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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Aprilioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Qa hqela na ekfrasw ta qerma syllyphthria kai thn odynh mas gia to drama poy perna, apo to qanato toy gioy toy Nikoy, o synadelfos sth Boylh kai dhmosiografos Giannhs Dhmaras.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ayths ths ebdomadas.

Shmera, opws gnwrizete, stis 22.30, qa arxisei h synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h opoia qa oloklhrwqei stis 24.00. Syntonisths ths synenteyjhs qa einai o N. Xatzhnikolaoy kai qa symmetexoyn oi dhmosiografoi T. Koyik, N. Qeodwrakhs, P. Tzimas kai M. Kachs.

Thn Trith, sth 1 h wra, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs M. Xrysoxoidh. Stis 7 to apogeyma, einai programmatismenh h pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh sth Boylh gia ta qemata toy eklogikoy nomoy, poy ginetai meta apo aithma ths Genikhs Grammateas toy KKE Alekas Paparhga.

Thn Tetarth, stis 9.30, qa exei synanthsh me toys ypoyrgoys N. Xristodoylakh kai Xr. Berelh, opoy qa syzhthsoyn kai to qema ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. Stis 11.00, qa synanthqei me thn Proedro ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs toy "Aqhna 2004" Gianna Aggelopoyloy. Qema syzhthshs qa einai o apologismos ths episkechs toy k. Osbalnt kai oi parapera kinhseis gia th swsth proetoimasia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

Me thn eykairia qelw na qymisw oti htan idiaitera qetika ta symperasmata apo thn episkech toy k. Osbalnt.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me qema thn energeiakh politikh. Eishghths qa einai o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs Akhs Tsoxatzopoylos. Stis 14.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton k. Qwmadakh gia ta pepragmena ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa exei synanthsh me ton Epitropo Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn ths E.E. k. Paten. Epishs, qa apanthsei kai se erwthsh sth Boylh, efoson bebaia exei katateqei mesa stis problepomenes proqesmies.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh blepoyme shmera diafora dhmosieymata, qa hqela na rwthsw se poioys ajones qa kinhqei h shmerinh synenteyjh Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Na kanoyme ypomonh merikes wres akoma.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa anaferqei se ejwterika qemata; Einai sygkekrimenh h atzenta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ws gnwston, h synenteyjh einai ef` olhs ths ylhs. Oi synadelfoi sas exoyn to pronomio kai to dikaiwma na kaqorisoyn oi idioi ton tropo xeirismoy ths. Oi idioi qa apofasisoyn gia th qematologia ths synenteyjhs kai tis erwthseis poy qa ypobaloyn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Piqanon na mhn teqoyn erwthseis gia ejwterika qemata. To qewreite apiqano;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan dineis mia synenteyjh kai einai ef` olhs ths ylhs, den kaqorizeis esy to periexomeno twn erwthsewn. Oi dhmosiografoi einai idiaitera egkritoi kai empeiroi kai exoyn thn eyaisqhsia, th gnwsh kai thn ikanothta na asxolhqoyn me ola ta qemata.

IWANNOY: H proetoimasia poy egine me esas kai me kapoia alla stelexh kai synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ti perielambane; Htan en eidh frontisthrioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na mhn apanthsw se ayth thn erwthsh, sto plaisio mias sobarhs syzhthshs poy kanoyme panta edw. Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai ekeinos poy apofasizei gia to ti qa pei, pws qa to pei kai me poio tropo qa paroysiasei ta qemata toy apologismoy kai toy programmatismoy gia thn epomenh periodo. H kalyterh apanthsh einai na perimenoyme merikes wres gia thn enarjh ths synenteyjhs.

GARGALAKOS: Gnwrizete oti h xwra exei kopei se dyo h tria kommatia logw twn mplokwn twn agrotwn. To erwthma poy qelw na sas qesw, den exei na kanei me thn oysia twn zhthmatwn poy qetoyn oi agrotes kai twn apanthsewn ths kybernhshs, alla me to dikaiwma poy exoyn oi Ellhnes polites na kinoyntai eleyqera sth xwra. Ti qa prajei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh h kybernhsh poy exei thn ypoxrewsh na krathsei toys dromoys anoiktoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh exei parei metra gia toys peripoy 80.000 bambakoparagwgoys, poy einai idiaitera ikanopoihtika, mazi me tis epistrofes poy qa yparjoyn. Bebaiws, yparxei mia kathgoria poy exei na kanei me yperbaseis kai me diaforetikes dhlwseis. Gnwrizete oti merikoi apo aytoys exoyn dhlwsei stari kai exoyn kallierghsei bambaki. Omws, yparxoyn kai alla problhmata, opws kapoies amfisbhthseis kai enstaseis. Exoyme polles tetoies kathgories. Ola ayta mporei na ejetastoyn mesa apo ena dialogo, opoy qa ejetastoyn oi enstaseis kai ta epimeroys problhmata. Kaneis, bebaiws, den ennoei oti qa dei kapoies periptwseis poy einai ejw apo ta oria toy nomoy. To kalytero poy exoyn na kanoyn oi agrotes einai na skefqoyn oti o dialogos poy toys kalei na kanoyn to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, mporei isws na anazhthsei -se kapoies periptwseis enstasewn- kapoies lyseis. Oxi, bebaiws, se periptwseis paranomiwn. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, prepei na exoyn ypoch toys dyo pragmata:

Prwton, oti qa einai katastrofiko gia ton Ellhna agroth kai eidika ton Ellhna bambakoparagwgo, ean den thrhqei o Kanonismos ths E.E. Xarh ston Kanonismo ayto, o Ellhnas bambakoparagwgos ejasfalizei idiaitera ychles epidothseis. Ean emeis epixeirhsoyme na katastrathghsoyme ton Kanonismo mpainoyme se peripeteies kai odhgoyme ton Ellhna agroth se arnhtikes ejelijeis.

Deyteron, oti kamia morfh kinhtopoihsewn den mporei na strefetai se baros ths koinwnias kai na timwrei ton polith. Kapoios poy exei problhma h poy diamartyretai mporei na to ekdhlwsei -exoyme Dhmokratia sthn Ellada- alla se kamia periptwsh den mporei na exoyme kinhtopoihseis poy strefontai kata kai timwroyn ton polith. Opws tonisame kai xqes, h N.D. ofeilei na topoqethqei. Qelei thn parabiash toy Kanonismoy ths Koinothtas kai tis arnhtikes kai katastrofikes synepeies poy qa exei ayto gia ton Ellhna agroth; Nai h oxi; Kalyptei aytes tis kinhtopoihseis poy timwroyn ton aplo Ellhna polith kai strefontai kata ths koinwnias; Nai h oxi; Perimenoyme kai shmera safh topoqethsh. Dioti, safh topoqethsh den exoyme dei akomh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws, oti mesa apo to dialogo mporei na breqei kapoia lysh. Pws mporei oi agrotes na kanoyn dialogo me thn kybernhsh otan o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn Kefalonia mila gia ekbiastes kai gia paranomoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se orismenes periptwseis opoy yparxoyn paranomes dhlwseis. Se kamia periptwsh o Prwqypoyrgos den milhse gia oloys syllhbdhn. Einai orismenes periptwseis poy exoyn ypobalei paranomes dhlwseis. Opws, gia paradeigma, merikoi poy exoyn dhlwsei stari kai exoyn kallierghsei bambaki h exoyn kanei allhs morfhs tetoies kinhseis. Yparxoyn onomastika ayth th stigmh sto ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, meta apo ereyna poy egine, oi periptwseis aytes. Kai bebaiws, den mporoyme na kleinoyme ta matia se aytes tis kinhseis, poy telika den aforoyn oloys toys Ellhnes agrotes. Einai mia poly mikrh meiochfia, h opoia den mporei na dhmioyrgei problhmata se baros toy Ellhna agroth poy kanei kala th doyleia toy. Oi idioi oi agrotes prepei na einai enantion aytwn twn periptwsewn -kai xairomai giati orismenes fores einai- poy dysfhmoyn ton aplo Ellhna agroth.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh prin giati epetrece se aytoys toys agrotes na kanoyn ayth thn paranomia;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh den mporei na gyrizei enan-enan toys agroys kai na ejetazei se kaqe stigmh ti exei ginei. Oi elegxoi ginontai deigmatolhptika. Xrhsimopoioyntai ta sygxrona mesa ths texnologias. Alla, gnwrizete oti o kanonismos aytos efarmosthke gia prwth fora fetos. Logiko einai, loipon, na yparxoyn kai apologistikoi elegxoi. Koitazoyme tis dhlwseis toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Toys eixate enhmerwsei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, eixan enhmerwqei analytika. Gnwrizan oloi oti gia prwth fora fetos qa efarmostei enas neos kanonismos. O kanonismos aytos exei ena orio, toys 1.146.000 tonoys. Gnwrizan oloi oti eprepe na kallierghsoyn sygkekrimenes posothtes. Alla, akomh ki an yparxoyn orismenes enstaseis, oi opoies mexri stigmhs den exoyn perilhfqei kai ejetazontai, thn kalopisth syzhthsh mporei na thn kanei o kaqenas. Se kamia periptwsh, omws, den mporei na tiqetai aithma katarghshs toy koinotikoy kanonismoy. Kai ayto, giati einai enantion olwn twn Ellhnwn agrotwn. Ogdonta xiliades oikogeneies qa exoyn arnhtikes synepeies sto eisodhma toys , ean katastrathghqei o koinotikos kanonismos, opws zhtoyn orismenoi. Kai den mporei gia orismenoys h gia kapoies mikres meiochfies na strafoyme kata toy aploy Ellhna agroth, aytoy poy kanei poly kala th doyleia toy kai apotelei th syntriptikh pleiochfia. Epishs, den mporei na kleinoyn oi dromoi. Etsi timwroyme ton aplo polith, timwroyme thn koinwnia. Kai den mporei na siwpa h N.D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi agrotes lene, efoson einai kapoioi paranomoi, giati den dinete ta onomata kai toys lete oloys syllhbdhn kleftes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxhn pote den eipame toys agrotes ``kleftes''. Pote den exei ginei ayto kai oyte prokeitai pote na ginei apo to komma mas. Gnwrizete, omws, tis shmerines dhlwseis toy yfypoyrgoy Gewrgias Baggelh Argyrh, o opoios anaferetai kai se onomata. Eipe oti qa doqoyn kai onomata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi agrotes zhthsan synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa toys dexqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti yparxei prosklhsh toy ypoyrgoy Gewrgias Giwrgoy Dry kai malista, edw kai arketes hmeres, pros tis Enwseis twn agrotwn gia sygkekrimeno dialogo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Efoson me ton k. Dry den ta briskoyn....

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti qa pei ayto; Einai o kaq` ylhn armodios ypoyrgos.

MIXAHL: Prin apo peripoy enamisi mhna eixame jana ta mploka twn agrotwn. Ekei, loipon, anakoinwsate thn timh poy qa doqei stoys agrotes....

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai oi idioi...

MIXAHL: ...me tis epistrofes k.l.p. Twra exoyme nea fash kinhtopoihsewn. Pisteyete oti ayth h fash twn kinhtopoihsewn einai pali gia thn timh h ypokryptei politikh skopimothta gia fqora ths kybernhshs, ayto to diasthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai oi idioi anqrwpoi, oyte oi idies periptwseis. Prin apo dyo-treis mhnes yphrxan kapoies kinhtopoihseis poy aforoysan ton kaqorismo ths timhs kai htan apo tis Enwseis twn agrotwn. Eixame pei tote oti h timh qa einai idiaitera ikanopoihtikh, oti qa plhsiasei tis 300 draxmes. Opws blepete epibebaiwnomaste. Leme thn alhqeia ston Ellhna agroth, giati eixame, exoyme kai qa exoyme anoiktes kai kaqares sxeseis mazi toy kai sxeseis symporeyshs mazi toy. Apo kei kai pera, yparxoyn kapoies eidikes periptwseis, opoy eite egine parapanw kalliergeia, eite yphrjan laqh apo kapoioys agrotes, eite yphrjan kapoies paranomies, apo mia meiochfia. Yparxoyn tetoies periptwseis. Se aytes tis periptwseis, kaneis den mporei na syzhta gia paranomies. Gnwrizete oti ejetazoyme tis loipes enstaseis. Den einai idias fysews to problhma. H timh einai poly kalh kai afora 80.000 bambakoparagwgoys se olh thn Ellada. Ekeinoi poy einai stis eidikes periptwseis, einai aytoi h kapoioi apo aytoys poy shmera kinhtopoioyntai stoys dromoys.

MPEKATWROY: Eipate oti oi agrotes den qa eprepe na kleinoyn toys dromoys. Sthn oysia, omws, toys exoyn kleisei. H kybernhsh poia metra qa parei gia na diasfalisei ston ellhniko lao to dikaiwma na kineitai stoys dromoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti shmera prepei na meinoyme ekei. Na apeyqynqoyme kai pali se aytoys toys anqrwpoys kai na toys poyme dyo pragmata, koitazontas toys sta matia: Prwton, kaqe parabiash toy koinotikoy kanonismoy einai se baros toy Ellhna agroth, toy Ellhna bambakoparagwgoy. Deyteron, den mporei na timwreitai o aplos poliths kai h ellhnikh koinwnia me tetoioy eidoys kinhtopoihseis.

MPOTWNHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti ola ayta htan safh. Giati aytoi oi anqrwpoi, loipon, kleinoyn toys dromoys; Epanerxomai sto erwthma toy k. Mixahl poy den phrame apanthsh. Yparxoyn ypokinhtes pisw apo aytoys; Ayta ta 300-500, den jerw posa trakter einai, ta bgazoyn kapoioi stoys dromoys h einai aytoi oi anqrwpoi poy exoyn tis enstaseis kai mono; Yparxei kapoios poy toys kaqodhgei na pane ekei; Einai poly aplo to erwthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Fantazomai oti opoios bgazei to trakter toy stoys dromoys, analambanei o idios thn eyqynh na to bgalei. Alla, den einai ekei to qema. Omws, apeyqynqhka sth N.D. prohgoymenws gia enan kai monadiko logo. Gia na tonisw oti me th siwph ths kai thn arnhsh ths na topoqethqei, paroti synhqws einai lalistash h tis genikologes kai afhrhmenes topoqethseis ths, oysiastika prospaqei na krycei thn pragmatikothta. Dra me laikismo kai aneyqynothta kai prospaqei, kata th gnwmh moy, na paijei en oy paiktois, dioti parabiaseis toy koinotikoy kanonismoy poy einai se baros toy Ellhna agroth kai morfes kinhtopoihsewn poy strefontai kata ths koinwnias, apaitoyn safeis topoqethseis apo ola ta politika kommata. Ena politiko komma poy stelexh toy metexoyn stis kinhtopoihseis, opws einai h N.D. poy den topoqeteitai, einai safes oti paizei en oy paiktois kai prokalei zhmia se baros toy Ellhna agroth, se baros toy Ellhna polith.

KAPPOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw me poia logikh h kybernhsh kai sthn periptwsh twn agrotwn, opws exei prajei kai sto parelqon, katafeygei sto metro twn ``listwn diapompeyshs'', oysiastika, kapoiwn anqrwpwn poy krinei oti paranomoyn, enw den exei telesidikhsei tipota. Paradexqhkate ki eseis o idios prohgoymenws oti oles aytes oi periptwseis einai ypo ereyna. Ap o,ti maqainoyme, mexri kai doryforikes lhceis...Rwtw to ejhs: Me poia logikh diapompeyontai anqrwpoi, xwris na exei telesidikhsei apolytws tipota. Ayth einai h prwth erwthsh kai h deyterh einai: Meinate sto gegonos oti mexri shmera exoyme na poyme ayta, ayrio, dhladh, ti qa exoyme, MAT, qa exoyme astynomikes dynameis, qa exoyme syllhceis, ti qa exoyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn kai syneidhseis, oi opoies leitoyrgoyn, yparxoyn kai eyqynes ston ellhniko lao kai ayta leitoyrgoyn. Eimai bebaios oti yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy qa skefqoyn thn eyqynh toys apenanti ston ellhniko lao.

GKROMAN: Epanerxomai se mia prohgoymenh erwthsh, poy elege, ti prepei na ginei twra gia ton ergazomeno toy opoioy h ergasia ejartatai amesa apo thn kykloforia sthn eqnikh odo. Ti prepei na eipwqei se ayton ton anqrwpo, ayth th stigmh; Dhladh, posh wra prepei na kanei ypomonh, efoson apo thn prohgoymenh Pempth exei jekinhsei ayth h talaipwria;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh topoqethqei. H kybernhsh pantote prospaqei na ejhghsei thn politikh ths, me thn elpida oti yparxoyn syneidhseis poy apodexontai to aytonohto, ayto poy zhta o ellhnikos laos. Opws egine kai thn prwth fora, pisteyw kai ekfrazw thn aisiodojia oti mporei kai twra na analaboyn aytoi poy kleinoyn toys dromoys tis eyqynes toys kai na stamathsoyn ta mploka. Mhn jexnate oti egine ayto kai prin apo dyo mhnes. Gi ayto ginetai ayth h syzhthsh. Exw thn ektimhsh oti mporoyn oi idioi na katalaboyn oti den mporoyn na timwroyn thn koinwnia kai ton aplo polith. Oti ayto poy zhtoyn gia ton koinotiko kanonismo einai katastrofiko gia toys idioys toys paragwgoys kai analambanontas tis eyqynes toys, na allajoyn tis morfes twn kinhtopoihsewn toys. Na mhn kleinoyn toys dromoys.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Epikalesthkate tis dhlwseis toy k. Argyrh. Sthn idia syzhthsh o k. Argyrhs eipe na dexqoyme oti o koinotikos kanonismos mporei na exei orismena laqh. Qelw na sas rwthsw, afoy yparxei mia tetoia ektimhsh kai sthn kybernhsh kai efoson symfwnhsei h N.D., h kybernhsh exei apofasisei na zhthsei kapoia tropopoihsh toy kanonismoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Tropopoihsh toy kanonismoy gia parelqonta xrono, den ginetai kai to gnwrizete. Kaqe kanonismos isxyei kai kaqe kanonismos apo thn idia th zwh kai tis ejelijeis prosarmozetai. Alla, o kanonismos prwta apofasizetai kai en synexeia efarmozetai. An, loipon, apo kapoies efarmoges toy kanonismoy prokycei h anagkh beltiwsewn, den einai kaneis dogmatikos. Alla, ayto oyte exei diapistwqei sygkekrimena mexri twra, oyte tetoios dialogos exei ginei me toys agrotes mexri twra, oyte tetoios dialogos exei ginei me thn E.E. Emeis den eimaste dogmatikoi, gi ayto milame gia dialogo. Ean paroysiasthkan problhmata kai enstaseis ejetazontai sthn E.E. Kai kaqe fora, eimaste diateqeimenoi, se syzhthsh me toys Ellhnes agrotes, na diekdikhsoyme to kalytero. Ena den mporei na ginei: Na symfwnoyme kai na synypografoyme enan kanonismo oloi kai meta na prospaqoyme h na leme anoikta h ligotero anoikta, oti prepei na parabiastei -giati akoysa kai boyleytes ths N.D. na to yponooyn- xwris na skeftomaste oti ayto qa exei katastrofikes synepeies. Qa kopoyn oi epidothseis sth mesh. Ayta einai aneyqyna kai epikindyna pragmata kai prepei na ta prosexoyme.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean symfwneite kai eseis oti "dyei osonoypw o hlios toy PASOK", giati akoysame na to leei o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ara, oysiastika, moy zhtate na sxoliasw tis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh.

GARGALAKOS: Sas rwtw, ean symfwneite kai eseis me th dhlwsh toy k. Karamanlh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na qymisw ston k. Karamanlh, oti o hlios anatellei kaqe prwi kai dinei zwh se oloys mas.

GARGALAKOS: Symplhrwmatika, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia diafores dhmoskophseis poy eite qa bgoyn osonoypw, an kai orismena stoixeia toys exoyn hdh dhmosiopoihqei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekana, xqes, mia dhlwsh gia tis dhmoskophseis kai qelw na thn epanalabw, alla qa moy epitrecete na kanw kai ena sxolio. Oles oi dhmoskophseis exoyn thn ajia toys kai meletwntas tes, mporei kaneis na katalhjei se symperasmata, na ajiopoihsei kapoia stoixeia poy katagrafei, na beltiwsei tis parembaseis toy. Emeis meletoyme tis dhmoskophseis, bgazoyme symperasmata, alla gnwrizoyme poly kala to kentriko qema, to kentriko zhtoymeno, poy einai h efarmogh ths politikhs mas, h pragmatwsh twn desmeysewn mas apenanti ston ellhniko lao, h epityxia toy ergoy mas. Ayto einai poy qa mas krinei, ayto einai poy qa diamorfwsei to teliko apotelesma kai qa mas odhghsei sth nikh kai stis epomenes ekloges. Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na parathrhsw kati poy diabasa shmera se mia egkrith efhmerida, oti yparxei mia nea epikoinwniakh strathgikh apo th N.D., ena neo trik, na proanaggellontai oi dhmoskophseis prin kan ekdoqoyn. En pash periptwsei, ayto deixnei thn agwnia kai to agxos ths N.D., h opoia, epeidh den diaqetei politikh, prospaqei na kinhqei mesw epikoinwniakwn trik kai allwn tetoiwn katastasewn. Emeis den perimenoyme na doyme ti qa pei o profhths, emeis ylopoioyme to ergo mas kai diamorfwnoyme telika stis ekloges, to apotelesma ths chfoy toy ellhnikoy laoy, me th doyleia mas kai thn peiqw pros ton ellhniko lao, o opoios me thn chfo toy tima telika ayto to ergo.

FASOYLAS: Para tis diabebaiwseis ths kybernhshs toy Israhl pros thn Aqhna kai genikotera pros ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Papandreoy oti qa profylajoyn ta panagia proskynhmata, en toytois shmera to prwi, oi Israhlinoi xtyphsan, bombardisan -den jerw ti akribws synebh- to nao ths Qeias Gennhsews. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean exete epikoinwnia me thn israhlinh kybernhsh, an qa proxwrhsei se diabhma h ellhnikh kybernhsh gi` ayto to qema, dedomenoy oti oi orqodojoi naoi ypagontai sto ellhno-orqodojo Patriarxeio Ierosolhmwn. Kai ena deytero skelos sthn erwthsh, ean ejantlhqhkan oi prwtoboylies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, oson afora to qema ths Meshs Anatolhs, an oxi, se poio epipedo qa synexistoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Synexeia analambanoyme prwtoboylies, sto plaisio twn dynatothtwn mas, dioti, oso synexizetai o kyklos ths bias kai toy aimatos, kaneis den mporei na menei siwphlos. Ayto einai pagia arxh mas. Etsi kinhqhkame mexri twra kai to idio qa prajoyme kai sto mellon. Analabame prwtoboylies, epikoinwnhsame me oloys toys endiaferomenoys, kaqws kai me thn israhlinh kybernhsh, elhfqh to mhnyma toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo ton Proedro Giaser Arafat, metebh o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy sthn Aigypto. Prwtostathsame sth sygklhsh toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn ths E.E. Exoyme analabei mia seira apo prwtoboylies. Einai gnwstes oi xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Papandreoy gyrw apo tis eyqynes ths amerikanikhs pleyras sta gegonota ayta, ypo thn ennoia ths kaqysterhshs poy yphrje kai ths pieshs, poy prepei na einai akomh entonoterh, pros thn israhlinh pleyra. Diapistwnete, loipon, oti yparxoyn synexeis prwtoboylies kai parembaseis apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Ayto poy mporw na sas diabebaiwsw einai oti qa eimaste parontes, oso yparxei ayto to problhma, oso synexizetai o kyklos ths bias kai toy aimatos kai qa apaitoyme na stamathsoyn oi epiqeseis, na aposyrqoyn ta israhlina strateymata kai na efarmostoyn oi apofaseis toy OHE.

Oson afora ta eidika qemata poy aforoyn thn Orqodojia, prepei na gnwrizete oti yparxoyn synexeis parembaseis kai pros thn israhlinh kybernhsh, opws epishs parembaseis ginontai kai gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites, metajy twn opoiwn kai synadelfoi sas -eixame thn eykairia thn Paraskeyh, na antimetwpisoyme kai ena eidiko qema.

KAPPOS: Den exei mia eidikh eyqynh h ellhnikh kybernhsh apenanti se ola ayta ta proskynhmata, toys naoys k.t.l., sta opoia exete kai mia dikaiodosia, en pash periptwsei, kai en telei exoyme kai ena sygkekrimeno gegonos poy eqije shmera o synadelfos...

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh den exei dikaiodosia...

KAPPOS: H ellhnikh Politeia, qa elega...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oyte h ellhnikh Politeia exei dikaiodosia. Th lejh "dikaiodosia" prepei na thn prosejoyme. Den yparxei dikaiodosia, yparxei endiaferon, ypo thn ennoia ths Orqodojias.

KAPPOS: Na amblynw thn ekfrash moy, as poyme, to idiaitero endiaferon. Exw thn entypwsh oti den apanthsate sto synadelfo poy milhse gia kati sygkekrimeno, milhse gia epiqesh poy egine shmera to prwi. Ayto synista gegonos. Prokeitai h ellhnikh kybernhsh na analabei prwtoboylies; Exei programmatisei ti kinhseis qa kanei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei. Analambanoyme kaqhmerina prwtoboylies.

KAPPOS: Diabhma yphrje;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai diabhmata ginontai kai to jerete.

MPOYATAR: Ena sxolio ths kybernhshs pantws...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, prin apo ligo, ekana ektenes sxolio gia to qema ayto.

MPOYATAR: Sygkekrimeno gia ta pyra...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekana geniko sxolio poy kalyptei ola ta qemata. Prepei amesa na apoxwrhsoyn ta israhlina strateymata, prepei na efarmostoyn oi apofaseis toy OHE. Ws edw o kyklos ths bias kai toy aimatos. Yparxoyn sobares eyqynes gia thn ejelijh ayth. Zhtame apo th Dieqnh Koinothta na enteinei tis parembaseis ths kai emeis qa kanoyme o,ti einai dynaton, prokeimenoy aytes oi prwtoboylies na eyodwqoyn.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean paralabate thn apofash toy ESR gia ta dyo thlepaixnidia, h opoia eprokeito shmera na sas stalei kai afoy thn elegjete, na th diabibasete armodiws.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den thn exw paralabei, mexri ayth th stigmh poy milame. Gia na stamathsei h filologia, qelw na ypenqymisw, oti emeis askoyme mono elegxo nomimothtas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poly argei. Den argei poly; Dipla einai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh leitoyrgeite kai eseis se ...thleoptikoys xronoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dioti oi thleoptikoi xronoi einai amesoi. Opws antilambaneste, metajy mias apofashs kai ths nomikhs tekmhriwshs ths, mesolabei pragmatikos xronos, oxi thleoptikos xronos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den jerete ti apofasisan, dhladh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H apanthsh moy einai sygkekrimenh: Apaiteitai nomikh tekmhriwsh. Jerete oti syntassontai apo nomikoys aytes oi apofaseis, den einai politikes apofaseis. Den leitoyrgoyme thleoptika.

KAPPOS: Gia na deite oti to prohgoymeno qema den exei lhjei, skopeyei h ellhnikh kybernhsh na ypodeijei sto Israhl oti pragmatika oi naoi apoteloyn asylo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, topoqethqei.

MOYSOYLIWTHS: Sxetika me to qema poy eqije o k. Mixahl, sas blepw kairo twra, na skefteste kai na kineiste ellhnokentrika. Den lambanete ypoch sas ta epta ekatommyria twn apodhmwn poy einai kai aytoi apodektes ths thleoptikhs katastashs, as mhn th xarakthrisw... Milw gia tis gnwstes ekpompes tis opoies parakoloyqoyn kai oi apodhmoi, eidika sthn Eyrwph, thn Amerikh kai thn Aystralia kai proteinete na metadidontai, pleon, tis nykterines wres, xwris na lambanete ypoch sas oti oi bradines wres einai profanws meshmerianes gia tis alles hpeiroys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa mpw se syzhthsh, oson afora tis wres, giati se alles hpeiroys einai prwines, opws swsta moy eipe o k. Swthrioy. Edw yparxei mia nomimothta. Sthn Ellada leitoyrgoyme se ayta ta zhthmata me bash to Dikaio ths xwras kai tis apofaseis ths anejarthths arxhs. H ennoia "ayqairesia" kai "katastolh" den yparxei sto lejilogio mas, oson afora to radiothleoptiko topio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati o Prwqypoyrgos apesyre ena shmeio ths omilias toy proxqes; Eixe kapoio logo; Yphrje kapoia parembash; Kai gia na sas qymisw thn paragrafo, "peri aristeras kai dejias", htan to qema, ean den qymaste kala.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos protimhse na milhsei arketa ektos keimenoy, opws gnwrizete, idiaitera sthn Kefalonia. Ayta poy hqele na pei kai tis ennoies poy hqele na tonisei, tis edwse me thn omilia poy aneptyje kai poy se shmantiko baqmo htan ektos toy keimenoy poy eixe arxika dianemhqei.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Shmerina dhmosieymata anaferoyn oti yphrxe thlefwnikh epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to Grammatea toy PASOK gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Thlefwnikes epikoinwnies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to Grammatea toy PASOK yparxoyn kaqe mera arketes kai ef` olhs ths ylhs.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Gia ta megala qemata lew, kyrie ypoyrge. Den yphrxe epikoinwnia;

PRWTOPAPAS: H epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Laliwth einai synexhs. Profanws, yphrje epikoinwnia kai to Sabbatokyriako. Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na tonisw oti o Prwqypoyrgos protimhse, idiaitera sthn Kefalonia, megalo meros ths omilias toy na einai ektos keimenoy. Pragma to opoio shmainei oti ek twn pragmatwn, apo th stigmh poy epeleje mia diaforetikh diadikasia sthn omilia toy, ena kommati toy keimenoy paraleifqhke. H oysia, omws, paramenei h idia.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Sth Zakynqo, giati to ekoce;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan apeyqynesai sto koino kai epilegeis na anaptyjeis kapoia eidika qemata, giati to krineis anagkaio ekeinh th stigmh, kamia fora jefeygeis apo to xeirografo poy exeis etoimasei, prokeimenoy me paradeigmata poy qa paroysiaseis na gineis pio antilhptos, pio safhs apo to akroathrio soy. Ayto einai pleonekthma, para meionekthma gia enan politiko.

Sas eyxaristw.

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