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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Aprilioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy me ton Toyrko omologo toy Ismahl Tzem anaxwroyn ayrio, Tetarth, gia to Israhl kai thn Palaistinh. Thn Pempth qa exoyn synanthseis me ton Proedro ths Palaistiniakhs Arxhs Giaser Arafat sth Ramala kai sth synexeia me ton Prwqypoyrgo toy Israhl Ariel Saron kai ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Simon Peres sto Tel Abib.

Sas enhmerwnw eisagwgika, giati moy exete qesei, kat` epanalhch, to erwthma ti qa ginei, an qa exei tyxh h prwtoboylia twn dyo ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn, kai -opws blepete- exei th qetikh synexeia ths.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Afoy mas anakoinwnete ayto, ti prosdoka h kybernhsh apo ayth th synanthsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai mia poly shmantikh prwtoboylia. Dyo xwres poy -opws gnwrizete- exoyn perasei apo polles kai dyskoles faseis -exqrothtas kai antipalothtas, oi opoies prospaqoyn na broyn koinh glwssa gia na synennohqoyn panw stis diafores toys kai poy exoyn kataferei na dhmioyrghsoyn synqhkes eirhnhs kai omalothtas sthn perioxh, analambanoyn me thn episkech twn dyo ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn sth flegomenh perioxh ths M. Anatolhs, mia koinh prwtoboylia sthn kateyqynsh ylopoihshs twn apofasewn toy OHE. Kai ayto einai idiaitera kai symbolika shmantiko.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Papandreoy se ayth thn apostolh phgainei ws "Ellada" h paei kai ws "Eyrwph" kai metaferei kati apo thn E.E.;

PRWTOPAPAS: H prwtoboylia anaptyssetai apo thn ellhnikh kai thn toyrkikh kybernhsh dia twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn, G. Papandreoy kai I. Tzem. O k. Papandreoy phgainei ws ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Elladas. Bebaiws, kata th diarkeia twn synomiliwn poy qa exei qa ekfrasei kai tis apoceis, tis prwtoboylies, kaqws kai ola ta qemata poy exoyn syzhthqei sthn E.E. Ayto einai aytonohto, alla h prwtoboylia anhkei sthn ellhnikh kai thn toyrkikh kybernhsh.

PITTARAS: O Amerikanos apestalmenos gia to Kypriako k. Tomas Goyeston, fainetai na proteinei mia proswrinh lysh sto Kypriako mexri ton Ioynio, h opoia qa synodeyetai kai apo graptes desmeyseis metajy twn kyriwn Klhridh kai Ntenktas gia th synexish twn synomiliwn. Thn idia stigmh, omws, h E.E. syzhta ton termatismo twn synomiliwn mexri ton Ioynio, giati opws lene endexetai h opoia paratash na odhghsei kai se mia anabolh ths entajhs. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kata kairoys exoyn ekdhlwqei diafores tetoies prwtoboylies. Ekeino poy exw na epishmanw einai oti h poreia poy akoloyqeitai sto Kypriako einai sygkekrimenh kai exei sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma. To xronodiagramma ayto qa thrhqei. Yparxei h qelhsh apo thn kybernhsh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias -poy ekfrazetai dia toy Proedroy Klhridh- na breqei lysh sto Kypriako. Exei epibebaiwqei ayto kai apo ton kybernhtiko ekproswpo ths Kyproy me tis shmerines dhlwseis toy. Yparxei qelhsh gia lysh -bebaiws sthn kateyqynsh, sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE- apo thn Kypro. Apo ekei kai pera, prepei kai h toyrkokypriakh pleyra na analabei tis eyqynes ths. Oi synomilies proxwroyn kai qeloyme na eyodwqoyn. Oi synomilies gia thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy, poy ginontai me sygkekrimeno desmeytiko xronodiagramma, den syndeontai me thn poreia entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E.. Ayth einai mia allh diadikasia poy afora ena allo organo kai prowqeitai me bash tis apofaseis, toys kanonismoys, toys kanones kai ta krithria ths E.E..

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na moy peite, prwton, an symfwneite me osoys lene oti exei ftasei to telos twn sosialistikwn kommatwn sthn Eyrwph kai deyteron, ti lete gia thn epiqesh toy k. Royssopoyloy ston Prwqypoyrgo, legontas oti prospaqei na paroysiasei ta dika toy adiejoda, ws adiejoda toy politikoy systhmatos, me aformh tis proedrikes ekloges sth Gallia.

PRWTOPAPAS: H N.D. qa ekane kala na dei ta apotelesmata mias seiras dhmoskophsewn poy eidan teleytaia to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Qa ekane kala na skeftei kai na problhmatistei idiaitera apo to gegonos oti oi peripoy misoi chfoforoi ths den exoyn katanohsei oti h xoynta ekane kako sthn Ellada, ekane kako sth dhmokratia mas. Kai ayto einai idiaitera dramatiko. Kai ayto prepei epiteloys na problhmatisei thn hgesia ths N.D.. H hgesia ths N.D. ofeilei na katalabei oti me thn taktikh ths isopedwshs twn pantwn, thn taktikh ths apajiwshs, thn taktikh ths yponomeyshs twn qesmwn, thn taktikh ths fqoras ths politikhs, poy me th rhtoreia ths, tis qeseis poy pairnei kai tis praktikes poy akoloyqei se mia seira qemata toy dhmosioy bioy, kaqe allo para prosferei kales yphresies. Me thn taktikh ths yponomeyshs, ths isopedwshs , ths fqoras kai apajiwshs twn pantwn, dhmioyrgeitai kai to ideologiko ypostrwma gia akrodejies antilhceis. Kai ayto einai ena idiaitera sobaro qema.

Qa deite shmera mia allh dhmoskophsh poy leei oti to 12% twn Ellhnwn qa mporoyse na chfisei akrodejia. Den jerw ta sygkekrimena poiotika xarakthristika -ola ayta qa prepei anamfibola na melethqoyn- alla ws prwto symperasma qa eprepe na eixe hdh dhmioyrghsei alloy typoy antanaklastika kai apo to komma ths N.D.. Pragmatika nomizw oti einai kairos na analaboyme tis eyqynes mas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie ypoyrge froneite oti h dhmokratia sthn Ellada kindyneyei apo tetoia fainomena;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den nomizw oti h dhmokratia kindyneyei. H dhmokratia sthn Ellada exei poly isxyres kai staqeres domes kai exoyme kataferei -ola ayta ta xronia meta th xoynta kai me oles tis kybernhseis- na dhmioyrghsoyme mia staqerothta ths dhmokratias. Bebaiws, yparxoyn qemata poiothtas poy prepei na doyme. Ena, loipon, apo ta megala qemata poiothtas einai kai ayto ths isopedwshs, ths apajiwshs kai ths yponomeyshs twn qesmwn. Otan bgainei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai xrhsimopoiei mia rhtoreia, mia topoqethsh panw sta qemata toy dhmosioy bioy, otan akoloyqei praktikes, se sygkekrimena problhmata, otan emfanizei thn Ellada gkriza kai katestrammenh, otan dhmioyrgei to aisqhma mias genikeymenhs skandalologias kai mias apajiwshs twn pantwn, me ayth thn praktikh epitrepei na dhmioyrghqei to ideologiko ypostrwma gia akrodejies antilhceis. Anoigei to dromo se tetoioy eidoys katastaseis. Kai aytes den shmainei oti den qa ekfrastoyn. Kai nomizw oti oloi prepei na tis katadikasoyme ws problhma gia thn koinwnia mas. Giati, gia paradeigma, ta fainomena ratsismoy kai jenofobias einai problhma gia tis eyrwpaikes koinwnies.

MPOTWNHS: Den moy apanthsate sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs moy, an hrqe to telos twn sosialistikwn kommatwn sthn Eyrwph.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw oti ekeinoi poy kanoyn tetoioy eidoys probleceis, qa apogohteytoyn para poly syntoma. Mhn jexnate oti sthn Eyrwph ta sosialistika kommata exoyn baqies rizes mesa sthn koinwnia. Einai ta kommata poy prowqhsan to shmerino eyrwpaiko koinwniko protypo. Einai ta kommata poy edwsan mia rizikh apanthsh yper twn koinwniwn sta adiejoda poy eixe dhmioyrghsei o neofileleyqerismos prin apo merika xronia. Bebaiws pernoyn mia krisimh fash, mia krisimh kamph. Bebaiws yparxei anagkh gia to neo sygxrono logo ths eyrwpaikhs Aristeras kai thn antapokrish sta sygxrona problhmata poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei stis eyrwpaikes koinwnies. H apanthsh qa erqei apo thn idia thn Eyrwaristera. Kai qa einai perissoterh Eyrwph, perissoterh dhmokratia, isxyroterh koinwnia.

MIXAS: Thn perasmenh ebdomada doqhke sth dhmosiothta ena meros ths ekqeshs twn Ollandwn empeirognwmonwn gia th Semprenitsa, poy odhghse sthn paraithsh ths ollandikhs kybernhshs. Sthn ekqesh ayth yparxei ena kefalaio me titlo ``kataskopeia kai polemos sth Bosnia, 1992-95'', sto opoio anaferetai oti kaq` olh th diarkeia toy polemoy sth Bosnia h MOSANT kai h EYP, dhladh israhlinh kai ellhnikh, mystikes yphresies ejoplizan toys Serbobosnioys toy Karatzits kai toy Mlantits. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean protiqeste na dwsete sth dhmosiothta oti xartia exete gia th qliberh ayth ypoqesh h ean qa prepei na perimenoyme th dhmosiopoihsh ths ekqeshs apo toys Ollandoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Tetoio qema den yparxei.

MIXAS: Ti qelete na peite; Den exei ginei ayto h den to gnwrizete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei ginei kati tetoio. Safws. Den exoyme ejoplisei kanenan.

MIXAS: Ayto to anaferei h ekqesh twn Ollandwn empeirognwmonwn, me arxeia toy NATO kai twn mystikwn yphresiwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw.

MIXAS: Sas to lew egw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den amfibalw gi ayto poy lete. Aplws, lew oti den gnwrizw ti anaferei h ekqesh kapoioy empeirognwmona. Ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti den exei ginei kanena tetoio qema apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh h apo kapoia antistoixh ellhnikh dhmosia yphresia. Ayto qelw na to jekaqarisoyme. Bebaiws, otan erqei h wra, qa apanthsoyme pio sygkekrimena.

MIXAHL: Qa epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema kai qa sas rwthsw, ti exete na apanthsete se kritikes poy akoygontai kai apo stelexh toy PASOK, me aformh th xqesinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oti poly kala ekane o k. Zospen kai paraithqhke. Mporei o k. Shmiths na mhn einai o Zospen ths Gallias, alla fainetai oti o k. Zospen einai o Shmiths ths Gallias. To eipe xarakthristika o k. Pagkalos. Den qelw na moy apanthsete epi toys sygkekrimenoy toy k. Pagkaloy, profanws qa moy apanthsete oti den sxoliazete dhlwseis stelexwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: To jerete.

MIXAHL: Nai, alla yparxei mia genikeymenh kritikh pia poy jefeygei toy epipedoy kaqe stelexoys proswpika...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti einai etsi. Prwton, shmera diabasa polles kai endiaferoyses apoceis apo stelexh toy PASOK, me th morfh arqrwn, synenteyjewn, dhlwsewn. Einai oles oi apoceis endiaferoyses. Ginontai kai protaseis. Pisteyw oti ola ayta apoteloyn bash gia ajiopoihsh apo to komma. Ejalloy, prokeitai ayrio na synedriasei to E.G. Oles aytes oi dhmosieymenes apoceis pisteyw oti qa ajiopoihqoyn kata th syzhthsh sto E.G., prokeimenoy na ermhneyqoyn swsta ta politika symperasmata kai na xaraxqoyn oi dikes mas parapera kinhseis. An me rwtate gia th xqesinh ermhneia poy doqhke stis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, na sas apanthsw. O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se mia prajh toy k. Zospen, se sxesh me ta apotelesmata twn gallikwn eklogwn, poy krinotan kai o idios o k. Zospen, ws ypochfios Proedros. O k. Shmiths eipe oti poly kala ekane kai paraithqhke o k. Zospen kai edwse mia apanthsh poy apodeiknyei oti den eimaste oloi idioi. Kai ayth einai mia sygkekrimenh apanthsh apenanti se epiqeseis, apenanti se isopedwtikes logikes kai antilhceis, oi opoies kallierghqhkan kai sth Gallia, olh ayth thn periodo. Einai terastio laqos na prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei kaneis parallhles ermhneies kai na bgalei symperasmata, les kai oi proedrikes ekloges ths Gallias, exoyn kapoia omoiothta me tis nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges sthn Ellada, opoy einai teleiws diaforetiko to diakybeyma, opoy krinontai teleiws diaforetika pragmata kai opoy kai ta proswpa poy qa einai ypochfia, ta opoia kai qa kriqoyn allwste, einai oi ypochfioi dhmarxoi kai nomarxes poy qa yphrethsoyn thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Den epidexontai kanena parallhlismo ta dyo ayta zhthmata kai den mporoyme na ejagoyme ayqaireta symperasmata.

SOYGLERHS: Afoy, loipon, den eimaste idioi, giati tetoia anhsyxia, dyo hmeres twra kai apo ta MME kai apo tis politikes ejoysies kai apo ta kommata se aytes tis ekloges. Ti akribws symbainei; Kata thn ektimhsh ths kybernhshs apo ti jekina ayth h anhsyxia kai h diastash poy doqhke;

PRWTOPAPAS: H anhsyxia den syzhthqhke mono sthn Ellada. Qa exete prosejei ean exete diabasei tis agglikes, tis italikes, tis germanikes, tis ispanikes efhmerides, opws kai alla dieqnh entypa, oti yphrje sobaros problhmatismos apo to apotelesma twn proedrikwn eklogwn sth Gallia, mia idiaitera shmantikh xwra ths E.E., poy deixnei oti ena akrodejio komma enisxyetai. Einai apeilh h akrodejia gia tis Dhmokraties, einai apeilh gia thn koinwnikh synoxh kaqe xwras, apotelei apeilh gia thn eyrwpaikh poreia. O k. Lepen dhlwse xqes oti ean eklegei -poy eyxomaste kai ektimoyme pws den qa eklegei- qa bgalei th Gallia apo thn Eyrwph. Ayth h dhlwsh den qa sxoliastei apo tis eyrwpaikes koinwnies kai apo toys eyrwpaioys politikoys;

SOYGLERHS: Milhsa gia thn anhsyxia. Yparxei anhsyxia; Den milhsa gia tis ejelijeis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto sxoliazetai. Den yparxei kamia anhsyxia. Yparxei mia ejelijh. Dhladh, otan ena ratsistiko kai jenofobiko komma, emfanizetai se mia idiaitera shmantikh xwra, opws einai h Gallia, na exei mia tetoia paroysia, den qa sxoliastei; Otan enas politikos poy metexei sto deytero gyro twn proedrikwn eklogwn, leei oti qa bgoyme apo thn Eyrwph, ayto den qa sxoliastei; Alimono.

MPEKATWROY: Sxetika me thn episkech toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy sth Mesh Anatolh kai me dedomeno oti h episkech toy k. Paoyel sthn idia perioxh oysiastika apetyxe, ti perimenete na apokomisete apo ayth thn episkech;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei me prohgoymenh dhlwsh moy oti einai mia shmantikh prwtoboylia, exei to diko ths symbolismo. Einai se synexeia allwn prwtoboyliwn, poy exoyn analhfqei apo th Dieqnh Koinothta. Krinw idiaitera shmantikh ayth thn prwtoboylia, giati exei analhfqei apo dyo xwres poy mexri protinos eixan sobarh antipalothta kai twra exoyn kanei terastia bhmata sthn kateyqynsh ths filias, ths omalothtas kai ths synergasias. Jerete, polles fores ta apotelesmata eperxontai baqmiaia kai stadiaka den ginontai me aytomatismoys.

PITTARAS: H E.E. zhta apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh thn epistrofh enos disekatommyrioy eyrw gia kakodiaxeirish porwn apo to 1996 ews to 2000;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epikoinwnhsa me ton k. Paxta kai apo o,ti moy eipe den yparxei tetoio qema, toylaxiston gia ta erga toy Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs. Synhqws, epistrofes ginontai, oxi bebaiws ayths ths ektashs, meta apo elegxoys stis gewrgikes epidothseis, opoy diapistwnetai oti kati den phge symfwna me toys koinotikoys oroys. Alla, ayth th stigmh poy milame, den yparxei kapoia diatypwsh apo thn Koinothta gia erga h gia kati allo poy afora to B` K.P.S.

SOYGLERHS: Yparxei skech sthn kybernhsh gia ektakta metra gia ta symptwmata ths iogenoys myokarditidas poy paroysiasthkan sth xwra mas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo thn prwth stigmh poy arxise ayth h syzhthsh, yphrje energopoihsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai toy Kentroy Eidikwn Loimwjewn. Tonizw oti apo thn prwth stigmh yphrje plhrhs syntonismos kai synergasia me tis ygeionomikes yphresies olhs ths xwras. Exei energopoihqei to diktyo epixeirhshs twn epidhmiologikwn fainomenwn kai elegxontai anellipws ola ta sxetika peristatika gyrw apo ta opoia yparxoyn ypocies. Se oles aytes tis periptwseis ginontai elegxoi, dioti parapempontai sta eidika ergasthria. Yparxei synexhs parakoloyqhsh apo to Kentro Eidikwn Loimwjewn, se plhrh syntonismo me tis ygeionomikes yphresies olhs ths xwras. Qelw na jekaqarisw oti, apo thn prwth stigmh, energopoihqhkame apolyta mesa apo tis armodies yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai toy KEL sthn kateyqynsh ths ereynas kai toy elegxoy. Den yparxei kanena peristatiko poy na mhn ereynatai se baqos kai na mhn apostellontai ta deigmata sta eidika ergasthria, ta opoia einai megaloy kyroys. Den yparxei kanenas logos anhsyxias. Yparxei diarkhs enhmerwsh apo toys episthmones -mia tetoia enhmerwsh qa ginei kai shmera to brady- kai plhrhs egrhgorsh se oles tis armodies yphresies.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pantws, yparxei diastash apocewn, an einai epidhmia h oxi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eimai o eidikos gia na diapistwsei kati tetoio. Ekeino poy qelw na pw, omws, einai oti to Kentro Eidikwn Loimwjewn einai se plhrh etoimothta kai epafh me tis ygeionomikes yphresies, ereyna oles tis periptwseis. Exoyn energopoihqei oles oi yphresies kai stelnoyn ta deigmata se eidika episthmonika ergasthria dieqnoys kyroys poy exoyme sthn Ellada kai oi eidikoi mas enhmerwnoyn synexws. Apo ekei kai pera, den eimaste emeis aytoi poy qa dwsoyme to xarakthrismo, ayth th stigmh. Ekeino, omws, poy qelw na jekaqarisw einai oti den yparxei logos anhsyxias. Parakoloyqoyntai apo konta oles aytes oi periptwseis.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Shmera, einai h epishmh prwth synedriash ths neas epikoinwniakhs omadas, sto Megaro Majimoy. Qelete na mas peite kapoia pragmata gi` ayth th syskech;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ena qema gia to opoio den xreiazontai oyte idiaiteres dhlwseis, oyte idiaiteres syzhthseis. Exoyme jekaqarisei apo thn prwth stigmh oti qa yparxei enas eniaios politikos kai epikoinwniakos sxediasmos. Arxizoyn shmera oi syzhthseis kai qa yparxoyn taktikes synanthseis se ayto to epiteleio. Einai ayto poy eixe ejaggelqei apo thn prwth wra, apo to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs K. Laliwth.

MPOTWNHS: Dhlwseis qa ginontai meta;

PRWTOPAPAS: To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na leitoyrghsei o kaqenas opws prepei, na katanohsoyme oloi oti ayta ta zhthmata exoyn na kanoyn me thn politikh kai to sxediasmo ths, opws kai me thn epikoinwnia mas kai den exoyn na kanoyn me qemata koytsompolioy h parapolitikhs. Prepei na to prosejoyme idiaitera ayto. Bebaiws, mporw, xaritologwntas, na pw oti, gia paradeigma, ena apo ta zhthmata poy qa mas apasxolhsei einai na diapistwsoyme kai na mhn epanalaboyme piqana epikoinwniaka laqh poy exoyn ginei stis proeklogikes ekstrateies se alles xwres.

Sas eyxaristw.

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