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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Febroyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Kalhmera sas, kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis epomenes hmeres:

Shmera, stis 11.30, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe synanthsh gia thn proetoimasia ths ayrianhs episkechs sth Roymania. Stis 12.30, arxise h synanthsh toy me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth. Stis 13.30 o Prwqypoyrgos qa kocei thn pitta sto Megaro Majimoy. Stis 19.00 qa proedreysei ths synedriashs toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK kai qa probei se dhlwsh gyrw apo tis prosfates ejelijeis.

Ayrio, opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei th Roymania kai qa exei synomilies me tis arxes ths xwras.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa yparjei synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me kybernhtika kai kommatika stelexh, gia thn antimetwpish mias seiras problhmatwn ths Perifereias. Sth synanthsh qa metexoyn apo ta melh ths kybernhshs, o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn K. Skandalidhs, o ypoyrgos Epikrateias S. Manikas, o yfypoyrgos Oikonomias X. Paxtas kai o Genikos Grammateas toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy S. Kosmidhs. Qa symmetexoyn kai kommatika stelexh me epikefalhs to Grammatea ths K.E. toy PASOK K. Laliwth kai melh toy E.G. toy Kinhmatos. Stis 11 to prwi qa ginei h syskech gia to qema ths diafqoras, me symmetoxh twn k.k. Skandalidh, Xrysoxodh kai Xristodoylakh. Stis 13.00 o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me toys boyleytes toy PASOK apo thn Perifereia Peloponnhsoy. Qa syzhthqei h trexoysa drasthriothta kai problhmata ths perifereias, enocei kai twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qema thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei se erwthseis sth Boylh, piqanotata sthn erwthsh toy Proedroy toy Synaspismoy N. Kwnstantopoyloy. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa milhsei sto Synedrio ths Neolaias toy PASOK.

To Sabbato, stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei tis egkatastaseis toy ergoy ths DEPA, sth Rebyqoysa. Einai staqmos apoqhkeyshs ygroy ygraerioy, to opoio ejaerwnetai kai en synexeia mpainei sto diktyo fysikoy aerioy. Einai ena megalo ergo, poy afora to energeiako problhma. Einai ena sygxrono ergo kai h episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy akribws ayto erxetai na tonisei, to endiaferon toy kai to endiaferon olhs ths kybernhshs gi aytes tis sygxrones morfes poy antimetwpizoyn me ton kalytero tropo to energeiako problhma ths xwras.

Qelw, telos na tonisw oti ekfrazoyme th symparastash mas pros to dokimazomeno toyrkiko lao stis perioxes ekeines poy exei plhjei o seismos. Gnwrizete oti exoyn yparjei qymata kai katastrofes. Exei ekfrastei apo xqes h plhrhs symparastash ths kybernhshs mas kai oloklhroy toy ellhnikoy laoy, alla kai h proqesh paroxhs kaqe bohqeias, efoson ayth einai anagkaia kai zhthqei.

Parakalw, gia tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh prosanatolizetai na allajei to qesmiko plaisio sto radiothleoptiko topio, ean qa yparxoyn, dhladh, nees qesmikes prwtoboylies kai ean isxyei ayto poy shmera diabasame, oti prosanatolizeste na zhthsete thn katarghsh twn metrhsewn mesa sta thleoptika deltia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei mia seira parembasewn poy qa aforoyn to radiothleoptiko topio. Gnwrizete, kat arxhn, oti yparxoyn hdh nomoi, poy problepoyn toys kanones kai tis diadikasies gia na mpei mia tajh se olo ayto to qema. Hdh, to ESR, ws gnwrizete, krinei toys fakeloys twn radiofwnikwn kai thleoptikwn staqmwn, meta apo thn prokhryjh poy egine, gia na dei poioi einai kai na dhmioyrghsei mia seira katatajhs, wste na doqoyn oi adeies poy problepei o nomos. Gia kaqe kommati poy teleiwnei apo to ESR kai efoson yparxei kai o sxetikos elegxos nomimothtas poy problepei o nomos, qa proxwroyme. Qelw na sas pw, gia paradeigma, oti prin apo treis hmeres, ypegraca thn apofash gia th xorhghsh twn adeiwn ths Qessalonikhs. Eikosi epta adeies poy problepotan apo thn prokhryjh, xorhgoyntai. Yparxei, pleon, h apofash toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy kai qa klhqoyn oi endiaferomenoi na ypobaloyn ta xartia toys, pia gia to texniko meros, giati to melos ths adeiodothshs exei oloklhrwqei. Hdh, ap o,ti gnwrizw, eimaste sto teliko stadio kai gia toys ypoloipoys radiofwnikoys staqmoys ths Aqhnas. Qelw na pisteyw oti poly syntoma kai se kaqe periptwsh, mesa sto amesws epomeno xroniko diasthma, qa exei oloklhrwqei h sxetikh diadikasia. Exoyme sxedon teleiwsei. Perimenw thn telikh apofash toy ESR, gia kapoia erwthmata poy eixa qesei kai meta qa yparjei h sxetikh ypoyrgikh apofash. Ara, poly syntoma qa exoyme oloklhrwsei to qema ths adeiodothshs twn radiofwnwn Aqhnas kai Qessalonikhs.

Oson afora tis thleoptikes adeies: Edw kai poly kairo exei arxisei to ESR, apo thn epoxh poy htan o prokatoxos moy edw, o opoios pragmati ekane mia poly shmantikh doyleia se ayton ton tomea, na ejetazei tis thleoptikes adeies eqnikhs embeleias. Gnwrizete oti yparxei mia diarkhs diadikasia ejetashs, kyriws toy ``poqen esxes'' ston tomea ayto, gi ayto kai den exoyme mexri twra thn eishghsh toy ESR. Exoyn zhthqei symplhrwmatika stoixeia, kat epanalhch. Einai ena lepto qema kai bebaiws, toys exoyme zhthsei kai na kanoyn swsta th doyleia toys -kai ektimw oti oi anqrwpoi thn kanoyn, to Symboylio thn kanei- apo thn allh pleyra, omws, prepei kai na thn kanoyme oso mporoyme pio grhgora. Bebaiws, nomizw oti qa kanoyn mia para poly kalh doyleia. Exoyme synexh kai kalh synergasia me to ESR. Molis teleiwsoyme me tis thleoptikes adeies eqnikhs embeleias kai efoson exoyme teleiwsei kai me toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys twn dyo megalwn polewn, ths prwteyoysas kai ths symprwteyoysas, qa proxwrhsoyme kai stis perifereiakes adeies. Stis men thleoptikes gia ta perifereiaka kanalia, stis de radiofwnikes gia tis poleis ths perifereias. Ypologizw oti entos toy 2002 qa yparjei plhrhs tajh sto radiothleoptiko topio, apo thn pleyra ths adeiodothshs.

Oson afora tis alles anagkaies parembaseis. Thn meqepomenh Pempth, qa erqei sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ena prosxedio nomoy gia thn efarmogh toy arqroy 14, par. 9 toy Syntagmatos gia thn prowqhsh toy asymbibastoy, metajy toy idiokthth radiothleoptikoy mesoy kai efhmeridas kai toy oikonomikoy paragonta poy exei synallages me to Dhmosio. Qa yparxei, loipon, asymbibasto ston tomea ayto. Qa prepei oloi na klhqoyn, efoson den qa plhroyn toys oroys toy nomoy, na kanoyn tis prosarmoges toys. Einai mia megalh qesmikh parembash. Katoxyrwnoyme, pleon, sthn Ellada -kai qa elega oti eimaste poly pio mprosta apo tis alles eyrwpaikes xwres- to asymbibasto metajy toy idiokthth radiothleoptikoy mesoy h kai efhmeridas kai ths epixeirhshs poy exei synallages kai oikonomikes sxeseis me to Dhmosio. Amesws, meta th sxetikh apofash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs qa yparjei ena xroniko diasthma, sto opoio qa ginei dialogos me oloys toys endiaferomenoys. Den protiqemai na aifnidiasw kanenan. Aytes einai kai oi kentrikes kateyqynseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa yparxei h dynatothta olwn twn endiaferomenwn forewn na ekfrasoyn thn apoch toys. To idio exw zhthsei kai apo ta politika kommata. Prepei na epishmanw, dystyxws, oti mexri stigmhs sxetikh proqymia se epistolh poy eixa steilei pros toys Arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn, exei ekfrasei mono to KKE, to opoio exei orisei gia sto sxetiko dialogo kai to stelexos toy, to k. A. Skylako. Den exoyn ekfrastei ta alla kommata. Yparxei de arnhtikh apanthsh apo th N.D., h opoia mas apanthse pws o,ti exei na pei, qa to pei sth Boylh. Par ola ayta qa yparxei o anagkaios xronos, mesa ston opoio qa ginei o sxetikos dialogos me oloys toys endiaferomenoys, gai na ekfrastoyn apoceis. Bebaiws, kai me ta politika kommata, efoson to epiqymoyn, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na fqasoyme sto kalytero dynato apotelesma.

Yparxei sto ypoyrgeio Typoy mia protash toy ESR, gyrw apo ta qemata deontologias, ena kwdika deontologias stis enhmerwtikes kai eidhseografikes ekpompes. Ayth einai mia kalh prospaqeia poy meletatai ayth th stigmh kai me bash ayth, qa jekinhsoyme ena dialogo, me th symmetoxh kai ths ESHEA, alla kai olwn twn endiaferomenwn, ston opoio qa mporei na symmetasxei opoiosdhpote exei apoceis. Qa yparxei anesh xronoy ston tomea ayto, prokeimenoy na diamorfwsoyme ena sygxrono, plhrh kai apotelesmatiko kwdika deontologias gia ta deltia eidhsewn kai tis eidhseografikes ekpompes. Eimaste anoiktoi sthn opoiadhpote protash poy mporei na symbalei, wste na exoyme ston tomea ths enhmerwshs poiothta. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno apo oloys mas. Qa dexqoyme oles tis apoceis. Einai enas dialogos poy prepei na parei eqnika xarakthristika, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme, safws, bebaiws, entos toy etoys.

Exw dexqei para polles eishghseis, graptes kai proforikes, gia to qema ths apagoreyshs twn metrhsewn sta deltia eidhsewn. Einai ena qema poy ejetazetai. Den mporoyme me bebaiothta, ayth th stigmh, na poyme ti akribws qa ginei, wstoso to ejetazoyme. Einai ena qema poy kai ayto qa exoyme th dynatothta na to syzhthsoyme me oloys toys endiaferomenoys. Einai ena qema, bebaiws, poy prepei na ejetastei, toso apo thn pleyra oysias, oso kai apo thn texnikh toy pleyra, wste otan kanoyme kati, na to kanoyme swsta. Omws, yparxei endiaferon. To ejetazoyme kai qa syzhthsoyme me oloys toys endiaferomenoys gyrw apo ayto. Qa prohghqei o anagkaios dialogos.

Aytes einai oi legomenes parembaseis poy proetoimazoyme kai blepete oti oles ginontai me idiaitera ypeyqyno kai apotelesmatiko tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto to Diatagma gia to asymbibasto, pote qa proxwrhsei; Giati basei toy Syntagmatos, toy kainoyrgioy, eprepe na eixe hdh ginei. Pote qa to proxwrhsete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eprepe na eixe hdh ekdoqei. Basei toy kainoyrgioy Syntagmatos exoyme akomh merikoys mhnes. Epomenws, qa exoyme thn eykairia, thn allh Pempth sthn K.E. na katalhjoyme sthn epishmh kybernhtikh protash. Den qa einai mono protash toy Ypoyrgeioy. Qa einai protash ths kybernhshs. Me bash thn protash ayth qa kanoyme gia kapoio syntomo xroniko diasthma ton anagkaio dialogo, dioti den qeloyme na aifnidiasoyme kanenan. Dioti qeloyme oi nomoi mas na einai staqeroi, diarkeis kai se baqos xronoy kai na epibaloyn koina apodektoys kai katanohtoys kanones diafaneias. Bebaiws, en synexeia, qa erqei sth Boylh. Olh ayth h diadikasia protassetai olwn twn allwn. Dhladh, h diadikasia chfishs toy nomoy gia to asymbibasto h gia to basiko metoxo, opws lene kapoioi alloi, protassetai olwn twn allwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, yparxei xronodiagramma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa teleiwsoyn poly prin apo to kalokairi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati eipate oti mesa sto 2002 qa doqoyn oi adeies, qa exei teleiwsei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mesa sto 2002 qa exoyn oloklhrwqei osa prepei na ylopoihqoyn sto radiothleoptiko topio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prepei omws na prohghqei ayto. An den jekaqarisei to topio me to qema toy asymbibastoy@ giati oi adeies gia ta kanalia, poy phgainoyn; Aytoi poy exoyn twra ta kanalia, oi perissoteroi exoyn sxesh me to Dhmosio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den empodizoyme kapoion na exei kanali.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan einai kai promhqeyths toy Dhmosioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den empodizoyme kapoion na exei kanali. Se ekeino poy mporei na dhmioyrghqei problhma kai poy einai to asymbibasto, einai oti qa prepei na epilejei h na exei symmetoxh, poy qa oristei to plaisio ths bebaia, sto radiothleoptiko Meso h thn efhmerida h na exei oikonomikh sxesh me to Dhmosio, na einai promhqeyths toy Dhmosioy. Qa yparjei o nomos, qa to doyme oloi kai qa exoyme kai th syntomh periodo prosarmoghs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos to apogeyma qa kanei dhlwseis gia tis prosfates ejelijeis. Oi ejelijeis aytes qa exoyn sxesh me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, me politiko, me politeiako h kai me toys agrotes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi syzhthseis poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos me ta melh toy E.G. mporei na epektaqoyn se ola ta qemata. Oi anafores toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa aforoyn ta zhthmata ths epikairothtas, ayta, dhladh, poy apasxolhsan prosfata ton ellhniko lao.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, ennoeite@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ennow ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Ennow gia ola osa asxolhqhkame oloi kai apasxolhsan ton ellhniko lao sto telos ths prohgoymenhs ebdomadas.

SOYGLERHS: Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh h fhmologia oti epikeitai kai neo "xtyphma" pros to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai an yparxoyn kapoies dikes sas ektimhseis, apo thn kybernhsh, giati ki eseis se thleoptikh sas emfanish afhsate kati tetoio na ennohqei. Einai etsi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti sto telos ths perasmenhs ebdomadas efqanan -ki efqanan kai se esas fantazomai- diafores plhrofories. Ekeino poy pisteyw einai pws htan tetoia h antidrash toy synoloy toy politikoy kosmoy ths xwras -kai qelw ayto na to xairetisw gia allh mia fora- kai tetoia h syneidhsh poy dhmioyrghqhke stoys Ellhnes polites ki ekfrasthke me thn oloqermh kai olocyxh symparastash ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias, poy oydeis qa tolmhsei na epanelqei se tetoia senaria.

MPOYATAR: Mia dieykrinish gia to asymbibasto: Den isxyei twra to asymbibasto; H ypoqesh Lamprakh - Travel Plan den apotelese ena qema asymbibastoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyei ews ena shmeio me to n.2328/95. O nomos, omws, aytos afora to radiothleoptiko tomea kai den exei epektaqei stis efhmerides. Einai to qema poy symplhrwnetai. Peran aytoy yparxoyn kai alla zhthmata poy aforoyn qemata poinwn, qemata diastayrwshs stoixeiwn. Qa teqei sxetiko erwthma gyrw apo to kaqestws twn symbasewn, opws kai alla paremferh qemata, ta opoia qa prepei na antimetwpistoyn me ayton to nomo. Me bash ta orizomena apo to nomo ayto, toy opoioy h symbolh htan idiaitera shmantikh se ayton ton tomea, epekteinetai ayto to asymbibasto. Qa katoxyrwqei to synolo twn kanonwn poy qa diepoyn ayth th leitoyrgia kai bebaiws qa problepontai kai oi sxetikes poines.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Epeidh sas akoysa to prwi poy kanate mia parembash se prwinh ekpomph radiofwnikoy staqmoy@

PRWTOPAPAS: Parenebhn dioti yphrje mia parejhghsh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Ti sas kanei toso aisiodojo na pisteyete oti mesa sto 2002 qa kleisei mia ekkremothta gyrw apo thn plhrh tajh sto radiothleoptiko pedio, h opoia yparxei edw kai 13 xronia. Kai mia deyterh erwthsh, na sxoliasete parakalw thn parembash toy k. Alebizatoy sthn idia ekpomph. Na shmeiwqei oti o k. Alebizatos htan o kaqhghths o opoios dhmioyrghse to plaisio ths idiwtikhs thleorashs kai radiofwnias sthn Ellada kai o opoios eipe oti oi kybernhseis sthn Ellada skopimws afhnoyn se ekkremothta ayto to zhthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na sxoliasw tis apoceis enos egkritoy episthmona, dioti pisteyw oti qa htan akomco na ginetai sxoliasmos apo to bhma toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy se episthmonikes apoceis. Ayto poy qelw na epishmanw einai oti sth diarkeia toy dialogoy poy qa yparjei, oles oi syneisfores einai apodektes. Ean kai egkritoi episthmones, alla kai anqrwpoi twn MME qeloyn na kataqesoyn tis apoceis toys -to lew kai dhmosia- h porta moy qa einai anoikth. Den diekdikoyme kanena alaqhto. Diapistwnoyme to problhma, opws to diapistwnei kai olos o ellhnikos laos. Qeloyme na qerapeysoyme to problhma. Qeloyme na yparxei poiothta sta MME kai idiaitera stis enhmerwtikes kai eidhseografikes ekpompes. Qeloyme na enhmerwnetai eleyqera, swsta, alla kai me poiothta o ellhnikos laos. Kai bebaiws qeloyme ena kanonismeno, orioqethmeno kai eyryqma leitoyrgon radiothleoptiko topio. Ean qeloyme ypeyqynh kai swsth enhmerwsh, tote nai, xreiazontai aytes oi parembaseis. To ti akribws qa periexoyn, qa to eishghqoyme. Kai bebaiws qeloyme th symbolh olwn, osoi qeloyn kai mporoyn na symbaloyn.

Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, ta pragmata den einai etsi. Qelw na parathrhsw oti toso o k. Benizelos, oso kai o k. Reppas exoyn proteinei kai h Boylh exei chfisei nomoys, alla kai oi idioi exoyn ypogracei ypoyrgikes apofaseis kai diatagmata kai exoyn efarmosei aytes tis apofaseis, wste na mporoyme na poyme oti exei dromologhqei mia diadikasia, h opoia mporei na odhghsei sto zhtoymeno apotelesma. Exoyme kalycei ena megalo meros aytoy toy dromoy, me oles tis dyskolies poy yphrjan kai menei se mas na oloklhrwsoyme kai na odhghsoyme sto apotelesma poy eixe prodiagrafei. H doyleia mas einai panta synexeia ths sobarhs prospaqeias poy exei kanei h kybernhsh apo to 1995 ston tomea ayto.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Shmera o k. Gryllakhs se synenteyjh poy exei dwsei ston "Adesmeyto Typo" kanei logo oti eixe epiteyxqei kapoia symfwnia, katopin entolhs toy k. Mhtsotakh gia koinh onomasia Slabomakedonia. Kai ayth telikws den epeteyxqh, ystera apo thn entonh antidrash toy Miltiadh Ebert. Qa hqela to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na to sxoliasw. Den ektimw oti xreiazetai na sxoliazw tetoies dhlwseis.

SOYGLERHS: Meta th xorhghsh twn adeiwn se ola ta radiothleoptika Mesa, kapoia radiofwna kai kapoies thleoraseis qa meinoyn ektos leitoyrgias. Eseis eiste eyaisqhtos anqrwpos, exete perasei apo to ypoyrgeio Ergasias, ti qa ginei me toys synadelfoys ergazomenoys se aytes tis epixeirhseis, mias kai h anergia sthn Ellada einai se megala ych. Qelw to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Katanow kai sebomai apolytws ayto poy lete. Sebomai thn agwnia sas, piqano na moy ekfrastei kai apo tis Enwseis. Qelw, omws, na pw oti oloi exoyme symfwnhsei oti prepei na yparxei ena kaqestws diafaneias kai nomimothtas kai mia kanonismenh katastash poy diepetai apo safh oria kai kanones. Prepei na exoyme, loipon ena kaqestws diafaneias, ena kaqestws poy na diepetai apo kanones, ena kaqestws sta MME poy na anagnwrizoyn oloi oti oi ennoies diafaneia, elegxos, dikaiosynh, poiothta einai ejasfalismenes. Ayto zhtame oloi. Ayto shmainei, omws, oti yparxoyn pantoy kai oria. Kai ta oria den einai monon texnikhs fysews. To ESR den krinei mono me bash ta texnika xarakthristika twn protasewn, krinei kai me bash thn plhrothta toy programmatos, krinei kai me bash to apasxoloymeno proswpiko kai to sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn toy, krinei kai me bash tis ependyseis poy exoyn ginei kai th dynatothta enos radiothleoptikoy Mesoy, kyriws, na antapokriqei stis ayjhmenes apaithseis toy antagwnismoy. Efoson symfwnhsame oloi -kai den yparxei anqrwpos sthn Ellada poy na mhn to leei- oti prepei na mpoyn kanones kai oria gia na exoyme swsth leitoyrgia ston eyaisqhto ayto tomea poy einai krisimos gia th dhmokratia mas. Qa prepei na anagnwrisoyme oloi oti ayto to qema prepei na thrhqei. Kai prepei na thrhqei me to opoio kostos gia oloys mas. Oyte se mena aresei ayto poy egine me ta radiofwna ths Qessalonikhs, apo opoy me phran para polloi thlefwno kai moy eipan oti einai adianohto na kleisoyn staqmoi, oti qa yparjoyn problhmata me toys ergazomenoys se ayta ta Mesa k.t.l.. Sebomai ola ayta, alla panw apo ola sebomai toys kanones poy ws dhmokratia apofasisame na epibaloyme, toys kanones toy sebasmoy toy koinoy kai ths koinwnias mas. Kai aytoi einai panw apo ola.

KYRIAKIDOY: Me thn Olympiakh ti apofasisate na kanete; Apofasisate na dwsete ayth thn paratash poy zhthse h Koinoprajia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na ejantlhsoyme oles tis dynatothtes gia mia sigoyrh lysh. To zhtoymeno gia mas sthn Olympiakh einai mia sigoyrh lysh. Mia lysh poy qa ejasfalisei th biwsimothta toy eqnikoy aerometaforea, xwris bebaiws o ellhnikos laos na kaleitai kaqe ligo kai ligaki na plhrwnei xreh. Den nomizw oti prepei na egklwbistoyme se stena xronika periqwria. Kai milame gia meres bebaiws. Einai safes oti prepei na ejantlhsoyme th dynatothta swsths ajiologhshs kai ths deyterhs prosforas meta thn prwth. Oles oi anagkaies diadikasies elegxontai. Qa enhmerwqeite analytika gi aytes, otan bgoyn ta telika porismata. Ekeino poy den qa kanoyme einai eite na katalhjoyme biastika kai na dhmioyrghqoyn laqh, eite na mh diasfalisoyme plhrws to mellon ths etaireias.

KYRIAKIDOY: Syggnwmh, alla tis diories eseis tis bazete. Dhladh, eseis eixate milhsei gia thn 31h Ianoyarioy kai oti th Deytera qa mas legate ti exei apofasistei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi diories aytes exoyn panta endeiktiko xarakthra. Ean ekkremei mia apanthsh apo thn opoia krinetai h telikh ajiologhsh ths prosforas gia ena toso sobaro qema, opws einai h poreia biwsimothtas toy eqnikoy mas aerometaforea kai kata synepeia xiliades oikogeneies, tote ki eseis eykola katanoeite thn krisimothta ths katastashs. Kaqysterhsh yparxei, prokeimenoy na ejetastoyn oles oi parametroi poy aforoyn to qema.

KYRIAKIDOY: Eseis qa toys perimenete gia oso xreiastei h qa dwsete kapoio neo xroniko periqwrio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi bebaiws. Ola ayta ginontai se poly mikro xroniko orizonta, orizonta kapoiwn hmerwn.

GARGALAKOS: Kai ta teleytaia gegonota, alla kai oxi monon, exoyn dhmioyrghsei ena skhniko reystothtas poy qa elege kaneis oti parapempei kai se kybernhtikh astaqeia. Prokeitai na parei h kybernhsh sas kapoies prwtoboylies, etsi wste na staqeropoihqei kai to politiko skhniko, alla kai h diakybernhsh ths xwras;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kamia astaqeia ths kybernhshs den yparxei kai oyte synqhkes genikoterhs abebaiothtas yparxoyn. O topos kybernatai ypeyqyna. H kybernhsh efarmozei to programma ths kai frontizei na antapokrinetai sta problhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy kai bebaiws opws apodeixqhke kai sthn prosfath istoria h dhmokratia exei toys mhxanismoys ths kai tis amynes ths gia na apanta se opoiondhpote apergazetai senaria. Yp` ayth thn ennoia prepei na proxwrhsoyme mprosta, proxwroyme mprosta, antapokrinomaste sta problhmata twn politwn. Mesa sthn ebdomada qa ginoyn shmantikes politikes parembaseis. Qelw na qymisw oti thn Tetarth qa yparjei h synanthsh gia to qema ths diafqoras. Epishs, thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Roymania, thn ef` olhs ths ylhs synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Yparxei mia seira apo ejelijeis poy deixnoyn oti antapokrinomaste sto ergo mas, oti antimetwpizoyme kai prowqoyme tis lyseis poy prepei sta problhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Apo olo ayto to qorybo poy dhmioyrghqhke prosfatws, mporeite na moy peite ean h kybernhsh exei diapistwsei kapoio adikhma poy syntelesthke apo to EXTRA h apo to sygkekrimeno dhmosiografo poy ebgale ayth thn plhroforia;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh, opws einai gnwsto, den diapistwnei adikhmata. Armodia gia na topoqethqei sto an stoixeioqetoyntai adikhmata h oxi einai h Dikaiosynh. Emeis labame mia epistolh apo ton Proedro toy ESR k. Lampridh, o opoios enhmerwse kai toys armodioys syntaktes poy kalyptoyn to radiothleoptiko reportaz. Den apokrycame thn epistolh. Ola ayta ginontai dhmosiws. To ESR mas zhthse me thn epistolh toy ayth, "@sas parakaloyme poly na diakocete th leitoyrgia toy thleoptikoy staqmoy EXTRA efoson den plhroi tis proypoqeseis poy orizei o nomos@" kai anaferetai kai stoys sxetikoys nomoys kai tis antistoixes diatajeis. Emeis qa leitoyrghsoyme qesmika se ola ayta ta zhthmata. Epeidh diabasa orismena dhmosieymata, qelw na jekaqarisw to ejhs: H kybernhsh apanthse politika, opws apanthse kai sysswmos o politikos kosmos. Apo ekei kai pera h kybernhsh den kanei oyte symchfismoys, oyte antekdikhseis. H leitoyrgia mas einai ejoxws qesmikh. Qa ejetasoyme osa anaferontai sthn epistolh toy ESR, sto plaisio twn nomwn kai twn kanonismwn poy diepoyn ta qemata ayta.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To ESR qewreite oti enoxlhqhke kai esteile ayto to gramma meta apo to gegonos; Giati den to estelne nwritera gia na plhroforhqei poio kaqestws diepei to EXTRA; Pws toy hrqe jafnika kai esteile ayto to gramma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw ta aitia poy prokalesan th syntajh ayths ths epistolhs. Bebaiws, gia na anakinhsoyn tetoio zhthma, shmainei oti exoyn to skeptiko toys.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epi ths oysias diepraxqh kapoio adikhma eite apo to dhmosiografo, eite apo to sygkekrimeno kanali; Ayto poy moy lete einai anejarthto, grafeiokratiko, diadikastiko.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai kaqoloy grafeiokratiko kai diadikastiko.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Gia to sygkekrimeno qema ypepese to kanali kai o dhmosiografos se kapoio atophma, se kapoio adikhma poy eprepe aytoboylws na kinhqei h diadikasia toy kratoys enantion toys me opoiodhpote organo toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai politikos kai se ayth thn aiqoysa sas milw ws Kybernhtiko Ekproswpos kai oxi ws genikos eisaggeleas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis me poio dikaiwma phrate kai dwsate entolh na stamathsei h ekpomph kai na logokrinete to periexomeno ayths ths ekpomphs; To idio ekane kai o k. Benizelos proxqes se mia allh synadelfo ths ERA. Exoyme symptwmata logokrisias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oydemia entolh edwsa se kanenan.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis to eipate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti thlefwnhsa ston idiokthth toy staqmoy apo ton opoio zhthsa na apofeyxqei mia aqliothta enantia sto proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Kai sygkekrimena toy zhthsa na sebomaste thn Ellada, opws oloi prepei na sebomaste kai toys qesmoys. Apo ekei kai pera zhthqhke kati, h allh pleyra apanthse oti den symfwnei. Mporei na diafwnoyme kai to deijame, alla ws apanthsh egine apodekth.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epi lejei eipate en anagkh na mh bgei h ekpomph.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti den prepei na yparjei mia ahqhs epiqesh se baros toy proswpoy toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, giati kati tetoio qa mporoyse na dhmioyrghsei idiaitera arnhtikes entypwseis kai oti qa katadikastei apo to synolo toy politikoy kosmoy. Apo ekei kai pera, efoson o k. Koyrhs kai o k. Karatzaferhs den dexqhkan, opws gnwrizete, oyte dikaiwma na dinw entoles exw, oyte entoles eprokeito na dwsw pote.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dhmioyrghsate, omws, mia katastash logokrisias. Ena aisqhma logokrisias, otan epembainete, me ayth thn ennoia@ Den einai qema proswpiko toy Koyrh h toy EXTRA. Ayth th stigmh yperaspizomaste to kaqhkon mas ws dhmosiografoi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ki egw to diko moy ws ekfrasths mias organwmenhs politeias. Dioti se telikh analysh oyte kaname parembash, oyte parqhke kapoio metro enantion kapoiwn. Eginan monon politikes epishmanseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, einai prolhptikh logokrisia, k. Ypoyrge.

PRWTOPAPAS: Politikh epishmansh shmainei oti opws eseis moy epishmainete kapoia zhthmata kai h porta moy einai anoikth pros ola ta MME, ta opoia mas kanoyn kata kairoys tis epishmanseis toys, etsi ki emeis kanoyme epishmanseis. Den yparxei logokrisia, otan epishmaineis politika tis synepeies mias prajhs, idiaitera otan den afora kommata kai proswpa, alla ejoxws ena qema poy afora toys qesmoys kai th leitoyrgia ths dhmokratias mas. Oyte gia ton eayto moy milhsa, oyte gia to komma moy. Egine mia syzhthsh poy aforoyse to sebasmo sto proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias apo mia ahqh epiqesh. Ejalloy, opws apodeixqhke htan kai ahqhs. Einai safes, oti prepei na analaboyn oloi tis eyqynes toys. Den dexomai oti askhsame logokrisia. Logokrisia qa htan an lambaname dioikhtika metra, kati poy opws gnwrizete den egine.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h eidhsh poy anakoinwqhke apo to kanali htan kakohqhs, ceydhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelete na thn krinoyme kai pali, dhladh zhtate na epanelqoyme sta gegonota ths prohgoymenhs Pempths kai na krinoyme ek neoy ayth thn energeia, thn opoia exei apodokimasei me ton pio entono tropo sysswmos o politikos kosmos ths xwras kai o ellhnikos laos;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai poia einai h timwria twn ypeyqynwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei kai h politikh katadikh. Kai kata th gnwmh moy h politikh katadikh apo olo ton poliko kosmo kai ton ellhniko lao einai h kalyterh apanthsh. Kai den xrhsimopoiw ton oro timwria, xrhsimopoiw ton oro politikh apanthsh. Yparxoyn kai politikes apanthseis. Den einai ola dioikhtika.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dhladh eseis aisqaneste ikanopoihmenos poy phrate kai kanate ayth thn parembash ths prolhptikhs logokrisias; Poy jerate ti qa metadoqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: To jerame oloi, mhn exete kamia amfibolia. To elegan apo to meshmeri oi idioi. Me eixan parei apo nwris to meshmeri toylaxiston deka synadelfoi sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Gi ayto lew prolhptikh logokrisia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prokeitai peri prolhptikhs logokrisias. Hdh to gnwrizan toylaxiston deka synadelfoi sas apo nwris. As mhn krybomaste pisw apo to daxtylo mas, epiteloys, se ayth th xwra. Na sas epishmanw oti kai h anaggelia poy ginotan apo to sygkekrimeno kanali efere ton titlo "@poy qa prokalesei ragdaies politikes ejelijeis kai anatropes". Gnwrizete poly kala oti epixeireito na dhmioyrghqei ena klima poy strefotan se baros twn qesmwn. To na epishmaineis politika tis synepeies ayths ths prajhs, oyte logokrisia apotelei, oyte parembash. Einai politikh epishmansh. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti se telikh analysh, opws moy eipe kai o k. Koyrhs, oyte kan aytos arnhqhke th diafwnia toy.

KOYIN: Hqela na sas kanw mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh gia prohgoymeno qema: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite giati yparxei ayth h kaqysterhsh sthn O.A. poy kollaei to qema ths pwlhshs ths;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai na deis ena xarti se mia prosfora. Qa prepei na zhtoyntai kai oi eggyhseis. Prepei na diasfaliseis th fereggyothta, thn oikonomikh apotelesmatikothta ths protashs, tis ependyseis. Ola ayta dhmioyrgoyn thn anagkh na zhthqoyn dieykriniseis, na katateqoyn xartia, na yparjoyn oi aparaithtes eggyhseis. Den qa kanoyme proxeirh doyleia. Mas endiaferei h sigoyrh lysh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw, yphrje eisaggelikos leitoyrgos, o opoios na zhthse apo thn kybernhsh na parembei h Dikaiosynh panw se ayto to qema, enantion toy dhmosiografoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Eida ena dhmosieyma, alla den exei ypopesei kati tetoio sthn antilhch moy. Oyte ki emeis zhthsame katastaltikh parembash, sas diabebaiwnw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den rwtaw gia sas. Rwtw ean yphrje eisaggelikos leitoyrgos poy na zhthse apo thn kybernhsh na parembei o idios gia na kinhsei th diadikasia enantion toy dhmosiografoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti den yphrje tetoio qema.

IWANNOY: To prwi, o prwhn boyleyths Iwanninwn ths N.D. Leyterhs Kalogiannhs apesteile mia epistolh ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias, me koinopoihsh stoys Arxhgoys olwn twn kommatwn kai ton Proedro ths Boylhs, me thn opoia zhta na paraithqei o k. Stefanopoylos apo to ajiwma toy, legontas xarakthristika oti h koinh gnwmh exei taytisei th shch kai th diafqora se ayth th xwra me th dikh toy Proedria. Pws to sxoliazete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Protimw na krathsw th synanthsh mas se ychlo epipedo kai na mhn pesoyme se aqliothtes.

FILHS: Toso kairo leitoyrgei o paranomos tzogos sthn Ellada, opws h idia h kybernhsh paradexqhke telikws. Epishs, apo to eggrafo toy ESR prokyptei oti kapoies paranomies yparxoyn stis leitoyrgies twn kanaliwn. Peste moy, poios einai o rolos ths kybernhshs; Na diapistwnei, katopin eorths, paranomies;

PRWTOPAPAS: Lypoymai, giati hrqate kaqysterhmena kai den akoysate tis prwtes apanthseis moy, oi opoies htan idiaitera makroskeleis kai pisteyw plhreis se sxesh me ayta ta zhthmata. En pash periptwsei, eipa oti sto men qema ths epistolhs toy ESR qa leitoyrghsoyme plhrws qesmika kai me bash ta problepomena apo to nomo, sto de qema toy, opws eipate, ``paranomoy tzogoy'', gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyme na antimetwpisoyme ena fainomeno, gia to opoio exoyn, hdh, ginei polla bhmata antimetwpishs toy. Ayto to fainomeno qa elega oti einai apo th gennhsh toy ellhnikoy kratoys. Opws jerete exoyn ginei polles prospaqeies antimetwpish toy kai exoyn systaqei eidikes yphresies. Omws, epeidh panta prepei na beltiwnoyme tis parembaseis mas, thn Tetarth qa ginei mia eidikh, ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo, syskech me th symmetoxh pollwn ypoyrgwn kai kommatikwn stelexwn, gia na ejetastei mia seira qematwn poy prokyptoyn, prokeimenoy na prokycoyn oi nees kinhseis mas ston tomea ayto. Kaqe fora mporoyme na kanoyme synexh bhmata, kaqe fora mporoyme na beltiwnoyme tis parembaseis mas, xwris ayto na shmainei oti den ginontan kai prin parembaseis.

FILHS: Protiqeste na anakoinwsete ean sas zhthqoyn stoixeia poy aforoyn toys xwroys leitoyrgias twn thleoptikwn staqmwn sth xwra mas;

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti exei adeiodothqei, bebaiws, einai kai anakoinwsimo. Kai oti einai pros adeiodothsh, molis moy to steilei to ESR, meta ton elegxo nomimothtas, epishs qa to anakoinwnoyme.

FILHS: Dhladh, eseis den gnwrizete, ana pasa stigmh, poioi katalambanoyn sth xwra mas paranomws syxnothtes; Oi syxnothtes einai dhmosia perioysia, den einai idiwtikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai ``ana pasa stigmh'', dioti den diaqetei to ypoyrgeio Typoy kai MME toys mhxanismoys gia na brei kati, to opoio kapoia stigmh ekdhlwnetai. Polles fores exw dei se efhmerides, kai exw antapokriqei amesws, kapoies sxetikes kataggelies. To armodio organo einai h Eqnikh Arxh Thlepikoinwniwn, opws jerete. Apo kei yparxei h dynatothta na ginontai oi sxetikoi elegxoi kai me ayth thn yphresia synennooymaste, prokeimenoy na kleisoyme tyxon leitoyrgies paranomwn syxnothtwn. To exw kanei, hdh, arketes fores kai bebaiws yparxei mia poly kalh synergasia me ayth thn anejarthth arxh.

FILHS: Gia to EXTRA eixate diapistwsei toso kairo an yparxoyn problhmata leitoyrgias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na to pw ayth th stigmh, ean den yparxei endelexhs ejetash toy fakeloy, symfwna me thn epistolh toy ESR. Den biazomai pote na pw kati, ean den exoyme tekmhriwmena ola ta stoixeia poy problepontai apo to nomo. Yparxei panta h efarmogh toy nomoy, den yparxei ayqairesia.

ARGYROS: Meta to qorybo poy exei jespasei gia ton paranomo tzogo, exei doqei apo thn kybernhsh entolh stis armodies yphresies na elegjoyn aytes tis aiqoyses me ta paranoma mhxanhmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: H entolh, opws jerete, htan monimh. Bebaiws, kaqe fora poy ginetai kati poy eyaisqhtopoiei to lao, ofeiloyme na antapokrinomaste akoma perissotero.

GARGALAKOS: Qa hqela mias dieykrinish: To ESR me thn epistolh toy zhthse, kata kapoio tropo, ektaktws na apomonwqei o fakelos enos thleoptikoy kanalioy kai na ejetastei. Eseis milhsate gia qesmikh apanthsh. Mhpws ayto shmainei oti den qa akoloyqhsete aytes tis ektaktes diadikasies, alla qa paei h ypoqesh toy EXTRA gia na ejetastei, mazi me toys fakeloys twn ypoloipwn kanaliwn h qa apomonwqei aytos o fakelos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn dyo zhthmata: Ena kanali mporei na mh kriqei oti dikaioytai adeia. To sygkekrimeno kanali den krinetai gia eqnikh adeia, krinetai gia perifereiakh.

GARGALAKOS: Eixate balei ena xronodiagramma, prohgoymenws;

PRWTOPAPAS: To sygkekrimeno kanali qa kriqei gia perifereiakh adeia. Me paraklhsh toy ESR pros ton prokatoxo moy Dhmhtrh Reppa, oi fakeloi den phgan sto ESR, krathqhkan sto Ypoyrgeio, alla oxi ayqairetws. Paraklhqhkame gia logoys texnikhs xrhsews apo to ESR, mexri na teleiwsei me ta radiofwna kai tis thleoraseis eqnikhs embeleias, na krathsoyme toys fakeloys twn perifereiakwn Meswn, sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy. Oi fakeloi aytoi briskontai sto ypoyrgeio Typoy. Mporei na yparxoyn kai staqmoi, oi opoioi den qa kriqoyn katallhloi gia adeiodothsh. Eipame, omws, oti otan jekinhse h efarmogh toy nomoy, osoi leitoyrgoysan nomima, na synexisoyn na leitoyrgoyn. Kai an krinei to ESR kai me ton elegxo nomimothtas poy qa kanei to ypoyrgeio Typoy, oti prepei na mhn paroyn adeia, tote qa klhqoyn na kleisoyn. Opws qa ginei sthn idia periptwsh me toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys ths Qessalonikhs h toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys ths Aqhnas otan teleiwsoyn. Omws, h epistolh toy ESR, den leei ayto. Leei, ``na ejetasete ean leitoyrgoyse, kat arxhn, nomima''. Dhladh, ean leitoyrgoyse nomima sthn enarjh twn diadikasiwn. Ayto einai ena qema poy den mporw na apanthsw ayth th stigmh kai oyte qa biastw na apanthsw. To olo qema qa ektimhqei apo thn ejetash toy fakeloy kai panta aysthra, mesa sto plaisio poy orizoyn oi nomoi. An ayth einai h anhsyxia sas, einai allo to qema ths politikhs diaforas me mia energeia poy egine kai allo to qema ths efarmoghs toy nomoy. Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata.

KOYIN: Enocei ths synanthshs ths Tetarths poy qa syzhthqei to qema ths diafqoras: To Sabbato, dhmosieyqhke mia dhmoskophsh, poy edeixne tis proqeseis twn Ellhnwn, oson afora to qema ths diafqoras. Pws to sxoliazete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti yparxoyn tetoies apoceis se poly megalo meros toy ellhnikoy laoy. Hdh, exoyme anagnwrisei oti yparxei h anagkh katapolemhshs ths diafqoras sto Dhmosio tomea. Bebaiws, h dhmoskophsh exei kai orismena shmeia sta opoia qa mporoyse kaneis na epishmanei oti einai adikh ayth h ekfrash gnwmhs. Gia paradeigma, sas anaferw, to ASEP. Mporei na pei kaneis oti yparxoyn kaqysterhseis, alla kaneis den mporei na isxyristei oti oi diagwnismoi toy ASEP den einai apolyta diafaneis kai apolyta swstoi. Katalabainete, loipon, oti polles fores, mesa apo ena aisqhma poy yparxei ston ellhniko lao, ginontai kai adikies se baros arxwn kai qesmwn poy leitoyrgoyn swsta. Den einai ola arnhtika sthn Ellada. Oyte ola leitoyrgoyn teleia. Alla, den mporoyme se kapoion poy leitoyrgei na mhn toy to anagnwrizoyme.

Sas eyxaristw.

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