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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Aprilioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Eisagwgikws, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw gia dyo qemata:

Prwton, einai gnwsta ta xqesina apotelesmata sth Gallia. Bebaiws den exoyme kamia proqesh na paremboyme sta eswterika mias allhs xwras, omws pisteyw oti oloi oi Eyrwpaioi polites einai sygklonismenoi apo thn emfanish kai thn anodo ths akrodejias sth xwra ayth. Mias akrodejias poy xrhsimopoiei ratsistika, ypersynthrhtika, jenofoba synqhmata kai bebaiws, kata thn krish pollwn kai politikwn exei kai fasizoyses antilhceis. Epeidh, tetoia fainomena me anodo akrodejiwn antilhcewn exoyn emfanistei kai se alles eyrwpaikes xwres, opws sthn Aystria, exoyn paroysiastei entona fainomena jenofobias kai ratsismoy kai sth Dania kai katagrafontai, qa elega, sta apotelesmata eklogwn kai se alles xwres kai me dedomeno oti kai sthn Ellada xqes eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas mia dhmoskophsh, sthn opoia anaferetai oti ena poly megalo meros twn Ellhnwn politwn kai idiaitera twn chfoforwn ths N.D. pisteyoyn oti dhqen h xoynta ekane kalo sthn Ellada, ofeiloyme oloi, oles oi politikes dynameis toy topoy na paroyn mia safh qesh apenanti se ayta ta fainomena.

H akrodejia den mporei na einai to mellon. Den mporei na einai to mellon ths Eyrwphs. H akrodejia einai kindynos gia th dhmokratia, einai kindynos gia mia koinwnia synoxhs, einai kindynos gia thn eyrwpaikh poreia kaqe xwras. Kai se ayto ofeiloyme oloi na topoqethqoyme me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo.

Deyteron, shmera to apogeyma qa katateqei sth Boylh to nomosxedio toy ypoyrgeioy mas gia to asymbibasto metajy basikoy metoxoy radiothleoptikoy Mesoy kai efhmeridas kai epixeirhmatia poy synallassetai me to Dhmosio. Stis diadikasies ths Boylhs qa syzhthqei amesws meta to Pasxa. To teliko sxedio nomoy proekyce meta apo polles parathrhseis kai protaseis poy htan to apotelesma enos ploysioy dialogoy.

Amesws meta thn oloklhrwsh ths nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias gia to asymbibasto, qa proxwrhsoyme sth diadikasia toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos poy qa afora ton Kwdika Deontologias enhmerwtikwn, politikwn kai eidhseografikwn ekpompwn.

Meta thn apostolh toy P.D. sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias gia thn problepomenh apo to nomo epejergasia, qa anoijei to qema ths dhmioyrgias toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy gia tis dhmoskophseis kai metrhseis. Qa katartisoyme ena sygxrono nomoqetiko plaisio, me th gnwmh kai twn armodiwn, to opoio qa mas dwsei th dynatothta na enisxysoyme thn ajiopistia twn dhmoskophsewn kai na mh ginetai ayto poy egine, gia paradeigma, thn perasmenh Kyriakh, otan proanaggelqhke apo th N.D. se oles tis efhmerides to apotelesma dhmoskophshs, oktw hmeres prin doqei epishma sth dhmosiothta. Me ayto ton tropo eytelizontai aytes oi diadikasies. Oloi, pisteyw, qeloyn ena swsto nomoqetiko plaisio gia tis metrhseis, wste na mhn egeirontai aytes oi enstaseis poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas teleytaia. Na exoyme ena jekaqaro plaisio kai na einai oloi hsyxoi oti ginetai swsta h opoiadhpote metrhsh.

Na sas enhmerwsw, twra, gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis epomenes hmeres:

Stis 11.30 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn Kwsta Skandalidh kai milhsan gia thn proetoimasia ths ayrianhs episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs. Stis 12 to meshmeri, dexqhke epitroph antistasiakwn gia thn anadeijh ths Gyaroy se topo mnhmhs. Stis 12.30 arxise h synedriash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs gia thn proetoimasia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

Ayrio, stis 10.30 to prwi, qa episkefqei, opws sas eipa, to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, opoy qa exei synergasia me thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy kai akoloyqws qa ginoyn dhlwseis kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo ton ypoyrgo gia to pragmatika shmantiko ergo kai ton programmatismo toy ypoyrgeioy. Stis 7 to apogeyma, qa synedriasei gia prwth fora, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Megaro Majimoy, to epiteleio gia ton politiko kai epikoinwniako sxediasmo mas.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh. Stis 11 h wra qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn Dhmhtrh Reppa kai stis 13.30 qa dexqei ton k. Loyka Papadhmo, o opoios ws gnwston exei epilegei gia Antiproedros ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas kai se liges hmeres qa ginei h sxetikh diadikasia gnwmodothshs toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy. Stis 14.00, qa synanthqei me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth kai stis 7 to apogeyma qa synedriasei to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy Kinhmatos, me antikeimeno tis trexoyses politikes ejelijeis.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me qema tis politikes apasxolhshs.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai Pronoias, me epikefalhs ton ypoyrgo Aleko Papadopoylo kai qa syzhthqoyn qemata ygeias. Stis 11.30, qa synanthqei me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas Gianno Papantwnioy kai stis 12.15 qa dexqei ton ypodioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados k. Qwmopoylo, meta apo aithma toy teleytaioy.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Den prepei, loipon, na einai to mellon ths Eyrwphs h akrodejia, h opoia opws eipate einai kai kindynos gia th synoxh ths koinwnias. Oi kybernhseis ti kanete gia na mhn anebainei h akrodejia kai o kaqe Lepen; Dioti apo o,ti eidame apo tis gallikes ekloges, o Lepen den anebhke giati htan pio ejypnos h ekane kalyteres protaseis apo toys alloys, apodokimasan tis prohgoymenes politikes toy Zospen kai toy Sirak stis qeseis ths Proedrias. Eseis ti kanete etsi wste na mhn exoyme tetoia fainomena;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me aformh thn erwthsh sas, qelw na epishmanw tria shmeia, sta opoia h kybernhsh mas prowqei thn politikh ths:

Ena qema me to opoio apanta kaneis se tetoia fainomena, se olh thn Eyrwph kai sth xwra mas, einai h prowqhsh toy ergoy mas kai idiaitera twn shmeiwn poy aforoyn ton aplo polith, ton ellhniko lao. H aisqhsh ths apotelesmatikothtas, h aisqhsh ths proodoy kai ths aisiodojias sthn oikonomia, h aisqhsh ths koinwnikhs prostasias, h aisqhsh ths asfaleias einai megala zhthmata poy prowqoyme, einai oi dikes mas apanthseis apenanti sto fobo poy prospaqei na kallierghsei h akrodejia.

To deytero zhthma exei na kanei me thn Aristera. Eidate tis synepeies ths diaspashs ths Aristeras sth Gallia. Einai anagkaio, loipon, na diatypwqei enas neos sygxronos logos ths Eyrwaristeras. Einai anagkaio to Eyrwpaiko Sosialistiko Komma na dei th diatypwsh toy dikoy toy logoy, ths dikhs toy politikhs protashs, toy programmatikoy toy logoy gia tis sygxrones ejelijeis.

To trito shmeio -kai ayto afora oloys mas, oles tis politikes dynameis kai sthn patrida mas- einai oti qa prepei na mhn ypotimoyme sto logo mas, stis praktikes mas kai sth nootropia mas thn idiaitera arnhtikh shmasia isopedwtikwn antilhcewn kai energeiwn poy odhgoyn se genikeymena fainomena apajiwshs kai fqoras ths politikhs. Logikes poy, enw leipei o programmatikos logos kai h protash, odhgoyn se fainomena apajiwshs twn pantwn -kai idiaitera ths politikhs kai twn politikwn- dhmioyrgoyn to ideologiko ypostrwma panw sto opoio anaptyssontai akrodejies antilhceis. Kai ayto afora oloys mas, prepei na to prosejoyme oloi mas kai idiaitera ekeinoi poy to kalliergoyn.

MOYRTZHS: Den eixame anodo mono toy Lepen, eixame kai ptwsh toy Zospen. Qa hqela na maqw pws ejhgeitai ayto to fainomeno kai ean exete melethsei plhrofories gia thn koinwnikh diastrwmatwsh twn chfoforwn poy katachfisan ton Zospen kai chfisan Lepen;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na qymisw oti h koinwnikh diastrwmatwsh twn chfoforwn poy chfisan Lepen proerxetai apo tis ereynes poy exoyn ginei apo polloys xwroys. Einai, omws, strwmata toy laoy poy qa elega oti -opws oi idioi dhlwnoyn stis dhmoskophseis- aisqanontai anasfaleia, fobo kai abebaiothta mprosta se aytes tis synqhkes. Kai otan exei dhmioyrghqei ena ypostrwma fqoras kai apajiwshs twn pantwn me eyqynh pollwn, o laikismos briskei eyhkoa wta. Ayto, bebaiws, den einai qetiko kai prepei na to antimetwpisoyme.

STEFOS: Epeidh, prohgoymenws, anaferate oti tetoia fainomena exoyn emfanistei kai alloy sthn Eyrwph, opws sthn Aystria kai th Dania kai epikalesthkame kai mia dhmoskophsh, sthn opoia emfanizetai ena megalo meros toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy na leei oti h xoynta ekane kalo, qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean ektimate oti kai sthn Ellada mporei na yparxei epektash aytoy toy fainomenoy; Kai ena deytero, eipate oti oi politikes dynameis prepei na paroyn safh qesh. Dhladh, kaleite kai th Nea Dhmokratia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oles tis politikes dynameis poy pisteyoyn sth dhmokratia mas kai to politiko systhma mas. Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na tonisw oti ola ayta ta zhthmata ta ajiologoyme. To kyrio zhthma einai na metatrepeis to problhma se pleonekthma kai na apantas sthn anhsyxia me th doyleia soy. Na dhmioyrgeis aisiodojia kai prooptikh. Kai ayto kanoyme kai qa kanoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, an parei h N.D. tis ekloges kindyneyei h dhmokratia sthn Ellada;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai aytonohth h apanthsh sto erwthma sas. Taytizete th N.D. me ton Lepen; Elpizw, oxi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den thn taytizw egw, eseis thn taytisate kai eipate oti kapoioi sth dhmoskophsh ths N.D. to eipan. To eipate h den to eipate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Koitajte kala thn apanthsh moy. Den akoysate kala thn apanthsh moy. Epeidh, piqanws na exete paranohsei kai gia na sas dieykolynw sas lew oti anaferqhka sto oti symfwna me th dhmoskophsh ena poly megalo meros twn chfoforwn ths N.D. -ean prosqesei kaneis kai to "den jerw, den apantw" einai panw apo to miso- emfanizetai na mh dhlwnei sth dhmoskophsh, gia na to parw anapoda, oti h xoynta den ekane kako sthn Ellada. Ayto einai prwtofanes. Ayto einai pros problhmatismo gia oloys mas kai idiaitera fysika gia to komma poy emfanizontai oi chfoforoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai to syndeete me ton Lepen, omws.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa gia ena fainomeno poy emfanizetai kai prepei na apasxolhsei olo ton politiko kosmo. Kai an qelete, poly swsta egine h erwthsh apo to synadelfo sas, oti kai h N.D. prepei na topoqethqei mprosta se ola ayta. Giati h N.D. einai ena komma poy brisketai mesa sto politiko, dhmokratiko mas systhma.

ARGYROS: Thn energeia na paraithqei o k. Zospen pws ti sxoliazete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Moy zhtate na topoqethqw sta eswterika ths gallikhs politikhs. Den qa to kanw. Milhsa genika gia ta politika symperasmata, giati h Ellada den einai jekommenh apo thn Eyrwph, yfistatai oles tis synepeies ths eyrwpaikhs politikhs. Ekana kapoies genikes politikes anafores kai den epiqymw na anaferqw se proswpa kai politikoys toys opoioys sebomai kai ektimw, idiaitera ton k. Zospen, poy einai, omws, se ena allo kratos. Ayta qa ta poyme me allh idiothta kai se allh syzhthsh.

TAKHS: Epeidh, ektos apo thn Gallia eixame xqes ekloges kai sth Germania kai sygkekrimena sth Sajonia, opoy ki ekei eidame mia ypoxwrhsh twn sosialistwn yper twn xristianodhmokratwn, qewreite, opws kapoioi lene, oti yparxei ypoxwrhsh ths sosialdhmokratias sthn Eyrwph kai epikrathsh ths kentrodejias h twn xristianodhmokratwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws eidame apo ta apotelesmata sthn pleiochfia paramenoyn oi dynameis ths Kentroaristeras kai se ayto to kratidio. Ean melethsete prosektika to apotelesma, qa deite oti yparxei h anagkh mias anasynqeshs kai enos sygxronoy logoy ths Aristeras kai Kentroaristeras, paroti kai se ayth thn periptwsh aqroistika oi dynameis aytes paramenoyn ws pleiochfiko reyma.

KARGOYDH: Me aformh oti epanerxetai, meta kai apo tis ekloges sth Gallia, to zhthma ths asfaleias, stis prwtes proteraiothtes twn eyrwpaikwn kybernhsewn, hqela na rwthsw ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh ektima to epeisodio poy synebh sthn Alejandras, dhladh, to gegonos oti kapoioi erijan kapnogona se meso mazikhs metaforas. Einai ena fainomeno allhs tajhs apo ta prohgoymena metajy xoyligkans kai ti skopeyete na kanete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qigete ena poly sobaro zhthma. To qema ths asfaleias twn politwn. Prepei na pw oti h doyleia mas se ayto ton tomea einai idiaitera shmantikh kai exei apodwsei karpoys. Symfwna me ta stoixeia poy exoyme yparxei @kai to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs exei anaferqei epaneilhmmena se ayta- mia sobarh meiwsh ths egklhmatikothtas sthn Ellada ta teleytaia xronia, poy anerxetai sto 25%. Exoyme doylecei shmantika gia thn asfaleia toy Ellhna polith. Dexqhkame kai ena kyma, prin apo merika xronia, ekatontadwn xiliadwn laqrometanastwn. Htan fysiko, mesa se aytes tis synqhkes na anaptyxqoyn kai kapoia tetoia stoixeia. Phrame, omws, metra. Egine h prwth diadikasia ths leykhs kai prasinhs kartas. Egine h deyterh diadikasia twn dhlwsewn kai ths nomimopoihshs. Lhfqhkan metra apo thn Astynomia. Xarh se olo ayto to plegma twn politikwn exoyn fqasei kai aytoi oi anqrwpoi na einai ektos ths gkrizas zwnhs ths koinwnias kai na entassontai ston paragwgiko isto kai kormo ths koinwnias mas. Panta ta parakoloyqoyme ayta kai panta anhsyxoyme gia thn asfaleia twn politwn, poy einai prwth proteraiothta mas. Ayto poy qelw na pw einai oti exoyme doylecei kai synexizoyme idiaitera sobara kai apodotika se ayto ton tomea.

KARGOYDH: Egw den jerw ean htan metanastes aytoi oi anqrwpoi...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa ayto. Anefera oti yphrje mia anodos ths egklhmatikothtas kai ayth th stigmh yparxei mia sobarh meiwsh ths, xarh se oles tis politikes poy efarmosthkan. Den jexwrizw kanenan ayth th stigmh o opoios zei monima sthn Ellada. O nomos einai isos gia oloys.

KOYIN: H prasinh karta, dhladh, exei symbalei sth meiwsh ths egklhmatikothtas kata 25% ;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti ola ta metra poy lhfqhkan, opws h beltiwsh ths astynomeyshs, h diadikasia nomimopoihshs ths laqrometanasteyshs kai mia seira allwn metrwn, exoyn symbalei shmantika sto na exei meiwqei h egklhmatikothta sthn Ellada. Gia paradeigma, sas anaferw oti prin apo eji-epta xronia yphrxan 500.000 anqrwpoi poy den jerame poioi einai kai apo poy. Mporoyse, loipon, o opoiosdhpote Ellhnas se synergasia me kapoion allon na dhmioyrgei tetoies kinhseis kai den yphrxe kanena stoixeio. Apo th stigmh poy ola ayta katagrafhkan kai mphke mia tajh exei dieykolynqei kai to ergo twn Arxwn. Ayto afora oloys osoi zoyn monima sthn Ellada, eite einai Ellhnes, eite metanastes, den kanw diaxwrismo. Milhsa gia mia seira metrwn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Giati sto erwthma ths kas Kargoydh syndesate to qema ths asfaleias me mia pleyra ths poy einai h laqrometanasteysh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanete laqos. To synedesa me oles tis pleyres kai ean xreiazetai qa sas to dieykrinisw. Aplws, tonisa oti yphrje ena peristasiako anebasma tetoiwn stoixeiwn, dioti otan ginetai mia jafnikh paroysia sthn Ellada 500.000 anqrwpwn, yparxoyn metajy aytwn kai merikoi poy prospaqoyn na ekmetalleyqoyn thn katastash.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Anarwtiemai giati protassete ayto to fainomeno kai oxi to fainomeno oti to @ toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy zei katw apo ta oria ths ftwxeias.

PRWTOPAPAS: H katastash se sxesh me toys deiktes koinwnikhs prostasias kai anaptyjhs sthn Ellada einai beltiwmenh sygkritika me to parelqon. Mporw na sas dwsw toys deiktes koinwnikhs prostasias sthn Ellada, gia na deite thn ejelijh toys ta teleytaia xronia. Emeis etsi exoyme maqei na doyleyoyme. Oxi na diapistwnoyme, opws kanoyn orismenoi, ta noymera kai ta pososta, alla na allazoyme me th doyleia mas ta pososta. Giati den einai qema ariqmwn, einai qema anqrwpwn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Exete ypoch sas oti h basikh proeklogikh taktikh, thn opoia akoloyqhse o Zospen einai h anadeijh aytwn twn deiktwn poy anaferate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa krinw thn proeklogikh taktikh toy Zospen. Qa mporoysa na pw polla gia to Zospen, gia paradeigma, thn tolmh me thn opoia epixeirhse thn tomh gia to 35wro, poy orismenoi speysame na xairethsoyme. Bazw kai ton eayto moy mesa, alla bazw ki esas. Apo kei kai pera, qa prepei na jekaqarisoyme oti den einai to qema na krinoyme tis taktikes twn allwn, to qema einai na doyme ti kanoyme emeis. Kai gia mena den einai ariqmoi. Otan milame gia deiktes koinwnikhs prostasias poy beltiwnontai, qeloyme na deijoyme oti h koinwnikh prostasia, oi paroxes kai h merimna toy kratoys phgan poly kalytera. Einai synanqrwpoi mas, einai polites ayths ths xwras h anqrwpoi poy katoikoyn se ayth th xwra. Den kanoyme diaxwrismoys.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Anaferqhkate sthn anagkh na paroyn oloi qesh, milaw gia thn eswterikh politikh ths xwras. Exete amfibolies gia tis politikes dynameis ths xwras gia to pws stekontai apenanti sto fainomeno toy fasismoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa protimoysa ayth th stigmh na paroyn oloi qesh kai na mhn bgalw egw symperasmata. Ta symperasmata na bgoyn apo th dikh toys topoqethsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh anaferqhkate sth xqesinh dhmoskophsh kai sygkekrimena sto 35% twn apanthsewn poy edwsan oi chfoforoi ths N.D., eseis analambanete thn eyqynh gia to gegonos oti to 25% twn erwthqentwn chfoforwn toy PASOK deixnei mia antistoixh stash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den diabasate kala th dhmoskophsh. Qa eidate poly kala oti oi diaforopoihseis h oi analoges topoqethseis metajy PASOK kai N.D. einai peripoy 1 pros 5. Antilambaneste oti den mporei na taytizoyme ta dyo noymera h ta pososta. Poly piqanon ean eixame kai ta pososta gia alla kommata, na ebgaine kati analogo. Loipon, to 1 pros 5 einai mia terastia diafora, poy dhmioyrgei poiotikh diafora se zhthmata symperiforas. Egw to xarakthrizw poiotikh diafora, den einai posotikh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Sthn 10etia toy 1990 yphrxan polla xamogela ek meroys ths paratajhs sas gia to gegonos oti 13 apo tis 15 kybernhseis sthn E.E. htan kentroaristeres. Se oles sxedon tis xwres, mia 10etia meta exoyme stoixeia h estw stagonidia, antistoixa aytoy poy eidame sth Gallia. Qewreite tyxaio to fainomeno;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanena fainomeno den einai tyxaio, se ayto symfwnw mazi sas. To qema einai oti ola ayta ta fainomena prepei na ta analysoyme. Epishmana tria zhthmata, poy mporeis na apanthseis, giati to qema den einai mono na analyeis, alla na diamorfwneis to skhniko. Emeis ayto kanoyme kai dinoyme peistikes apanthseis panw sta problhmata. Anaferqhka se treis ajones:

Prwtos ajonas: Peistikes apanthseis me thn apotelesmatikothta ths doyleias mas sthn asfaleia twn politwn, sthn aisiodojia toys gia thn poreia ths oikonomias kai ths apasxolhshs toys kai beltiwsh ths koinwnikhs prostasias.

Deyteros ajonas: Exei na kanei me ton ayriano rolo ths Aristeras poy emas mas endiaferei idiaitera. H polydiaspash den odhgei poyqena. Ekeino poy xreiazetai einai h diatypwsh toy neoy, sygxronoy kai eyrwpaikoy ths logoy.

Tritos ajonas: Prepei oloi na antimetwpizoyme, ola ta dhmokratika kommata, ta fainomena toy isopedwtikoy logoy kai twn prospaqeiwn apajiwshs kai fqoras kai ths politikhs kai twn qesmwn. Tetoia fainomena, tetoia stash apenanti sta dhmosia pragmata ths xwras, tetoies nootropies kai praktikes dhmioyrgoyn to ideologiko ypostrwma panw sto opoio anaptyssontai akrodejies antilhceis. Ayto afora olo ton politiko kosmo poy prepei na antidrasei periorizontas tetoies symperifores, giati einai h eykolh lysh sthn opoia kai katafeygei merikes fores ena tmhma toy. To ekane kai sth Gallia, to kanei kai edw. Telos, epishmana to giati kai to poy odhgoyn ayta ta fainomena.

KWNSTANTHS: Epeidh milame gi` ayth th dhmoskophsh ths Cappa Reserch kai einai h pempth h h ekth fora to teleytaio diasthma opoy to komma sas ypoleipetai ths N.D. enos shmantikoy posostoy poy jeperna pleon se aytes tis dhmoskophseis to 7%, sas problhmatizei ayto to gegonos kai an fobaste oti qa pagiwqei ayth h diafora poy qa einai mh anastrecimh; Epishs, pws sxoliazete dhlwseis koryfaiwn stelexwn toy kommatos sas, toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy kai toy k. Pagkaloy, oi opoioi se synenteyjeis toys blepoyn ejelijeis sto kybernwn komma, ejaitias kai aytwn twn dhmoskophsewn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas synistoysa orismenes apo aytes tis synenteyjeis na tis diabasete prosektika. Dioti, kamia fora, mesa sth biasynh mas, odhgoymaste se lanqasmena symperasmata gyrw apo to ti qelei na pei to kaqe stelexos. Den qelw na sxoliasw, alla qelw na sas parakalesw orismenes apo aytes tis synenteyjeis na tis diabasete pali prosektika gia na deite oti symperasmata poy bghkan apo thn prwth anagnwsh den einai swsta. Oson afora tis dhmoskophseis, exw apo xqes topoqethqei. Ekeino poy den qa kanoyme -kai qa arnoymaste peismatika na to kanoyme- einai na trexoyme pisw apo dhmoskophseis. Tis ajiologoyme, tis prosexoyme, ejagoyme politika symperasmata, kaqe dhmoskophsh exei th dikh ths ajia. Gnwrizoyme, omws, poy eimaste, gnwrizoyme th fash poy pername. Gnwrizoyme oti o ellhnikos laos exei problhmata kai mas kanei kritikh. Se kaqe, omws, periptwsh apo emas perimenei. Den empisteyetai th N.D. Ara, einai monodromos. Me to ergo mas, th doyleia mas, thn apotelesmatikothta mas, qa anastrecoyme thn eikona.

KWNSTANTHS: Epeidh ta stelexh ayta synartoyn tis opoies ejelijeis kai apo aytes tis megales diafores poy katagrafontai stis dhmoskophseis, den moy apanthsate, ean fobaste pagiwsh ayths ths diaforas...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti me th doyleia mas, ean einai qetikh, diamorfwnoyme qetika. An oxi, diamorfwnoyme arnhtika. Oi dhmoskophseis den exoyn pesei me alejiptwto apo ton oyrano. Emeis qa diamorfwsoyme to klima qetika me th doyleia mas.

TAKHS: Se mia dikh sas synenteyjh shmera sto "EQNOS", xrhsimopoieite mia frash kai lete "apoqanetw h cyxh moy meta twn allo filwn". Ayto einai mia proeidopoihsh pros to eswteriko toy PASOK kai stis gkrinies poy exoyn ekdhlwqei to teleytaio diasthma; Giati, lete oti den qa epikrathsei to "swzwn eayton swqeito", alla "apoqanetw h cyxh moy, meta twn allo filwn" Ayth h frash afora to eswteriko toy PASOK, etsi den einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Aplws kanw ena sxolio sto "swzwn eaytw swqeito" poy moy eipe o synadelfos sas. Ekeinh thn wra miloysa genika kai ekana mia analysh gia to poy odhgoyn fainomena httopaqeias. Eipa, loipon, oti se periptwsh fainomenwn httopaqeias, den efarmozetai to rhto "o swzwn eaytw swqeito", alla to rhto "apoqanetw h cyxh moy meta twn allwn filwn". Gi` ayto to logo, oyte prepei, oyte prokeitai na emfanistoyn tetoia fainomena httopaqeias sto xwro mas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ean pragmati xqes sth Gallia "eskase mia politikh bomba", qa symfwneite mazi moy oti kai sthn Aqhna "eskase mia bomba" me tis dhlwseis Solana, sto "BHMA THS KYRIAKHS", opoy dhmioyrgei nea dedomena pleon gia to qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Parembainei, de, kai sto dialogo o k. Solana kai gia prwth fora akoygetai oti sthn E.E. qa entaxqei mono to kommati twn Ellhno-kypriwn, afhnontas anoikto to allo kommati, twn Toyrko-kypriwn, oti qa entaxqei mono toy kai ekeino, dhmioyrgwntas to qema oti yparxoyn dyo krath sthn Kypro -dixotomhsh sthn oysia- kai parembainei kai sto dialogo, yposthrizontas th qesh toy Ntenktas. Einai, de, safes -to gnwrizete kala- oti h apofash toy Elsinki einai safhs kai sygkekrimenh kai einai h prwth fora poy akoygontai ayta ta pragmata, ta opoia ofeilw na sas pw oti sthn Kypro dhmioyrghsan entones antidraseis kai eginan dhlwseis. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na epibebaiwsw, kata ton pio panhgyriko tropo, th qesh mas kai na tonisw oti h qesh ths E.E. einai gia thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Meta tis synanthseis poy eixe o k. Solana kai me ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai ton Ellhna ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, edwse kai mia allh synenteyjh sthn efhmerida "HMERHSIA", opoy ekei tonizei oti oydeis apo thn ellhnikh pleyra toy eqese stis syzhthseis to endexomeno toy "beto" gia th syzhthsh poy afora to agglo-toyrkiko keimeno gia to qema toy eyrwstratoy. Exete sxolio ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ston k. Solana diatypwqhke, me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo, oti den prokeitai na symfwnhsoyme sto keimeno ths agglo-toyrkikhs prwtoboylias h opws alliws legetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ean ta apotelesmata twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn den einai kala gia to PASOK, o k. Shmiths qa akoloyqhsei thn taktikh toy k. Zospen;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anti na kanw thn Pyqia, protimoyme na ergazomaste gia na diamorfwsoyme to apotelesma. Den epiqymoyme na eimaste manteis, oyte na mimhqoyme to "synadelfo" sas ton Kalxa se aytes tis periptwseis. Emeis, ayto poy qeloyme einai na exoyme ena kalo apotelesma kai qa to exoyme stis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges. Den tairiazei sto xwro mas, h syzhthsh gia to ti qa ginei ean kati den paei kala. Sto xwro mas tairiazei h maxh, sthn prwth grammh, wste oi ejelijeis na einai kales.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To kalo apotelesma poio einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Diekdikoyme to synolo twn nomarxiwn ths xwras.

MIXAHL: Na sas rwthsw gia ena allo qema poy proekyce xqes kai eseis to anaferate sthn eisagwgh sas, oti meta thn kataqesh toy nomosxedioy sas sth Boylh, oi epomenes prwtoboylies sas einai to P.D. gia th deontologia kai h prwtoboylia gia tis dhmoskophseis kai tis metrhseis. Gia tis thleoptikes metrhseis, ti exete na peite gia to qema poy egerqh, sxetika me thn amfisbhthsh metrhsewn ths AGB;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei, hdh.

KOYIN: Na epistrecw sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh gia ton k. Solana kai na prosqesw allh mia gia ta ejwterika: O k. Solana eipe thn Paraskeyh se ayto to Synedrio poy egine sth Boyliagmenh, oti qa epiqymoyse kapoia lysh h kapoia proodo sto qema toy eyrwstratoy mexri th Synodo ths Boreioatlantikhs Symmaxias, oso pio grhgora ginetai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai emeis epiqymoyme proodo, oso pio grhgora ginetai. Den eipame pote oti den qeloyme proodo. Alla, na to jekaqarisoyme: Proodos den shmainei na kanoyme ayto poy qelei o k. Solana. Proodos shmainei na ginei kati swsto. Mia swsth sxesh ths E.E. me to NATO, idiaitera sta qemata ths anaptyjhs ths dynamhs taxeias parembashs. Kai mia swsth sxesh exei na kanei kai me tis qeseis poy prowqei h ellhnikh pleyra. Ara, loipon, "nai" sth grhgorh epilysh, alla "nai" kai sth swsth epilysh toy problhmatos.

KOYIN: Thn perasmenh ebdomada eixate xairetisei thn apofash toy Israhl na anagnwrisei to Patriarxeio...

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrje problhma...

KOYIN: Nai, yphrje kapoio problhma. Mhpws mporeite na mas peite, ti akribws exei ginei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Enw yphrxe apofash -yparxoyn dyo organa sto ypoyrgiko symboylio toy Israhl, apo o,ti exw katalabei- toy mikroy organoy, toy mikroy ypoyrgikoy symboylioy na proxwrhsei omala h anagnwrish toy Patriarxh, otan hrqe to qema sthn olomeleia toy ypoyrgikoy symboylioy, yphrje ypanaxwrhsh, h opoia profanws ofeiletai se kapoia zhthmata toy Israhl. Emeis parakoloyqoyme apo poly konta thn ypoqesh kai qa prospaqhsoyme, me oles tis dynameis mas, wste to qema na epilyqei oristika kai grhgora.

KOYIN: Anablhqhke, dhladh h aplws...;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrje ypanaxwrhsh. Dhladh, den epikyrwqhke h apofash.

KAPPOS: Qelw na ypobalw dyo erwthseis: Qa hqela na maqw, poio einai to sxolio ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs panw se dhlwsh toy Toyrkoy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Ismahl Tzem, o opoios oysiastika fainetai oti epiqymei na xrhsimopoihsei ton Ellhna YPEJ san ergaleio, dhladh yparxei epi lejei dhlwsh toy sto CNN, thn opoia na sas diabasw...

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn th diabasete, th gnwrizw. Den yparxei tetoia periptwsh, oyte nomizw oti kati tetoio epiqymei o k. Tzem, oyte qa htan dynato na to epiqymei, alla kai an kapoios to epiqymoyse, den prosferetai o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn gia kati tetoio.

KAPPOS: Na mhn to epiqymei kai na to dhlwnei, einai ligo antifatiko...

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn prosferetai gia kati tetoio. Einai poly safeis oi prwtoboylies poy exei analabei o k. Papandreoy kai ta qetika apotelesmata poy exoyn ferei oi prwtoboylies aytes.

KAPPOS: H deyterh erwthsh moy exei sxesh me ola ta peri akrodejias. Anebasate para poly ton phxh ths ennoias ths asfaleias toy polith, mia ennoia poy einai arketa reysth kai h opoia exoyme dei pws exei ekdhlwqei kai me "skoypes" kai me ... ola ayta ta pragmata. Anarwtiemai, ean sthn prospaqeia na apokroystei h akrodejia, yioqetoyn oi dhmokratikes kybernhseis oysiastika programmatika stoixeia toy akrodejioy logoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sthn topoqethsh poy ekana epi toy qematos, opoy milhsa gia th diadikasia enswmatwshs sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, olwn.

KAPPOS: Kai oi "skoypes", enswmatwsh einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa gia diadikasia enswmatwshs 500.000-600.000 anqrwpwn sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. Kai, bebaiws, kala kaname. Se kamia allh xwra ths Eyrwphs den exei ginei mia diadikasia tetoias eleyqerhs kai xwris oroys, oysiastika, para me mikres proypoqeseis, nomimopoihshs ekatontadwn xiliadwn laqrometanastwn. Kai poly kala kaname, dioti den mporei na exoyme "gkrizes zwnes" sta oria ths koinwnias mas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: To apotelesma sth Gallia me thn anodo twn akrodejiwn kai toy eyrwskeptikismoy, anhsyxei thn kybernhsh se sxesh me th dieyrynsh, dhmioyrgei kapoia emplokh se ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws katalabainete, o Proedros poy qa prokycei apo to apotelesma, den qa exei tetoies antilhceis. Apo o,ti blepw yparxei mia terastia syspeirwsh toy gallikoy kosmoy. Den qelw na thn krinw, alla einai sth swsth kateyqynsh.

ALEJAKHS: Qa qelate na sxoliasete ena dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "TA NEA" poy anaferetai ston kindyno na meinei h Aqhna xwris tram to 2004, me aprobleptes synepeies gia to kykloforiako.

PRWTOPAPAS: Anafereste sta problhmata poy yparxoyn me toys dhmarxoys ...

ALEJAKHS: Kai me thn arxaiologikh yphresia, giati den yparxei periballontikh meleth.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw, gia na mhn yparjei tetoios kindynos, ginetai eidikh syskech shmera, me prwtoboylia ths k. Papandreoy, dioti akribws prepei na ginoyn swsta kai to tram kai oles oi kinhseis dieykolynshs ths kykloforias kai ths epikoinwnias sto Lekanopedio. Bebaiws, pantote me dialogo kai synennohsh me toys topikoys foreis. Gia to logo ayto, gia thn apotelesmatikh prowqhsh twn sxetikwn ergwn, ginontai kai aytes oi syskeceis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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