Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-02-05

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Febroyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes, synebh to ejhs parajeno, qa elega, to opoio qa gnwrizete, bebaiws. Yphrje mia thlefwnikh epafh toy ypoyrgoy Amynas G. Papantwnioy me ton Toyrko omologo toy k. Tsakmakogloy. Thn wra akribws poy ginotan ayth h thlefwnikh epikoinwnia, gia na ekfrasei o k. Papantwnioy th qlich ths Elladas gia ta gegonota me toys seismoys, thn idia wra ginontan parabaseis kai parabiaseis toy enaerioy xwroy apo 30 maxhtika aeroskafh ths Toyrkias. Kai dierwtwmai, mesa se ayth thn atmosfaira -to exw pei polles fores- einai dynato na perasei aytos o dialogos Elladas-Toyrkias kai na breqoyme se kapoia katastash poy na mporesoyn ta ellhnotoyrkika na broyn mia diejodo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, poly orqa epraje o k. Papantwnioy kai thlefwnhse ston Toyrko omologo toy gia na ekfrasei th lyph ths kybernhshs kai oloklhroy toy ellhnikoy laoy gia ta qymata kai tis katastrofes apo to seismo sthn Toyrkia. Bebaiws, exoyn ayjhqei, idiaitera ton teleytaio kairo, oi parabaseis kai oi parabiaseis ston enaerio xwro mas. Qelw, omws, na sas ypenqymisw oti, symfwna me thn taktikh kai thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme ws kybernhsh, synexizoyme na ajiopoioyme oles tis dynatothtes ths diplwmatikhs odoy gia na ekfrasoyme th diamartyria mas se aytes tis energeies, alla exoyme strammeno to endiaferon mas kyriws sta metwpa poy krinontai oi apanthseis sta megala eqnika zhthmata, opws einai to Kypriako kai oi synomilies poy diejagontai ayth th stigmh, opws einai h prooptikh entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E, opws einai oi diereynhtikes prospaqeies poy exoyn jekinhsei, me prwtoboylia toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn kai symfwnia toy k. Tzem, gia th dynatothta syntajhs synyposxetikoy, prokeimenoy na parapemfqei h orioqethsh ths yfalokrhpidas sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Ayta einai ta megala metwpa, ayta einai ta pragmatika zhthmata, ayta einai, poy polles fores, dhmioyrgoyn ekneyrismo se kapoioys kykloys ths Toyrkias. Emeis, akoloyqoyme thn politikh poy eixame mexri twra, eimaste strammenoi se ayta ta zhthmata, anadeiknyoyme kai enisxyoyme th dieqnh qesh ths xwras mas. Apodeiknyoyme oti h Ellada einai mia xwra poy agwnizetai gia th dieqnh eirhnh kai synergasia kai einai etoimh, mesa sto plaisio ths dikaiosynhs kai twn genikwn kanonwn, na symballei sthn empedwsh enos kaloy klimatos geitonias sthn perioxh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me sygxwreite. Orqa ta eipate, alla qa hqela na sxoliasete to gegonos oti, apo th mia meria h Ellada qelei na milhsei gia ta problhmata poy exei h Toyrkia, endexomenws na steilei ekei anqrwpoys na bohqhsoyn kai thn idia wra h Toyrkia, einai dynato na symperiferetai etsi; Kai rwtw, mesa se ayto to pneyma, mporei na proxwrhsei tipota;

PRWTOPAPAS: Emeis qa synexisoyme th strathgikh mas se ayta ta kairias shmasias zhthmata. Kai bebaiws, pisteyoyme oti mporei na eyodwqei o dialogos. Giati; Oxi giati kapoioi apo thn toyrkikh pleyra mporei na qeloyn h na mhn qeloyn -kai pisteyw oti yparxoyn oles oi apoceis ekei- alla dioti h piesh ths dieqnoys koinothtas, xarh kai sth swsth qesh kai tis prwtoboylies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, diarkws ayjanei. Me ayth thn ennoia, den exei shmasia mono ti qelei kapoios, alla kai ti diaisqanetai kai ti katanoei, se sxesh me th dieqnh koinothta, alla kai thn prooptikh ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths Toyrkias, otan oi prwtoboylies mas dhmioyrgoyn poly qetika, gia mas, dedomena. Me ayth thn politikh pame, se ayth thn politikh synexizoyme.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ola ayta poy eipate, bebaiws einai gnwsta kai exoyn diatypwqei polles fores. Alla, qa sas qymisw oti o k. Papandreoy eixe dhlwsei palaiotera oti ayto einai ena proswpiko stoixhma kai pisteyei oti qa to kerdisei. Nomizete oti o politikos kosmos kai polloi mesa apo to PASOK, symmerizontai ayth thn politikh toy Gewrgioy Papandreoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Papandreoy, ws ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, armodios gi` ayta ta zhthmata, ta xeirizetai, bebaiws se synennohsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai to synolo ths kybernhshs, kata ton pleon ypeyqyno kai apotelesmatiko tropo. Qelw na sas qymisw oti prosfata eixame synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy gyrw apo th strathgikh mas gia eqnika qemata, opoy yphrje plhrhs symfwnia sthn eishghsh toy k. Papandreoy gia tis taktikes poy akoloyqoyme.

KARGOYDH: Sto plaisio toy dialogoy poy qa arxisete me toys endiaferomenoys foreis gia th ryqmish sxetika me to arqro 14 gia ta MME, alhqeyei oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa arxisei seira synanthsewn me ekdotes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw pote akribws o Prwqypoyrgos qa epilejei na synanthqei me ekdotes h epixeirhmaties. Ayto ginetai kata kairoys. Einai sth diakritikh eyxereia toy.

ARGYROS: Prosfata eixate mia synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Exei kaqoristei apo thn kybernhsh to pososto poy qa exei o basikos metoxos, to opoio qa syzhthqei sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth th stigmh, yparxoyn oi kateyqynseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me bash tis eishghseis ths politikhs hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy. Qa erqei to qema sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai meta, me apofash-eishghsh ths, qa anoijei o kyklos dialogoy. Epeidh den synhqizw na ypokaqistw ta syllogika kybernhtika organa -den to kanw pote- qa me sygxwrhsete poy den qa proxwrhsw se leptomereies. Meta thn apofash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs qa yparjei analytikh synenteyjh Typoy, opoy qa exw thn eykairia na paroysiasw synolika thn protash mas.

KALARITHS: Kai xqes o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke h yponohse kapoia kentra, apo ta opoia ekporeythke h epiqesh kata toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh, poia einai ayta ta kentra kai an nai, qa ta katonomasei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, gyrw apo ayta ta zhthmata. Sas apanthsa analytika kai thn Paraskeyh kai xqes.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dieykrinistika: Kai egw exw thn idia aporia kai hqela na ypobalw thn idia akribws erwthsh me to synadelfo. Giati, akoyme apo thn Pempth gia "synwmotes" k.t.l., alla den exei syllhfqei kaneis apo toys synwmotes aytoys. Poioi einai, dhladh, oi synwmotes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, oydeis milhse gia syllhceis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Egw proteinw na efarmozetai o nomos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Akribws ayto proteinoyme kai emeis. Epomenws, politika einai ta zhthmata. O Prwqypoyrgos eqije kati poy einai koinh syneidhsh se oloys toys Ellhnes. Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na tonisw oti, me th xqesinh parembash toy, o Prwqypoyrgos dinei mia telikh apanthsh sta osa eginan thn perasmenh ebdomada, xarassei toys dromoys poy prepei, gia na exoyme kanones kai poiothta sto radiothleoptiko topio kai proanaggellei mia seira nees prwtoboylies, toso se ayta ta zhthmata, oso kai sta ypoloipa qemata poy syndeontai me to kybernhtiko ergo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Pisteyw oti kai eseis prepei na symfwnhsete oti apodynamwnetai h ajiopistia twn oswn lete -kai eseis proswpika, alla kai h kybernhsh- otan ola ayta einai ewla se mia axly mysthrioy. Dioti, o ellhnikos laos akoyei gia "jena kentra apofasewn", egxwria, "synwmotes", diafora ths dikhs sas fraseologias, alla ek twn pragmatwn den symbainei tipota.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanete laqos na mas apodidete lejeis poy den eipame pote. H dikh moy fraseologia einai panta poly prosegmenh. Oydepote xrhsimopoihsa ton oro "synwmoths" kai "jena kentra"...

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ayto proerxetai apo th lejh "synwmosia", poy th xrhsimopoihsate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Parakalw poly. Oydepote milhsa gia "jena kentra".

PAPADOPOYLOS: Gia "synwmosia" eipate pantws.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa kai thn Paraskeyh kai, efoson to zhtate, to epanalambanw, oti o ellhnikos laos exei matia kai blepei. Mporw na prosqesw oti kai diabazei kai akoyei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Tote na mhn syzhtoyme. An einai etsi, ean ta katalabainei ola ston aera, na mhn kanoyme to dialogo. Emeis zhtoyme ypeyqynes apanthseis, apo thn ypeyqynh kybernhsh kai ton ekproswpo ths. Otan sto politiko skhniko, me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs anaferontai ayta...

PRWTOPAPAS: Kyrie Papadopoyle, sas edoqh, hdh, apanthsh.

GARGALAKOS: Meta tis ejaggelies toso tis dikes sas, oso kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, emfanizontai kapoies antidraseis kai sto xwro toy Typoy, akoma kai akraies ektimhseis oti pate, kata kapoio tropo, na epibalete fimwsh sta MME, alla kai pio hpies antidraseis poy tis blepoyme se arqrografies megalwn efhmeridwn. Mhpws, tyxon, yparjoyn deyteres skeceis, endexomenws, sta osa ejaggeilete, mhpws aytes oi antidraseis prokaloyn anastoles;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme maqei, polloi apo mas, se olh mas th zwh, na proxwroyme mesa apo tis antidraseis. Opws gnwrizete kaqe neo gennietai epwdyna. Kai opws leei o aplos laos mas: ``an den spaseis ayga den kaneis omeleta''. Logiko einai na yparxoyn antidraseis. Den einai, omws, taytoshmes. Exoyme antidraseis efhmeridwn poy bghkan me phxyaioys titloys, gia na poyn oti ``apeileitai h Dhmokratia''. Bebaiws, kat` aytoys h dhmokratia den apeileitai apo tis ahqeis epiqeseis poy dexqhke o Proedros ths Dhmokratias. Omws, kaqe apoch einai sebasth. Kai alles kritikes -kai exw akoysei polles- aforoyn pleyres twn qematwn poy anoigoyme. Xairetizw aytes tis kritikes. Dioti, ean kanoyme mia seira ejaggeliwn, oi opoies eginan stis genikes toys anafores, apo ta pio epishma xeilh, ta xeilh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, alla kai apo to ypoyrgeio Typoy kai den prokaloyntai qetikes h arnhtikes antidraseis, shmainei oti aytes oi ejaggelies den prokaloyn kanena endiaferon, den qigoyn tipota, den allazoyn tipota, einai mia apo ta idia. Ean prokeitai na kanoyme, mia apo ta idia, einai protimotero na poyme oti den kanoyme tipota. Me ayth thn ennoia, qewrw oti o dialogos, hdh anoigei, isws ligo espeysmena, den peirazei. Einai qetiko oti ekfrasthkan apoceis, poy yposthrizoyn dyo pleyres. Gia paradeigma, opws gnwrizete, sto qema twn metrhsewn, hdh exoyn akoystei dyo apoceis, oi opoies katagrafontai. Einai qetiko oti aytes oi apoceis apoteloyn enisxytika stoixeia toy dialogoy. Aytos o dialogos qa ginei, prepei na ginei kai parakalw oloys na ton antimetwpisoyn kalopista. Na poyn thn apoch toys. Den xreiazontai neyrikes antidraseis. Yparxei h anagkh dialogoy. Qa yparjei mia nomoqetikh ryqmish gia to qema toy asymbibastoy toy basikoy metoxoy, dioti ayto ypoxreoymaste apo to Syntagma mas kai se ayto den einai diapragmateysimo. Bebaiws, qa yparjei enas eidikos dialogos kai se ayto to qema. Alla, qa exoyme megalyterh anesh sta zhthmata toy kwdika deontologias gia tis eidhseografikes kai enhmerwtikes genikotera ekpompes kai me anesh xronoy, me kalh pisth, me proqesh symbolhs se mia kalyterh kai poiotikoterh enhmerwsh, qa kaqisoyme oloi mazi sto trapezi. Ekei, oles oi apoceis qa einai sebastes kai qa lambanontai ypoch. Fysika, qa analaboyme thn telikh eyqynh, elpizw kai me th synergasia toy ESR.

GARGALAKOS: Eixe anakoinwqei palaiotera h moriodothsh orismenwn radiofwnikwn staqmwn, pleon twn eikosi poy eixe moriodothsei to ESR. Akoygetai esxatws oti qa janadei to ESR ayton ton pinaka moriodothshs kai endexomenws na allajei orismena pragmata. Isxyei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto poy krinetai ayth th stigmh gia toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys twn Aqhnwn, einai oi dekapente adeies poy qa doqoyn, peran twn eikosi poy hdh exoyn xorhghqei. Ayto krinetai. Gnwrizete oti sxedon exei oloklhrwqei h diadikasia. Eixan zhthqei kapoia symplhrwmatika eggrafa apo orismenoys staqmoys, meta thn parathrhsh poy apesteila meta to nomiko elegxo pros to ESR. Pisteyw oti poly syntoma to ESR qa apanthsei kai se ayth thn parathrhsh kai qa oloklhrwsoyme th diadikasia. Sth synexeia oi adeies qa ypografoyn. Den ektimw oti yparxei allo qema me thn adeiodothsh twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn ths Aqhnas.

GARGALAKOS: Dhladh, den prokeitai na yparjei nea diadikasia moriodothshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oydeis moy exei qesei kati tetoio mexri twra. Bebaiws, den exei kamia tetoia proqesh to ypoyrgeio Typoy.

SOYGLERHS: Oi alles apoceis miloyn oti h kybernhsh htan yperbolikh oson afora th stash ths apenanti sthn ahqh epiqesh poy dexqhke o Proedros ths Dhmokratias. Qa hqela to sxolio sas dioti eipate oti den kindyneyei kai ayto fanhke apo th stash toy politikoy kosmoy poy htan enwmenos kai katadikase ayth thn praktikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ektimw oti an den htan toso apofasistikh, entonh kai amesh h antidrash qa eixame polloys kykloys se ayth thn epiqesh. Qewrw oti dikaiwqhke plhrws h taktikh mas.

GARGALAKOS: Gnwrizete oti qa yparjei mia teleytaia fash dialogoy anamesa ston ypoyrgo Gewrgias kai thn Panqessalikh. Ean aytos o dialogos, ayth h teleytaia prospaqeia katalhjei se adiejodo, apo kei kai pera ti qa kanei h kybernhsh. Qa parathrei apla ta mploka twn agrotwn me tis wriaies diakopes ths kykloforias stoys eqnikoys dromoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh se ligo arxizei h synanthsh, kalo einai na staqoyme me idiaiterh prosoxh kai eyqynh kai na mh sxoliazoyme ypoqetikes ejelijeis. Se ligh wra o ypoyrgos Gewrgias G. Drys qa synanthqei me thn Panqessalikh kai eyxomaste na katalhjoyn se symfwnia.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei h periptwsh me ton k. Kwnstantopoylo, poy oristhke apo thn kybernhsh, apo to PASOK, ws anaplhrwths toy k. Aygerinoy sth Syntaktikh Syneleysh. Ti shmatodotei ayth h epilogh; Mhpws einai mia prospaqeia na enisxyqei h synergasia anamesa sto PASOK kai to Synaspismo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia ton orismo ekproswpwn toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy sth Syneleysh gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs, me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy to PASOK eishghqhke kai proteine apo thn pleyra toy, ws taktiko melos ton k. Aygerino -ena boyleyth egnwsmenhs empeirias, hqoys kai politikwn dynatothtwn, idiaitera sta eyrwpaika qemata- kai h qesh toy anaplhrwth apofasisthke na ekxwrhqei sto Synaspismo. Kai ayto giati pisteyoyme oti perissoteres politikes dynameis, peran toy PASOK kai ths N.D. poy qa symmetexoyn me enan ekproswpo toys, prepei na klhqoyn na symmetexoyn kai na kataqetoyn tis apoceis toys sth Syneleysh ayth gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs. Prokeitai, ws gnwston na syzhthqoyn qemata poy aforoyn th morfh, th domh poy qa parei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, th qesh ths xwras mas mesa se ayth, h leitoyrgia twn qesmikwn organwn ths E.E. tis koines politikes se mia seira krisimwn tomewn, qemata, dhladh, poy qa kaqorisoyn to mellon ths E.E. kai twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. Gi ayto akribws qewroyme idiaitera xrhsimo na klhqoyn na symbaloyn me tis qeseis toys, thn paroysia kai tis protaseis toys se ayth thn prospaqeia perissoteres politikes dynameis apo tis dyo poy antistoixoysan. Ayto ejhgei kai thn kinhsh ayth. Bebaiws, o k. Kwnstantopoylos zhthse na symmetexoyn kai ta alla kommata. Ennow to KKE. Gnwrizete, omws, oti oi qeseis, oson afora to PASOK toylaxiston, htan periorismenes.

Sas eyxaristw.

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