, opws to prosfato, me ena kai monadiko stoxo: Na mhn yparjoyn aqwa qymata apo endexomenh epanalhch paromoioy epeisodioy. Gnwrizete poly kala oti anthllaghsan pyrobolismoi. Oi thleoptikoi staqmoi anaferqhkan se sfaires poy perasan jysta apo kefalia politwn. Malista, enas thleoptikos staqmos periegrafe me idiaitera dramatiko tropo thn katastash. Den exw logo na antidikhsw me ayto. Prepei na pw, omws, oti einai eyqynh twn arxwn asfaleias na ylopoihsoyn ola ekeina ta metra kai na melethsoyn oles ekeines tis piqanes lyseis -kai me dokimastikes kinhseis- oi opoies qa odhghsoyn sthn apotroph endexomenhs epanalhchs enos analogoy epeisodioy. Kai giati; Gia na mhn teqei se kindyno h zwh enos aqwoy polith, enos dierxomenoy h opoioydhpote mporei na menei h na ergazetai sthn perioxh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Stis 30/6, loipon, ayto to proswrino metro lhgei. Yparxei endexomeno apo ekei kai pera ayto to metro, afoy xrhsimopoieitai gia logoys empeirias, na monimopoihqei meta; Mporei na apodeixqei oti einai xrhsimo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta symperasmata poy qa ejaxqoyn apo thn efarmogh toy proswrinoy aytoy metroy, qa einai idiaitera polytima gia th synexeia. Piqanon na xreiastei na dokimastei kai kapoio allo metro, to opoio den gnwrizoyme ayth th stigmh. Den mporw na prokaqorisw tis apofaseis kai tis prosarmoges poy qa xreiastei na kanoyn oi arxes asfaleias, oi opoies exoyn thn eyqynh. Bebaiws, exoyn eyqynh na prostateysoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo kai nomizw oti se opoiadhpote dhmokratikh xwra lambanontai metra asfaleias kai gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai gia ton Prwqypoyrgo kai en pash periptwsei, toys anqrwpoys poy exoyn enan ejexonta rolo sta politika pragmata. Ayto symbainei pantoy. Oi arxes asfaleias qeloyn na melethsoyn tropoys, wste ean endexomenws symbei kapoio epeisodio, opws to prosfato, na mhn yparxoyn problhmata gia toys polites kai na apotrapei to epeisodio ayto. Na mhn mporesei kapoios na to prokalesei. Na mhn mporesei na qesei se kindyno th zwh aqwwn politwn, opws egine prosfata. Eseis oi idioi katagracate me to reportaz oti kindyneysan polites.

KONTOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos zhthse na lhfqoyn ayta ta ektakta metra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai apofash twn arxwn asfaleias.

KONTOPOYLOS: Apo th stigmh poy elhfqhsan ayta ta ektakta metra, gia na mhn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai ektakta metra. Eipa jana oti prokeitai gia dokimastika metra.

KONTOPOYLOS: Apo th stigmh, loipon, poy elhfqhsan ayta ta metra gia na apotrapei, gia na mhn epanalhfqei ena tetoio epeisodio, apomakrynqhkan oi ypeyqynoi, ws to Sabbato to prwi, twn metrwn asfaleias h kapoios ypeyqynos twn metrwn asfaleias toy spitioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn odo Anagnwstopoyloy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma den yphrxe kapoios ypeyqynos. Den synebh kati gia to opoio ftaine kapoioi anqrwpoi. Gnwrizete oti htan epitrepth h dieleysh twn oxhmatwn. Ena aytokinhto, loipon, pernoyse. Molis to aytokinhto stamathse, oi andres ths asfaleias toy Prwqypoyrgoy plhsiasan na kanoyn elegxo. Petaxthke o k. Aibazidhs kai arxise na pyrobolei me thn karampina. Den nomizw, loipon, oti yparxei h prepei na anazhthqei eyqynh se kapoion andra ths asfaleias.

KONTOPOYLOS: Apo th stigmh poy lambanontai alla metra, qa mporoysan na eixan lhfqei prin to Sabbato to prwi kai prin ton pyrobolismo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan ginetai ena epeisodio kata to opoio antallassontai pyrobolismoi kai otan apo toys pyrobolismoys aytoys tiqetai se kindyno h zwh aqwwn politwn, ofeiloyn oi arxes asfaleias na epanejetazoyn ta metra poy exoyn labei.

KONTOPOYLOS: Dhladh, oi arxes asfaleias lambanoyn metra ek twn ysterwn kai afoy exei se kindyno h zwh aqwwn politwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe epeisodio poy dhmioyrgei tetoia problhmata, ofeiloyn oi arxes asfaleias na to ajiologoyn. Alimono ean den to ajiologoysan. O laos mas exei mia paroimia: "Kaqe empodio gia kalo". Yphrje, loipon, ena "empodio", ena epeisodio, sto opoio anthllaghsan pyrobolismoi. Oi sfaires, opws eidate, mporoysan na xtyphsoyn kapoio aqwo polith. Eytyxws, ayto den egine. Den shmainei, loipon, oti epeidh den egine, den qa laboyn metra oi arxes asfaleias kai den qa dokimasoyn meqodoys, wste na apotrapei endexomenh epanalhch enos tetoioy epeisodioy. Giati; Gia na prostateysoyn ton aplo, ton aqwo polith. Ayto einai to endiaferon mas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ypeyqynos twn metrwn asfaleias gyrw apo to spiti toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poios einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, alla den qa kanw astynomiko reportaz. Eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ma, afora ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den einai astynomiko reportaz. Einai qema poy syzhthqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. To eqese h ka Papandreoy. Rwthse ton Prwqypoyrgo, ti ginetai me ayto to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den syzhthqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio h organwsh ths asfaleias toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai pws einai oi bardies. Yparxei o dieyqynths ths asfaleias toy Prwqypoyrgoy, einai ajiwmatikos ths Astynomias kai katanemontai oi andres poy einai apospasmenoi gia thn asfaleia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, se bardies me tropo poy en pash periptwsei den xreiazetai, oyte egw na gnwrizw, oyte na sas enhmerwsw sto press-room.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Kai palaiotera, apo to 1996, yphrje mia tetoia protash apo tis arxes asfaleias na kleisei h odos Anagnwstopoyloy kai ayto to aithma eixe aporrifqei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn akoystei, kata kairoys, kai tetoies protaseis. Bebaiws, proqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy panta einai na mh dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata stoys polites kai toys perioikoys. Ayth th stigmh yphrje ena epeisodio kai teqhke se kindyno h zwh aqwwn politwn. Oi arxes asfaleias ofeiloyn na lambanoyn metra, ta opoia kai elaban dokimastika, wste na apotrecoyn tyxon epanalhch enos tetoioy alloy epeisodioy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Moy lete oti, ayth th fora kai meta to epeisodio poy egine o Prwqypoyrgos anace to "prasino" fws.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi arxes asfaleias, oi opoies einai ypeyqynes gia th zwh kai thn asfaleia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn politwn, exoyn to dikaiwma kai thn eyqynh na laboyn kapoia metra.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Ayto poy den exw katalabei einai, ean mexri to prohgoymeno Sabbato, oi arxes asfaleias den eixan piqanologhsei to endexomeno na yparjei epiqesh sto spiti toy Prwqypoyrgoy, wste na exoyn efarmosei ena sxedio drashs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na tonisw oti isws prepei na katalabei kaneis kala th skhnh toy epeisodioy. Ta aytokinhta pernoyn eleyqera. Ena aytokinhto stamata. Oi arxes asfaleias plhsiazoyn amesws. Petagetai o k. Aibatzidhs kai arxizei na pyrobolei. Bebaiws, pyrobolhsan kai oi andres ths asfaleias. Eytyxws den yphrjan anqrwpina qymata. Ayto to epeisodio prepei na ajiologhqei apo tis arxes asfaleias, wste etsi na kanoyn swsta th doyleia toys.

MOYRTZHS: Oi geitones omonooyn, opws o k. Cyxarhs; Kai ena deytero erwthma, symfwna me dhmosieymata toy "BHMATOS", apo koskino qa perasoyn oloi oi fakeloi twn anqrwpwn ths asfaleias toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Yparxei kai ena shmeio poy leei oti sto parelqon o Prwqypoyrgos breqhke se apostash bolhs apo enan pistolero, xwris pote na koinopoihqei to gegonos. Ayto synebh to 1996. Eystaqoyn ayta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, o Prwqypoyrgos den breqhke se apostash bolhs apo kapoion pistolero. Einai alhqeia, ej oswn gnwrizw, oti to 1996 h asfaleia toy Prwqypoyrgoy -ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy- stamathse kapoion o opoios epixeiroyse na mpei sto Megaro me pistoli. O anqrwpos aytos den mphke sto Majimoy. To epeisodio teqhke ypoch toy tote dieyqynth asfaleias toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Sth synexeia, den nomizw oti elhfqh kapoio metro.

Oson afora to prwto erwthma sas, oi arxes asfaleias lambanoyn metra poy aforoyn thn asfaleia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn anqrwpwn poy menoyn sthn perioxh, alla kai twn dierxomenwn politwn kai aytes exoyn apokleistika thn eyqynh. Kapoioi mporei na enoxloyntai h na antimetwpizoyn problhmata, oson afora thn apofash ayth. Ayto einai apolytws katanohto kai sebasto. Alla ejisoy katanohto kai sebasto einai oti prepei na prostateyqoyn anqrwpines zwes, na einai sebasth h merimna gia thn prostasia toy polith.

KONTOPOYLOS: Poios htan aytos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw. Ayth th stigmh, den mporw na brw to dieyqynth asfaleias gia leptomereies. Allwste, ayto synebh to 1996.

KAPPOS: Qelw na rwthsw, prwton, ean oi shmerines sas diatypwseis synistoyn paradoxh toy gegonotos oti kindynecan polites kai apo tis sfaires twn astynomikwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan ginetai antallagh pyrobolismwn den tiqetai se kindyno h zwh twn dierxomenwn politwn;

KAPPOS: Xairomai poy to lete giati eixate dwsei diaforetikh apanthsh otan rwthsa prin dyo meres.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrje thleoptikos staqmos -mporei kai alloi- o opoios edeije mia sfaira na trypa th bitrina parakeimenoy katasthmatos kai malista me idiaitera glafyro tropo, o synadelfos sas, periegrafe pws h sfaira perase jysta apo kapoia kommwtria. Den to eipa egw. Ayto to eida se ola ta kanalia, se oloys toys thleoptikoys staqmoys.

KAPPOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw kati oysiastikotero: Ean ayto to proswrino metro, opws lete, to opoio isxyei gia thn odo Anagnwstopoyloy, einai kai gia alles perioxes poy qa krinei h Astynomia -kai ennow perioxes poy den katoikei kapoios qesmikos paragwn- oti synebh kapoio egklhma h kapoia maxh. Yparxei prooptikh ayto to metro ths "aposteirwmenhs zwnhs" na epektaqei kai kapoy alloy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporw na to gnwrizw ayto; Einai dynato na kanete tetoia erwthsh; Mporw na jerw ti qa kanoyn ayrio oi arxes asfaleias; Qa me rwthsoyn; Sas parakalw !

KAPPOS: Profanws, den to apokleiete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporw na jerw egw ti qa kanoyn oi arxes asfaleias toy topoy gia na prostateysoyn toys polites. Oyte qa me rwthsoyn, bebaia. Oi arxes asfaleias qa kanoyn th doyleia toys.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Prokeitai na pezodromhqei h odos Anagnwstopoyloy kai to kommati poy brisketai mprosta apo to spiti toy k. Shmith;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw dianeimei pros dieykolynsh sas thn apofash, h opoia ta legei ola.

MIXAS: Shmera h ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'' dhmosieyei apospasma toy porismatos toy Dieqnoys Poinikoy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs, poy exei dhmosieyqei kai se jena entypa, sxetika me to xrhmatodotiko mhxanismo ths polemikhs mhxanhs twn Serbwn, kentra ths opoias htan h Ellada kai h Kypros. Qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Thn periodo poy kalyptei h ekqesh, dhladh apo to 1994 mexri to 2000, diaforoi ekproswpoi ths Trapezas ths Elladas, poy exei ton epoptiko elegxo toy ellhnikoy trapezikoy systhmatos, diabebaiwnan toso emas, oso kai jenoys synadelfoys, oti oyte logariasmoi yphrxan kai oti ola ayta einai cemata. Malista, oi ereynes poy eixan ginei sth Laikh Trapeza den apedwsan tipota kai malista h Laikh Trapeza epaije shmantiko rolo sthn ejagora toy OTE Serbias apo ton eqniko OTE. Me dedomeno ayto to porisma kai me dedomena ola ta alla poy exoyn prokycei, qelw na rwthsw, ean arxizete na skefteste th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia na diereynhsei ayta ta qemata.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixate thn kalosynh na moy steilete xqes ta sxetika eggrafa, ta opoia epejergazomaste ayth th stigmh. Qa sas apanthsw piqanotata th Deytera.

MOYRTZHS: Sxetika me to kazino ths Parnhqas qa hqela na rwthsw, ean ta synarmodia ypoyrgeia Anaptyjhs kai Oikonomias qa agnohsoyn th megalh diafora timhmatos gia to kazino ths Parnhqas poy prokyptei apo thn antiprosfora ths koinoprajias "Kazino Attikhs".

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn enhmerwqhka apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys, yphrje mono mia ekdhlwsh proqesewn apo thn koinoprajia. Qelw, omws, na ypenqymisw oti oi armodies arxes exoyn proxwrhsei to diagwnismo, exoyn anoixtei, symfwna me toys oroys toy diagwnismoy, oi oikonomikes prosfores kai bainei pros thn oloklhrwsh toy. Yphrxan safeis diatajeis gia ton tropo dienergeias toy diagwnismoy. Den einai dynaton o tropos dienergeias toy diagwnismoy na diataraxqei me opoiadhpote ek twn ysterwn kai meta to anoigma twn oikonomikwn prosforwn, ekdhlwsh endiaferontos.

MOYRTZHS: H kybernhsh qa apempolhsei 52 ekatommyria eyrw;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, den einai prosfora. H kybernhsh einai ypoxrewmenh na kanei diagwnismoys. Kai otan jekina enas diagwnismos exei oroys, oxi mono ths dikhs mas kybernhshs. Opws gnwrizete, aytoi oi diagwnismoi einai kai dieqneis, otan einai panw apo kapoio poso. Aytos einai terastios diagwnismos. Epomenws, qa einai dieqnhs. Apeyqynomaste se olo ton kosmo kai oxi mono sth xwra mas. O diagwnismos exei safeis oroys. Leei pote kataqeteis to fakelo soy, pws kataqeteis thn texnikh kai oikonomikh prosfora soy. Kapoia stigmh diadoxika anoigoyn oi prosfores. Kapoia stigmh anoigoyn kai oi oikonomikes prosfores. Den einai nohto, afoy exoyn anoijei ola ayta kai afoy oloklhrwnetai h diadikasia h brisketai sth fash ths oloklhrwshs ths, na erqei kapoios kai na stamathsei to diagwnismo me mia aplh epistolh, poy na leei oti "ekdhlwnw endiaferon". O diagwnismos qa proxwrhsei, symfwna me tis diatajeis toy apo tis armodies arxes. Aytes einai ypeyqynes kai aytes qa apofasisoyn.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Xqes, o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Xristodoylakhs kaloyse qesmikoys ependytes na proxwrhsoyn shmera sthn prosfora kai agora toy 6% twn metoxwn toy OTE. Shmera me synenteyjh toy sthn oikonomikh efhmerida "TO KERDOS" o ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Berelhs synista prosoxh se tetoioy eidoys kinhseis. H kybernhsh enqarrynei thn agora aytwn twn metoxwn h synista prosoxh se tetoioy eidoys kinhseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai diaforetikh mia genikoy xarakthra synenteyjh, h opoia profanws exei doqei poly prin kai diaforetiko mia sygkekrimenh apofash, h opoia -opws katalabainete- gia para polloys logoys, eprepe na anakoinwqei aifnidiastika. Giati, htan safes oti an den yphrxe aifnidiastikh anakoinwsh, qa eixame sobara problhmata kai sobares kathgories poy qa mporoysate na apeyqynete. Epomenws, einai diaforetiko kapoies genikes diapistwseis kai diaforetiko mia eidikh prajh, kai malista me to xarakthra poy eixe. Me thn prajh ayth to kratos qa krathsei ena pososto metoxwn toy OTE poy kymainetai gyrw sto 33%-34%, poy na toy epitrepei th dynatothta parembashs se kapoies apofaseis idiaitera sobares kai kaqoristikes gia to mellon toy Organismoy symfwna me to Katastatiko toy. Kai bebaiws, gnwrizete oti einai safhs h proqesh mas na mh dwsoyme peraiterw metoxes kai den xreiazetai epomenws na mpei ston OTE strathgikos ependyths.

MPOTWNHS: Egine shmera syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia to non paper toy k. Berelh poy edwse xqes h k. Papandreoy ston k. Shmith, kata th synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy; Kai epishs, na mas peite ean einai enoxlhmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo ayth thn epikoinwnia me toys ypoyrgoys toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den ginetai syzhthsh epi pantos episthtoy. Qelw na sas to epishmanw ayto. Oson afora ta qemata poy syzhthqhkan xqes kai ejakoloyqoyn na syzhtoyntai kai shmera, o armodios ypoyrgos k. Berelhs, erwthqeis sxetika, dieceyse me kathgorhmatiko tropo thn yparjh tetoioy eggrafoy h non paper, opws to onomazoyme.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Poy to dieceyse;

PRWTOPAPAS: Erwthqeis apo emena, dieceyse thn yparjh tetoioy eggrafoy kai sas metaferw thn apanthsh toy.

ANTYPAS: Yparxei se ejelijh syskech sth Boylh ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia ton eyrwstrato;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, yparxei se ejelijh syskech sth Boylh. Einai genikoterh, omws, kai afora thn proetoimasia ths Synodoy Koryfhs sth Sebillh. Einai logiko, oti o Prwqypoyrgos na kanei mia seira apo syskeceis proetoimasias enocei ths Synodoy.

ANTYPAS: Mporeite na mas peite poioi symmetexoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: H politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai symboyloi toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ta qemata ths atzentas einai polla kai idiaitera shmantika, gi` ayto qa ginoyn kai alles syskeceis. Gia paradeigma prepei na ginoyn eidikes syskeceis gia ta qemata laqrometanasteyshs, ths dieyrynshs, ta agrotika, opws gia tis allages poy qa prokycoyn se oti afora ton tropo leitoyrgias toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. H Synodos ayth einai para poly shmantikh kai h proetoimasia mas apaitei seira synanthsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys armodioys ypoyrgoys. Einai mia synhqhs kybernhtikh leitoyrgia.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qelw to sxolio sas, giati opws prokyptei apo to reportaz h ypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Basw Papandreoy einai entona enoxlhmenh apo th stash toy k. Berelh kai malista feretai na eipe ston k. Shmith, oti den einai dynaton na mhn yparxei allhleggyh h telos pantwn na "xtypioyntai" dyo ypoyrgoi metajy toys me non paper.

PRWTOPAPAS: Fantazomai oti ennoeite th xqesinh synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy. Den jerw ti egine, den hmoyn parwn. Qa sas enhmerwsei to komma gi` ayto.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ena politiko sxolio gia th "diamaxh" dyo ypoyrgwn zhtw, k. Ekproswpe.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yphrje syzhthsh metajy dyo ypoyrgwn epi toy qematos. Shmera sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den yphrje syzhthsh metajy dyo ypoyrgwn gia to qema ayto. An yphrxe, qa sas to elega. Ekeino poy gnwrizoyme -kai diabasa kai egw, opws diabasate kai eseis- einai oti teqhke qema sth xqesinh synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy apo melos toy E.G.. Yparxoyn anafores shmera stis efhmerides, tis exete dei. Enhmerwsa ton k. Berelh gia ta qemata ayta kai sas metefera thn apanthsh toy. Diaceydei kathgorhmatika thn yparjh tetoioy eggrafoy.

IWANNOY: Katopin entolhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy ton rwthsate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti otan dw kati ston Typo, an den to gnwrizw o idios, rwtw ton armodio ypoyrgo. Ayth einai h doyleia moy. Olh h doyleia moy, ypo th genikh ennoia bebaiws, einai katopin entolhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, dioti alliws den qa hmoyn ypoyrgos.

IWANNOY: To rwtw dioti xqes h k. Papandreoy edwse kai to non paper ston Prwqypoyrgo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den yphrje tetoio qema.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite gia thn epimonh moy, k. Ypoyrge. Ayto poy edwse h k. Papandreoy den yparxei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Htan safhs h apanthsh poy edwsa prin apo ligo.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Moy eipate oti o k. Berelhs den ebgale pote non paper.

PRWTOPAPAS: Hmoyn safhs.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Dieceyse o k. Berelhs oti yparxei non paper. Ayto den lete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na sas pw gia th sxesh metajy ellhnikwn kai agglikwn@; Non paper den yparxei, giati einai non paper.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Twra, mhn "paizoyme" me tis lejeis. Einai gia ena qema poy afora thn kybernhsh, einai gia ena qema poy afora dyo ypoyrgoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei qema gia thn kybernhsh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite den yparxei kanena qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei qema gia thn kybernhsh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: To keimeno poy edwse, to xarti poy edwse h k. Papandreoy ston k. Shmith yparxei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, den yparxei qema gia thn kybernhsh. Deyteron, o armodios ypoyrgos gia ton opoion teqhke to zhthma, rwthqhke kai sas metaferw thn apanthsh toy. Oti o k. Berelhs den gnwrizei thn yparjh tetoioy eggrafoy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: An katalabainw, loipon, kala kanei laqos h k. Papandreoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporoyme na leitoyrghsoyme me oroys tetoioys. Sas eipa jana oti gia thn kybernhsh den yparxei qema. Ean hqela na pw oti yparxei qema qa sas to elega. Den yparxei kanena qema me kanenan ypoyrgo. Eimai para poly safhs. Den gnwrizw an yphrje kapoia paraplhroforhsh. Ekeino poy qelw na sas enhmerwsw, giati aytos einai o rolos mas edw, einai prwton, oti den yparxei kanena qema gia thn kybernhsh, epomenws kai gia ton Prwqypoyrgo kai deyteron, oti o armodios ypoyrgos arneitai kai diaceydei kathgorhmatika thn yparjh tetoioy eggrafoy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ekfrazoyn kai thn ypoyrgo PEXWDE;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh apanthsei se oles tis erwthseis sas.

MOYRTZHS: Telika qa ypobalei mhnysh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den yphrje tetoio qema, to jekaqarisame kai xqes.

Sas eyxaristw.


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