Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-04-12

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Aprilioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela na kanw eisagwgikws mia dhlwsh.

H kybernhsh, opws kat` epanalhch exei dhlwsei kai o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn N. Xristodoylakhs, qa proxwrhsei apofasistika sth metarryqmish toy forologikoy systhmatos, prokeimenoy na dwsei nea dynamikh sthn anaptyjh kai thn apasxolhsh kai na dhmioyrghsei nea dedomena koinwnikhs synoxhs. H forologikh metarryqmish prepei na eynoei kai na sthrizei toys ergazomenoys, toys syntajioyxoys, tis epixeirhseis, tis nees ependyseis, oles tis dynameis ths paragwghs kai ths dhmioyrgias. H forologikh metarryqmish prepei na symbalei apofasistika sthn katapolemhsh kaqe morfhs forodiafyghs kai na odhghsei sthn antlhsh prosqetwn esodwn apo thn epibarynsh toy "adranoys ploytoy", ths polyteloys katanalwshs, kaqe antiparagwgikhs drasthriothtas.

Stoxos mas einai na dhmioyrghsoyme ena forologiko systhma aplo, diafanes, filiko kai oxi exqriko pros ton polith, ena systhma koinwnika dikaio. Qa proxwrhsoyme amesa se ayth thn kateyqynsh, mesa apo enan anoikto kai eyry dialogo, xwris proapaitoymena kai me th symmetoxh olwn twn paragwgikwn forewn. H kybernhsh, dia toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, exei hdh organwsei th diadikasia toy dialogoy kai exei symfwnhsei pros toyto me toys foreis. Meta thn oloklhrwsh toy dialogoy h kybernhsh qa labei tis apofaseis kai qa ferei to sxetiko sxedio nomoy sth Boylh.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Pantws k. Ypoyrge, ayto poy paroysiase h Epitroph empeirognwmonwn, paroysia toy k. Xristodoylakh, o opoios milhse kai prwtos se ayth thn Epitroph, den htan oyte aplo, oyte forologika dikaio, oyte filiko pros ton polith.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto einai dhlwsh, den einai erwthsh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Den einai dhlwsh. Qelw na sas rwthsw, dioti o k. Xristodoylakhs efere ta pragmata pro tetelesmenwn gegonotwn. Dioti, ayth h protash ths Epitrophs ebale kapoia dedomena. Den perimene oyte kan to dialogo. Poia einai h stash ths kybernhshs; Giati, xqes, o k. Shmiths apodokimase ton k. Xristodoylakh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. O k. Shmiths topoqethqhke, bazontas ta pragmata sthn pragmatikh diastash toys. Pisteyw oti h eisagwgikh dhlwsh moy qetei kai ayth ta pragmata sth swsth kai oloklhrwmenh diastash toys. Qelw na sas epishmanw kati. Anamfibola yphrje mia protash mias Epitrophs empeirognwmonwn, h opoia eixe systaqei peripoy ena xrono prin, apo th stigmh poy milame. Malista, eixe systaqei apo thn prohgoymenh politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy kai kalws systaqhke. H Epitroph ayth twn empeirognwmonwn ergasthke kai ebgale ena sxedio. Se kamia periptwsh to sxedio ayto den ekfrazei eite tis qeseis, eite toys problhmatismoys, eite tis desmeyseis ths kybernhshs. Ayto einai safes. To sxedio ayto periexei tis protaseis ths Epitrophs empeirognwmonwn, poy se kamia periptwsh den desmeyei kai den ekfrazei thn kybernhsh. Exei th dikh toy ajia se sxesh me tis protaseis poy qa ajiologhqoyn apo toys foreis. Ara, loipon, sto dialogo einai ola anoikta, den yparxoyn proapaitoymena, qa erqoyn oles oi apoceis, oi protaseis kai ta sxedia. H qesh ths kybernhshs kai h qelhsh ths katagrafhke, me th dhlwsh poy ekana prin, gia ena koinwniko systhma dikaio poy na sthrizei ton ergazomeno, to syntajioyxo kai tis ygieis ependytikes dynameis aytoy toy topoy. Kai me ayth thn politikh diastash, qa anazhthsoyme mesa apo to dialogo thn kalyterh dynath lysh. Ekei, ola ajiologoyntai, oles oi protaseis qa exoyn to diko toys rolo, giati anamfibola qa einai para polles.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: H paroysia toy k. Xristodoylakh sthn paroysiash toy porismatos ths Epitrophs, poio nohma eixe tote;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Xristodoylakhs aneptyje th filosofia ths kybernhshs -tis genikes arxes ths, bebaiws- gia th metarryqmish toy forologikoy systhmatos. Se mia ekdhlwsh poy eixe ws stoxo na anaptyjei o armodios ypoyrgos tis arxes kai tis kateyqynseis ths kybernhshs, doqhke kai to porisma, xwris kamia ajiologhsh kai xwris kamia politikh dhlwsh. Epaneilhmmena o k. Xristodoylakhs exei dhlwsei oti den desmeyetai apo ayto. Bebaiws, opoiadhpote protash periexetai sto porisma, mporoyn oi foreis na thn ajiologhsoyn. Kaneis den mporei na toys empodisei. Alla, den einai kybernhtikh apoch. Den exei kamia sxesh me apofaseis h desmeyseis h kateyqynseis ths kybernhshs. Periexei seira protasewn kai apocewn empeirognwmonwn poy mporei na ajiologhqoyn apo toys foreis ws stoixeia toy dialogoy.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oi ypoyrgoi poy eqesan ayto to qema ekdhlwsan th dysforia toys, legontas oti epikoinwniaka h kybernhsh kindyneyei kai hdh exei xasei to paixnidi, giati oles aytes oi qeseis perasan ws qeseis ths kybernhshs. Oysiastika memfqhkan ton k. Xristodoylakh, akribws giati den xeiristhke kala to olo zhthma. Ep` aytoy, poio einai to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se ena Ypoyrgiko Symboylio exei dikaiwma o kaqe ypoyrgos na sxoliasei kapoia idiaitera shmantika qemata, apo th stigmh malista poy anoije h syzhthsh gia ta qemata ayta. Den yphrje kanena problhma. Sxoliasthkan kapoia zhthmata, se sxesh me tis entypwseis poy doqhkan kai gi` ayto to logo kriqhke skopimo kai anagkaio na probei o Prwqypoyrgos sth sxetikh dhlwsh, prokeimenoy na arqoyn oi parejhghseis, h entypwsh poy eixe doqei sthn koinh gnwmh oti, dhladh, yparxei kapoio kybernhtiko sxedio poy periexei tetoies protaseis. Mesa se ena kybernhtiko organo o kaqe ypoyrgos ekfrazei thn apoch toy, th gnwmh toy. Ayth einai h oysia ths syllogikothtas twn kybernhtikwn organwn poy odhgei se apofaseis.

IWANNOY: Dhladh, to xeiristhke laqos o k. Xristodoylakhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa ayto, kaqe allo. Eipa oti dhmioyrghqhkan kapoies entypwseis kai aytes lyqhkan me th xqesinh parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Shmera, epeidh isws dhmioyrgoyntai kapoia erwthmatika, kriname anagkaio na kanoyme kai tis sxetikes dhlwseis.

KONTOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh tis dikes ths qeseis kai tis dikes ths epiloges pote sxediazei na tis paroysiasei epishmws;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei. Meta thn oloklhrwsh toy dialogoy.

KONTOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti den qa paei sto dialogo kai aplws qa akoyei.

PRWTOPAPAS: O dialogos -kai ayto einai ena stoixeio poy isws den gnwrizoyn polloi- exei hdh dromologhqei kai oi foreis exoyn orisei toys ekproswpoys toys. Exei organwqei kai me qematiko tropo. Qa ginontai qematikes syzhthseis gia ta diafora kefalaia ths forologikhs metarryqmishs, opoy o kaqe foreas qa ekfrazei thn apoch toy. H kybernhsh den qa exei stis syzhthseis aytes sygkekrimenh eishghsh, dioti epeleje to dromo toy na akoysei. Na akoysei se ena dialogo, me organwmeno tropo kai me ekproswphsh -kata kefalaio- twn koinwnikwn kai paragwgikwn forewn. Qa ginontai ekei oles oi anafores apo toys foreis sta erwthmata poy antikeimenika tiqentai apo ton organwmeno dialogo kai qa syllegontai stoixeia, apanthseis kai ajiologhseis. Oles oi protaseis qa ajiologoyntai. Alles mporei na aporriptontai apo toys foreis, alles na egkrinontai kai alles na tropopoioyntai. Mporei oi foreis na exoyn teleiws diaforetikes protaseis, opws epishs mporei, mesa apo th diadikasia toy dialogoy, na prokycoyn nea stoixeia. Olo ayto to yliko poy qa einai para poly shmantiko kai ploysio qa ajiologhqei apo thn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh exei thn politikh eyqynh kai qa labei tis telikes apofaseis, tis opoies kai qa ferei enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy me sxedio nomoy sth Boylh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Eipate oti o k. Shmiths ebale ta pragmata sth qesh toys. Oysiastika o k. Shmiths, qa moy epitrecete ton oro, apodokimase thn praktikh toy k. Xristodoylakh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den einai etsi. Qelw na sas qymisw oti edw den erxomaste na kanoyme o kaqenas tis dhlwseis toy. Yparxei h erwthsh sas kai yparxei h apanthsh moy. Mporeite na epanelqete, bebaiws, me allh erwthsh kai na zhthsete dieykrinish. Alla na thrhsoyme ayth th diadikasia, giati qewrw thn paroysia pollwn sthn aiqoysa poly shmantikh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Na sas rwthsw tote. H stash toy k. Xristodoylakh htan swsth epikoinwniaka;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qewrw oti yparxei problhma. Sthn aiqoysa ayth den erxomaste na kanoyme epikoinwniakh analysh, alla syzhthsh oysias. Epi ths oysias den yparxei kanena problhma. O k. Xristodoylakhs hdh eixe organwsei to dialogo. Qelw na to prosejete ayto. Hdh eixe symfwnhsei me toys koinwnikoys kai paragwgikoys foreis kai gia th qematologia toy dialogoy kai gia ta kefalaia kai gia tis ekproswphseis. O dialogos exei organwqei. Aplws, synepese -dioti kapoia stigmh eprepe na bgei kai ayth h apofash kai oysiastika anamenotan- na dhmioyrghqei to qema me thn anakoinwsh ths Epitrophs empeirognwmonwn, h opoia apoteleitai apo kapoioys episthmones poy den phran oyte entoles, oyte sygkekrimenes kateyqynseis apo thn kybernhsh. Ejefrasan tis apoceis toys. H Epitroph ayth eixe systaqei prin apo ena xrono, den einai twrinh. Oi apoceis twn empeirognwmonwn exoyn, bebaiws, th dikh toys ajia, opws kaqe apoch empeirognwmona, alla se kamia periptwsh den apoteloyn kateyqynseis, desmeyseis kai protaseis ths kybernhshs. Kai se ayto anaferqhke o idios o k. Xristodoylakhs kai malista kat` epanalhch.

MOYRTZHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den problhmatizetai poy den yparxei to stoixeio ths allhleggyhs metajy twn ypoyrgwn; Antiqetws, yparxoyn skopimes diarroes ston Typo gia na dhmioyrghsoyn problhma ston k. Xristodoylakh, o opoios oysiastika sthqhke ston toixo.

PRWTOPAPAS: H syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio -ean ayth ennoeite- egine kalopista kai me proqesh na symbaloyn oloi, wste na jekaqaristei ena qema, poy apasxoloyse idiaitera thn koinh gnwmh. Htan apo oloys mia proqesh symbolhs kai gi ayto to logo o Prwqypoyrgos proebh sthn sxetikh dhlwsh. Apo kei kai pera, ean me rwtate, ean symfwnw, me to na ginontai diarroes, qa mporoysa na sas pw oti diafwnw apolytws.

TSIBOLA: H kybernhsh exei kanei mia prwth ajiologhsh kai pws krinei tis protaseis ths Epitrophs empeirognwmonwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi den exei kanei ajiologhsh twn protasewn kai den einai dynato na exei ginei ayto, giati molis prin liges hmeres, parelhfqhsan.

KONTOPOYLOS: Xqes, sthn thleorash toy ALPHA, problhqhke ena binteo poy paroysiaze mia prwtofanh astynomikh bia enantion kapoioy polith, o opoios synelhfqh kathgoroymenos gia mikroklopes. Einai skhnes, poy moiazoyn me aytes poy exoyme dei kai se alla merh toy kosmoy kai exoyn katadikastei. Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs kai ean kalyptei ayta ta astynomika organa kai ean exei diataxqei enorkh dioikhtikh ejetash gia to peristatiko.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa enhmerwqw apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh kai qa sas apanthsw.

KONTOPOYLOS: Phrate thn apofash toy ESR. Qa hqela na moy peite pote problepetai na exete oloklhrwsei ton elegxo nomimothtas ayths ths apofashs, gia na mporesei kai to ESR na ylopoihsei thn apofash toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Molis einai wrimh h epejergasia apo th nomikh mas yphresia mas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Dhladh, mporei thn erxomenh ebdomada na exoyme apofash;

PRWTOPAPAS: H epejergasia ginetai me idiaitera taxeis ryqmoys. Otan h nomikh yphresia epejergastei thn apofash kai enhmerwsei thn politikh hgesia, ayth qa parei tis apofaseis ths.

KONTOPOYLOS: Epi ths oysias, eseis ws ypoyrgos exete kapoia topoqethsh, symfwneite me ayth thn apofash kai bebaia, oxi mono ston elegxo nomimothtas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas anakoinwnw apofaseis kai oxi proqeseis.

MPOTWNHS: Epeidh eixate anaferqei palaiotera kai se parembash toy ESR kai gia alles ekpompes allwn kanaliwn, exoyn ginei kapoies ereynes, giati exoyme rijei thn prosoxh mas mono se aytes tis dyo ekpompes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizoyme exoyn klhqei kai alloi thleoptikoi staqmoi gia sygkekrimenes ekpompes apo to ESR. Gnwrizete dyo apo aytes gia tis opoies yphrxe kai epishmh anakoinwsh apo to ESR.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia thn paraithsh toy k. Papaspyroy kai toys logoys poy epikaleitai sthn paraithsh toy. Afhnei, malista, kai yponooymena gia symfwnies katw apo to trapezi. Shmera to prwi, ton akoysame na dhlwnei pws kakws ekane o k. Polyzwgopoylos kai symfwnhse gia toso xamhles syntajeis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw kai den qelw na krinw tis dhlwseis syndikalistikwn stelexwn. Alla, sto shmeio poy afora to PASOK, qa mporoysa na pw oti apo th stigmh poy o k. Papaspyros paramenei melos ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy Kinhmatos, shmainei oti oi alles kinhseis einai perissotero kinhseis taktikhs, para oysias.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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