Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-03-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Martioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas, kalh ebdomada kai kalh Sarakosth.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ayths ths ebdomadas.

Shmera, stis 12.30, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias K. Stefanopoylo, ton opoio enhmerwse gia ta symperasmata toy Symboylioy Koryfhs sth Barkelwnh. To apogeyma, arxizei sth Boylh h syzhthsh gia thn epikyrwsh ths Synqhkhs ths Nikaias, me omilia kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me to dioikhth ths Eqnikhs Trapezas Q. Karatza. Stis 10.30, qa exei synanthseis me orismenoys ypoyrgoys gia qemata Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synelqei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes.

Thn Pempth to prwi, qa pragmatopoihqei atyph koinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK, sto Megaro Majimoy, me qema to asfalistiko.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton Epitropo gia qemata dieyrynshs k. Ferxoigken.

Thn erxomenh Trith (26/03), stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei to kainoyrgio moyseio ths Akropolhs.

Thn Tetarth (27/3), stis 12 to meshmeri, qa exei synanthsh me th Letonh Prwqypoyrgo.

Thn Pempth (28/3), qa pragmatopoihsei monohmerh episkech sthn Albania, opoy qa exei synanthseis me thn politikh hgesia ths xwras.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me orismenoys ypoyrgoys gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes kai meta qa ginei h Diypoyrgikh. Giati qa toys dei jexwrista; Yparxei kapoio problhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn orismena qemata poy aforoyn thn kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi ypoyrgoi aytoi den qa symmetexoyn meta sth Diypoyrgikh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sth Diypoyrgikh Epitroph, opws gnwrizete, qa syzhthqoyn genikotera qemata proetoimasias twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. O Prwqypoyrgos qelei na enhmerwqei kai na syzhthsei -kai ayto exei ginei polles fores- me orismenoys ypoyrgoys merika eidika qemata, poy aforoyn apokleistika thn kybernhsh, gia thn proetoimasia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioys ypoyrgoys qa dei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa einai oi kyrioi E. Benizelos, Xr. Berelhs, A. Tsoxatzopoylos, G. Papantwnioy, M. Xrysoxoidhs, T. Xythrhs kai h kyria B. Papandreoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph.

PRWTOPAPAS: H Kybernhtikh Epitroph einai sygkekrimeno organo me sygkekrimenh synqesh. Epanalambanw, oti qa syzhthqoyn orismena qemata poy aforoyn apokleistika thn kybernhtikh pleyra kai ep` aytwn twn qematwn qelei o Prwqypoyrgos na tonisei orismena zhthmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn sthn Portogalia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Fantasteite ti qa ginei, ean oi kybernhtikoi ekproswpoi olwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E arxisoyn na sxoliazoyn ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn se alles xwres. Qa htan mia parembash kybernhsewn se eswterikes, se eklogikes diadikasies xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. kai pisteyw oti den qa htan swsto. Apo ekei kai pera, otan erqei h wra se epipedo politikwn kommatwn na syzhthqoyn kapoia zhthmata, kaqenas mporei na kanei tis ektimhseis toy gia ta apotelesmata poy exei h paroysia kapoiwn kommatwn kai kapoiwn antilhcewn se eyrwpaiko epipedo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh o kybernhtikos ekproswpos edw ekane tetoia sxolia, gi` ayto rwtw. Gia alles xwres exoyn ginei sxolia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos den topoqetoymai sta eswterika allwn xwrwn. Topoqetoymaste se politikes. Ekeino, omws, poy hqela na tonisw me aformh thn erwthsh sas, einai oti telika qa prepei na anarwthqoyme kai gyrw apo tis synepeies poy qa exei kai gia toys laoys, alla kai gia tis koinwnies ths Eyrwphs h peraiterw enisxysh kapoiwn antilhcewn se eyrwpaiko epipedo. Exoyme dei arketes tetoies antilhceis na erxontai teleytaia sto trapezi. Qelw na sas qymisw oti sth Barkelwnh ekfrasthkan antilhceis gia mia anejelegkth elastikopoihsh twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, opws epishs kai apoceis gia to asfalistiko poy mas briskoyn synolika antiqetoys, oi opoies bebaia den yioqethqhkan apo th Synodo Koryfhs. Oles aytes oi apoceis ekporeyontai apo sygkekrimenh pleyra kai apo kommata poy anhkoyn sto Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma. Kai ayto den einai tyxaio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos esteile thlegrafhma sto neoeklegenta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth th stigmh, den yparxei Prwqypoyrgos sthn Portogalia, ej oswn gnwrizw.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia to qema twn gnwstwn thlepaixnidiwn poy exei prokalesei polles syzhthseis kai antidraseis. Xqes, eixame kai ton Arxiepiskopo kai to qema exei erqei pros syzhthsh sto ESR.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den parembainw sto ergo toy ESR. Bebaiws, exw ekfrasei tis apoceis moy. Kaneis den mporei na einai symfwnos -proswpika den eimai- me th logikh ths "kleidarotrypas" sthn thleorash. Kai bebaiws, to arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos jekaqarizei oti oi osoi kanoyn xrhsh enos idiaitera sobaroy dhmosioy agaqoy, opws einai oi radiothleoptikes syxnothtes, analambanoyn kai thn ypoxrewsh toy sebasmoy ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias, thn ypoxrewsh thrhshs twn kanonwn eyprepeias kai prostasias toy thleqeath. Kata th gnwmh moy, yparxei ena sobaro qema poiothtas, to opoio, omws, den anekyce twra. Yparxei edw kai arketo kairo kai exei emfanistei kai se alles ekpompes. Den einai swsto na taytizoyme thn thleorash me tis lejeis yperbolh, akrothtes h me thn anyparjia sebasmoy ston thleqeath, ton polith h me thn emfanish orismenwn zhthmatwn poy prosballoyn thn ajioprepeia toy. Se ayta ta zhthmata, prepei oloi na eimaste idiaitera eyaisqhtoi. Kai emeis eimaste. Qa perimenoyme, loipon, tis apofaseis toy ESR kai qa krinoyme me bash aytes. Den parembainoyme sto ergo ths Anejarthths Arxhs. Gnwrizw oti to ESR ejetazei thn ypoqesh ayth se baqos kai epikeintai kapoies apofaseis. To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na perimenoyme tis apofaseis toy. Sto metajy, exoyn kai oi thleoptikoi staqmoi olo to xrono na prosarmostoyn sta zhthmata ths thrhshs ths deontologias, ths eyprepeias kai toy sebasmoy ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias. Mporoyn na to kanoyn kai monoi toys kai yparxei xronos, estw kai twra, meta ta osa exoyn dhmioyrghqei, na proxwrhsoyn se aytoryqmish. Na thrhsoyn toys kanones eyprepeias kai poiothtas me dikes toys kinhseis. Se antiqeth periptwsh, einai safes oti to ESR qa labei tis apofaseis toy -den gnwrizw poies qa einai aytes- kai h Politeia qa kanei to kaqhkon ths.

ARGYROS: Prin apo peripoy ena mhna mas eixate pei oti mexri teloys toy 2002 proqesh ths kybernhshs einai na dwsei tis radiothleoptikes adeies. Me bash kapoies plhrofories poy dhmosieyontai sto Typo tis teleytaies hmeres oti isws yparjei mia anabolh, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean exei allajei kati.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs den yparxei kamia anabolh. Kaqe fora poy lambanoyme tis eishghseis toy ESR, qa exete prosejei oti probainoyme amesws -kai to tonizw ayto, giati exei poly megalh shmasia- ston aparaithto elegxo nomimothtas kai sth synexeia analambanoyme tis eyqynes mas, para tis antidraseis. Gnwrizete oti exw ypogracei tis radiofwnikes adeies ths Qessalonikhs kai ths Aqhnas kai den sas krybw oti yparxoyn polles antidraseis. Polloi oi opoioi emeinan ejw apo th diagwnistikh diadikasia, kinoyn diadikasies diamartyrias. Einai safes oti tis kinoyn aytoi. Mhn exete kamia amfibolia gi` ayto. Epishs, polloi poy emfanisthkan na diamartyrontai, oysiastika ypokinoyntai apo kapoioys oi opoioi exoyn meinei ejw apo th diagwnistikh diadikasia. Apo th stigmh, omws, poy akoloyqeitai mia diagwnistikh diadikasia, einai profanes oti kapoioi qa paroyn kai kapoioi den qa paroyn adeia. Sas plhroforw oti h diagwnistikh diadikasia egine me endelexh prospaqeia toy ESR, alla kai toy ypoyrgeioy, gia na thrhqoyn oloi oi kanones diafaneias kai nomimothtas. Kapoioi dysaresthqhkan. Logiko htan, giati yphrxe megalyteros ariqmos aithsewn apo tis adeies kai panta qa ginetai ayto. Apo ekei kai pera, oson afora tis thleoptikes adeies, perimenw thn eishghsh toy ESR. Einai safes oti to ESR ereyna endelexws to "poqen esxes". H eishghsh toy qa krinei ta epomena bhmata mas.

GARGALAKOS: Eipate oti thn Pempth qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph mazi me to E.G. gia to asfalistiko. Qa apofasistei thn Pempth to ycos ths kratikhs xrhmatodothshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: H synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs apo koinoy me to E.G. exei ena genikotero xarakthra. Einai mia atyph synedriash, sthn opoia qa ejetastei to synolo twn problhmatwn kai twn symperasmatwn, ta opoia sxetizontai me thn asfalistikh metarryqmish.

Gnwrizete oti sthn Kentrikh Epitroph, exoyme parei mia omofwnh apofash, h opoia epikyrwqhke apo to Synedrio mas. Me ayth thn apofash kinoymaste politika. Kai pragmatika, oi kinhseis poy kanei to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn dia toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmhtrh Reppa kai olwn twn synarmodiwn, einai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Einai qetikes kinhseis, poy prowqoyn thn asfalistikh metarryqmish sthn kateyqynsh ths biwsimothtas kai ths dikaiosynhs. Epixeiroyme na lysoyme to asfalistiko, oxi ws anagkaio kako, alla ws prosfora ston polith. Kapoioi diamartyrontai. Den gnwrizw ean h N.D. epizhtei na gyrisoyme se ayto poy akoysthke apo kapoioys hgetes, twn opoiwn ta kommata einai melh toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, oti qa prepei, epeidh peqainoyn sta 83 toys xronia oi katoikoi ths xwras toys, na yparjoyn kinhseis, allages kai ayjhseis anejarthtes apo to orio hlikias. Emeis den yioqetoyme tetoies antilhceis. Ean h N.D. qelei na synexisei sth logikh 1990-1993, einai dikaiwma ths. Ayto apodeiknyoyn oi prosfates dhlwseis poy ekanan orismena stelexh ths. Alla, ayto prepei na to gnwrizei kaqara o ellhnikos laos, o opoios exei aporricei tis politikes ayths ths periodoy. H N.D. oneireyetai na janagyrisei se ekeina ta metra, se ekeines tis politikes. Emeis proxwroyme se teleiws diaforetikh kateyqynsh, se mia allh logikh, poy sebetai ton polith, ton anqrwpo, poy lynei to asfalistiko ws prosfora sthn koinwnia.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei mia kritikh oti aplws me tis ryqmiseis aytes poy prowqeite, metatiqetai to problhma sthn epomenh kybernhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti ``opoios den qelei na zymwsei, xilia xronia koskinizei''. Otan proxwrhsame se mia diaforetikh lysh gia to asfalistiko, h N.D. arxise na kraygazei, oti dhqen eimaste antergatikoi h antilaikoi. Twra poy epixeiroyme mia diaforetikh proseggish sth bash twn apofasewn ths K.E. kai toy Synedrioy toy PASOK, h N.D. prospaqei na ypobaqmisei ayto poy ginetai. Kai twra apokalyptei to pragmatiko ths proswpo. Mas leei, ``janagyriste stis lyseis ths periodoy, 1990-1993, epibarynete toys ergazomenoys, toys syntajioyxoys''. E, oxi! Den prokeitai na kanoyme ayto. Kai bebaia, h xrhmatodothsh poy qa yparjei gia to asfalistiko systhma qa einai eparkhs gia na ejasfalisei th biwsimothta toy. Biwsimothta syndyasmenh me dikaiosynh. Den mporei ola ta barh na einai stis plates twn ergazomenwn. Aytes den einai antilhceis dikaies.

POYLIDOY: Thn perasmenh ebdomada, ean qymamai kala, eixate pei oti Trith me Tetarth qa eiste etoimos na mas peite, poios qa einai o kainoyrgios Proedros ths ERT. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean exete thn apofash.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei h apofash ths Epitrophs Ajiologhshs, h opoia exei systaqei, alla den moy exei koinopoihqei grapta, mexri ayth th stigmh. Pisteyw oti qa moy doqei mesa sth mera. Me bash thn apofash ths armodias Epitrophs, qa probw stis anagkaies synennohseis me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn N. Xristodoylakh (dioti einai apofash dyo ypoyrgwn) kai elpizw oti mexri ayrio to meshmeri, qa eimai se qesh na sas to anakoinwsw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite poio einai to ycos ths xrhmatodothshs kai poio to orio hlikias poy telika qa epilegei;

PRWTOPAPAS: H syzhthsh, ayth th stigmh, diejagetai metajy toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn Dhmhtrh Reppa kai twn koinwnikwn organwsewn. Gnwrizete oti, hdh, exoyn ejetastei para polla qemata kai qa ta xarakthriza idiaitera endiaferonta. Eimaste se kalo dromo. Ep` aytoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, sth synedriash ths Pempths, qa kanei ena syllogiko apologismo kai qa xarajei tis anagkaies nees kateyqynseis. Meta th synedriash ayths, qa exoyme th dynatothta na syzhthsoyme to qema analytika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate oti den qelete na gyrisete sto 1990-1993, mhpws pate poly pio pisw;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa gia tis dikes mas kateyqynseis. Afhnoyme th N.D. na oramatizetai, epi mataiw, thn epanalhch ekeinhs ths periodoy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ean katalaba kala, h N.D. einai to empodio kai den lynetai to asfalistiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Lynoyme to asfalistiko, alla lynontas to apokalyptoyme kai tis diafores mas me kapoia alla kommata.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mas eseis to xeirizeste.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi` ayto kai to lynoyme, epeidh to xeirizomaste emeis. H N.D. den qa to elyne, bebaiws.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To na lene tis apoceis toys ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, h N.D. h opoiodhpote allo komma, einai allo zhthma. H kybernhsh ti exei na pei, ena xrono talaipwrei thn ellhnikh koinwnia me ayto to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws exete dei, h kybernhsh lynei to qema, o dialogos paei poly kala. Kai o kalopistos -kai edw mesa qewrw oloys kalopistoys- ofeilei na symbalei se ayto to dialogo, wste na lyqei swsta, biwsima kai dikaia to asfalistiko.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ean den kanw laqos, epishs, giati akoysame ena drimytato ``kathgorw'', aytoi oi opoioi antedrasan perysi htan kyriws oi ergazomenoi. Kai na mhn jexname oti metajy aytwn htan, bebaiws, kai ta syndikalistika stelexh toy PASOK. Jexasate tis poreies kai tis diadhlwseis; Oi antidrwntes, oi opoioi bghkan sto dromo, den htan ta kommata, htan oi idioi oi ergazomenoi syndikalistes. Ws prwhn, loipon, syndikalisths kai hgeths ths tritobaqmias syndikalistikhs organwshs, qa hqela na moy peite, den eixan dikio tote oi ergazomenoi poy antedrasan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme topoqethqei oloi gia toys xeirismoys ekeinhs ths periodoy kai exoyme analabei tis eyqynes mas. Gi` ayto to logo, oi xeirismoi poy ginontai twra, einai se mia diaforetikh kateyqynsh. Lynoyme to asfalistiko ws prosfora sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, me biwsimothta kai dikaiosynh. Kai xairw, dioti kai oi xeirismoi poy exoyn ginei apo thn kybernhtikh pleyra kai eidika apo ton k. Reppa, kinoyntai apolyta se ayth thn kateyqynsh me tolmh, eyqynh kai dikaiosynh. Alla, bebaiws, exete prosejei oti kai oi syndikalistikes organwseis metexoyn se ayto to dialogo dhmioyrgika, kataqetontas tis dikes toys protaseis. Mporoyme na eimaste aisiodojoi, xwris na biazomaste kai xwris na piezoyme ta pragmata parapanw ap` o,ti prepei. Briskomaste se ena kalo dromo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Se ti sas empodise, loipon, h N.D. gia na lysete to asfalistiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: H N.D. den mas empodizei se tipota. Dioti, otan prokeitai na lyqei ena qema den kataqetei tis apoceis ths. Kai otan kataqetei apoch, mas qymizei oti den exei tipota perissotero na prosqesei apo thn periodo 1990-1993. Ara, oxi mono den mas empodizei, alla mas apokalyptei tis pragmatikes proqeseis ths. Bebaiws, mhn perimenete na mhn apokalycoyme kai emeis, en synexeia, aytes tis proqeseis ths ston ellhniko lao. Kai ayto einai mesa sth leitoyrgia toy politikoy mas systhmatos.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Tis dikes sas apoceis oi ergazomenoi den tis aperrican;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti, ayth th stigmh, o dialogos proxwrei kala. As mh zhleyoyme, gi` ayto. As to sthrijoyme. To asfalistiko einai prosfora sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. As sthrijoyme, epiteloys, ayto to dialogo poy proxwrei, wste na ginei karpoforos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H prosfora poia einai; H meta qanaton syntajh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H frash ayth, akoysthke apo orismena xeilh, ta opoia den anhkoyn sto diko mas ideologiko xwro, kata thn prosfath Synodo Koryfhs ths Barkelwnhs.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oloi nomizw qymomaste, poios eixe pei oti zoyme polla xronia kai ayto apotelei problhma gia to asfalistiko.

PRWTOPAPAS: To akoysame prosfata kata to xeirotero tropo.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Barkelwnhs, h ellhnikh pleyra diapistwse thn pagiwsh, pia, dyo sygkekrimenwn tasewn, as mhn poyme ajonwn, oi opoies epikentrwnontai kyriws sthn metriopaqesterh prowqhsh koinwnikwn kai oikonomikwn metarryqmisewn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den einai metriopaqesterh. Yparxoyn, pragmatika, politikes antilhceis. Nomizw oti mporei kaneis na tis katatajei se dyo megala reymata. Sto reyma ekeino, to opoio den qelei thn perissoterh Eyrwph, den qelei to neo koinwniko eyrwpaiko protypo, epiqymei thn anejelegkth elastikopoihsh ths agoras ergasias, to piswgyrisma twn katakthsewn, opws gia paradeigma sthn koinwnikh asfalish -akoysthkan kai tetoies apoceis- to opoio oneireyetai mia mono agora, h opoia na isopedwnei tis koinwnies kai toys laoys.

Kai yparxei kai mia diaforetikh apoch, h opoia omilei gia nees ryqmiseis, poy sebetai to eyrwpaiko koinwniko protypo, poy mila gia plhrh apasxolhsh kai anazhta to rolo twn eyrwpaikwn koinwniwn sthn oikodomhsh ths neas Eyrwphs, ths Eyrwphs twn lawn. Oso perna o kairos, exw th gnwmh oti aytes oi antilhceis kai ta problhmata erxontai mprosta mas, toso aytes oi antilhceis qa ginontai orates. H dikh mas apoch einai safhs. Qeloyme perissoterh Eyrwph, mia Eyrwph dhmokratikh, koinwnikh, thn Eyrwph twn lawn. Mia Eyrwph me dikes ths politikes se oloys toys krisimoys tomeis poy aforoyn tis koinwnies. Kai ayto qa to apodeijoyme me tis prwtoboylies poy qa paroyme kata th diarkeia ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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